IRC log of #novawebdev for Sunday, 2017-11-26

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louisea!remind latest update on progress of organizing software estimate08:59
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jelknerGood morning, replaceafill. Do you know if ncerna plans to meet with me now?10:02
replaceafilljelkner, good morning10:02
replaceafilljelkner, i was expecting she would10:02
replaceafilljelkner, let me give her a call10:02
jelknerThanks.  I thought we had agreed to meet now.10:03
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replaceafilljelkner, there you go :)10:03
jelknerGood morning, nrcerna!10:03
nrcernaGood morning, sorry I had some problems with my pc10:04
jelknerIs it ok now?10:04
nrcernabtw hello =)10:05
nrcernayes jelkner, now is fine10:05
jelkneri mainly want to ask if you have any questions about what i sent you?10:05
jelkneri'm looking for a wall poster and would like it ready before we move code for nova back to my school10:06
jelknerwhich will happen on january 4th10:06
jelknerso, ncerna, any questions?10:07
nrcernaabout size I sugest you 8.5 x 11"10:07
nrcernaor 11 x 17"10:07
jelkneri was looking for large10:08
jelknerso at least 11 x 1710:08
jelkneris there an even larger common size?10:08
jelknersince i'll be bringing it to a local print place to get it printed.10:08
replaceafillhttp://www.printingdeals.org/standardsizes/postersize.html10:09
nrcernaI was in trouble wondering USA print sizes, sothe link replaceafill sent is great10:10
jelknerthanks, replaceafill!10:10
replaceafillnp10:10
jelkneryes, i'd like the "D" size10:10
jelkner24 x 36"10:11
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jelknerso make it 24 top and bottom and 36 on the sides10:12
nrcernaPerfect,so jelkner about graphics, some idea in mind? what would you like on the poster?10:12
jelknerit is the words i sent you10:12
jelknerhold on, i'll post it here10:12
replaceafillhttps://github.com/codeforamerica/Mission-Vision-and-Operating-Principles/blob/master/Draft.md10:12
replaceafill:)10:12
jelknerreplaceafill is too fast for me10:13
jelknerby the time i found it, he had already posted it ;-)10:13
replaceafilljelkner, i assume you don't need the link in the Our values section?10:14
replaceafilljelkner, about the karass10:14
jelknerI would remove that10:14
replaceafill+110:15
jelknernrcerna, perhaps it would help if you understood what i want it for?10:15
jelknerwe have a code for america group that will meet at my school once a week10:15
jelknerwe have a long time problem which is people show up all the time from our meetup page10:16
jelknernot really even knowing what we are about10:17
jelknerthen we waste a bunch of time trying to engage them10:17
jelknerand they mostly never return10:17
jelknerhttps://www.meetup.com/Code-for-NoVA/10:18
jelknerFYI10:18
nrcernaOk,i understand, one thing that we can use on the poster is a QR coda so people can sacan the code with smartphones 10:18
jelknerand what would they get when they scan?10:19
nrcernaand they can open  www.meetup.com/Code-fo-NoVA/10:19
nrcernahttps://www.meetup.com/Code-for-NoVA/*10:19
nrcernaIt could be that or any site you want.10:19
jelknerbetter that the QR code gave them our website10:19
replaceafillhttp://www.codefornova.org/10:19
jelknerbeat me again!10:20
jelkneryou are too fast, replaceafill 10:20
jelkneror i'm just to old and too slow :-(10:20
replaceafill"Some Of Our 2015 Projects"10:20
nrcernaSo people can have a easy access to the online info ;)10:20
replaceafillACTION wonders about the 2017 projects... :D10:20
jelknerwell, replaceafill, you can imagine the kinds of things i'm hoping to get people to help with ;-)10:21
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replaceafilljelkner, are those firemen in the images?10:21
replaceafilljelkner, and can they be used as graphic assets in nrcerna's poster?10:21
replaceafillhttps://www.meetup.com/Code-for-NoVA/photos/9019602/372309492/10:22
jelknerhttp://brigade.codeforamerica.org/brigade/10:22
jelknerlooks like they are used there10:22
jelknerbut don't go overboard with graphics10:23
replaceafillah ok10:23
jelkneri was thinking of something *really* simple10:23
replaceafillsure10:23
jelknerjust the words with the code for nova logo i sent10:23
replaceafillmessage is the important part10:23
jelknertotally10:23
nrcernaI was wondering if I can use the code for NOVA logo?10:23
jelkneryes, that's why i sent it10:23
