IRC log of #novawebdev for Wednesday, 2018-03-21

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jelknerGood morning, replaceafill!12:16
replaceafillgood morning jelkner12:17
jelkneri'm later than i anticipated12:17
jelknerit is snowing here at the end of march12:17
replaceafilljelkner, ah12:17
jelknerand i needed to drive my son to the metro12:17
jelknergo shopping12:17
jelknerbut it's great to have the day off! ;-)12:18
replaceafilljelkner, :D12:18
jelkneri wanted to talk about both novalaciro and nea4or when you have a chance today12:18
jelknersince we have timelines for both that you should be aware of12:19
replaceafilljelkner, i can pause what i'm doing12:19
jelknernot necessary12:19
jelkneri'm home for the rest of the day12:19
jelknerso any time will do12:19
jelkneryou name it12:19
replaceafilljelkner, ah ok12:19
replaceafilljelkner, well, i'm not sure about my afternoon, so i'd rather we talk now12:19
jelknernow is good12:19
jelknerok, should we start with novalaciro?12:20
replaceafilljelkner, sure12:20
jelknerdoes zOnny have everything he needs to update the main site whenever he wants?12:21
replaceafilljelkner, not yet12:21
jelknerhow long would that take12:21
jelknersince it is perhaps my highest priority12:21
jelknernovalaciro is our 1st paying tendenci customer12:22
jelknerand i want to make sure we do it right12:22
replaceafilljelkner, oh12:22
replaceafilljelkner, ok, good to know12:22
jelknerwith daniela working as an organizer12:22
jelknerwe will be getting *a lot* of exposure for that website12:22
jelknerso if we do it right12:22
replaceafilljelkner, i need to research how to do continous deployment involving django12:22
jelknergood things may come of it12:22
replaceafilljelkner, so far we've been doing it with php12:22
replaceafilljelkner, which doesn't require restarting a service12:23
jelknerand, as zOnny mentioned to me, we need to figure out how to make Tendenci bilingual12:23
replaceafilljelkner, yeah12:23
jelknerhe told me that is possible but it is not part of their free offerings12:23
replaceafilljelkner, right12:23
jelknerso that's a big issue for us12:23
jelknerwe will need that, and we will want to be able to offer that feature with free software12:23
jelknernovalaciro *must* be spanish/english bilingual12:24
jelknersimple as that12:24
jelknerif it can't be, it much be spanish only12:24
jelknerand that wouldn't be nearly as good12:24
replaceafilljelkner, what's your estimated timeline for Daniela to pick up content creation?12:25
replaceafilljelkner, i mean, handling the cms12:25
jelknertan pronto que sea posible? :-)12:25
replaceafilljelkner, manager answer...12:25
jelknerhere is the reality on the ground12:25
jelknershe works 20 hours per week until 2nd week in may12:25
jelknerthen she works 40 hours per week12:26
jelknerwe want her recruiting members12:26
jelknerso this saturday she and i will be working on the membership cards12:26
jelknershe is doing the design12:26
jelknerand researching the laminating machine to print them12:26
jelknerzOnny will be working on the membership side of Tendenci12:27
replaceafilljelkner, so you're handling that with a separate software?12:27
replaceafilljelkner, i mean, the cards12:27
jelknerwell, yes and no12:27
jelknerwe are going to use inkscape or something12:27
jelknerand produce a pdf12:27
jelknerthat we can print12:27
replaceafilljelkner, have you considered doing it from Tendenci?12:28
jelkneri had hoped to ask ubuntourist for help with that12:28
jelknerwe would *love* to do it from Tendenci12:28
jelknerit would be a wiz bang feature we could show off12:28
replaceafilljelkner, hhmm12:28
replaceafilljelkner, let me ask you this12:28
replaceafilljelkner, if i *could* switch between developing features for ORA or NOVALACIRO12:29
replaceafilljelkner, what would you prefer me doing at this point?12:29
