IRC log of #novawebdev for Thursday, 2018-03-01

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jelknerGood morning, replaceafill!10:53
replaceafillgood morning jelkner10:53
jelknerHow does 4 pm this afternoon sound as a time to try to meetup with mr_german and zOnny?10:54
jelkneri also need to check-in with you regarding the ES account balance.10:54
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replaceafilljelkner, i don't know if mr_german is available at that time10:54
replaceafilljelkner, that's why i tried to use that site...10:55
jelknerokie dokie10:55
replaceafilljelkner, the ES accounting spreadsheet is up to date10:55
jelknerreplaceafill, my NOVA Web Development folder now has 24 subfolders, most of which have subfolders in turn.11:33
jelkneri am a bear for very little brain, and this is starting to confuse and unsettle me11:33
replaceafilljelkner, heh, do you need any help?11:33
jelknera search for "ES accounting" returned nothing11:34
jelknerso i don't know how to find that spreadsheet you speak of11:34
replaceafilljelkner, Company Info -> Contabilidad POES11:34
jelkneroh, and i just forwarded an email from ingrid to mr_german nad me11:34
replaceafilljelkner, you're thinking in "English" ;)11:35
replaceafilljelkner, feel free to rename the files at your convenience11:38
replaceafilljelkner, i just called mr_german and asked him to reply to Ingrid's email11:39
replaceafilljelkner, he said he'll do it shortly after finishing breakfast11:39
jelknerno need11:39
jelkneri am fully aware of POES11:39
jelkneri just didn't think to search for that11:40
jelknerdrats, we are running low11:40
jelknerwe need to be really careful, since I don't have any way to recharge it now11:40
replaceafilljelkner, maybe we should talk finances with the guanaco team11:40
jelknerthe well, my dear friend, is running dry :-(11:40
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replaceafilljelkner, and organize timing accordingly11:40
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jelknerhello, zOnny11:41
zOnnyHi, jelkner11:41
jelknerhow was the field trip?11:41
zOnnyI just got tired walking around the campus jelkner11:43
jelkneri heard from other students that it was nice11:43
jelkneryou can tell me more when you come to class11:43
zOnnynice for those who likes to walk the entire day jelkner11:44
replaceafilljelkner, let me know when you want to meet11:44
jelknerLoL, you need the exercise, zOnny!11:44
jelkner4 pm?11:44
jelkner3:30 pm?11:44
jelkner12:45 pm?11:44
replaceafilljelkner, i meant to talk finances with the guanaco team11:44
jelknerahh11:44
jelkneryou tell me11:45
jelknerany of those times would work for me11:45
jelknertomorrow i have 9:30 to 11, 12:40 to 1:30, and after 4 pm11:46
jelknersunday after our regular meeting also works11:46
jelknerok, just got you email about tomorrow at 5 pm11:47
jelknercan we discuss finances as part of the same meeting?11:47
jelknerthey are related11:47
replaceafilljelkner, i'd rather not11:47
replaceafilljelkner, i was just thinking of talking gitlab with zOnny and mr_german at that time11:47
replaceafilljelkner, we need to organize that better11:47
jelkneroh, you don't need me for that11:47
replaceafilljelkner, i don't think so11:48
jelknerhow long will that run?11:48
jelknercan we meet afterward?11:48
jelkneri'll be home11:48
replaceafilljelkner, around 1 hour i think11:48
jelknerso, can i jump on at 6 pm?11:48
replaceafilljelkner, we need nrcerna in the call too, right?11:48
jelknerif you say "yes", i'll add it to my calendar now.11:49
jelknerit would be helpful11:49
jelkneryes11:49
replaceafilljelkner, let me call her and ask her when she can meet11:49
zOnnyjelkner I saw your email, Is someone doing that ?11:54
jelkneryes, mr_german is working on that11:56
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jelkneroh, cool, all the relevant folks are here for me to ask a question11:56
jelknerreplaceafill, mr_german, zOnny, are we at the place yet with AEA were we are ready to add a small CMS type story?11:57
replaceafilljelkner, CMS type story?11:57
jelknerthat would go like this: "The AEA president and Adminstrative Assistant should be able to add PDF files to the website without assistance"11:58
replaceafilljelkner, and you want zOnny and mr_german to add that capability?11:58
jelkneri don't know, replaceafill11:59
replaceafilljelkner, or do you plan to "migrate" to using a tool?11:59
jelkneri have no idea11:59
jelkneri'm not developer, i just write stories :-(11:59
jelknermy question again comes back to our minimum viable product12:00
