IRC log of #novawebdev for Sunday, 2017-12-03

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Big_BrotherDiscuss process for SY2017-18 intern, including institutionalization and funding 08:00
jelkner!remind Discussion of fundraising models for Nova Web08:00
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jelkner!remind Monday's meeting OR Arlington and what we want out of it08:01
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ubuntourist!remind Set up new Gallaudet contract?10:23
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Big_BrotherDiscuss process for SY2017-18 intern, including institutionalization and funding10:30
Big_BrotherTouch base about Barbara Chambers Childrens Center website development10:30
Big_Brothertouching base about Barbara Chambers Childrens Center website development10:30
Big_BrotherSet up new Gallaudet contract?10:30
replaceafillgood morning everyone10:30
lelkneralfaro_good morning everyone10:31
ubuntouristACTION yawns10:31
ubuntourist'Mornin'10:31
lelkneralfaro_Alright shall we begin from the top10:32
lelkneralfaro_I think that's you ubuntourist10:33
ubuntourist(SY = School year)10:33
jelknerok, quickly10:33
jelknerlast year i funded z0nny as an intern10:33
jelknerwith the understanding it would run until june10:34
jelkneri would say it was a very successful "experiment"10:34
jelknerchris hedrick had a similar arrangement a few years back10:34
jelknerhe is now a full time it professional10:34
jelknerso, i would like to do it again10:34
jelknerbut i want to begin to institutionalize it10:34
jelknerwith two goals:10:35
jelkner1. make it something nova web does and not me10:35
jelkner2. look into fund raising for it10:35
jelkneri have a student in mind10:35
jelkneri would like louie to interview him10:35
jelknerand all of us to approve the internship10:35
jelkner(moving toward democracy within our organization)10:36
jelknerthoughts?10:36
replaceafillwe will need some approval criteria?10:37
mjsir911sounds good, how do you propose we all gain enough knowledge about this person to approve / disapprove?10:37
jelknerreplaceafill, you and lelkneralfaro_ can work on that, yes?10:37
lelkneralfaro_I think this is a good place to introduce the idea10:37
replaceafilljelkner, ah i see10:37
replaceafillyes, it's a good way to start that10:38
jelknermjsir911, in part, you are trusting me, since i am nominating students who have shown the following:10:38
jelkner1. professionalism10:38
jelkner2. initiative10:38
jelknerz0nny can tell his story10:38
ubuntouristWhat happens if more than one candidate (not necessarily from Arlington) is proposed?10:38
jelkneri've talked to him about why i made the offer to him last year10:38
jelknerubuntourist, that is for later i think10:39
jelknerwe are still in the early stages10:39
jelkneri am funding10:39
jelknermy criteria includeds arlington community high school10:39
replaceafilljelkner, when would you want the intern to start "working" with us?10:41
replaceafillSY2017-2018 doesn't tell me much about that10:41
jelknerschool year 2017-1810:42
jelknerfrom now til june10:42
replaceafilljelkner, ah ok, got it10:42
jelknersoon10:42
lelkneralfaro_I think this conversation can be continued through email now10:42
jelkneryes10:42
jelkner+110:42
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lelkneralfaro_cool. next point10:42
lelkneralfaro_crowdfunding models...10:43
lelkneralfaro_well after we get some initial products10:44
lelkneralfaro_in the case of funding students we already have two supporting cases10:44
lelkneralfaro_and in terms of our software for progressive organizations we are getting close to having something to show10:44
lelkneralfaro_in the case of websites we already have products10:45
lelkneralfaro_but with other software we still need some wokr10:45
lelkneralfaro_*work10:45
jelknerlelkneralfaro_, that's already a lot to show, though10:45
jelknerdo we need to wait for more?10:45
lelkneralfaro_no, I don't think so.10:46
ubuntouristI'm waiting for the video of Dragana presenting my software in Oslo... While not web-related it may have advertising potential.10:46
ubuntourist(That was recorded by the conference organizers, and I haven't heard any word on release date.)10:47
lelkneralfaro_it simply means that finding additional candidates/campaigns to provide websites for, and this time asking them to pay, is the next step10:47
jelkneris this a good time to mention skillsusa?10:47
jelknersince that's why i put it on the agenda10:47
lelkneralfaro_go for it10:48
jelknerz0nny will be participating10:48
jelkneralong with 5 other students10:48
jelknerwe have been talking about how it is getting us ready to be professionals10:48
jelknerin the contest, you have no internet and 4 hours to develop a website10:48
jelkneryou are allowed to bring anything you want on your own laptop10:49
jelknerso it is all about having a tool box filled with templates and tools ready to go10:49
jelknerwe discussed this with Rena too10:49
jelknerif we want to get candidates to pay us10:49
jelknerwe need to be cheap10:50
jelknerthat means we need to be fast10:50
jelknerif it takes days or weeks to create a simple website10:50
jelknerthe folks we want to reach out to can't afford us10:50
jelknerand we are miserable too10:50
jelknerif we can learn to knock out a website in a few hours10:51
jelknerwe can do lots10:51
