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| jelkner | good morning, replaceafill! | 11:44 |
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| replaceafill | good morning jelkner | 11:44 |
| jelkner | I'm hoping to chat with ncerna today | 11:44 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes, she told me she would email you with a couple of questions | 11:44 |
| jelkner | great | 11:44 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, is there a deadline for that work? | 11:45 |
| jelkner | i'm here with ubuntourist and mjsir911 until our meeting this evening | 11:45 |
| jelkner | the event is 10/21, so we have a bit of time | 11:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah ok | 11:46 |
| jelkner | but i would like to send amity and yvonne a rough draft soon | 11:46 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, right | 11:46 |
| jelkner | so that we have time for several iterations | 11:46 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that's what i told nrcerna | 11:46 |
| jelkner | cool | 11:46 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, btw, (though i imagine you already know this), ncerna's work can be paid from the $ i already sent | 12:06 |
| jelkner | let me know when i need to recharge that as usual | 12:06 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, sure, will do | 12:07 |
| jelkner | and by all means, replaceafill, let me know *as soon* as we are ready to move the email list! | 12:08 |
| jelkner | i am super excited about that! | 12:08 |
| jelkner | i'll need a tour of how to access our database, too, but i'd rather wait until email is part of that | 12:09 |
| jelkner | since i'll have to add email addresses by hand anyway | 12:09 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, add email addresses by hand? | 12:10 |
| jelkner | the folks who have already added themselves to the list | 12:10 |
| jelkner | database, i mean | 12:10 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, oh you mean to the mailing list | 12:10 |
| jelkner | will have to be added to the know mailman3 mainling list | 12:11 |
| jelkner | yes | 12:11 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i thought the tendenci database :) | 12:11 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and we have a postfix database too ;) | 12:11 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, too many databases! | 12:11 |
| jelkner | ouch | 12:12 |
| jelkner | i thought the tendenci database *was* a postgres database | 12:12 |
| jelkner | are they distinct? | 12:12 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, it is | 12:12 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, tendenci uses postgresql | 12:12 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, postfix (for storing smtp email info) is mysql | 12:13 |
| jelkner | that was what i understood | 12:13 |
| jelkner | ohh | 12:13 |
| jelkner | i didn't know that | 12:13 |
| jelkner | seems like a waste | 12:13 |
| jelkner | postfix can't use postgres? | 12:13 |
| jelkner | anyway, not my problem | 12:14 |
| jelkner | whatever you decide, i just have to learn to use ;-) | 12:14 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, it can, but the use case is simple enough for us (*me*) to learn to use it | 12:14 |
| jelkner | okie dokie | 12:14 |
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| jelkner | !remind | 17:03 |
| Big_Brother | Ask Louie to report on invoice workflow | 17:03 |
| jelkner | !remind Talk about invoice workflow | 17:05 |
| Big_Brother | "Talk about invoice workflow" added to message queue | 17:05 |
| jelkner | !remind Main topic - Plan A / Plan B discussion | 17:05 |
| Big_Brother | "Main topic - Plan A / Plan B discussion" added to message queue | 17:05 |
| jelkner | !remind | 17:05 |
| Big_Brother | Ask Louie to report on invoice workflow | 17:05 |
| Big_Brother | Main topic - Plan A / Plan B discussion | 17:05 |
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| mjsir911 | !remind | 18:32 |
| Big_Brother | Ask Louie to report on invoice workflow | 18:32 |
| Big_Brother | Main topic - Plan A / Plan B discussion | 18:32 |
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| Big_Brother | Ask Louie to report on invoice workflow | 19:00 |
| Big_Brother | Main topic - Plan A / Plan B discussion | 19:00 |
| jelkner | Good evening everyone! | 19:00 |
| lelkneralfaro | hello | 19:00 |