jelknerwhat are we going to offer customers that will make our finances self-sustaining?12:00
jelknerperhaps this is cheap enough that we just bill for the little updates that will keep coming in12:01
replaceafilljelkner, do you think they'd be willing to pay $20/h for small changes like this?12:02
jelkneryes, i do12:03
replaceafilljelkner, so maybe the current workflow is good enough12:03
jelknerit could be12:03
jelknerbut then we need to have the conversation with them about what little changes cost12:04
replaceafilljelkner, i'll let zOnny and mr_german to speak for themselves, but i think they're ready12:04
jelknerand the cost can't just include $20 per hour, since someone needs to send the invoice, collect the payment, deposit it, and disperse the funds12:04
jelknerwhich needs to be accounted for in the billing12:04
replaceafilljelkner, indeed12:05
jelknerthat's why we really need lelkneralfaro in on the finance and strategy discussion12:05
replaceafilljelkner, oh12:05
jelknerso if we are meeting at 6 pm, we should invite him as well12:05
replaceafilljelkner, i talked to Natalia12:05
replaceafilljelkner, she can't do it either today or tomorrow12:05
replaceafilljelkner, but sunday works for her12:05
replaceafilljelkner, after the IRC meeting12:06
jelknersunday it is12:06
replaceafilljelkner, cool12:06
jelknermaybe it should be the irc meeting12:06
jelkneractually12:06
jelknersince i can't think of anything else more pressing on our agenda12:06
replaceafilljelkner, oh ok12:06
jelknerthat is the stage we are in now12:06
jelknerlooking at our product, the plans for becoming a real coop (and what that means), and getting a loan to take our product to market12:07
jelknerwe are, of course, still developing our product12:07
jelknerthat is my biggest concern still12:07
jelkneri told lelkneralfaro i will help him market it12:07
jelknerbut there has to be a fairly well developed "it" there to market12:08
jelknerwe are on the right path12:08
jelknerbut still a long way from getting to the end of it12:08
jelknerto that end, i would like to discuss tendenci theming again with replaceafill, mr_german, and zOnny 12:09
jelkneri need to start using NEA4OR12:09
jelknerand it hasn't been themed yet12:09
jelknerso an estimate on that would be a big help12:09
replaceafilljelkner, when do you want us to talk?12:11
replaceafilljelkner, i'm tired of having to be asking zOnny and mr_german for their availability12:11
jelknerwe are all here now12:11
jelknerso, zOnny and mr_german, can you meet today at 4 pm?12:11
replaceafillaccording to my poll, mr_german can't...12:12
jelkneri can also do 12:45 pm12:12
jelknerzOnny, would that work for you?12:12
zOnnyok, jelkner12:13
jelknerreplaceafill, i am hoping that zOnny can do the NEA4OR work12:13
jelknersince i will be the customer and i see him every day12:13
replaceafilljelkner, ok, can he finish his ORA tasks first?12:13
jelkneryou're the boss12:13
replaceafilljelkner, no12:13
replaceafilljelkner, you're the customer12:13
jelknerbut i would like an ERA12:14
replaceafilljelkner, you're the one with priorities!12:14
jelkneroops, ETA12:14
jelkner;-)12:14
replaceafillagile-ish, right jelkner?12:14
jelkneryes, but my main obligation is not to f**k things up for you!!!12:14
replaceafilljelkner, that's why i'm asking :)12:14
zOnnyreplaceafill , do you mean about the bar confirmation task ?12:14
replaceafillzOnny, yes12:15
replaceafillzOnny, this is not in a clear state either: https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/tendenci-theme-ora/merge_requests/212:15
zOnny? 12:16
replaceafillzOnny, and you're supposed to review this: https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/tendenci-theme-ora/merge_requests/512:16
replaceafillzOnny, i say /2 is not in a clear state because of this comment of yours: https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/tendenci-theme-ora/merge_requests/2#note_6065045312:17
zOnnythe dashboard request is already there relaceafill12:18
zOnnyah ok , replaceafill12:18
jelknerso it sounds like we are already having our 12:45 pm meeting, since the goal of that is just to move the product development forward12:20
jelknerwe need several *nice looking* websites to show to our funders12:21
jelknerthey include:12:21
replaceafilljelkner, i'd like to get the ORA project to a clean state before i release the new features12:21
jelkner1. ORA12:21
jelkner2. AEA12:21
jelkner3. NEA4OR12:21
jelkneryes, as a student told me many years ago, "It's all about the look, Mr. Elkner."12:22
replaceafill:)12:22
jelknereven if it doesn't work that well, it has to look good!12:22
replaceafill:/12:22
