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jelkner | ping replaceafill | 10:39 |
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replaceafill | jelkner, pong | 10:39 |
jelkner | any chance we could hangout at 12:45 pm? | 10:40 |
replaceafill | jelkner, i think so | 10:40 |
replaceafill | jelkner, topic of the hangout? | 10:40 |
jelkner | i would like to discuss tendenci theming, zOnny's schedule, and nea4or website improvements | 10:40 |
replaceafill | jelkner, ah ok | 10:40 |
jelkner | 3:15 pm would also work if you prefer it | 10:41 |
replaceafill | jelkner, i talked to zOnny yesterday, we need to set him a proper dev environment *now* | 10:41 |
jelkner | i'm here until 9 pm tonight, and available until 7 pm | 10:41 |
replaceafill | jelkner, 12:45 pm works for me | 10:41 |
jelkner | by "we" we mean mjsir911 | 10:41 |
jelkner | ;-) | 10:41 |
replaceafill | jelkner, *we* can use any help :) | 10:42 |
jelkner | since he and zOnny work closely together | 10:42 |
replaceafill | jelkner, but it has to be zOnny's laptop | 10:42 |
jelkner | right | 10:42 |
jelkner | mjsir911 and zOnny are in the same room at the same time | 10:42 |
jelkner | so they both have direct access to zOnny's laptop | 10:43 |
jelkner | that's why i think mjsir911 is the man for the job | 10:43 |
replaceafill | jelkner, cool, i was thinking of working with zOnny on that but if mjsir911 has the time, i'd appreciate the help | 10:43 |
mjsir911 | just point me at the instructions for setup and I'm glad to help him out | 10:44 |
replaceafill | mjsir911, https://tendenci.readthedocs.io/en/latest/installation/installation.html | 10:44 |
mjsir911 | thanks | 10:44 |
jelkner | btw, replaceafill, mjsir911 has some crazy apache hack he needs to share with you ;-) | 10:45 |
replaceafill | i checked with zOnny yesterday and his laptop has 8 GB of RAM and 2 GB of swap | 10:45 |
replaceafill | so it should be able to handle the initial migration that tendenci does | 10:46 |
replaceafill | jelkner, mjsir911 please share :) | 10:46 |
mjsir911 | So I've been experimenting with `*.git.nationalhospital.com` | 10:46 |
mjsir911 | previously it worked but it was really slow and really hackish | 10:46 |
mjsir911 | you can insert any hash or branch as a subdomain to that domain and it will serve the website at that point | 10:47 |
replaceafill | mjsir911, to point each state domain to the right files, right? | 10:47 |
replaceafill | mjsir911, ah | 10:47 |
mjsir911 | yea this was mainly to help get zOnny away from using students.gctaa.net as a testing grounds to show stuff to rick | 10:48 |
mjsir911 | and also to get him to use git more | 10:48 |
mjsir911 | I've just found a better way to do it, and I was considering wrapping it all up in an ansible playbook | 10:48 |
replaceafill | mjsir911, do you have the "hack" documented somewhere? | 10:49 |
replaceafill | mjsir911, that would be good | 10:49 |
mjsir911 | I haven't made any documentation yet, but I can create a really informal process of what I've done with the playbook | 10:49 |
replaceafill | mjsir911, the playbook itself would be documentation at that point :) | 10:50 |
mjsir911 | yea, but what I was trying previously (that turned out to be really bad) was run the entire subdomain through a bash cgi script | 10:50 |
replaceafill | mjsir911, how did you solve it at the end? | 10:51 |
mjsir911 | I've found a way to insert some code between apache getting the request and serving the request | 10:51 |
replaceafill | mjsir911, a la middleware? | 10:52 |
mjsir911 | Yea sorta, but it definitely wasn't intended for what I'm using it for | 10:52 |
mjsir911 | https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/rewrite/rewritemap.html#prg | 10:52 |
mjsir911 | It's intended to provide a programmatic way to rewrite the URL, and I've used it for running various git commands instead | 10:53 |
replaceafill | i wasn't even aware of the RewriteMap directive :D | 10:54 |
mjsir911 | yea it's buried and the documentation isnt 100% correct but it works | 10:54 |
replaceafill | mjsir911, let me know when you have it documented, looks very interesting | 10:57 |
mjsir911 | yea will do | 10:58 |
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louisea | hello | 12:40 |
