IRC log of #novawebdev for Sunday, 2018-02-04

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mr_germangood morning lelkneralfaro nrcerna 10:15
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lelkneralfarogood morning mr_german and nrcerna10:16
nrcernagood morning lelkneralfaro 10:16
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lelkneralfaro!remind updates on HAF and EG campaign10:19
Big_Brother"updates on HAF and EG campaign" added to message queue10:19
jelknerwhois mjsir911 mjsir911 10:20
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lelkneralfaro!remind this quarter's taxes filed on time and all past due files taxed10:21
Big_BrotherInvalid arguments: No closing quotation.10:21
lelkneralfaro!remind this quarters taxes filed on time and all past due files taxed10:21
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jelkner!remind Brief discussion of Monday's ORA SC meeting10:22
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jelkner!remind Brief discussion of Monday\'s ORA SC meeting10:23
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Big_BrotherFYI: Gallaudet contract signed, sealed, delivered (I'm theirs) to misquote Stevie Wonder ;-)10:30
lelkneralfaroGood morning everyone!10:30
replaceafillgood morning everybody10:30
lelkneralfarothe first item, which is from ubuntourist comes from last week anyway10:30
lelkneralfaroso we can skip it10:30
nrcernaGood morning10:30
jelknertop a the mornin all10:30
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lelkneralfaroso the next update is mine10:31
lelkneralfaroon HAF10:31
lelkneralfarono word from them, so i doubt that is moving forward10:31
lelkneralfaroI'll push once more this week10:31
lelkneralfaroand give it a last shot10:31
jelknerthen just wait10:31
jelknerthey'll contact us when it becomes important to them10:32
jelknerand under the law of murphy, that will be at the most inconvenient time10:32
jelknerbut so it is10:32
lelkneralfarohaha cool. so it is10:32
lelkneralfaroElizabeth Guzman's office got swamped last week10:33
lelkneralfarobecause she was offered the state of union response10:33
lelkneralfaroso their website development probably went down on their list of priorities10:33
lelkneralfarowhich is why you didnt get any word from me mr_german 10:34
mr_germanmr_german, oh10:34
mr_germanlelkneralfaro, *10:34
lelkneralfarobut I'll call them tomorrow, get an update and see if we can get the ball rolling10:34
mr_germanlelkneralfaro, yeah, because I was waiting the green line10:34
ubuntouristGet video and transcript of speech... (Well, ask if she'd like it on the web...)10:35
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, for sure, i think they could be doing good stuff with their website10:35
lelkneralfarobut some people out their in the world are still behind on understanding the internet as a valuable resource10:35
lelkneralfaroso on to my last point10:36
lelkneralfaroI spent last week filing all of our required tax forms10:36
lelkneralfaroso we got all of this quarter's forms filed on time10:37
jelknerif there is some brief summary that would be enlightening to the rest of us, lelkneralfaro, please share that10:38
lelkneralfaroand we had some past due files from a number of quarters ago that needed to be entered, which I filed and paid penalites10:38
ubuntouristDoes that include DC? Or is the stuff you're talking about only affecting VA taxes?10:39
lelkneralfarobrief summary... there are income taxes and unemployment taxes that have to be filed with different departments in different states10:39
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, DC10:39
lelkneralfaroi had to set up our account with the district, which I did a few months ago, but I didn't get up to date on all of our taxes and forms until this past week10:39
jelkneri was more speaking of the shares stuff you just asked me about10:40
jelknerour governance10:40
jelknerand ownership10:40
jelknerwhat makes us a real democratically run worker owned cooperative10:40
jelknerthat's the stuff we will all need to be educated on10:40
lelkneralfarookay, so I discovered through going through our files10:41
lelkneralfarothat we are an s-corporation (not 100% sure, but pretty confident)10:41
lelkneralfaroincorporated in 201210:41
lelkneralfarowe are a company with 5000 shares10:42
lelkneralfaroI was told before that we are an LLC10:42
lelkneralfarowhich is partly true, because we are taxed as an LLC10:42
jelknerby the idiot who started this mess ;-)10:42
ubuntourist(LLC = Limited Liability Corporation. Meaning the company screws up, there is a limit to the amount of pain.)10:43
lelkneralfaromeaning that only personal income is taxed and we aren't taxed on the corporate level10:43
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, thanks. sorry about not clarifying10:43
lelkneralfaroyeah it means that if we were to get sued as a company10:44