ubuntouristBrigade is often used with the word "fire"...10:23
jelknersee, the text is still in draft10:24
nrcernaIs not the same at the website right?10:24
jelknernrcerna, i don't understand.10:24
jelknerwe only have 5 more minutes10:25
jelknerso let's wrap up10:25
jelknerkeep it *really* simple10:25
nrcernaMy bad :-/10:25
jelknernice fonts that make text easy to read plus code for nova logo in the upper left or right (up to you)10:25
jelknerthat's all10:25
jelkneri need it on the wall so i can ask folks to read it when they arrive10:26
nrcernaI was wondering something like this:https://www.google.com/search?q=infografias+pinterest&client=opera&hs=mqg&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjqk9K9xtzXAhVIY98KHTujAgYQ_AUICigB&biw=1560&bih=790#imgrc=EuDsQfAZgGGP2M:10:26
replaceafillnrcerna, too many graphics?10:27
nrcernahttps://i.pinimg.com/736x/41/a4/bf/41a4bf9714ab8e9f9ab33be36fa612af--free-infographic-templates-infographic-examples.jpg10:27
jelkneryes, replaceafill 10:27
jelknertoo busy10:27
jelkneri want something *really* simple10:27
jelknerjust the text on a white background10:27
jelknerit is all about the font10:27
jelknerfonts that make it easy to read10:28
nrcernaOk,i get it10:28
jelknerplus the code for nova logo10:28
jelknernothing else10:28
jelknerlet's try that first and see how it looks10:28
nrcernaOK :-)10:28
jelknergreat10:28
jelknerthanks10:28
nrcernaThanks to you!10:29
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Big_Brotherlatest update on progress of organizing software estimate10:30
louiseaHi good morning everyone!10:30
ubuntouristMissing one player... otherwise we have "The team".10:30
replaceafillgood morning!10:30
ubuntouristACTION growls10:31
louiseaSo I have only one thing that I wanted to put on the agenda for this morning10:31
louiseawhich I'll get right to10:31
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louiseabut first I want to ask jelkner if there is anything he wanted to add10:32
jelkneri have several questions about our plans, finances, your plan for next week, etc.10:32
jelknerRena__ just joined, so i wanted to talk about the website too10:32
louiseaalright. well first let me go with my quick update10:32
louiseathen we can jump into that10:33
louisealast week replaceafill and I reached an estimate amount to pass on to Jon Liss for the amount it would take to develop free software political organizing tools10:34
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louiseaafter working a few weeks with folks from agaric10:34
louiseagoing through user stories and estimating their complexity10:35
louiseawe arrived at $100,000 for initial development10:35
louiseaand tripled the number to include post-release costs10:36
louiseameaning development with user feedback 10:36
jelknerwill that include your time for working with them testing the system?10:37
louiseanow I'll be keeping in touch with Jon and waiting for a response10:37
jelknerreplaceafill, do you feel good about the process?10:38
ubuntouristSince this is very likely a multi-year project, hardwire in some plan for transfer of knowledge.10:38
ubuntourist(Members come, members go.)10:38
louiseajelkner, the final number was very broad10:38
jelkner+110:38
replaceafilljelkner, yes, we addressed most of the concerns i had when we started a month ago10:39
replaceafilljelkner, like the iterative process with user feedback, etc10:39
ubuntouristSo, as already stressed, best practices include standards, style guides, as well as training the next gen.10:39
jelknerso replaceafill, you feel you can drive this?10:39
louiseathe $100,000 being the more detailed number. The final amount would include the time for testing the system10:39
replaceafilljelkner, i'm not confortable with "driving", but yes, i'm more confident now10:40
jelknerso you'll learn to drive replaceafill as the train moves down the tracks! ;-)10:40
replaceafilljelkner, getting to know *exactly* what is needed is key in my opinion10:40
replaceafilljelkner, true!10:40
ubuntouristWho calls "Shotgun"? ;-)10:40
replaceafill:D10:41
Rena__I could use the work10:41
jelknerso, let's talk about what we do next week and beyond10:41
jelknerwe aren't going to just wait around10:41
louiseago for it10:41
Rena__But I'd rather call the booster seat in the back10:41
jelknerfirst, louisea, did you have arrangements to get another 5K this week?10:42
jelknerto keep you and replaceafill going for the next month?10:42
