IRC log of #novawebdev for Tuesday, 2017-07-18

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jelknerGood morning, dabmancer!08:42
jelknerWill you be coming to the PTO this Thursday?08:43
dabmancerYes.08:46
jelknerGreat. I look forward to talking to you there.08:53
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jelknerI just emailed you back, z0nny09:56
jelknerplease take care of Rick09:56
jelkneri can email you his phone number and you could give him a call09:57
jelkneri didn't think of that when i emailed you, but that would solve everything09:57
jelknerask him if he likes what you've done, tell him how many hours he will be billed for it, and ask him what he wants you to do next09:58
jelknerCan you do that?09:58
zOnnyOk jelkner10:01
jelknerLet me call him first.10:01
jelknerAnd ask if it is OK to give you his number.10:02
zOnnyOk.10:04
jelknerJust talked to Rick10:06
jelknerI will call him again at 4:30 pm when he returns from the doctor.10:07
jelknerSo we are fine for now, z0nny10:07
jelknerYou will be in Thursday morning, yes?10:07
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jelknerTomorrow is the field trip10:07
jelknerso we aren't here10:07
zOnnycourse!10:07
jelknercool10:07
jelknerc u thursday morning10:07
zOnnysee u Thursday Jeff.10:14
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replaceafillgood morning jelkner10:23
jelknergood morning replaceafill10:25
jelknercan we meet at 12 noon my time?10:25
jelkneri need to finish this edX course i'm taking this morning10:25
jelkner12 noon is lunch time for the PRIME interns10:25
jelknerso it will be a good time for me to do a hangout10:26
replaceafilljelkner, ah ok10:26
replaceafilljelkner, see you then10:26
jelknergreat!10:26
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ubuntouristjelkner, are we meeting either tomorrow and/or Sunday?12:03
jelknernot tomorrow12:03
jelkneri am taking the PRIMEs on a field trip12:03
jelknerbut sunday i can12:03
jelknerand would like to12:04
jelknershould we say 10 ?12:04
jelkneror can i drag you in at 9? ;-)12:04
jelknerreplaceafill12:04
jelknerjust put on my headset12:04
ubuntouristCan we split the differnce and say 9:30? ;-)12:05
jelknerdone!12:05
replaceafilljelkner, ready12:05
ubuntouristjelkner, As luck would have it, at 4:30 Sunday, Capital Fringe Festival has scheduled a new rock opera... to be performed at Gallaudet (with audible music).12:06
jelknerthen why aren't you answering?12:06
jelknerperfect, i need to leave at that time12:07
jelknerreplaceafill, do you know when mr_german will appear today?13:05
replaceafilljelkner, not really13:06
replaceafilljelkner, i can call him if you want13:06
jelkneri have two prime interns ready to work with him on helios13:06
jelkneryes, please13:06
replaceafilljelkner, no answer13:09
replaceafilljelkner, you should tell mr_german explicitly at what time you need him online (if you haven't)13:09
replaceafilljelkner, i'll talk to him about it too13:10
jelkneri understand, replaceafill, but in this case, i asked him to work with ericsaenz on helios13:10
jelknerit is up to them to arrange the time13:10
jelknerwe have a real good opportunity with ericsaenz here13:11
replaceafilljelkner, i think we should come up with a specific plan13:12
jelknereric is doing that13:12
replaceafilljelkner, instead of just asking them "work on helios"13:12
jelknerhe likes to write!13:12
replaceafilljelkner, nice :)13:12
jelknercheck this out: http://ericsaenzprime.blogspot.com/13:12
jelknerso ericsaenz is willing to start documenting how to use helios13:12
jelkneri told him i would like him and mr_german (using the 6 of us here + mr_german as testers) to run and document a series of election experiments13:13
replaceafillericsaenz, you have admin privileges to helios, correct?13:14
ericsaenzyes replaceafill 13:14
replaceafillericsaenz, do you need anything else to start the "election experiments"13:15
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replaceafilljelkner, if you check http://helios.novawebdevelopment.com/ and try any election you'll see mr_german css work on helios13:16