lelkneralfarothey can't dig into people's personal pocketbooks10:44
jelknerwe will need to understand how our Salvadoran partners do their stuff, too10:44
lelkneralfarojelkner, for sure10:44
lelkneralfarowell, back to the co-op thing10:45
lelkneralfaroso, I was mistaken when I started a few months back and I attempted to read VA code and understand laws on cooperatives10:45
lelkneralfarobut after some more months experience I could better understand10:45
lelkneralfaroI'm pretty sure that we can actually be a formal cooperative, recognized by the state as such10:46
lelkneralfaroand able to put cooperative in our name10:46
lelkneralfaroif we do the right things10:46
lelkneralfarofirst off. a co-op needs 5 member/owners10:46
lelkneralfaroand a co-op is supposed to abide by cooperative principles, written up in their bylaws10:47
lelkneralfaroand the cooperative is supposed to have scheduled meetings which are recorded...10:48
jelknerubuntourist and i took baby steps along that path before10:48
lelkneralfaronot just our weekly meetings10:48
ubuntourist(Previously, we looked at the bylaws of HacDC and FreeGeek, both of which have bylaws in a wiki.)10:48
lelkneralfarobut formal corporate meetings10:48
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, yes, I will be doing some digging10:49
jelknerlelkneralfaro, these weekly meetings should become our formal cooperative meetings10:49
jelknerthat's the main goal of them10:49
jelknerdevelopment work gets done at other times10:49
lelkneralfarojelkner, we might be able to schedule them at the same time10:49
ubuntourist(This is where some IRCbots have been good: Auto-formatting meeting notes for repurposing.)10:49
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, for sure, the technology will definitely help in that respect10:50
jelknerwe just need to get mjsir911 to teach Big_Brother some more tricks10:50
lelkneralfarojelkner, to your point about the meetings, I don't yet know all the rules about how the meetings are to be conducted, but we'll want to start following them once we know how10:50
ubuntouristThe Ubuntu DC LoCo used such a 'bot, which MAY still be out on the loco's channel, though probably obsolete.10:51
lelkneralfaroone final point on my end10:52
lelkneralfaromy work for this month is going to be putting together and executing a research plan on all of our legal and tax requirements10:53
lelkneralfaroand I've started talking to a friend about investors and business financing10:53
lelkneralfarojust so that I can have a better understanding of how this all works 10:54
lelkneralfaroand get some ideas about where to look 2 months from now10:54
lelkneralfaroI haven't been quite diligent and organized enough about my work plan in these matters10:55
lelkneralfaroso I'll improve this month10:55
lelkneralfaroand keep you all up-to-date10:56
lelkneralfarothat's it for me10:56
lelkneralfarowe only have four more minutes, but if anyone has any questions and wants to stay a bit longer that's cool with me10:56
lelkneralfaroup to you all10:56
lelkneralfaroor, if no questions and people want to provide their own updates10:57
lelkneralfarothat sounds good too10:57
lelkneralfarookay... in that case10:58
lelkneralfaroACTION drops the bag of gravel10:58
jelknernrcerna, do you have a few minutes?10:58
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, any news from AEA about their "real" election?10:58
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, thanks for reminding me10:59
lelkneralfaroI had the same question for jelkner10:59
lelkneralfaronone from me10:59
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, no news that is10:59
jelkneri don't know, lelkneralfaro 10:59
jelknerthey communicate more with you than with me10:59
jelkneri can call and ask tomorrow10:59
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, ok10:59
nrcernayes replaceafill 10:59
lelkneralfarojelkner, did you speak with ingrid last week?11:00
nrcernasorry i was getting water 11:00
jelknerlelkneralfaro, no11:00
jelknernot about when11:00
nrcernasorry jelkner 11:00
jelknernrcerna, i wanted to ask you something before lelkneralfaro goes to the ora sc tomorrow.11:00
jelkner(our revolution arlington steering committee)11:01
jelknerwe have a cooperative economics committee11:01
jelknerand we met last week11:01
jelknerin investigating what would make a viable cooperative business in arlington, the idea of a print shop came up11:02
nrcernajelkner, rigth now I have to go out, can we talk this via hangout?11:02
jelknerit isn't pressing11:02
jelknerwe can talk later11:02
jelknertalk to you later, nrcerna 11:03
jelknerreplaceafill, do you have a minute?11:03
ubuntouriston #ubuntu-us-dc there is a "user" meetingology.  That's the 'bot.11:03
nrcernaok jelkner 11:03
replaceafilljelkner, yes11:03