ubuntouristWhen is it? (How much lead time to find and become facile with good tools?)10:51
zOnnythat is reasonable in terms of time and profesionalism. 10:51
jelknerubuntourist, i don't know10:52
jelkneri have an idea what it needs to look like, but no idea how to get there10:52
jelknerexcept practice, practice, practice10:52
jelknersame way you get to carnagie hall ;-)10:52
replaceafill:D10:52
lelkneralfaro_only complication I see with that, especially if the sites can be produced quickly and cheaply (not complicated expensive designs) is finding enough customers to provide significant income10:53
jelkneri'm sorrry ubuntourist 10:53
jelknerthe regional is either jan 26 or 2910:53
jelknerthe state is late april10:53
jelknernationals is in june10:53
jelknerthey may make it to nationals10:53
jelknersince not many va teams compete10:54
jelknermost of the action is in california10:54
lelkneralfaro_next item10:55
lelkneralfaro_no mr_german or Rena though10:56
lelkneralfaro_so I'll talk to them about this elsewhere10:56
jelknerHUUGE shout out to nrcerna on her beautiful poster work last week!10:56
nrcernaThanks, jelkner 10:57
ubuntouristLast item: I guess more for lelkneralfaro_ and I, but its time to talk with Gallaudet about contract. Not much more to say about that.10:57
jelkneri've printed it, nrcerna, it will be up on the wall tomorrow10:57
lelkneralfaro_ubuntourist,  well I hope that we can get together soon to chat about it10:57
ubuntouristAnd two minutes to spare! Yay!10:58
lelkneralfaro_great!10:58
lelkneralfaro_any last additions?10:58
jelkneri'll stay to talk with replaceafill about tendenci10:58
jelknerbut after10:58
lelkneralfaro_in that case...10:59
lelkneralfaro_ACTION drops the bag of gravel10:59
lelkneralfaro_see you all next week10:59
replaceafillthanks everybody10:59
jelknerreplaceafill, did Rena meet with you?10:59
replaceafilljelkner, yes11:00
jelknercool, how did it go?11:00
replaceafilljelkner, it was mostly a planning meeting11:00
replaceafilljelkner, i wanted mostly to know about Rena's skills11:00
replaceafilljelkner, and how much help she will need and what kind11:00
jelknergreat11:00
replaceafilljelkner, we realized that it'd be faster for me to set up a new linode for her to develop11:01
replaceafilljelkner, since she doens't use linux or mac11:01
jelkneror mjsir911 or mr_german11:01
replaceafilljelkner, so i'll be doing that tomorrow morning and we're meeting again11:01
jelknerok11:01
jelknerin my mind we are trying to have depth to our skills11:02
replaceafilljelkner, i did explain what we want to do11:02
replaceafilljelkner, she's familiar with django so that's an advantage11:02
jelknergreat11:02
replaceafilljelkner, she's not familiar with grid though11:02
jelkneri talked to her before proposing this11:02
replaceafilljelkner, so i pointed her to the mozilla dev docs11:02
jelknershe said she thought she could do it11:03
replaceafilljelkner, yeah, her main concern was the set up really11:03
jelkneri told her that this is a core part of our business plan11:03
jelkneryes, she is not an admin11:03
jelknerand in my mind shouldn't have to be11:03
replaceafilljelkner, i expect once we set up the dev environment she'll take it from there11:03
replaceafilljelkner, i fully agree11:04
jelknercool11:04
jelknersweet11:04
replaceafilljelkner, i'll try to support her to do her thing :)11:04
jelknerbtw, i can't tell you enough times how thrilled i was with the poster nrcerna made11:04
replaceafilljelkner, glad that it worked out11:05
jelknererin is the main staffer at code for america11:05
jelknerwhen she said she loved it11:05
jelknerit means we hit gold!11:05
replaceafilljelkner, i really liked their reaction emails :)11:05
replaceafilljelkner, indeed11:05
jelknerthis is how we are going to make a successful business11:05
replaceafilljelkner, are you still meeting with Arlington OR tomorrow?11:06
jelkneryou bet i am11:06
replaceafilljelkner, we should touch base tuesday or wednesday if possible?11:06
jelkneryes we should11:06
jelkneri will be telling them that if they want us to do this for them11:07
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jelknermy expectation is that they will agree to become "part of our process"11:07
jelknermeaning they will take ownership of it and think of or arlington as an innovator in this activity11:08
jelknerthen lelkneralfaro_ will meet with them11:08
jelknerand you and he will interact with them directly11:08
replaceafilljelkner, ah good idea11:08
jelknermr_german and zOnny will do the website11:08
jelknerin php11:08
replaceafilljelkner, just like a regular client11:08
jelknerexactly11:08
jelknereven more so11:08
jelkneri picked or arlington because they are an activist group11:09
jelknerwe have a bunch of committees11:09
jelkneron economics, cooperatives, housing, education11:09
jelknerwe have a book club11:09
jelknerall of this should utilize the association management system we are developing11:10
jelknerso there will be lots of small mailing lists11:10
replaceafilljelkner, lots of opportunities :)11:10
replaceafilljelkner, yes!11:10
jelknermailman3 to the max!11:10
replaceafilljelkner, :D11:10
jelkneryes, lots of opportunies11:10
jelknerso i will email you early tuesday morning11:10
jelknertalk to you soon.11:11
replaceafilljelkner, cool, thanks11:11
replaceafilljelkner, ttyl11:11
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