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| replaceafill | good afternoon jelkner | 12:47 |
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| jelkner | gooood afternoon, replaceafill | 12:57 |
| jelkner | r u ready to rumble? | 12:57 |
| jelkner | i mean hangout ;-) | 12:57 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ready when you are | 12:57 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes i can hear you | 12:59 |
| jelkner | i can't hear you | 12:59 |
| replaceafill | hi mjsir911 | 13:36 |
| mjsir911 | Hi | 13:36 |
| replaceafill | how can i help? | 13:36 |
| mjsir911 | So I was trying to configure the server hosting nationalhospital.com to handle both nationalhospital.com & newmexicohospital.com | 13:36 |
| mjsir911 | Simple apache rewrite rules that I was able to accomplish on students.gctaa.net with jelkners permissions | 13:37 |
| mjsir911 | The problem is with our current access, we cannot simply edit apache.conf on nationalhospital.com's server, and we have to edit it through cpanel | 13:37 |
| mjsir911 | & cpanel does not seem to be able to do what we want | 13:37 |
| replaceafill | sure | 13:38 |
| mjsir911 | So I can't really help much on that and I suggested that for me to better be able to help that we switch to a hosting provider where we have access to apache configuration | 13:38 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, are you thinking of using a linode vps? | 13:39 |
| mjsir911 | That seems reasonable, linode seems pretty cheap to start off with, but jelkner wants managed hosting, and linode managed hosting is +100$/month | 13:40 |
| replaceafill | ah yes | 13:41 |
| replaceafill | what does he want from the managed hosting service? | 13:42 |
| replaceafill | file transfer? | 13:42 |
| mjsir911 | Managed hosting seems expensive in general, and webfaction seems to be the alternative jelkner is pushing for | 13:42 |
| mjsir911 | He doesnt want us to be 'selling hosting', we don't want to be responsible for getting up at 3 in the morning and fixing a problem | 13:42 |
| replaceafill | and that never happens with webfaction ;) | 13:43 |
| replaceafill | well, webfaction allows you to modify the apache configuration | 13:43 |
| mjsir911 | Yea that seems to be the cheapest, best managed hosting option | 13:44 |
| replaceafill | and you (we) have experience with it | 13:44 |
| replaceafill | personally | 13:44 |
| replaceafill | i don't share jelkner's point of view | 13:44 |
| replaceafill | i prefer our own vps | 13:44 |
| replaceafill | but yes, that's a burden | 13:45 |
| mjsir911 | I haven't experienced any real problems with our own vps, but I haven't really worked on a system where going down overnight is horrible | 13:45 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, and i think that national hospital being just html should be easy to maintain | 13:46 |
| replaceafill | you just need good shared documentation on how to update it | 13:46 |
| mjsir911 | I think hosting on our own will be fine until the site potentially gains enough revenue to pay for managed hosting | 13:46 |
| mjsir911 | I think jelkner is more concerned about the late night crashes | 13:47 |
| mjsir911 | Updates are easy on a debian system :) | 13:47 |
| replaceafill | crashes of what? the database? server running out of memory? too much load? | 13:47 |
| replaceafill | that's the part i don't share | 13:47 |
| replaceafill | a cheap linode vps should be able to handle serving html without a problem | 13:48 |
| replaceafill | if you care about performance you could even go ngnix instead of apache | 13:48 |
| replaceafill | which is better for static serving | 13:48 |
| mjsir911 | I don't know what the specifics of his worries are right now, but I think at the state of how things are right at this moment, hosting on our own should be no worry | 13:49 |
| mjsir911 | zonny is considering going into php if he is asked to update 49 more states to the same look | 13:49 |
| mjsir911 | But there is not enough traffic to worry about any potential problems at its current state | 13:49 |
| replaceafill | ah that makes sense, but even in that case, processing shouldn't be considerable | 13:49 |
| replaceafill | right | 13:50 |
| mjsir911 | So personally I would go with linode vps unmanaged for now and upgrade to managed when the time comes, but jelkner still has his concerns | 13:50 |