replaceafilljelkner, i think doing it from Tendenci makes sense12:29
replaceafilljelkner, since it'll have the most updated info (i presume)12:29
jelknerlet me ask you thig12:30
replaceafilljelkner, address/phone changes, etc12:30
jelknerare there any features for ORA that someone is waiting for that will go noticed if they are delayed a bit?12:30
jelkneri don't want to piss anyone off who was counting on us12:30
jelknerbut lacking that, it is a no brainer12:30
replaceafilljelkner, well, the thing is that we promised them at the end of march12:30
jelknernovalaciro is a paying customer12:30
jelknerora is not12:30
replaceafilljelkner, right, that's why i ask12:31
replaceafilljelkner, it's you vs novalaciro imho12:31
replaceafilljelkner, i mean, you as the paying customer in behalf of ORA12:31
replaceafilljelkner, maybe we could push a bit of research for novalaciro12:31
replaceafilljelkner, these three things:12:31
replaceafill1. bilingual cms12:31
replaceafill2. pdf card generation12:31
replaceafill3. continuous deployment12:32
jelknerso, back to my question:12:32
jelkneris there anything ORA is waiting for that will cause anyone pain if it is delayed?12:32
replaceafilljelkner, i'm looking at the stories12:33
replaceafilljelkner, i don't think they are "waiting" on them12:33
replaceafilljelkner, it looks like a "it'd be nice to have them" situation12:33
jelknerthen this is a no brainer12:33
jelknerORA can wait12:34
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, are you around?12:34
replaceafilljelkner, i'd think so too12:34
jelknertheir level of activity is lower than novalaciro12:34
jelknersince novalciro has staff12:34
replaceafilljelkner, just figuring those things would help me mentally a lot12:34
replaceafilljelkner, it's just the "figure out" part12:34
jelknerthat's why i wanted this meeting today12:34
jelknerhere is what i would say12:35
replaceafilljelkner, oh12:35
replaceafilljelkner, i have a 4.12:35
replaceafill4. email redirects12:35
replaceafilljelkner, that's also in my todo12:35
replaceafilljelkner, for novalaciro12:35
replaceafilljelkner, and mr_german is making progress in one of the ORA stories (rsvp)12:35
replaceafilljelkner, so we would have something to show soon to ORA12:36
jelkner1. for the first 3 weeks of april, you should switch to novalaciro as your top priority12:36
jelknerlet mr_german handle that12:36
jelkner2. we also need to be aware of the nea4or deadline12:36
jelknerfast approaching12:36
replaceafilljelkner, that's april too, correct?12:37
jelkneri have filled out the form to get a table12:38
jelknerso VEA Members for Our Revolution will be signing up folks during these 3 days12:38
replaceafilljelkner, ok12:39
jelknerso the website and sign in form need to be ready *before* april 1912:39
jelknerthat is a non-negotiable date12:39
jelknerand would be a huge loss to us if we miss it12:39
replaceafilljelkner, we have an overlapping story between novalaciro and nea4or, 3. continuous deployment12:39
replaceafilljelkner, so zOnny can update them by himself12:39
jelknerand i urge you to please keep training zOnny on all of this12:40
jelknerhe wants to work full time12:40
jelkneri see him every day12:40
replaceafilljelkner, the membership form for nea4or is finished afaik12:40
jelknerso it is really easy for me to work with him on day to day nuts and bolts12:40
replaceafilljelkner, i'm counting on you moving the nea4or theme forward12:40
jelknergot it12:40
replaceafilljelkner, calling the shots on what to theme12:41
jelknerthat's my responsibility12:41
replaceafilljelkner, cool12:41
replaceafilljelkner, so i think i'll switch to point 3. today12:41
replaceafilljelkner, then 1. 2 and 412:42
jelkneri'm calling zOnny to see what his schedule is today12:42
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jelknerreplaceafill, sounds like we are on the same page12:43
jelknerthat's all i have12:44