jelknerthe sad truth about marketing, replaceafill :-(12:22
replaceafilltrue12:23
jelknerour customers won't understand what's under the hood12:23
jelkneronly what they see12:23
jelknerthat said, i need to speak with enthusiasm when i'm pitching our product12:24
jelknerwhich means it really has to do important things for the political revolution12:24
jelknerso i can get excited about it12:24
jelkneri suck at faking that12:24
jelknerjust can't do it12:25
jelknerso we need good looks combined with real functionality ;-)12:25
jelknerfortunately, the tools we are integrating already provide that12:26
jelknerwe just need to learn to integrate them and theme them well12:26
jelknerthat's all i have to say12:26
jelknerno need to meet at 12:45 pm unless other folks have something12:26
replaceafilljelkner, remember scope, cost and time?12:27
jelkneryup12:27
replaceafilljelkner, i usually care about time12:27
replaceafilljelkner, when do you need NEA4OR themed12:27
replaceafilljelkner, and what things do you want to be able with it?12:28
replaceafilljelkner, assumming you're starting from scratch12:28
replaceafilljelkner, which is what themeing is really12:28
jelkneri want to start actively building NEA4OR12:28
jelknerand i need an AMS to do that12:28
jelkneri need to be able to see who is joining and from which states12:29
jelkneri want to start conducting online votes as to direction and policy12:29
jelkneri want to form both state based and issue based committees12:29
jelknersame stuff we are doing with the other instances12:29
replaceafilljelkner, i think i didn't ask correctly12:30
replaceafilljelkner, what specific tasks do you need to be doing on a regular basis with the NEA4OR tendenci instance?12:30
jelkner1. Viewing membership data12:31
jelkner2. Engaging members through the system to make plans and take decisions12:31
replaceafilljelkner, we need these are user stories for zOnny to handle12:32
replaceafills/are/as12:32
jelknerhold on, replaceafill 12:32
jelkneri need to grab my lunch12:33
replaceafilljelkner, sure12:33
zOnnyHey replaceafill12:35
replaceafillhey zOnny12:35
zOnnythe branches that are not in the gitlab but still exist in my local machine.12:36
zOnnycan I delete those ?12:36
replaceafillzOnny, yes12:36
replaceafillzOnny, https://makandracards.com/makandra/621-git-delete-a-branch-local-or-remote12:36
replaceafillzOnny, be careful if you decide to delete things in remotes12:37
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jelkneri'm back, but i need to deal with some pycon prep12:55
replaceafilljelkner, i'll make sure zOnny is able to start with nea4or theming12:56
replaceafilljelkner, but i'll need your help guiding that process12:56
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mr_germanACTION goes to get his lunch13:09
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zOnnyHey replaceafill13:33
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replaceafillhey zOnny14:33
replaceafillzOnny, anything you need?14:33
mr_germanACTION is back14:38
zOnnyhang out at 3:30 replaceafill14:39
replaceafillzOnny, sure14:39
replaceafillACTION goes to get lunch, bb at 3:30 pm14:53
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zOnnyhey replaceafill 15:17
replaceafillACTION is back15:31
replaceafillhey zOnny15:31
zOnnyready ? replaceafill15:32
replaceafillzOnny, yes15:32
replaceafillzOnny, https://github.com/tendenci/tendenci/blob/master/tendenci/templates/default.html#L37-L3915:35
replaceafilljelkner, you around?16:09
mr_germanreplaceafill, I'm out16:35
mr_germansee you later16:35
replaceafillmr_german, ok16:36
replaceafillmr_german, later16:36
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zOnnyhey replaceafill, @mjsir911 solve the problem of my share screen hang out16:40
zOnny*solved16:40
replaceafillzOnny, excelltent!16:45
replaceafillzOnny, did you try it?16:45
zOnnyyep , it works successfuly. replaceafill16:46
replaceafillzOnny, oh, we can test it tomorrow too in our meeting with mr_german16:46
replaceafillzOnny, please remind me of doing that16:46
zOnnyok, replaceafill16:47
replaceafilljelkner, just shot you a quick email17:05
jelknerreplaceafill, just shot you a quick response ;-)17:18
replaceafilljelkner, thanks :)17:20
jelknerOK, the well is running dry, replaceafill, but i did manage to scoop a little muddy water off the bottom ;-)17:21
replaceafilljelkner, wow!17:22
replaceafilljelkner, i'm really grateful to you man17:22
replaceafilljelkner, muddy water!! LOL17:22
jelknerwe got to keep going til we get this ship sailing!17:22
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