IRC log of #novawebdev for Sunday, 2017-12-10

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Big_BrotherNotification of end of year tax payments 09:13
jelkner!remind Would coinbase be a possible way to send funds?09:13
Big_Brother"Would coinbase be a possible way to send funds?" added to message queue09:13
jelkner!remind Could Edzon work with the new students this year to create a web page marketing our educational project?09:14
Big_Brother"Could Edzon work with the new students this year to create a web page marketing our educational project?" added to message queue09:14
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mr_germangood morning jelkner ubuntourist 10:02
ubuntouristAhoy, mr_german 10:02
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jelknerGood morning, ubuntourist, lelkneralfaro_, mr_german, nrcerna, and replaceafill!10:28
ubuntouristOy, jelkner 10:28
mr_germanGood morning!10:28
replaceafillgood morning10:28
jelknerACTION pulls himself away from statistical correlations to focus on the meeting ;-)10:28
ubuntouristThe lads from Arlington said they'd be participating from the student cafeteria.10:29
nrcernagood morning =)10:29
lelkneralfaro_good morning everyone10:29
Big_BrotherNotification of end of year tax payments10:29
lelkneralfaro_I'll start10:30
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lelkneralfaro_just wanted to let you all know that federal tax payments are due in a week10:30
lelkneralfaro_and that I'll be sending the government their cut10:30
ubuntouristWhat of the land of taxation without representation?10:31
jelkneryou have all the tools you need to do that, lelkneralfaro_?10:31
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lelkneralfaro_the land of taxation is also getting theirs10:31
lelkneralfaro_I've been paying DC taxes10:31
lelkneralfaro_the notifications that jelkner has been receiving refer to unfiled documents from quarters 1 and 2 of the year10:32
ubuntouristAh. Any consequences of note regarding those, lelkneralfaro_ ?10:33
lelkneralfaro_I'll just send in those forms and hope that the delinquency mailers go away10:33
jelkneri don't mind them as long as you tell me they don't mean trouble for us?10:33
lelkneralfaro_ubuntourist: I have received no notifications regarding interest or fines, but I'm not 100% sure on that.10:34
jelknerlelkneralfaro_, can we discuss NVM here today?10:35
lelkneralfaro_When i looked into it previously they said they couldn't inform me about your account10:35
lelkneralfaro_but I have been keeping up with the payments to DC since October10:35
lelkneralfaro_jelkner, with everyone or individually?10:36
ubuntouristlelkneralfaro_, thanks.10:36
jelknerlelkneralfaro_, with everyone10:37
lelkneralfaro_sure, want to start on that now or put it at the end of the meeting?10:37
jelkneryou tell me10:37
jelknerbut it is important for everyone10:37
lelkneralfaro_I'm not sure what you are talking about10:38
lelkneralfaro_so take it away10:38
jelkneri had a good talk with jon liss yesterday10:38
lelkneralfaro_then we'll return to the other points10:38
jelkneri told him about our current status and prospects10:38
jelkner1. We are surviving on $5K per month that lelkneralfaro_ and replaceafill are living on10:39
jelknerthat will expire in about 3 months10:39
jelknerand to keep going we need a way to get at least that amount per month after that10:39
jelkner2. I asked him about our proposal10:40
jelknerto be frank, he was pretty underwhelmed by our proposal10:40
jelknerhe said that a 1 page document with not many details after weeks of waiting indicates we need to get our game together on developing a business plan if we want to get funding.10:41
jelknerhe also made it clear he is pulling for us10:41
jelknerso we discussed some other possible smaller scale ways we could collaborate10:42
jelknernrcerna came up10:42
jelknersince he asked us if we had a designer10:42
jelkneri said we did10:42
jelknerso lelkneralfaro_ we should continue to explore possible smaller scale relationship with NVM so that we can begin to work with them on something10:43
jelkneri told him about our OR Arlington project10:43
jelknerhe said it was a good idea, but it still isn't a "business plan"10:44
jelknerso as we move forward on that we need to turn it into one10:44
jelknerwe need something we can present to OR national and big unions that looks like a real business plan10:44
jelknersince i don't know what a "real business plan" is, i guess that's for you to figure out, lelkneralfaro_ 10:45
lelkneralfaro_jelkner, did you speak with Jon after him and I spoke?10:45