| replaceafill | i'd go with a $5 linode for now | 13:51 |
| replaceafill | :D | 13:51 |
| replaceafill | we're even saying the same things mjsir911! | 13:51 |
| mjsir911 | Yep, but could you ask him about what he's concerned about since he can articulate that better than I can | 13:51 |
| replaceafill | but this is what i keep saying to jelkner, you and me are going to be here for some more time | 13:52 |
| replaceafill | i pressume | 13:52 |
| replaceafill | and even if we leave | 13:52 |
| replaceafill | but we have good docs | 13:52 |
| replaceafill | you can train somebody else to do it | 13:52 |
| replaceafill | i'm fine with webfaction i jelkner wants to go that road | 13:53 |
| replaceafill | if jelkner* | 13:53 |
| replaceafill | we know how to use it, etc | 13:53 |
| mjsir911 | What are the downsides to shared hosting though? | 13:53 |
| replaceafill | for static content, i don't see many | 13:54 |
| replaceafill | it's not like you're doing database querying, django caching, etc | 13:54 |
| mjsir911 | At 10$/month with full managing of the server, I think jelkner is going to pay 5$ more for a webfaction server | 13:55 |
| replaceafill | again, that's fine with me | 13:56 |
| mjsir911 | Okay so here's what I propose: linode until we have any problems, and then if we start having problems look into switching to webfaction or buying managed | 13:58 |
| replaceafill | +1 | 13:58 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, thats' what we did for nea4or.us | 13:58 |
| replaceafill | when we moved it out of bluehost | 13:58 |
| mjsir911 | Okay well I'll tell him what decision we've made when he is available | 14:00 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, cool thanks | 14:00 |
| mjsir911 | Yep | 14:00 |
| jelkner | mission complidea, replaceafill | 14:10 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, what was the issue? | 14:11 |
| jelkner | xoom | 14:11 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, too many transfers for a period? | 14:12 |
| jelkner | they needed me to verify my account | 14:12 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah | 14:12 |
| jelkner | i think louie trying to do things too raised suspicion | 14:12 |
| jelkner | they asked me if i knew anyone else who would be trying to send money to the same recipient | 14:12 |
| replaceafill | ah | 14:13 |
| jelkner | with all the dirty money that goes between here and el salvador | 14:13 |
| replaceafill | yeah | 14:13 |
| replaceafill | thanks for taking care of it | 14:13 |
| jelkner | anyway, it looks like it went this time | 14:13 |
| jelkner | please let me know if there are any problems | 14:14 |
| jelkner | you meet with louie on monday, yes? | 14:14 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes | 14:14 |
| jelkner | can you meet with me at 5 pm on tuesday? | 14:14 |
| jelkner | i can't make our 7 pm, since i have the nea4or meeting at that time | 14:14 |
| jelkner | but i want to talk with you before then | 14:14 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, sure | 14:15 |
| jelkner | so i can update folks | 14:15 |
| jelkner | cool | 14:15 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, hopefully i'll have what i wrote today done by then | 14:15 |
| jelkner | that would be great | 14:15 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, transfer confirmed | 14:15 |
| replaceafill | thanks a lot | 14:15 |
| jelkner | sweet | 14:15 |
| jelkner | np, sorry for the delay | 14:15 |
| replaceafill | np | 14:15 |
| jelkner | it would be super if we could move the 10 people who signed up from Google group to mailman3 list be tuesday | 14:16 |
| jelkner | and remove them from Google group | 14:16 |
| jelkner | then i can send to Google group saying it is going away | 14:16 |
| jelkner | and asking people who haven't yet to please sign up | 14:17 |
| replaceafill | i'll look into that first (moving existing users) | 14:17 |
| jelkner | thnx! | 14:17 |
| jelkner | i'll be home monday evening | 14:17 |
| jelkner | and tuesday evening | 14:17 |
| jelkner | so ping me with any updates | 14:18 |
| replaceafill | will do | 14:18 |
| jelkner | okie dokie | 14:18 |
| jelkner | back to work with me... | 14:18 |
| replaceafill | me too | 14:18 |
| jelkner | later gater, and thanks again! | 14:19 |
| replaceafill | thank *you* | 14:19 |
| replaceafill | later! | 14:19 |
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