jelkneras lelkneralfaro spends the month gathering info on our business and how to make it a legal cooperative11:04
jelknercan you talk with team guanaco to get a sense of what they are all thinking?11:04
jelknerwe have a chance to talk a lot more informally here11:05
jelknerwe have breakfast together on sunday mornings11:05
jelknerhang out a lot together11:05
replaceafilljelkner, thinking about?11:05
jelknerdo they aspire to be owner operators of a us cooperative enterprise?11:06
jelknerhave they given any thought to what that means?11:06
replaceafilljelkner, oh ok11:06
ubuntourist(For more info, join that channel, and issue "/msg meetingology list Meetbot" and from there "/msg meetingology help Meetbot <command>" where <command> is one of those listed in the previous list message.)11:06
replaceafilljelkner, we've talked about that in the past11:06
jelknerbut as we learn more this month and it gets more concrete11:06
jelkneryou will need to talk about it again11:07
replaceafilljelkner, they should express themselves but my feeling is that mr_german doesn't quite get the idea and nrcerna is interested11:07
replaceafilljelkner, one thing we should note is that their W7 application didn't work11:07
jelknerwhat does that mean?11:08
replaceafilljelkner, that if at some point they require a ITIN number for tax purposes11:08
replaceafilljelkner, they'll need to start the whole process again11:08
jelknerdo you know why it didn't work?11:08
replaceafilljelkner, no11:08
jelkner"at some point" is fast approaching11:09
replaceafilljelkner, i asked lelkneralfaro to call the IRS last week11:09
replaceafilljelkner, for mr_german's visa appointment11:09
replaceafilljelkner, the IRS said there's no info about mr_german's application11:09
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, yeah they said no info11:09
replaceafilljelkner, and that was mid year last year11:09
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, but not that it was rejected11:09
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, sure, but based on my own case they should have given you the ITIN by now11:10
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, mr_german, jelkner, so i don't know what sup with that11:10
jelknerhow can we find out?11:11
lelkneralfaroI think I did what I could11:11
lelkneralfarothey said they had no info11:11
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro and doing this kind of thing from here feels like a gamble11:11
jelknerwhat do you mean, replaceafill?11:11
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro your application can easily be dropped/lost in transit, etc11:11
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, yes i know the feeling11:11
jelknerso what do we do?11:11
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro without you really knowing11:12
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, I'm sure the lack of certainty is unsettling11:12
jelkneri guess we just keep good records11:12
jelknerand keep resubmitting11:12
jelkneruntil it gets through11:12
lelkneralfarojelkner, well it seemed to me that his name was on file11:12
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro if we could submit the applications from VA11:13
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro i think that'll help to know their status better11:13
jelknerlet's do it11:13
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro because Salvadorean mail takes MONTHS to work11:13
jelknercan you fill out the form and give it to lelkneralfaro 11:13
jelknersend us a PDF11:13
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro i got the original letter 3 months after i got my ITIN11:13
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro we should try that11:14
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro hopefully mailing something is not that expensive there11:14
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro it costs $50 a try for mr_german and nrcerna from here11:14
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, yeah we can send it in again11:15
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, cool, let's plan that for the next week or so11:15
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, jelkner i'll talk to mr_german and nrcerna about it11:15
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, great. 11:15
replaceafilljelkner, and i can bring up the coop theme again with them at that time11:16
mr_germanreplaceafill, so, we have to do it again?11:19
replaceafillmr_german, probably11:19
replaceafillmr_german, but lelkneralfaro will help us this time11:20
mr_germanreplaceafill, oh ok11:20
replaceafillok, i need to go out for a couple of hours11:21
replaceafillthank you guys, see you soon11:22
mr_germanreplaceafill, see you tomorrow11:22
replaceafilllater mr_german11:22
mr_germancya later guys11:23
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