jelknerbut jon had some ideas i asked him to share with you10:45
jelkneri spoke to him before you two talked10:45
jelknerin fact, we hung up when your call came in ;-)10:46
jelknerok, that's all i got10:46
ubuntouristjelkner, So. "business plan"... timelines, budgets, expenses, estimated revenues, personnel requirements, percentages of time dedicated to projects? 10:46
jelkneryup, ubuntourist, that's the name of the game10:46
lelkneralfaro_ubuntourist, yes10:46
ubuntouristjelkner, I don't speak the language, but I see it come up on Gallaudet stuff, even if I don't grok it.10:47
jelknerme either, ubuntourist 10:47
lelkneralfaro_jelkner, putting together those plans is great, I think it is good to have plans10:47
lelkneralfaro_but if I could boil it down here to something quick, I do think this comes back to looking for lots and lots of clients10:47
lelkneralfaro_and putting together how much it would cost to provide them with tendenci set up and support in the case of Douglas' work10:48
jelknerdepends, lelkneralfaro_, for web application development it will be just one or two big clients10:48
jelknerbut for entry level web design, lots and lots10:49
lelkneralfaro_yes for Douglas' work just a few clients10:49
ubuntouristI will say that what I've seen of the project I'm on, the business "plan" is something more like a business "fantasy".  However we do have a set of milestones that we checkoff periodically.10:49
lelkneralfaro_I saw that DSA is looking for  crm10:49
jelkneryou should jump on that one10:49
lelkneralfaro_and we could look for a nonprofit10:50
jelknerthey are the kind of clients we are looking for10:50
lelkneralfaro_or reach out to tons and tons of nonprofits and hope one hits10:50
jelknerlelkneralfaro_, i think having the "business fantasy" in formal form is essential10:50
jelknersince that is what you circulate10:51
jelknerwhen asking for funding or offering services10:51
jelkneranyway, we should continue this later10:51
jelknersince there are other things on the agenda10:51
jelknerbut this is crucial for our survival10:51
lelkneralfaro_before we go on10:52
lelkneralfaro_if I may10:52
lelkneralfaro_what is the status on the ArlingtonOR project10:52
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jelknerdrats, we lost replaceafill_10:53
lelkneralfaro_I think that's the test case to see if we have a product that we can sell to others10:53
jelknerwe need to move with all deliberate speed on that10:53
replaceafillsorry, was disconnected10:53
replaceafillwill catch up with the log10:53
jelknermr_german and replaceafill are working on it10:53
jelkneri was hoping to hear how it is going10:53
jelknersince we have our monthly meeting tomorrow at 7 pm10:54
jelknerlelkneralfaro_, any chance you could come to that?10:54
lelkneralfaro_I'll speak with replaceafill tomorrow about timeline then10:54
lelkneralfaro_jelkner, I can't guarantee i can be there at 710:54
lelkneralfaro_but I'll try10:54
jelknerit runs 7 to 9 pm10:54
lelkneralfaro_definitely can't do that10:54
lelkneralfaro_are you talking about ArlingtonOR meeting?10:55
lelkneralfaro_or meeting with Douglas?10:55
jelkneri was talking about OR Arlington10:55
jelknerare you still in NC tomorrow?10:55
lelkneralfaro_yeah I can't do that. I'm in NC10:55
jelknernever mind then10:55
jelknerfor next month, please try to be here10:55
lelkneralfaro_I'll put it on my calendar10:56
jelknerit will be important for you to introduce yourself to folks and to start to understand our product as it develops10:56
jelknerreplaceafill, mr_german, do we have anything to show tomorrow?10:56
replaceafillwhat's your status mr_german?10:57
mr_germanjelkner, yes, I've been working on National Hospital10:57
jelkneri'm confused, mr_german, i thought we agreed that you would turn that over to zOnny 10:57
jelknerOR Arlington is our top priority10:57
mr_germanreplaceafill, jelkner ik10:58
jelknersince we will be developing our product there10:58
jelknermr_german, if you could get a basics site up by tomorrow 7 pm it would be a huge help10:58
jelknerso i could show it to folks10:58
jelknermeetings are only once a month10:58
replaceafilljelkner, that's what we agreed last week10:58
jelknerif i can't show it tomorrow, i have to wait a whole additional month10:59
replaceafillmr_german, have you started on the OR Arlington site?10:59
mr_germanjelkner, do not worry about that10:59
mr_germanreplaceafill, yes10:59
jelknerwe only have 3 months of funding left10:59
replaceafillmr_german, do you have any repo i can start setting up?10:59
jelknerso we can't waste a month10:59
mr_germanreplaceafill, no yet10:59
jelknerso that's the task for today, mr_german 10:59