replaceafilljelkner, maybe you won't notice if you haven't seen the "bare bones" version :)13:16
replaceafillericsaenz, nice work on the google doc13:18
ericsaenzreplaceafill, i don't think so, but German knows a lot more about Helios than i do so he would be a huge help13:18
ericsaenzreplaceafill, thanks13:18
replaceafillericsaenz, sure i understand13:18
replaceafillericsaenz, anything specific you want to know, i don't know as much helios as mr_german but it's worth the shot :)13:19
ericsaenzreplaceafill, do you know what the difference between absolute/relative result type is?13:20
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replaceafillericsaenz, not exactly, but i found this when i had the same question: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/helios-voting/wHeN2mnyxig/CXhEhD31qb0J13:23
replaceafillericsaenz, and that takes you to this (which you may have seen already): http://documentation.heliosvoting.org/verification-specs/helios-v3-verification-specs13:24
replaceafillericsaenz, this is exactly what i had in mind about that (from the same email thread): "You mean whether I need 50% of the votes or 15 votes to win? Maybe I 13:25
replaceafillshould complete my mock election and it will become clearer... "13:25
replaceafill:)13:25
ericsaenzthanks replaceafill 13:26
jelknerreplaceafill, the one thing we didn't talk about was glenda's email13:43
jelknerwho knows, now that we're becoming php developers, perhaps we can help Cory with his idea ;-)13:43
jelkneri'll take care of this13:43
jelknerbasically, i'll tell her not much we can do (pun intended ;-) about this now13:44
replaceafilljelkner, right13:46
jelkneremail sent13:53
jelknerlook ok, replaceafill?14:02
replaceafilljelkner, yes14:02
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mr_germanhello jelkner 14:21
ericsaenzmr_german, he is on the phone right now14:21
mr_germanoh ok14:23
jelknermr_german and ericsaenz, you two need to talk to each other, not to me14:41
mr_germanoh oka14:41
mr_germanwhat do you need ericsaenz ?14:41
ericsaenzmr_german, do you have any idea why "user" shows up instead of a google name in public elections?14:43
mr_germanoh you should ask that to replaceafill 14:44
replaceafilli'm about to leave14:44
replaceafillericsaenz, that's something i had to hack14:44
replaceafillericsaenz, that's supposed to be your gmail display name14:45
replaceafillericsaenz, but for some reason it's not working in the server14:45
ericsaenzi see14:45
replaceafillACTION goes to pick his daughter, bb in ~1h14:46
mr_germanericsaenz, anything else ?14:47
mr_germanquestions?14:47
ericsaenzmr_german, is there any reason why there's an error every time an election is created?14:51
ericsaenzmr_german, even though I can still access the election just not directly from the 'create an election' page14:51
mr_germanericsaenz, good question14:52
ericsaenzmr_german, adding Helios as a trustee is broken as well14:53
mr_germanericsaenz, I haven't seen that problem14:54
mr_germanericsaenz, we should talk with replaceafill about those problems14:56
ericsaenzmr_german, ok14:57
ericsaenzmr_german, by the way, i'm working on documenting how to use Helios14:57
mr_germanericsaenz, oh good14:57
ericsaenzmr_german, here is the link if you're interested https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hiGP8tRGXHVu6DmnlfVKjIGxE-cPzGOuG3FhQrVj7fQ/edit14:57
mr_germanericsaenz, this is great!!14:58
ericsaenzmr_german, thanks14:59
mr_germanericsaenz, actually you have everything here15:04
mr_germanericsaenz, I don't know what you need from me :D?15:04
mr_germanif you have everything15:05
ericsaenzmr_german, i was mostly stuck on errors15:06
ericsaenzmr_german, which i will talk to replaceafill about15:06
mr_germanericsaenz, yeah..15:07
mr_germanericsaenz, good job!15:07
ericsaenzmr_german, thanks15:07
jelknerubuntourist, r u here?15:08
ubuntouristjelkner, Ja.15:08
jelknerreplaceafill was asking me about our relationship with the CiviCRM support company in DC.15:09
jelknerWhich i believe sanjay is connected with, yes?15:09
ubuntouristSanjay.15:09
jelkner??15:09
jelkneri'm confused15:10