louisea | I'm trying to check the logs http://novawebdevelopment.com/2018-02-14.log.html | 12:40 |
louisea | but I'm getting a 404 error | 12:41 |
louisea | can anyone help me out so that I can see yesterday's log? | 12:42 |
jelkner | replaceafill, i have a student here | 12:44 |
jelkner | can we meet in 20 minutes? | 12:45 |
replaceafill | jelkner, sure | 12:45 |
jelkner | thanks | 12:45 |
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replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, sorry i missed your question earlier | 13:04 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, you can access the irc logs here: | 13:04 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, novawebdevelopment.com/irclogs/ | 13:04 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, you need the trailing slash | 13:05 |
lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, ahhh. thanks :) | 13:05 |
jelkner | replaceafill, is now good? | 13:07 |
replaceafill | jelkner, sure | 13:07 |
jelkner | actually, here is probably better, since it will go in the logs | 13:08 |
replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 13:08 |
replaceafill | ACTION puts his headset away | 13:08 |
jelkner | ok, things are moving again with nea4or | 13:08 |
jelkner | so i will want / need our tendenci to work better | 13:09 |
jelkner | i have user stories, and will add more as soon as we are ready | 13:09 |
jelkner | i've been invited to join a lunch with teachers and ben jelous on 2/25 | 13:09 |
jelkner | and my union president is asking about our plans for the vea convention | 13:10 |
jelkner | then comes the big event in minniapolis in july | 13:10 |
jelkner | where i hope we end up with hundreds of new member from across the county | 13:10 |
jelkner | country | 13:10 |
jelkner | so, what will it take to get zOnny ready to be the style guy on this? | 13:11 |
jelkner | as you know, it ui is a mess | 13:11 |
jelkner | and we agreed earlier it is all about CSS to fix that | 13:11 |
replaceafill | jelkner, yes, themes | 13:12 |
jelkner | lelkneralfaro, i called rena yesterday and left her a message | 13:12 |
jelkner | she is mia at present, so we need to plan without her | 13:12 |
jelkner | i see zOnny every day | 13:12 |
jelkner | and his skills are growing at a rapid rate | 13:12 |
jelkner | he is really starting to make beautiful websites | 13:13 |
jelkner | (i credit replaceafill and nrcerna for helping with his recent growth) | 13:13 |
jelkner | all i need from you is direction | 13:13 |
jelkner | you met with zOnny yesterday | 13:13 |
jelkner | what did you decide about his schedule and priorities? | 13:14 |
replaceafill | jelkner, his first task is moving from developing on a remote server to be able to develop in his own laptop | 13:14 |
replaceafill | jelkner, because i wanted to save him some pain some time ago and his laptop wasn't able to handle the loadd | 13:15 |
jelkner | mjsir911 will work with him on that today at 1:40 pm | 13:15 |
replaceafill | jelkner, i decided to create a testing instance for him | 13:15 |
replaceafill | jelkner, that has worked up to a point | 13:15 |
replaceafill | jelkner, but him having "unpushed" fixes in that server raised a red flag | 13:15 |
replaceafill | jelkner, if he's going to be the Tendenci theming expert in the theme | 13:16 |
replaceafill | jelkner, we need him to be as familiar with Tendenci as possible | 13:16 |
jelkner | +1 | 13:16 |
jelkner | he wants to do that | 13:16 |
replaceafill | jelkner, he knows basic themeing things | 13:16 |
replaceafill | jelkner, like switching themes | 13:16 |
jelkner | he will need a lot of support | 13:17 |
replaceafill | jelkner, a bit about jinja templates | 13:17 |
jelkner | but he works hard and he is learning fast | 13:17 |
replaceafill | jelkner, the current struggle is learning django way of doing things | 13:17 |
replaceafill | jelkner, how you can override specific parts of one existing app like Tendenci | 13:17 |
replaceafill | jelkner, and not copy/paste solutions that Tendenci already has | 13:18 |
replaceafill | jelkner, i've been telling him how expensive is to maintain such a process | 13:18 |