jelknerwe need to be thinking about budgeting10:42
louiseajelkner, yes10:42
jelknerhow many more months can we go this way10:42
Rena__Louis, while you're giving updates what's the status on BCCC? Have they paid?10:43
jelknerand what can we do to start brining in income10:43
louiseaRena_, the check will be sent to jelkner, if he has not received it yet then no10:43
jelkneri scan everything i receive and send it to you, louisea 10:43
louiseathey also have had some days off of work for Thanksgiving10:43
jelknerso if you haven't seen it10:43
jelkneri haven't received it10:44
jelknerok, let's talk about our website10:44
jelknerwe need to begin marketing10:44
jelknerand our website is in bad need of updating10:44
jelknerRena__, are you still planning on coming up with something?10:45
Rena__Yes, I have a few sites I'd like to email everyone when I get back to my laptop too10:46
jelknerplease do10:46
jelknerwe want to move on that sooner rather than later10:46
Rena__Yes10:46
jelknersince we can't market until we get our website reflecting what we are trying to market10:46
ubuntouristSpeaking of marketing...10:47
jelkneri was about to mention to zOnny that we talked about national hospital yesterday10:47
ubuntouristWhile developing web pages, CONSIDER the possibility of paper marketing as well.  So maybe some kind of brochure.10:47
jelknerto whom, ubuntourist, and how?10:48
jelkneri agree we could use that, but i don't think we are ready10:48
jelknerwe still don't have a clear enough vision of what we want something like that to say10:49
ubuntouristI mean, t'would be nice to have a stack of flyers to leave at things like PyCon.  (HacDC has business cards, but we also have brochures to advertise us, as well as our web site.)10:49
ubuntouristjelkner, yes, but while developing the new, improved web site, keeping the idea of paper parallel in mind may influence the design.10:50
jelknerinteresting thought10:50
jelknerthe way i was thinking about it, the website can keep changing until we like it10:50
ubuntourist(choice of graphic format, fonts, etc.)  I'm not saying spend our lives on it. Just have the awareness.10:50
ubuntouristTrue dat.10:51
jelkneronce you put paper out there, it stays around10:51
jelknerso you need to be more careful10:51
Rena__Lol paper10:51
louiseaubuntourist, did you print business cards at one point?10:52
jelknerlouisea, will you have a few minutes to chat by phone after this?10:52
louiseajelkner, yes10:52
ubuntouristRena__, think asynchronous communications at conferences. Cynic. ;-)10:52
jelknerok, anything else?10:53
ubuntouristlouisea, For myself, jelkner and mjsir911, with exactly the thought of conferences in mind.10:53
jelknerwe need the website first10:53
ubuntouristlouisea, So I'm thinking for PyCon 2018 doing a few more for those attending.10:53
jelknerso let's focus on that10:53
jelkneri'm not disagreeing, ubuntourist, but with very limited resources we need to put first things first10:54
jelknerlet's get our website updated10:54
jelknerand put our best work on it10:54
louiseaubuntourist, if you could send me the design I'd like to have those for carrying around10:54
jelknerubuntourist, will you talk with zOnny about national hospital?10:54
jelkneras we discussed over dinner yesterday10:54
ubuntouristjelkner, Already mentioned this morning.10:55
jelknercool, i'll follow up with him in class tomorrow10:55
zOnnyjelkner, yes, I am agree with that.10:55
jelknerbtw. i spoke with stephanie from lee carter's campaign10:55
louiseahow did that go?10:56
jelknerthey are swamped at the moment, but they were already thinking about wanting to transition their site10:56
ubuntouristThe "thank you and can you now shill for us?" letters went out, right?10:56
jelknershe wants me to call lee's staffer in 2 weeks10:56
louiseaubuntourist, yes10:57
ubuntouristDo they have money? ;-)10:57
jelknerubuntourist, you didn't see the email10:57
jelkneri will continue to donate their website10:57
louiseajelkner, same situation goes for Elizabeth's site10:57
louiseastaffer comes back to work on the 1st10:57
jelknercool10:57
jelkneri meet with OR Arlington SC a week from tomorrow10:58
ubuntouristjelkner, Do you have money? ;-)10:58
replaceafill:D10:58
jelknerno, but i'm just mortgaging my future :-(10:58
jelknersince only the present matters ;-)10:58
jelknerlet's make this thing work10:58
jelknerok, if there is nothing else10:59
jelkner30 minutes is up10:59
ubuntouristBriefly10:59