| replaceafill | good evening/afternoon | 19:00 |
| jelkner | z0nny says 'hi' and will brb | 19:00 |
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| nrcerna | hello | 19:01 |
| jelkner | let's dive right in to our full agenda | 19:01 |
| lelkneralfaro | sounds good | 19:01 |
| jelkner | hello ncerna | 19:01 |
| jelkner | invoice workflow | 19:01 |
| nrcerna | hello jelkner | 19:01 |
| lelkneralfaro | what would you like to know? | 19:01 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, we need train everyone to produce invoices for their own work | 19:02 |
| jelkner | so you don't have to do that | 19:02 |
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| jelkner | *but*, you should be sending them | 19:02 |
| jelkner | good evening, Rena_! | 19:02 |
| lelkneralfaro | okay. sounds good. | 19:02 |
| Rena_ | hi | 19:02 |
| lelkneralfaro | hey Rena_ | 19:02 |
| ubuntourist | Wait... I have been producing invoices and jelkner, I thought last week you told me NOT to. | 19:02 |
| jelkner | so, ubuntourist, how should this work? | 19:03 |
| jelkner | this is what i'm thinking, we need to optimize for two goals: | 19:03 |
| jelkner | 1. distribute prep work to the workers themselves | 19:04 |
| jelkner | 2. centralize accounting so lelkneralfaro can do that | 19:04 |
| jelkner | you have been producing and sending invoices | 19:04 |
| jelkner | how will lelkneralfaro keep track of the budget? | 19:04 |
| lelkneralfaro | If someone sends an invoice out on their own | 19:05 |
| jelkner | so, you send your invoice to lelkneralfaro and he sends it to gallaudet | 19:05 |
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| jelkner | i don't want to take too much time with this | 19:06 |
| lelkneralfaro | they can let me know about how much income we should be expecting | 19:06 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, what I'd been doing is producing, sending to gallaudet, posting to Google Docs and sending a message to Osvaldo and mjsir911. And I'd rather not do all of it, if it can be avoided. | 19:06 |
| jelkner | what can be avoided? | 19:06 |
| jelkner | and by avoided, you mean someone else should do it, yes? | 19:06 |
| jelkner | with our new contract, we could discuss paying someone else to do that | 19:07 |
| lelkneralfaro | yes, ubuntourist and I agreed that he would handle this latest invoice and then I'll handle those that follow | 19:07 |
| jelkner | ok | 19:07 |
| jelkner | but i am concerned that mr_german not send an invoice to aea without your guidance, lelkneralfaro | 19:07 |
| jelkner | basically, we need a clearly understood process | 19:08 |
| lelkneralfaro | I agree. | 19:08 |
| jelkner | and you should establish that | 19:08 |
| lelkneralfaro | how about I come up with a solution and send it out to people tomorrow? | 19:08 |
| jelkner | +1 | 19:08 |
| mr_german_phone | +1 | 19:08 |
| lelkneralfaro | cool, next point... | 19:08 |
| ubuntourist | +1 | 19:08 |
| jelkner | next point is working itself out | 19:09 |
| jelkner | you signed the contract with Gallaudet for example | 19:09 |
| jelkner | nice | 19:09 |
| jelkner | you now have control of the bank account | 19:09 |
| jelkner | we need to keep giving you whatever you need to be able to represent us legally | 19:10 |
| jelkner | and financially | 19:10 |
| jelkner | so you can pay replacefill, for example! ;-) | 19:10 |
| jelkner | so let's keep doing that | 19:10 |
| lelkneralfaro | +1 | 19:10 |
| jelkner | next item | 19:10 |
| jelkner | oh, we skipped on | 19:11 |
| jelkner | s/one/on | 19:11 |
| jelkner | is our website up to date? | 19:11 |
| jelkner | can we switch the order? | 19:11 |
| ubuntourist | leklneralfaro need to get better control of the payroll company stuff too (more tomorrow). | 19:11 |
| jelkner | A plan / B plan should come first | 19:11 |
| jelkner | +1 | 19:11 |
| jelkner | did folks see my email on this? | 19:12 |
| lelkneralfaro | ubuntourist: yeah let's chat more about it tomorrw | 19:12 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION nods | 19:12 |
| replaceafill | yes | 19:12 |
| jelkner | i am especially thinking about mr_german, Rena_, z0nny, and ncerna | 19:12 |
| lelkneralfaro | yes | 19:12 |
| Rena_ | yes | 19:12 |
| jelkner | it is you all that should speak up here | 19:12 |
| jelkner | since as we figure this out, it impacts you directly | 19:13 |
| Rena_ | I say b plan because I have class in 7 | 19:13 |