jelkner(story of my life)15:10
ubuntouristSanjay is my connection. We became friends when he sent out mail proposing an Ubuntu computer clinic at the Cleveland Park Library and I joined him in supporting it.15:10
jelknerYes, that's what i said15:11
jelknersanjay15:11
ubuntouristHe later began working for Andrew Hunt of AGH -- the CiviCRM support company.15:11
jelknerso when you repeated his name, i was confused15:11
jelknerso, replaceafill is saying we need to reach out to them now15:11
jelknerthat we are getting into the same business15:11
jelkneri told him i would talk to you about it on sunday15:12
jelknerbut i thought i'd bring it up now15:12
ubuntourist(I was responding to your first statement, thinking I'd get a word in before your second, where you mentioned sanjay.)15:12
jelknerok15:12
jelknergot it15:13
jelknerso i'm not confused, how nice! ;-)15:13
jelknerwe should try to grab a bite with him again15:13
jelknerlike we did before15:13
jelknerlast time i told him we weren't ready to join them15:14
ubuntouristI've met Andrew twice, and he might recognize me, but we haven't spoken much. That said, he seems reasonably passionate about open source, non-profits, and good causes.15:14
jelknernow we can say "we are in!"15:14
jelkneranyway, please keep it on your radar to arrange something when the opportunity arises15:14
ubuntouristOK, I'll reach out.  Would you be willing to come in for a dinner? (I doubt that weekends are available, and I assume you're NOT free for lunches in the city.)15:15
mr_germanjelkner, Should I close the election that I sent a few days ago?15:15
mr_germanto see how many votes we got15:16
jelknersure15:16
jelkneri voted15:16
mr_germanoka15:16
jelknerdon't know who else did15:16
jelknerthat's why we should take advantage of the 6 of us here15:16
jelknerwhile we have the opportunity15:16
jelknerwe can get all 6 of us to vote on thursday at the same time15:17
jelknerand run experiments quickly15:17
replaceafillACTION is back15:37
replaceafillmr_german, i can have a look at errors tomorrow15:37
mr_germanreplaceafill, oka15:37
replaceafillmr_german, but i'll need to know what to look at specifically15:37
replaceafillmr_german, so create a list of things that produce errors15:38
replaceafillmr_german, and steps to reproduce15:38
replaceafillmr_german, ok?15:38
replaceafillmr_german, in case you're not around to ask you...15:38
mr_germanok!15:38
replaceafillmr_german, and please include the "User" issue15:39
replaceafillmr_german, so i don't forget about it15:39
mr_germanreplaceafill, noted15:39
replaceafillmr_german, btw, the css work looks nice15:39
replaceafillmr_german, please create a fork of helios in the nova organization in github15:40
replaceafillmr_german, and push your changes to a branch there15:40
replaceafillmr_german, ok?15:40
replaceafillmr_german, i don't want to get lost15:40
mr_germanreplaceafill, do we have a repository for helios?15:41
replaceafillmr_german, no, fork it15:41
replaceafillmr_german, using the novawebdevelopment organization15:41
replaceafillmr_german, not your account15:41
mr_germanACTION is confused15:41
mr_germanreplaceafill, I am a little bit confused..15:43
replaceafillmr_german, you already said that...15:44
replaceafillmr_german, knowing why you are confused would help...15:44
mr_german" please create a fork of helios in the nova organization in github"15:44
replaceafillmr_german, go to the helios repo...15:45
replaceafillmr_german, click the fork button at the top right...15:45
replaceafillmr_german, when asked under which account create the fork, reply novawebdevelopment...15:45
replaceafillmr_german, ...15:45
replaceafillmr_german, still confused?15:46
mr_germanI cant  replaceafill it says "You don’t have permission to fork to these organizations:"15:46
mr_germanI do not have permission to do that15:46
replaceafillmr_german, ok... fork it to your account then15:47
mr_germank15:47
replaceafillmr_german, you're probably not admin in the novawebdev org15:47
mr_germandone.15:47
replaceafillmr_german, but we can take care of that later15:47