replaceafilljelkner, yes, oh12:44
jelknerthe next 3 weeks are really important12:44
replaceafilljelkner, last question from me12:44
replaceafilljelkner, about the novalaciro membership fee12:44
replaceafilljelkner, any idea how you'll handle that payment?12:44
jelknerin the short term, let's not let tech get in the way12:44
zOnnyreplaceafill +112:44
replaceafilljelkner, cool12:45
jelknerthe easiest way is for folks to hand $30 to daniela12:45
replaceafilljelkner, but you'd want the fee displayed in the form, yes?12:45
jelknershe will need to be able to mark folks as "paid" in the database12:45
replaceafilljelkner, Tendenci has this "pay in cash - offline" option12:45
jelknercan we decide that on saturday?12:45
replaceafilljelkner, sure12:45
replaceafilljelkner, just let me know ASAP so i can coordinate with zOnny12:45
jelkneractually, our next board meeting is april 712:46
replaceafilljelkner, i already showed zOnny how to approve someone's membership manually, which is what Daniela will need to do12:46
jelknerwe don't have a membership fee yet12:46
replaceafilljelkner, ok12:46
jelknerand can't until the board approves such a thing12:46
zOnnyWe will be ready jelkner12:46
jelkneri've been talking with members individually12:46
zOnnyI have done the memberships form replacaefill12:46
jelknerso i believe we will pass that12:46
jelknerbut is hasn't happened yet12:46
replaceafilljelkner, got it12:47
replaceafillzOnny, your testing site is down12:47
jelknerso daniela's start date for add members is april 812:47
zOnnyoh shoot I forgot replaceafill12:47
replaceafillzOnny, so the plan is that i'd work today on giving you the ability to "push->update"12:47
replaceafillzOnny, like we have for the php apps12:47
replaceafilljelkner, cool12:47
replaceafilljelkner, we have about two weeks to get "ready" :)12:48
zOnnyalive again replaceafill12:48
replaceafillzOnny, you should create the membership form in production12:49
replaceafillzOnny, have you done that yet?12:49
zOnnyyep, I WILL DO THAT right now replaceafill12:49
replaceafillzOnny, cool, if i figure out the update process today, i'll set the theme right away12:49
replaceafillzOnny, and the form should be there12:49
zOnnyI was finishing the documentation that you requested , replaceafill12:49
replaceafillzOnny, great!12:49
replaceafillzOnny, thanks12:50
replaceafilljelkner, i think i'm done12:50
zOnnyso, replaceafill in that case I will pick the cash-offline right ?12:53
replaceafillzOnny, yes, for now12:54
jelknerzOnny, yes, we will do cash in person for now.13:09
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lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, I'm around now? still want to talk?14:18
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, no, i think we're fine14:18
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, cool :)14:18
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replaceafilljelkner, zOnny now the NOVALACIRO website will be updated from each push to the theme branch14:41
replaceafillzOnny, make sure to pull the last commit to your local checkout14:42
zOnnythanks replaceafill14:42
replaceafillzOnny, https://www.novalaciro.org14:42
zOnnyI am almost finishing the members form  in the https://www.novalaciro.org14:43
replaceafillzOnny, cool14:43
replaceafillzOnny, is it me or is the Novalaciro string is overlapping with Issues?14:43
replaceafillzOnny, yeah, it happens in your testing instance too14:44
replaceafillzOnny, when you first load the page14:44
replaceafillzOnny, it goes away when you scroll14:44
zOnnyahh 14:44
replaceafillzOnny, i'll let you solve that ;)14:45
replaceafillzOnny, let me know if your future pushes are not updated14:45
zOnnyof course, replaceafill14:45
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zOnnyjelkner, are you here ?14:49
zOnnyDoes Novalaciro have an email ?14:52