| jelkner | so that's what we need to talk about, Rena_ | 19:13 |
| jelkner | the B plan | 19:13 |
| nrcerna | i say b plan too | 19:13 |
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| jelkner | let me explain a bit more what i mean, since "I say b plan" indicates you may not see this the way I meant to communicate it | 19:14 |
| jelkner | Here is what we need for plan B from mr_german, z0nny, Rena_, and ncerna | 19:15 |
| jelkner | 1. Each of you need to learn more of the skills needed to be a "freelance" web developer | 19:15 |
| jelkner | (how to manage and report your time, make invoices, look for customers, etc.) | 19:16 |
| jelkner | since if we arrive at Plan B in 6 months or so, it means Plan A will have failed | 19:16 |
| jelkner | So we won't be able to afford to keep replaceafill and we will be looking for a replacement for lelkenralfaro | 19:17 |
| jelkner | do you all understand what i'm saying? | 19:17 |
| Rena_ | yes | 19:18 |
| nrcerna | yes | 19:18 |
| jelkner | mr_german? | 19:18 |
| zOnny | yes | 19:18 |
| mr_german | yep, jelkner | 19:18 |
| jelkner | ok, that was all i have for this evening | 19:18 |
| jelkner | i think this needs to be an ongoing topic for our meetings | 19:19 |
| Rena_ | I have to head into class now | 19:19 |
| jelkner | later, Rena_ | 19:19 |
| lelkneralfaro | okay by Rena_ | 19:19 |
| lelkneralfaro | talk to you soon | 19:19 |
| Rena_ | I will catch up on anyother logs tonight | 19:19 |
| jelkner | us old folks should be helping you learn what you need to know | 19:19 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, there needs to be a Jupyter notebook with a financial graph ;-) | 19:19 |
| jelkner | i work closely with z0nny | 19:19 |
| jelkner | but mr_german, ncerna, and Rena_ i don't have regular contact with | 19:20 |
| jelkner | i assume replaceafill is mentoring mr_german and ncerna | 19:20 |
| jelkner | so let's just keep our eyes on this process | 19:20 |
| replaceafill | at best as i can... | 19:20 |
| ubuntourist | As jelkner mentioned, a new contract has been sent to Gallaudet. Ball is in their court on a response to that. | 19:21 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, agenda item about the website? | 19:22 |
| ubuntourist | Not much else to report other than the continued impending Oslo. Maybe more next week after tomorrow's tete-a-tete with lelkneralfaro. | 19:23 |
| jelkner | good point | 19:23 |
| jelkner | super | 19:23 |
| jelkner | let's talk about that next week | 19:23 |
| replaceafill | cool | 19:23 |
| lelkneralfaro | +1 | 19:23 |
| jelkner | ok lelkneralfaro, if you want to call it, i think we are done | 19:24 |
| lelkneralfaro | yup I think so too | 19:24 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, nrcerna can we please have 5 minutes after the meeting? | 19:24 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner: can you give me a phone call after this though? | 19:24 |
| ubuntourist | Give | 19:24 |
| nrcerna | ok replaceafill | 19:25 |
| ubuntourist | Give 'em an inch and they think they're a ruler. ;-) | 19:25 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, or after you are done speaking with replaceafill and nrcerna | 19:25 |
| mjsir911 | ACTION drops the ball of gravel | 19:25 |
| replaceafill | ball?!? :D | 19:26 |
| mr_german | lol | 19:26 |
| zOnny | :D | 19:26 |
| lelkneralfaro | lol | 19:26 |
| jelkner | ok, ncerna, shoot | 19:26 |
| ubuntourist | he "dropped the ball" on that. ;-) | 19:26 |
| replaceafill | :)) | 19:26 |
| mr_german | :D ? | 19:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, nrcerna ok, quick | 19:26 |
| lelkneralfaro | alright everyone talk to you soon. | 19:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, about nrcerna's last email | 19:26 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION exits, stage left. ;-) | 19:26 |
| jelkner | let me see | 19:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, she asked if it's necessary for her to present multiple proposals | 19:27 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, "¿Cuántas propuestas debo presentar?" | 19:27 |
| jelkner | let's try to minimize the work involved | 19:27 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 19:28 |
| nrcerna | ok | 19:28 |
| jelkner | so just give me one | 19:28 |
| jelkner | i'll look at it first | 19:28 |
| jelkner | if i like it, i'll send it to amity and yvonned for their feedback | 19:28 |
