IRC log of #novawebdev for Tuesday, 2017-09-12

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jelknerGood morning, replaceafill!10:37
jelknerDo you have a moment?10:38
replaceafillgood morning jelkner10:38
replaceafilljelkner, yes10:38
jelknerTwo things, one little, one big10:38
jelknerfirst the little one10:38
jelknerdid you see the email about YHSSL?10:38
replaceafilljelkner, yes10:38
replaceafilljelkner, i think it'll take 1-2 hours top10:39
jelknerCan you do that and tell me how much to bill?10:39
jelknerPlease ;-)10:39
replaceafilljelkner, i'd like to update that doc i told you about10:39
replaceafilljelkner, will do10:39
jelknerNow the bigger one.10:40
jelknerI think we (and by "we" in this case I probably mean me) should email Action Network and ask them to free their software10:40
jelknerI am assuming they will say no, of course, but it would be wrong of us not to ask10:41
jelknerand if they did say yes, it would dramatically alter our plans10:41
replaceafilljelkner, indeed10:41
replaceafilljelkner, i don't see any problem asking10:41
jelknerthe way i see it, it is an obligation10:42
jelknerwe would not be true to our beliefs if we didn't ask10:42
replaceafilljelkner, i see your point10:42
replaceafilljelkner, true10:42
jelknerok, i'll do that10:42
replaceafilljelkner, +1 on me :)10:42
replaceafilljelkner, i'll set up the log in an hour or so10:43
replaceafillACTION is finishing breakfast :)10:43
jelknerok, i'll leave you be10:43
jelknertonight is our big meeting10:43
replaceafillthanks jelkner10:43
replaceafillah yes10:43
jelknerlater gater10:43
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jelknermr_german, you are doing Lee Carter's website, yes?12:40
mr_germanjelkner, yes12:40
jelknerCool, I just got an email from Lee's new campaign manager.  I will respond by introducing you and cc'ing lelkneralfaro12:41
mr_germanjelkner, yesterday, I was working on Elizabeth's site12:41
mr_germanjelkner, ok12:42
jelknermr_german, i have another request12:43
replaceafilljelkner, email sent to Mary Ann and Shari12:43
replaceafilljelkner, updated doc:
jelknerthnx, replaceafill12:43
mr_germanjelkner, shoot!12:43
jelknermr_german, you should create a "professional email" for yourself12:43
jelknerideally one that has
mr_germanjelkner, I was talking about that with replaceafill 12:44
replaceafilland jelkner brought up mr_german's elephant in the room12:44
jelkneri make my student's do that12:44
jelkneri tell them that it is perfectly fine to be coolguy or monster or killer or hacker when emailing friends12:45
replaceafilli've been telling mr_german it's going to be painful (since he has some data in his current email), but it's a one time process12:45
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jelknerbut it is not good as a "professional" email12:45
jelkneri make my students get a professional email12:45
jelknerand insist that they use it when emailing me12:45
jelknerit is my duty as a teacher to get them ready for the adult world12:46
replaceafillmr_german, i think you could get away with a redirect if you set your tools right12:46
jelkneror just use two12:46
jelknerone for friends, one for business12:46
mr_germanjelkner, oka12:46
jelkneri have one i use for my revolutionary politics stuff12:47
mr_germani'll create a new one12:47
replaceafillgerm4nm0nster for friends, and germ4nm0nster.serious for business!12:47
jelkneri don't want my boss looking over my shoulder at work12:47
jelkneryou're bad, replaceafill12:47
jelknertry to make it your name12:47
jelknerlet me tell you another good reason for doing that12:47
jelkneras long as we have known each other, i don't know your name12:48
jelknerare you German Cerna12:48
jelknerGerman Fernando12:48
jelkneror what?12:48
replaceafillmr_german, is like Prince, or Cher ;)12:48 ?12:48
replaceafillACTION shuts up...12:48
jelkneris your last name fernando?12:48
mr_germanoh no12:48
mr_germanmy bad12:48
jelknerwhat is your official last name12:49
jelknerthe one louis is going to use when we fill out the paper work to make you an owner of our coop?12:49
mr_germangerman tejada12:50
jelkneri'll tell you what, mr_german, i'll give you some time to think about what you want to do12:52
jelknerand let you talk to your uncle12:53
jelkneri'll just use your monster email for now12:53
mr_germanjelkner, ok12:53
jelknerbut in the long run, it really needs to be replaced12:53
jelknerso think about that, and let me know what you decide to do when you are ready12:53
mr_germanjelkner, I'll let you know today at night12:54
mr_germanin the meeting12:54
jelknermr_german, just email me from your new address once you decide on it12:56
jelknermr_german, replaceafill, do you all have another minute?13:00
replaceafilljelkner, yes13:00
jelknermr_german, r u here?13:00
jelkneri just got an email from alysha asking for changes to the website13:00
jelknerthey are not the kind of customer that is going to have money to pay us13:01
jelkneras a member, i was hoping to be able to handle that myself13:01
mr_germanjelkner, yes13:01
jelknerbut that would be *much* easier for me if we made it a php site13:02
mr_germanjelkner, AEA right?13:02