zOnnyHello World ?14:54
replaceafillzOnny, we agreed on using our own server for email14:55
replaceafillzOnny, and that's not done yet14:55
replaceafillzOnny, so, no, it doesn't have email at the moment14:55
replaceafillzOnny, if you want to style the space feel free to use novawebdevelopment@gmail.com14:57
replaceafillzOnny, or support@novawebdevelopment.org14:57
replaceafillzOnny, fancier ;)14:57
zOnnythanks replaceafill15:00
replaceafilljelkner, zOnny all of our Tendenci themes will be automatically deployed now: novalaciro, ora and nea4or15:14
zOnnymy memberships form doesn't look the same ;(15:16
replaceafillzOnny, what do you mean?15:17
replaceafillurls zOnny, urls ;)15:17
replaceafillzOnny, what's wrong with it?15:18
replaceafillzOnny, why is the Payment Method appearing in the form?15:19
replaceafillzOnny, oh, maybe it's the price?15:19
zOnnyfixing replaceafill :(15:19
replaceafillzOnny, kk15:21
replaceafillACTION goes to get lunch, bb in ~1h15:21
replaceafillzOnny, not sure what do you mean by looking the same15:21
replaceafillzOnny, but it looks ok15:22
zOnnywas the price replaceafill15:22
zOnnyabout the deployment replaceafill15:22
zOnnyyou mean that master will deploy directly to prod ?15:22
replaceafillzOnny, yes15:23
replaceafillzOnny, it should at least15:23
replaceafillzOnny, we can discuss later if you need a dev environment15:23
replaceafillzOnny, we could create "dev" branches in the themes15:23
replaceafillzOnny, and "deploy" that to a different server15:23
replaceafillzOnny, like the testing server you've been using15:23
zOnnyyep, I would like to learn how you did it , replaceafill15:24
replaceafillzOnny, but at this point master -> production is fine15:24
replaceafillzOnny, i'll explain one day :D15:24
replaceafillzOnny, the nice part about this is that it's a one time task15:24
zOnnyI will be here, for that day replaceafill15:24
replaceafillzOnny, and usually you just forget about it15:24
replaceafillzOnny, :)15:24
replaceafillok, lunch time15:25
zOnnyenjoy your meal , replaceafill15:25
jelknerzOnny, are you here?15:40
jelknerzOnny, please tell me as soon as the amount is changed to $nn.nn15:45
jelknerand the menu at the top is fixed15:45
jelkneri'm going to email the board to show them our progress15:45
jelknerzOnny, are you here?15:47
jelknerone other thing, please update the home page to have the full draft mission statement15:47
zOnnyI am here :)15:49
jelknerso please let me know when those 3 things are done15:49
jelknerso i can email the board15:49
jelknerand show them the site15:49
jelkneri'm going to tell them that we are working on making the site bilingual15:49
jelknerand plan to have that in place by april 7th15:50
zOnnyok,  jelkner15:50
zOnnyjelkner the begining of the second pharagraph, is the spelling good?   15:56
jelknerzOnny, what spelling?16:09
jelkneri'm confused16:09
jelknerfor right now, just include the text as written on the home page16:09
jelknerreplaceafill, ping16:12
replaceafilljelkner, pong16:16
jelknerdo you know how to make hexchat notify you when someone types your username?16:16
zOnny raison d'être ?16:16
jelkneryes, zOnny16:16
zOnnyok , jelkner16:17
jelknerthat's a French work that is now an English word also16:17
jelknerit means "reason for being"16:17
replaceafillrazón de ser16:17
replaceafilljelkner, no, i don't use hexchat16:17
jelknerokie dokie16:17
replaceafilljelkner, xchat does it automatically16:17
jelknerperhaps i should switch to xchat?16:18
jelkneri wonder why ubuntu changed the default to hexchat?16:18
jelkneri'll ask around before i switch16:18
jelknerbut since we rely on irc so much16:18
jelknerthanks, replaceafill, i read the docs in the app16:19
jelknerbut couldn't find it16:19
jelkneri usually hate notifications16:19
jelknerbut the one exception i am willing to make is for irc ;-)16:19
jelknercrap, that's windows16:20
jelkneri'm on ubuntu16:20