jelkner | so this is (as usual) a question of best allocating our very limited resources | 13:18 |
replaceafill | jelkner, but his django knowdlege is still relatively limited, so he feels overwhelmed sometimes | 13:19 |
jelkner | i am not surprised he is overwhelmed | 13:19 |
replaceafill | jelkner, i can help with that | 13:19 |
jelkner | we are overwhelming him | 13:19 |
replaceafill | jelkner, but the first step is him being able to push to gitlab in the first place! | 13:19 |
replaceafill | jelkner, again, my bad :) | 13:19 |
jelkner | remember, he has 1 1/2 years experience now | 13:19 |
replaceafill | jelkner, sure i understand | 13:20 |
jelkner | and started from no experience at all | 13:20 |
replaceafill | jelkner, and i'm really impressed with his progress too | 13:20 |
replaceafill | jelkner, so my plan is something like: | 13:20 |
replaceafill | jelkner, make zOnny to understand how to set up Tendenci locally | 13:20 |
replaceafill | jelkner, that's very important because the NEA4OR and ORA setups are different | 13:21 |
replaceafill | jelkner, so he needs to be aware of that | 13:21 |
jelkner | cool | 13:21 |
replaceafill | jelkner, so we agreed on doing that today | 13:22 |
jelkner | that is top agenda item for mjsir911 and zOnny this afternoon | 13:22 |
replaceafill | jelkner, either me helping him or mr_german | 13:22 |
replaceafill | jelkner, oops i meant Marco | 13:22 |
replaceafill | jelkner, yes | 13:22 |
jelkner | or mr_german | 13:22 |
jelkner | i am only suggesting mjsir911 because they are in the same physical space | 13:23 |
replaceafill | jelkner, mr_german did this differently some time ago | 13:23 |
replaceafill | jelkner, i'm not sure how much he "remembers" about it | 13:23 |
jelkner | fine | 13:23 |
replaceafill | jelkner, sure, that works | 13:23 |
jelkner | we need to get everyone doing it the replaceafill way | 13:23 |
replaceafill | jelkner, and i'll be here | 13:23 |
jelkner | the one true way! ;-) | 13:23 |
replaceafill | jelkner, i can answer questions | 13:23 |
replaceafill | jelkner, well, to be honest i'm not even sure what's the true way :( | 13:23 |
replaceafill | jelkner, i'm just learning too along the ride | 13:24 |
jelkner | for now, you're way is the true way | 13:24 |
replaceafill | jelkner, but i do have an important question for you | 13:24 |
jelkner | whether it is or not | 13:24 |
jelkner | since we need to be on the same page | 13:24 |
replaceafill | jelkner, maybe we can hangout later to talk about | 13:24 |
jelkner | and only you can decide which page that is | 13:24 |
jelkner | i can hangout now if you like | 13:24 |
replaceafill | jelkner, what's the long term plan for these instances if we close operations on April | 13:24 |
replaceafill | jelkner, sure, let me grab my headset | 13:25 |
jelkner | before you get your headset | 13:25 |
jelkner | is it the long term plan you want to discuss? | 13:26 |
replaceafill | jelkner, yes | 13:26 |
replaceafill | jelkner, i just want to know | 13:26 |
replaceafill | jelkner, how do you plan to distribute "load" | 13:26 |
jelkner | i think we should do that here again | 13:26 |
replaceafill | jelkner, who's going to be responsible of what? | 13:26 |
jelkner | and bring lelkneralfaro into the conversation | 13:26 |
replaceafill | jelkner, sure | 13:26 |
lelkneralfaro | lelkneralfaro, replaceafill im here | 13:27 |
lelkneralfaro | sorry jelkner, replaceafill | 13:27 |
replaceafill | :) | 13:27 |
jelkner | so, i think about this all the time | 13:27 |
jelkner | so i can quickly sum up my thoughts | 13:27 |
jelkner | and get your feedback / input | 13:27 |
jelkner | here goes | 13:27 |
jelkner | Facts on the ground | 13:28 |
jelkner | 1. We have a contract with Gallaudet U. that will keep us around for at least a year, probably two | 13:28 |
jelkner | 2. We are beginning to bring in small jobs that could keep some of us (mr_german, nrcerna, zOnny) working part time indefinitely | 13:29 |
jelkner | 3. The only "shutting down" we are facing is our core developer and business manager, who, without funding, we can't keep full time. | 13:30 |
lelkneralfaro | jelkner, is that everything or are you still typing? | 13:32 |
jelkner | nick wheeler just called | 13:32 |