replaceafillmr_german, the important part here is that your changes should be stored in a branch15:47
mr_germanOk I'll push my changes.15:47
replaceafillmr_german, thanks15:48
jelknerericsaenz and mr_german, can you two please arrange a schedule for thursday?15:52
ericsaenzmr_german, when would you say would be a good time to have an election going on thursday?15:55
mr_germanericsaenz, 12:30 works for you?15:56
ericsaenzmr_german, your time or my time?15:56
mr_germanericsaenz, mm your time.15:57
ericsaenzi will be at lunch at 12:30, how about at 1:00 or 1:30? mr_german 15:59
mr_germanericsaenz, your time?16:00
mr_german1:30 works for me16:00
ericsaenzmr_german, okay 16:01
mr_germanreplaceafill, you main email is douglascerna@yahoo.com right?16:15
mr_germanyour*16:15
replaceafillmr_german, yes16:15
mr_germanreplaceafill, thx16:15
mr_germanericsaenz, can you give me your email again please16:23
ericsaenzmr_german, ecsnz3@gmail.com16:28
mr_germanthx16:29
mr_germanACTION goes out for 20 mins16:55
jelknerACTION heads home. c u @ 7pm17:10
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mr_germanACTION is back17:55
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mr_germanwelcome back jelkner 18:47
mr_german;)18:47
louisea!remind <Discuss progress on developing business providing support for CiviCRM and looking for clients to promote CiviCRM to>18:51
louisea!remind<Discuss progress on developing business providing support for CiviCRM and looking for clients to promote CiviCRM to>18:52
jelknerlouisea, the <..> aren't needed18:52
louiseawell, as soon as anyone who can help me with this remindbot thing is here18:52
louiseaokay! thanks jelkner18:52
jelknerit is just !remind18:53
jelknerfollowed by the message you want18:53
louiseaand when I type it in how does it know when to show itself?18:53
jelkner!remind Show louisea how to use remind bot ;-)18:53
louisea!remind<Discuss progress on developing business providing support for CiviCRM and looking for clients to promote CiviCRM to18:53
louisea!remind Discuss progress on developing business providing support for CiviCRM and looking for clients to promote CiviCRM to18:53
louisea!remind and no space?18:53
jelkneryes, space18:54
jelknerno brackets18:54
louiseathen the second to last one should have worked, no?18:54
jelknerlet's see18:54
jelknerat 7 pm, we should see it18:54
louiseano, the last one I mean18:54
louiseaokay18:54
jelknerany second now18:59
Big_Brotherjelkner Answer question ignored at 15:15:52 today (You like IRC. Check logs.)19:00
Big_Brotherand no space?19:00
louiseayup, looks like I got it.19:00
replaceafillhello everybody19:00
jelknergood evening!19:00
louiseahello!19:00
jelkneryou da man, louisea, we're all waiting for you19:01
louiseaalright. So tonight we will mostly be hearing for progress from jelkner19:02
jelkneri can be real brief19:02
louiseaon how it's going taking out the loan19:02
jelknerwe have what i believe to be a solid business plan19:02
jelkneri'm going to the credit union tomorrow to ask for a $40K loan19:03
jelknerthat is enough to keep replaceafill working full time beginning aug. 119:03
jelknerand louisea working 30 hours per week beginning sept 119:03
louiseasounds good!19:04
jelknerreplaceafill will dive right in learning civicrm and creating a robust instance for nea4or19:04
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jelknerwith the confidence from doing that, and louisea to hit the streets for us19:05
jelknerwe will look for paying customers19:05
jelknerbtw. we received our first payment for work z0nny is doing19:05
jelknercongrats, z0nny!19:05
replaceafill awesome zOnny19:06
louiseacongratulations!19:06
jelknerand thanks to ubuntourist for bringing us that customer19:06
zOnnythanks19:06
jelknerthe only other thing i have to add is that i have a plan b, should the bank not be forthcoming19:06
jelknerso i do believe we will be able to obtain the funds to launch19:07
ubuntouriststreetwalking? ;-)19:07
jelknerlol19:07
jelknermore or less19:07
replaceafill:D19:07
ubuntouristI thought that was Flint's gig. ;-)19:07
jelkneronce the funds are in the bank19:07