jelknernever mind16:21
jelkneri see it16:21
replaceafilljelkner, :)16:21
jelkneri need to pick a sound file16:21
jelknerand put it in ~/.config/hexchat/sounds16:22
replaceafilljelkner, fwiw there's also a hexchat-indicator package in 16.0416:23
replaceafilljelkner, not sure what it does16:23
replaceafilljelkner, lol, that's a loooong notification :D16:24
jelkneri'll use audacity to cut it down a bit ;-)16:24
jelknerreplaceafill, type something16:32
replaceafilljelkner, something16:33
jelknernow try without the jelkner16:33
jelknernow it beeps for any message16:33
jelkneri gotta change that16:33
jelknersorry to bother you about this, replaceafill, but can we try again please?16:34
replaceafilljelkner, sure16:34
jelknerthanks, man16:34
jelknerit works16:34
replaceafilljelkner, np16:34
jelknerACTION goes back to work and awaits notice from zOnny 16:35
zOnnydid you read you email replaceafill ?16:35
replaceafillzOnny, hm?16:36
zOnnyHey replaceafill I am trying to change the memeberships form content16:41
replaceafillzOnny, and?16:42
zOnnyIt didn't work  replaceafill16:44
replaceafillzOnny, what did you try to do?16:44
replaceafillzOnny, and what did you get instead?16:44
zOnnyI am trying to change the price $30.00 to $dd.dd replaceafill16:46
replaceafillzOnny, price is an integer field16:46
replaceafillzOnny, no, decimal16:46
replaceafillzOnny, you won't be able to change it to letters16:46
zOnnyyep, replaceafill16:46
zOnnyit didn't accept letters you right16:47
replaceafillzOnny, jelkner what's wrong with using $0.00 for now?16:48
jelknerwhat's wrong with $nn.nn ?16:48
replaceafilljelkner, it's a numeric field16:48
jelknerfine 016:49
replaceafillzOnny, there you go :)16:49
jelknerbtw. that beep is most helpful!16:49
jelkneri'll have to work with zOnny to set that up for him as well16:50
replaceafilljelkner, i'm reading 2008 code...16:53
replaceafilljelkner, i can't believe i'm doing it :S16:53
replaceafilljelkner, mine16:53
jelknerthat's nice16:54
replaceafilljelkner, viejo16:54
jelknera trip down memory lange16:54
replaceafilljelkner, my old cdc cms16:54
jelkneryou don't need to tell me, my friend16:54
jelkneri know what viejo is16:54
replaceafilljelkner, :D16:54
replaceafilljelkner, i think a dumb/simple approach like this would work for novalaciro16:54
jelkneryou told me about it when i first met you16:54
jelknerdo you mean for bilingual?16:55
replaceafilljelkner, yeah16:55
jelkneryou're the doctor16:55
jelknerwhatever you say ;-)16:55
replaceafilljelkner, it doesn't try to be as generic like supporting multiple translated languages16:55
replaceafilljelkner, right16:55
jelknerwe only need 216:56
jelknerlet's keep the cost down by *not* trying to anticipate use cases we may never see16:56
replaceafilljelkner, +116:57
replaceafillzOnny, we'll need to talk theme translations really soon16:57
replaceafillzOnny, i'll look for some reference material i can point you to16:57
zOnnythanks , replaceafill16:59
replaceafillzOnny, give that section a look when you have a chance17:01
replaceafillzOnny, just the trans and blocktrans template tags17:01
replaceafillzOnny, that's all we need17:01
replaceafillzOnny, this will help too:
replaceafillzOnny, taking a basic example of your own code:
zOnnyI cannot find that field to change the price :( replaceafill17:04
replaceafillzOnny, oh17:04
replaceafillzOnny, ok17:04
replaceafillzOnny, hold on17:04
replaceafillzOnny, you may need to create a new type17:04
replaceafillzOnny, let me check17:04
replaceafillzOnny, in the admin go to Memberships17:06
replaceafillzOnny, then Membership Types17:07
replaceafillzOnny, Edit the Novalaciro Members17:08
zOnnyit's there17:08
replaceafillzOnny, there's the Price field17:08
zOnnyI found it17:08
zOnnybut the solution for that should be 00.00 right ?17:09
zOnnythanks a lot replaceafill17:10
replaceafillzOnny, np17:16