jelkner | so i was taken away from typing | 13:33 |
jelkner | but that is basically it | 13:33 |
jelkner | a lot depends on lelkneralfaro | 13:33 |
jelkner | if we can get business load to keep going | 13:33 |
jelkner | by that i mean the two of you | 13:33 |
jelkner | i think we need the two of you to have a real chance to become viable | 13:34 |
replaceafill | jelkner, sure, i'm just trying to picture worst possible scenario | 13:34 |
jelkner | but we won't "shut down" in any case | 13:34 |
jelkner | worst case in my mind looks like this: | 13:34 |
lelkneralfaro | jelkner, can I pause you? | 13:34 |
jelkner | sure | 13:34 |
lelkneralfaro | can the services we are currently providing to ORA, NEA4OR, be kept up without replaceafill | 13:35 |
lelkneralfaro | ? | 13:35 |
jelkner | yes | 13:36 |
replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro that would be my "dreamed worst case scenario" | 13:36 |
jelkner | and that should be our goal | 13:36 |
replaceafill | jelkner, great we're on the same page, but i need your guidance on something else | 13:37 |
replaceafill | jelkner, if we want that to happen | 13:37 |
jelkner | replaceafill won't disappear off the planet | 13:37 |
jelkner | he will just need another job | 13:37 |
replaceafill | jelkner, well, suppose i do | 13:37 |
replaceafill | jelkner, i mean | 13:37 |
replaceafill | jelkner, yes | 13:37 |
jelkner | i'm assuming that he will still be available for ad hoc work for pay | 13:37 |
replaceafill | jelkner, but we want zOnny to be prepared to work on his own, right? | 13:37 |
replaceafill | jelkner, yes | 13:38 |
jelkner | in small chunks when funding is availalbe | 13:38 |
replaceafill | jelkner, i understand | 13:38 |
jelkner | as much as possible | 13:38 |
replaceafill | jelkner, but *i* want zOnny to be autonomous | 13:38 |
jelkner | but i don't expect that to be fully possible | 13:38 |
replaceafill | is that a word?!! | 13:38 |
jelkner | yes, it's a word | 13:38 |
jelkner | but we also have mjsir911 | 13:38 |
replaceafill | jelkner, yes, i know | 13:38 |
jelkner | and ubuntourist | 13:38 |
replaceafill | jelkner, but let's focus on zOnny for the moment | 13:39 |
jelkner | who could step in more in an emergency | 13:39 |
jelkner | cool | 13:39 |
replaceafill | jelkner, because in my head he's the one who should "specialize" in django | 13:39 |
jelkner | can we continue this very important discussion at 3:15 pm? | 13:39 |
replaceafill | jelkner, because these are most django apps | 13:39 |
jelkner | i have incoming students | 13:39 |
jelkner | and a job to do | 13:39 |
replaceafill | jelkner, oh ok | 13:39 |
jelkner | to be continued | 13:39 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, have a few minutes to discuss the petitions request? | 13:40 |
lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, abs | 13:40 |
lelkneralfaro | olutely | 13:40 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, do you have any idea how often we'll start to get these petition requests? | 13:41 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i remember jelkner saying people mentioned like 3-5 petitions on the last meeting | 13:41 |
lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I do not, jelkner would have the answer to that question | 13:41 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, am i correct? | 13:41 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, ah ok | 13:41 |
lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, you are correct. there were many circulating | 13:41 |
lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, why do you ask though? | 13:42 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, the quickest/dirtiest solution is just to add petition title + link to it | 13:42 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, either on a new separate page in the site | 13:42 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, like a list | 13:42 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, or a dropdown menu | 13:42 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, dropdown menu wouldn't require a separate page | 13:43 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, but it may grow too fast | 13:43 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, and some pages like the APS petition Alison sent | 13:43 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, allow you to embed the petition description in your page | 13:43 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/aps-best-practices-in | 13:43 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, see the left sidebar | 13:44 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, "EMBED THIS PETITION" | 13:44 |
lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I see | 13:45 |
lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, still typing? | 13:45 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, but i think that'd be to expensive to maintain | 13:45 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, but i'm not sure what Alison mean by "Could my petition go up on the website?" | 13:46 |
replaceafill | meant* | 13:46 |
lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I think that Alison just wants a link to it online, at least. | 13:48 |
lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, quick and dirty solutions sound the best to me on this problem. So a page with petitions sounds good | 13:48 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, cool | 13:48 |
lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, forgive me for not having more of a technical understanding | 13:49 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, np | 13:49 |
lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, buy why would the embedding be expensive to maintain? | 13:49 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, because it would require more "design" changes | 13:49 |
lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, ahh, i see what you mean | 13:50 |
lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, yeah we don't want to spend time on that | 13:50 |
lelkneralfaro | ACTION done | 13:50 |
lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, anything else? | 13:51 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, no that's it | 13:51 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i'm going to work on that request ASAP | 13:51 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i'm not sure mr_german or zOnny have the bandwith atm | 13:52 |
lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, cool :) thanks replaceafill | 13:52 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, thank you | 13:52 |
lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, yes I know mr_german is working on Elizabeth's site | 13:52 |
lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, which looks good | 13:52 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, right, and zOnny on the ORA theme for Tendenci | 13:52 |
replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, and i don't think it'll take too long either | 13:53 |
lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, cool thanks for taking it on. | 13:53 |
replaceafill | :) | 13:53 |
lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, talk to you later :) | 13:53 |
replaceafill | later lelkneralfaro | 13:53 |
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jelkner | replaceafill, students have left | 15:19 |
jelkner | is there more we need to discuss? | 15:19 |
replaceafill | jelkner, i think we're in the same page | 15:20 |
jelkner | cool | 15:20 |
replaceafill | jelkner, i'd like to start working towards the dreamed worst case scenario | 15:20 |
replaceafill | jelkner, training zOnny as much as possible in Tendenci | 15:20 |
replaceafill | jelkner, and maybe mr_german on Helios | 15:20 |
jelkner | well let's not work toward the worst case | 15:20 |
replaceafill | jelkner, i mean | 15:20 |
replaceafill | jelkner, for example, here's what i'm thinking | 15:21 |
jelkner | let's think of it as doing things that will pay off in any case | 15:21 |
jelkner | even the worst case | 15:21 |
replaceafill | jelkner, we have some tasks for ORA | 15:21 |
replaceafill | jelkner, i mean django tasks | 15:21 |
replaceafill | jelkner, like comittees or petitions | 15:21 |
replaceafill | jelkner, just an example | 15:21 |