jelknerwe need to setup louisea to be able to manage them19:07
jelkneri will bring that up with the credit union tomorrow as well19:08
jelknerby next week, i should have this figured out19:08
jelknerjust in time for replaceafill to start!19:08
jelknerthat's all i have19:08
ubuntouristMe.19:09
jelknerlouisea, any word from Rena?19:09
louiseaI spoke with Rena yesterday about the BCCC website19:09
jelkneri need to call her19:09
ubuntouristI'm finally starting to see a brief light at the end of the Sound Advice tunnel, before entering the next one.19:09
jelknershe should be encouraged to attend our 7 pm tuesday meetings19:09
louiseashe's almost completed with it and we'll be ready to show them19:09
jelknercool19:10
jelknergreat news, ubuntourist!19:10
ubuntouristSo, I hope to install CiviCRM shortly and see what I can pick up.19:10
jelknerthat will be wonderful!19:10
replaceafilldo you guys think that having a testing civicrm instance would be helpful?19:11
replaceafilleven if it's not "production" ready19:11
ubuntouristAs for NHA (National Hospital Associates), this is probably a good Flask task, yes?19:11
ubuntouristreplaceafill, what's the downside? It seems like a good idea to me.19:11
replaceafillubuntourist, cool, i'll set that up19:12
replaceafilli think we need something to mess up with19:13
ubuntouristAbso-tively, posi-lutely!19:13
ubuntouristSpeaking of Sound Advice...19:14
ubuntourist...still some rough edges on Marco's stuff but my code is now dependent on his latest work.19:15
ubuntouristThe JSON files he produces are stable enough to use as configuration files for my code.19:16
ubuntouristI guess that's all from me at the moment.19:18
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louiseaokay, well then that wraps us up for tonight19:18
louiseaglad to hear news from everyone. 19:19
jelknercomcast dropped me19:19
louiseaanything to add?19:19
mr_germanI have something to report19:19
jelknerACTION will look at the logs19:19
mr_germanWell, here I have what you requested the last week jelkner 19:19
mr_germanhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1sIO5zIXmQDn9CeSoSZtfIR1U5s1d32zvlSXcBSy_xEA/edit19:19
replaceafillmr_german, i think i was the one who requested that19:20
mr_germanoh19:20
jelkneryes, for vote testing, yes?19:20
replaceafilland you should make it private btw19:20
mr_germanye19:20
jelknerwe can test on thursday with the primes19:21
ubuntouristSo... no one's using the official @novawebdevelopment.org addresses except me?19:21
mr_germansounds good19:21
replaceafilldsmall email should be in the logs mr_german19:21
replaceafilltry to add it there19:21
mr_germank replaceafill 19:21
jelknerthursday at 1:30 pm19:21
jelkneryou and eric are scheduled to test19:22
mr_germanyep19:22
replaceafillubuntourist, i have it set up, but i don't use it19:22
jelkneri have it setup too19:22
jelknerand i will start using19:22
jelknerit19:22
jelkneronce we have customers to use it with19:22
ubuntourist(I just thought it looked more professional to communicate with it, and am trying to get in the habit.)19:22
replaceafillyes, that's my thinking too19:22
replaceafill(once we get customers)19:23
ubuntouristWe have customers. Gallaudet, NHA...19:23
replaceafillcustomers who i need to communicate with :P19:24
ubuntouristreplaceafill ;-)19:24
mr_germanreplaceafill, I already forked helios repository to my account with my changes19:25
replaceafillmr_german, cool, thanks19:25
mr_germanhttps://github.com/gfbot/helios-server19:25
mr_germanthat's all from me.19:28
mr_germanACTION done19:28
louiseaokay. so I think that's it for tonight19:29
louiseaany final comments?19:29
ubuntouristI have a feeling jelkner is gone again ;-)19:29
ubuntouristNothing from this quarter.19:29
louiseaubuntourist: seems like it19:29
replaceafilli think we're done19:29
louiseawell it's 7:30. Thanks for meeting everyone.19:30
louiseaUntil next week!19:30
replaceafillthanks everybody19:30
mr_germanthx guys!19:30
ubuntouristTa-ta.19:30
louiseaACTION drops the bag of gravel19:30
replaceafillawesome!19:30
replaceafill:)19:30

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