zOnnyjelkner Done :)17:18
jelknerzOnny, let me look17:18
jelknergive me a minute to finish something i'm in the middle of17:18
jelkner(working on the Python book)17:18
replaceafillzOnny, you should try to adjust the $0.00 to a single line17:19
replaceafillzOnny, i see it like this: Membership Type () Novalaciro Members -17:20
replaceafill          $0.0017:20
zOnnyI cannot see it in my server replaceafill17:20
zOnnyit is beacuse of the credit card ? replaceafill17:20
replaceafillzOnny, your data in testing and production is not the same17:21
replaceafillzOnny, it should17:21
replaceafillzOnny, that's ^ production for me17:22
jelknerzOnny, the plan is to show one language at a time, yes?17:22
jelknernot both at once17:23
jelknerfor now, can you move the Spanish above the English please?17:23
zOnnyyou mena different pages for each ? jelkner 17:24
jelknerreplaceafill will be working on this17:24
jelknerthere will be a button to let you choose17:24
jelkneror something like that17:24
replaceafilllike our website17:25
jelknerfor now, please put the Spanish on top17:25
jelknerour board is 1st language Spanish (except for me :-(17:25
zOnnyok, jelkner17:25
jelknerzOnny, i have a quick opinion to ask you17:26
jelknerdoesn't it look like the letters "NOVALACIRO" come a little to close to the map of virginia?17:26
jelkneri'm going to ask daniela to move it a bit17:26
jelknerjust a little to the left17:27
replaceafilljelkner, it'd be nice if that text would be removed from the image17:27
replaceafilljelkner, and placed with html + css17:27
replaceafilljelkner, not a priority ofc17:27
jelknernice idea17:27
jelknerok, next time the 3 of us are together we can tweak that17:28
replaceafilljelkner, for bilingual websites is better for the images not to have text17:28
jelkneri'll email daniela to ask her for an SVG with no text17:28
replaceafilljelkner, in this case this is the name ofc17:28
replaceafilljelkner, but you get the point ;)17:28
jelknerzOnny, i spoke with daniela this morning17:28
jelknershe is going to the march on saturday17:29
jelknerso she won't be joining us17:29
jelkneri'll see her on sunday17:29
jelknerbut i'm going to call her now17:29
zOnnyok , jelkner17:32
jelknerhold on17:32
jelknertalking with daniela17:32
zOnnyhey replaceafill I will fix my memberships form 17:32
replaceafillzOnny, kk17:32
zOnnyreplaceafill to have both the same 17:32
zOnnyand can fix the issue that you pointed to17:33
replaceafillzOnny, +117:33
jelknerzOnny, daniela will be sending you both an svg and a png of the logo without the text shortly17:34
zOnnyhey replaceafill how bad would be having a button to english with a link to other page in english17:34
zOnnythen the english a button to spanish17:35
replaceafillzOnny, you want to display both language buttons at the same time17:35
zOnnyfor a while because they only have one page done17:35
replaceafillzOnny, add that to the templates please17:35
replaceafillzOnny, that change is coming soon17:36
replaceafillzOnny, you're just setting placeholders for now17:36
zOnnyaahhh ok , never mind17:36
replaceafillzOnny, it's fine if both links point to the current homepage17:36
replaceafillzOnny, all we care at this point is that you place/style them right17:36
replaceafillzOnny, that is, we can change the href's later17:37
zOnnyI hope the Novalaciro members can open this with chrome and firefox :(17:41
zOnnyI am crossing fingers17:41
replaceafillzOnny, test test test!17:41
replaceafillzOnny, many browsers, many orientations, many devices!17:42
replaceafillzOnny, welcome to hell... i mean, the real world :P17:42
zOnnyI cannot believe that even my school still have the old versions of firefox :(17:43
zOnnyonce I open my project all I can see in blocks ! :)17:44
jelknerok, replaceafill signing off for the day18:36
jelknerACTION signs off18:36

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