louiseago for it10:59
jelknermr_german, zOnny, i'm still waiting to hear from you two that the new aea site is ready11:00
ubuntouristNot only has Dragana oversold me to fellow researchers in her department, she's now selling me to ... Gallaudet Technology Services, i.e. the IT department here.11:00
mr_germanjelkner, did you the repo on gitlab?11:01
mr_germandid you see*11:01
ubuntouristThey've just gotten 3D printers, and VR headsets that they don't know what to do with.11:01
ubuntouristGiven last year's PRIMEs were flying under the NOVA Web banner, there may be opportunities there this summer.11:01
jelkner+111:01
replaceafillnice! good work11:01
jelknermr_german, is it ready to go live?11:02
mr_germanjelkner, +111:02
mr_germanyes it is!11:02
ubuntouristAlso, replaceafill, how's your network-fu? Or C# fu?  I'm needing some tutoring, and wonder if we have anyone in-house.11:02
jelknermr_german, go ahead and switch it then11:02
ubuntouristThat's it for me.11:02
mr_germanjelkner, k11:02
jelknerthen i'll check out the gitlab repo and begin making changes11:03
replaceafillubuntourist, network-fu some, c# fu none :(11:03
replaceafilljelkner, mr_german, zOnny, we have docs for updating AEA, please make sure they're updated after this transition11:03
ubuntouristreplaceafill, then perhaps I'll shoot some Python code your way and see if you can "fix" it or explain what I'm doing wrong.11:04
replaceafillubuntourist, sure11:04
mr_germanreplaceafill, I'll work on that before switch the site11:04
replaceafillmr_german, cool thanks11:04
mr_germanreplaceafill, we should keep the old guide?11:04
replaceafillmr_german, let's talk about that after the meeting11:05
mr_germanreplaceafill, k11:05
jelknermr_german, how is visa progress going?11:05
jelkneryou can update me later11:06
replaceafillACTION is waiting to hear too...11:06
jelknerreplaceafill, let's stay on top of that11:06
jelkneri want to see mr_german in cleveland!11:06
replaceafilljelkner, i have been11:07
mr_germanjelkner, I'm still waiting for my answer from pycon for the invitation letter11:07
jelknerdid louisea write you a letter?11:08
louiseajelkner, nope I did not11:08
louiseajust about to ask11:08
jelknerreplaceafill can tell you what it needs to say11:08
louiseacool. I'm ready whenever they are11:08
replaceafillindeed11:08
mr_germanjelkner, no, i haven't talked with him yet11:08
replaceafillmr_german is getting behind on this11:08
replaceafillmr_german, time to move!11:08
mr_germanreplaceafill, I know..11:09
replaceafillACTION done11:09
louiseaany last thoughts?11:09
jelknerACTION done11:09
louiseaACTION drops the bag of gravel11:09
replaceafillthanks everybody11:09
jelknersee you all next sunday at 10:3011:09
replaceafillhave a good week11:09
mr_germanjelkner, thx!11:10
replaceafillnrcerna, you still around?11:10
nrcernayes replaceafill 11:10
replaceafillnrcerna, jelkner's poster should be top priority for now, but let me know if you want to meet to talk about your website11:11
replaceafillnrcerna, i'm good from Tuesday-Friday11:11
replaceafillnrcerna, ok?11:11
nrcernafriday is fine11:11
replaceafillnrcerna, time?11:11
nrcernasorry replaceafill, looking in my agenda can we move it to tuesday11:12
replaceafillnrcerna, the 28th?11:12
replaceafillnrcerna, or the 5th?11:12
nrcerna28th is ok11:13
replaceafillnrcerna, cool, time?11:13
nrcernaare you available in the morning?11:13
nrcernaaround 9 am?11:13
replaceafillnrcerna, sure, what about 10 am our time?11:13
nrcerna10 am is ok11:13
replaceafillnrcerna, cool, see you tuesday then11:14
nrcernaok replaceafill11:14
nrcerna=)11:14
replaceafillmr_german, what i meant about the docs is that you *update* the current ones11:14
replaceafillmr_german, not write new ones11:14
replaceafillmr_german, so we don't have new and old11:15
replaceafillmr_german, just *current*11:15
mr_germanreplaceafill, k11:15
mr_germanreplaceafill, working on that!11:15
replaceafillmr_german, cool11:16
replaceafillmr_german, could you please fwd me the email you sent to the Pycon staff?11:44
mr_germank11:45
mr_germanreplaceafill, I'll send you two11:46
mr_germanmr_german, because I sent a new one yesterday11:46
mr_germanreplaceafill, *11:46
replaceafillmr_german, can i call you?11:49
mr_germansure11:49
replaceafilljelkner, are you around?12:23
jelknerreplaceafill, want to try to hang out now?12:36
replaceafilljelkner, sure, just a sec12:36
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