replaceafilljelkner, how would that be easier?13:02
replaceafilljelkner, just curious13:02
jelknersame story13:02
jelkneri can make changes on my local machine, push them to the server, and be done with it13:02
jelkneri could use scp13:03
jelknerif i wanted13:03
jelkneri don't need to look up how to restart the server13:03
jelkner(which i always forget)13:03
replaceafilljelkner, but if you change/add a php file you need to restart the server, right?13:03
jelkneryou don't13:04
jelknerphp works like cgi13:04
replaceafilljelkner, ah ok13:04
jelkneranyway, i'm going to just send this to mr_german now13:04
jelknerbut i'm thinking z0nny and i could make porting it to the new platform a project13:05
replaceafilljelkner, you're proposing to use the same workflow we set up for if i understand you correctly13:05
jelknersuper fast and super easy for me13:05
replaceafillsince we already have a model, i don't think it'd be complicated13:05
replaceafillright mr_german?13:05
replaceafill(i mean to set up)13:06
mr_germanyep jelkner 13:06
jelkneri'm just looking for your OK in principle13:06
jelknerz0nny and i can work on it in class13:06
jelknerand come back to you when we are ready13:06
jelknerfor now, we keep the same real site13:06
zOnnyit would be cool!13:06
mr_germanjelkner, sounds good to me 13:06
jelknerand i keep sending mr_german the emails with changes13:07
replaceafillACTION agrees13:07
jelknermr_german, email forwarded13:23
jelknerlet me know if you need anything else13:24
mr_germanjelkner, sure, thx13:24
jelknerthank you!  now we need to talk with lelkneralfaro this evening about the process of getting you paid13:26
jelknerreplaceafill is still handling that now13:26
jelknerbut we need to work out an accounting system where replaceafill gets paid too!13:27
jelknerand we want lelkneralfaro, not me, to be in charge of that13:27
jelkner!remind Talk about accounting and payments13:27
jelkner!reminder Talk about accounting and payments13:27
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jelknerhmmm, Big_Brother doesn't seem to be working13:28
replaceafilljelkner, i think the remind bot is not running13:28
replaceafilljelkner, Big_Brother is for logging?13:28
jelkneri thought mjsir911 rolled them both together13:28
jelknerthat's what he told me13:28
jelkneri'll ask him when he returns13:29
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jelknerACTION heads toward home to return before our 7 pm meeting15:42
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Big_BrotherTalk about accounting and payments19:00
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ubuntouristACTION is currently preparing (a little) for the HacDC monthly member meeting, since he's a board member...19:02
lelkneralfarohello everyone!19:02
replaceafillgood afternoon/evening19:02
lelkneralfaroI'm speaking with jelkner now. He's having some problems connecting to Hexchat19:03
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lelkneralfarohe'll keep trying but we may miss him.19:03
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ubuntouristrehi Rena_19:03
Rena_rehi ub19:03
lelkneralfarobut we'll go ahead and fill him in afterwards19:03
lelkneralfaroso let's jump in. is there anyone who would like to begin with their weekly update? 19:04
ubuntouristI'll go.19:04
ubuntouristAs before, Oslo conference rapidly approaching, and we want to beta test before that. (Oslo is October 11 - 14.)19:05
ubuntourist(Beta test Sound Advice stuff.)19:05
ubuntouristI'll be meeting with mjsir911 tomorrow and with a LOT of luck, helping him finish19:05
ubuntouristhis part in it.19:06
ubuntouristMeanwhile, because of the platform-coop mailing list, I've found a co-op in Oslo, and will be meeting with one of their folks.19:06
ubuntouristHe says they might have work for NOVA Web Development. We shall see.19:06
ubuntouristThat's it for me.19:06
lelkneralfarosounds good. I hope you have a good time in Oslo and I look forward to hearing back about your meeting19:07
lelkneralfaroRena_: want to give a quick update on the Barbara Chambers project?19:07
Rena_I got a gogodaddy account from them today. They want to publish the unfinished site asap because their current site is hacked19:08
Rena_I will be working on that after class today19:09
lelkneralfarogreat. that'll be a solid step forward.19:09
lelkneralfarohave they provided any new feedback? and did you send them the invoice?19:09
Rena_They have not provided new feedback19:10
lelkneralfaroyes, I think they haven't been contributing much energy to further developments of the site19:11
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ubuntouristHey zOnny19:12
lelkneralfarohi zOnny19:12
lelkneralfaroRena_: and the invoice?19:12
lelkneralfaroperhaps we lost Rena_19:13
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Rena__Sorry my connection dropped19:13
lelkneralfarowelcome back Rena_ and welcome jelkner19:13
lelkneralfarono problem, I was just asking about the invoice19:13
jelknerfinally made it on the channel19:13
jelknerhi all19:13
lelkneralfarookay, now we're losing people left and right haha19:15
Rena__Am I still connected?19:15
ubuntouristYou appear to be Rena_19:15