| nrcerna | jelkner, I also want to know the size for the flyer | 19:28 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and last thing | 19:28 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, jelkner already answered that | 19:29 |
| jelkner | i sent that, 8 1/2 by 11 | 19:29 |
| nrcerna | ohh sorry | 19:29 |
| jelkner | no problem | 19:29 |
| jelkner | do you have any questions about what to emphasize? | 19:30 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i told nrcerna to use only free licensed images for the flyer | 19:30 |
| jelkner | yes, and since ben jealous has a nice picture on wikipedia | 19:30 |
| jelkner | ;-) | 19:30 |
| replaceafill | great | 19:30 |
| jelkner | i'm looking forward to working with you on this | 19:30 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, so that's the plan | 19:30 |
| jelkner | ncerna | 19:31 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, any questions? | 19:31 |
| jelkner | since we will both learn a lot from the process | 19:31 |
| nrcerna | Jelkner one more question, are you going to print the flyer? | 19:31 |
| jelkner | i don't have any idea creatively how to do this right | 19:31 |
| jelkner | but i think i'll have some idea what we don't want | 19:31 |
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| jelkner | so just take a stab at it | 19:31 |
| mr_german | welcome back lelkneralfaro_ | 19:32 |
| jelkner | and be ready for me to say, 'more of this, less of that' | 19:32 |
| jelkner | we want folks to notice two things for sure: | 19:32 |
| jelkner | 1. NEA Members for Our Revolution is the sponsor | 19:32 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | thanks mr_german | 19:32 |
| jelkner | 2. Ben Jealous is the star attraction | 19:32 |
| jelkner | does that help? | 19:33 |
| nrcerna | yes it does jelkner | 19:33 |
| jelkner | and of course, we wan them to know where and when ;-) | 19:33 |
| jelkner | have fun with it, ncerna | 19:33 |
| jelkner | and let me know when you have something for me to look at | 19:33 |
| nrcerna | ok jelkner i will | 19:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, should the msea be included in the flyer? | 19:34 |
| jelkner | yes, but we will be giving this to msea convention attendees | 19:34 |
| jelkner | so they will know where they are | 19:34 |
| jelkner | 1 and 2 are the real messages | 19:34 |
| replaceafill | ah ok | 19:35 |
| replaceafill | ACTION done | 19:35 |
| jelkner | the audience is MSEA delegate | 19:35 |
| jelkner | s | 19:35 |
| jelkner | cool | 19:35 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, are we done? | 19:35 |
| nrcerna | yes replaceafill | 19:35 |
| replaceafill | thanks jelkner and nrcerna | 19:35 |
| replaceafill | have a good rest of the week everybody | 19:35 |
| jelkner | btw, replaceafill, get ready for a surge in members that day! | 19:35 |
| nrcerna | thanks for the info replaceafill and jelkner | 19:35 |
| jelkner | good night, talk to you soon | 19:36 |
| replaceafill | later! | 19:36 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off | 19:36 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, nrcerna are you on google call? | 19:37 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, eh no | 19:37 |
| nrcerna | no mr_german | 19:37 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, do you need me to call you? | 19:37 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, yes | 19:37 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, I need to ask you something | 19:38 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, ok | 19:38 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, is there anything you want to discuss via hangout? | 19:38 |
| nrcerna | no replaceafill | 19:38 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, cool | 19:38 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, ready | 19:39 |
| mr_german | :D | 19:39 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, good luck with the flyer! | 19:39 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i'll call your cell, ok? | 19:39 |
| mr_german | k | 19:39 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, unless you need screen sharing? | 19:39 |
| nrcerna | thanks replaceafill | 19:39 |
| mr_german | nop | 19:39 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, ok, calling | 19:39 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, k | 19:39 |
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