replaceafillmr_german, could you please create one today?10:59
jelknerget that basic website running10:59
replaceafillmr_german, with your current work10:59
mr_germanreplaceafill, Im using ora-ams as you said11:00
jelknerso points to it11:00
replaceafillmr_german, yes, but there's nothing ther atm11:00
replaceafillmr_german, i mean, no commits11:00
jelknerreplaceafill, mr_german you two can work on that after, yes?11:00
mr_germanreplaceafill, I haven't pushed any commits yet11:00
replaceafilljelkner, yes11:00
nrcernareplaceafill, jelkner, sorry but I have to go 11:01
replaceafillmr_german, let's talk after the meeting11:01
jelknernrcerna, thanks11:01
replaceafillnrcerna, sure, see you later11:01
jelknerwe may have work for you with NVM11:01
jelknerlet's talk later11:01
jelknerok, we are running over today11:02
jelknerbut there are a few more items11:02
lelkneralfaro_I'm not in a hurry11:02
jelkneri wanted to commend zOnny for the great work he has been doing recruiting students11:02
jelknerthere skills are really growing, too11:03
jelknerit occurred to me that we could put them to work developing a website to promote our work educating them11:03
jelknerand use that for crowd funding our internship program11:03
jelkners/their/there ;-)11:03
jelkneranyway, i'd like to invite lelkneralfaro_ to come in one afternoon and meet them11:04
jelknerthey are there between 1:40 and 3:10 pm each day11:04
jelknerand talk more about this11:04
jelknerthat's all i have on that11:04
lelkneralfaro_lekneralfaro_ early next week may work11:04
jelkneryou name the day11:05
lelkneralfaro_I mean't jelkner11:05
jelkneri thought you were in NC?11:05
jelknermonday is tomorrow11:05
lelkneralfaro_not tomorrow11:05
lelkneralfaro_next week11:05
jelknermonday is fine11:05
lelkneralfaro_okay, last item?11:06
jelkneri'll bring that up in class on tuesday and get back to you11:06
jelknerzOnny, remind me to do that please ;-)11:06
mjsir911Unfortunately the queue gets wiped at 10:3011:07
zOnnyof course. Jelkner11:07
ubuntouristmjsir911, Ah. good to know.11:07
mjsir911The last item was using cryptocurrency to pay the ppl in el salvador?11:07
lelkneralfaro_like bitcoin?11:07
mjsir911ubuntourist, I use to check the items11:07
mjsir911And I have a few quick links for this topic11:08
replaceafilljelkner, i don't think that'll work yet11:08
jelkneri just got an account on coinbase11:08
replaceafilljelkner, our financial system is still in the stone age unfortunately11:08
jelknerare you sure?11:08
mjsir911 & fees:
jelknerlet's look into it11:09
jelknerwe need to be ever looking for the cheapest way to move funds11:09
replaceafilli agree11:09
jelknerok, more on that later11:09
mjsir911I'm not sure what we mean by our financial system is in the stone age, but from a quick overview the coinbase transfers seem pretty simple11:09
lelkneralfaro_not that the cost is unimportant11:10
lelkneralfaro_but the legality of the situation is what is of concern11:10
replaceafillmjsir911, i meant that we our banks don't even take electronic transfers yet 11:10
replaceafillmjsir911, just wired old transfers11:10
mjsir911Ah I see11:11
jelknerok, let's investigate11:11
lelkneralfaro_that it for today?11:11
lelkneralfaro_ACTION drops the bag of gravel11:12
ubuntouristmjsir911, zOnny See you in a few minutes.11:12
jelknersee you all next week!11:12
replaceafillthanks everybody11:12
replaceafillmr_german, ok11:12
replaceafillmr_german, what's the EXACT situation11:12
jelknermr_german, replaceafill ping me when there is something to look at11:12
jelknerby email11:12
replaceafilljelkner, sure11:12
jelkneri need to get back to statistical correlations ;-)11:12
mr_germanreplaceafill, tell me11:12
ubuntouristmjsir911, zOnny (I'll head downstairs in about 4 minutes.)11:12
jelknerACTION signs off11:13
mjsir911ubuntourist make it 1011:13
replaceafillmr_german, can you push your current changes to the ora repository NOW?11:13
replaceafillmr_german, please...11:13
ubuntouristmjsir911, zOnny Got it. 11:23 it shall be.11:13
mr_germanreplaceafill, done11:16
replaceafillmr_german, what's is this supposed to be?11:17
replaceafillmr_german, i only see this:11:17
mr_germanreplaceafill, that's what I have for now, I'm working on that right now11:18
replaceafilloh dear...11:18
replaceafillmr_german, so you haven't even copied the current content yet?11:19
replaceafillmr_german, ?11:20
mr_germanreplaceafill, no but, I can do that fast11:21
replaceafillmr_german, ok11:22
replaceafillmr_german, can i call you?11:22
mr_germanreplaceafill, mm yeah11:22
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