lelkneralfaroRena_ yes we received that message19:15
Rena__Said I dropped again19:15
lelkneralfaroRena_ did you send them the invoice?19:15
jelknerlelkneralfaro, all invoices should come through you19:16
Rena__Not yet, thought you had. Will send with my report tonight19:16
jelknerRena__, you're right19:16
jelknerwe need to get a handle on our accounting19:17
jelknerand that can only happen if it all comes through one work flow19:17
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jelknerdevelopers should send invoices (or some other way of reporting?) to lelkneralfaro19:17
jelknerwho sends them to the customer19:17
ubuntouristjelkner, I will switch to that then.19:18
lelkneralfarookay, I will be happy to do that from now on. and I can take in on the Barbara Chambers one as well. 19:18
jelknerin fact, ubuntourist, you and lelkneralfaro should be meeting with gallaudet together to renew our contract19:19
Rena__Have to go to class19:19
lelkneralfaroby Rena__ talk to you later19:19
jelknerenjoy your class, Rena__19:19
Rena__Signing out19:19
ubuntouristI forgot to mention that: Gallaudet is on the federal fiscal calendar: October 1 - September 30.19:20
lelkneralfarois there a date set up for a Gallaudet meeting already?19:20
ubuntouristlelkneralfaro, nay. 19:20
lelkneralfaroand the contract expires at the end of the fiscal year19:20
ubuntouristlast year they sent a contract to jelkner and he signed it. There wasn't any discussion at all as I recall.19:21
ubuntouristyes, contract expiring very soon.19:21
jelknerbut this year there should be (discussion I mean)19:21
jelknerand I don't want to be the one to sign it19:21
lelkneralfarookay. I'll follow up with you two about the next steps in that process. 19:22
ubuntouristshould NOVA Web have a change in mailing address?19:22
jelknerit should19:23
jelknerbut lelkneralfaro and i talked about that19:23
jelkneri'm thinking that we should change it once we feel like we are going to be around for awhile19:23
jelknerso while we are pushing to make ourselves a viable business over the next several months19:24
jelknerchanging the address isn't on top of our priority list19:24
ubuntouristAh. OK. I'll try to set up a meeting with Gallaudet. lelkneralfaro, you're now generally available? Or should I be aiming for specific times?19:24
jelkneri can just get all mail, and make sure i meet up with lelkneralfaro to deliver it19:24
lelkneralfaroI am generally available during the week. but Wednesday through Friday is best19:25
ubuntourist(HacDC member meeting starting in 5 minutes.)19:25
ubuntouristlelkneralfaro, I'm generally on campus on Friday afternoon. So that's the likely target.19:25
lelkneralfarothat will work for me.19:26
lelkneralfarothanks ubuntourist19:26
lelkneralfarookay. well we only have 4 minutes left. so does anyone have anything pressing they want to share? 19:27
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lelkneralfaroI know that mr_german has been continuing to work on Elizabeth Guzman's site, which they have been happy with19:27
jelknerand lee carter's new campaign manager reached out today19:27
jelknerand i put her in touch with mr_german19:28
mr_germanjelkner, yes I got the email19:28
jelknerlelkneralfaro, i'll call you immediately after this19:28
ubuntouristjelkner, mjsir911 when are you free tomorrow? 3:10?19:28
mr_germanbtw. did you see my last email lelkneralfaro ?19:28
lelkneralfaroI received your email nrcerna19:28
jelknerbut i would like the accounting on that to be on your radar as well19:28
lelkneralfaroyes i did19:28
lelkneralfaroI asked them and they are working on getting the form to you19:29
lelkneralfaroit's a task on their radar19:29
mr_germanlelkneralfaro, ok thanks!19:29
replaceafilljelkner, i "introduced" myself to the Tendenci developer today:
lelkneralfarojelkner: the acccounting on the lee site?19:29
jelknerubuntourist, yes, 3:10 pm19:29
jelkneri'll call to explain19:29
lelkneralfarookay it is 7:30PM anyone have anything they would like to ask/share with the group before we call it a night?19:30
jelknerreplaceafill, that's awesome19:30
replaceafillACTION done19:32
lelkneralfarookay. well in that case shall I?19:32
jelknerdo it ;-)19:32
lelkneralfaroACTION drops the bag of gravel19:32
jelknerlater, everyone19:32
replaceafillthanks everyone, have a good rest of the week19:32
jelknerreplaceafill, can we talk tomorrow?19:33
lelkneralfaroalright everyone. thanks for the meeting enjoy the rest of your week!19:33
mr_germanI'll wait for your email lelkneralfaro :)19:33
replaceafilljelkner, sure, lunch time?19:33
replaceafilljelkner, got it, i'll be here19:33
lelkneralfarosounds good mr_german. I'll push them to get you the form. I know it's important to them.19:33
mr_germanlelkneralfaro, k thanks man!19:34
mr_germancya o/19:34
lelkneralfaroalright see you all later!19:34
mr_germanreplaceafill, jelkner see you tomorrow o/19:35
replaceafilllater mr_german19:35
mr_germanACTION leaves the office!19:35
ubuntourist(As is typical, HacDC meeting has been delayed by 15 minutes... Probably more like 25 when all is said and done.)19:39
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