replaceafill | jelkner, i'd like to get zOnny more involved on that | 15:21 |
replaceafill | jelkner, not just on themeing | 15:22 |
jelkner | i'm not so sure i agree with that yet | 15:22 |
replaceafill | jelkner, Marco can also help | 15:22 |
jelkner | let me explain | 15:22 |
jelkner | unless we can keep you working with us full time | 15:22 |
replaceafill | jelkner, otherwise i feel the change is going to be too drastic | 15:22 |
jelkner | new work on our core tool will stop | 15:22 |
jelkner | until such time as lelkneralfaro or whoever is leading business development can find funding | 15:23 |
jelkner | so let's get the best tool we can | 15:23 |
jelkner | which means having you do development | 15:23 |
replaceafill | jelkner, my fear is basically how to pass knowledge quickly enough | 15:23 |
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replaceafill | jelkner, as usual, you get things in this state where one person knows most about them | 15:24 |
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jelkner | and preparing mr_german and zOnny for maintenance work while we continue to seek funding | 15:24 |
replaceafill | jelkner, what i propose is not to give them "full" features to develop, but to guide them along the process | 15:25 |
replaceafill | jelkner, breaking things down in reasonable tasks they can handle | 15:25 |
jelkner | i leave it up to your wise judgment, my friend | 15:25 |
replaceafill | jelkner, but agreeing with them that should be the goal | 15:25 |
jelkner | for now, i have BRAVO work to do | 15:26 |
replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 15:26 |
jelkner | as i work toward my nervous breakdown ;-) | 15:26 |
jelkner | talk soon... | 15:26 |
jelkner | lelkneralfaro, r u here? | 15:26 |
replaceafill | jelkner, later | 15:26 |
jelkner | ACTION just wanted to check with lelkneralfaro about what he thought about my last email. | 15:27 |
zOnny | hello World! | 15:28 |
replaceafill | hey zOnny | 15:31 |
replaceafill | zOnny, you in class? | 15:31 |
zOnny | the class just ended , replaceafill | 15:34 |
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replaceafill | zOnny, i just realized that i got disconnected and checking the logs i notice you answered but i never got your message :( | 16:19 |
replaceafill | zOnny, this is the Tendenci installation procedure i mentioned yesterday, https://tendenci.readthedocs.io/en/latest/installation/installation.html | 16:20 |
zOnny | I have done that process completely with the help of msir911 and now I have tendenci running in my local machine. replaceafill | 16:29 |
replaceafill | zOnny, great, and thanks to mjsir911 for the help | 16:42 |
replaceafill | zOnny, now we need you to set the Our Revolution Arlington theme | 16:43 |
replaceafill | zOnny, which unfortunately is not documented (yet) | 16:43 |
zOnny | so, do you want to hang out to do the next steps? replaceafill | 16:47 |
replaceafill | zOnny, i'm writing the steps for future references: https://docs.google.com/document/d/10mHwrq4P1Mpm3TPA1OUesqCgu-r921X5aoaTptT_BDM/edit | 16:47 |
replaceafill | zOnny, give me 10-20 minutes | 16:48 |
replaceafill | zOnny, don't try the commands yet :) | 16:57 |
zOnny | ok, replaceafill | 16:58 |
replaceafill | zOnny, ok | 17:02 |
replaceafill | zOnny, we can hangout now | 17:03 |
replaceafill | mjsir911, is there a paste service zOnny can use from school? | 17:11 |
zOnny | file:///home/equinteros/Pictures/Screenshot%20from%202018-02-15%2017-14-22.png | 17:14 |
replaceafill | zOnny, https://paste.pound-python.org/ | 17:36 |
zOnny | https://paste.pound-python.org/ | 17:37 |
zOnny | https://paste.pound-python.org/show/VdBH5ac9bJqELbjkj0Gw/ | 17:38 |
zOnny | https://paste.pound-python.org/show/qYS9eFctld10rmT6ltya/ | 17:44 |
zOnny | https://paste.pound-python.org/show/GBXhys9ZVitdZTTYwinF/ | 17:50 |
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replaceafill | zOnny, http://localhost:8000/events/add | 17:58 |
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replaceafill | ACTION signs off for the day | 18:31 |
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jelkner | good night lelkneralfaro mjsir911, i'm signing off... | 20:28 |
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