IRC log of #novawebdev for Friday, 2018-04-20

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jelknerping replaceafill11:44
replaceafilljelkner, pong11:44
jelkneri'm on the convention floor11:44
jelknerso my attention is a bit divided11:44
jelknerbut i wanted to get to you asap11:44
jelknerwill you be around in about 45 minutes?11:45
replaceafilljelkner, yes11:45
replaceafilljelkner, is there a problem?11:45
jelknernot at all11:45
jelknerjust a bunch if ideas11:45
replaceafilljelkner, i've seen you've been active registering members11:45
replaceafilljelkner, ah11:45
replaceafilljelkner, cool!11:45
jelknerthat i want to discusss while they are fresh11:45
replaceafilljelkner, sure11:45
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jelknerping replaceafill 12:54
replaceafilljelkner, pong12:54
jelknercan we chat now?12:55
replaceafilljelkner, yes12:56
jelknerok, as you probably know, i got distracted by another new member13:00
replaceafilljelkner, :)13:00
jelknerso, here is the immediate concern13:00
jelknerwe need *a lot* of work on the sign-up form for our platform to be truly usable13:01
jelknerwe have (at least temporarily) lost two other sign ups13:01
jelknerbecause the form said the captcha was wrong13:02
jelknerone person entered it 5 times13:02
replaceafilljelkner, ouch13:02
replaceafilljelkner, hhm13:02
jelknerthat was from an apple tablet13:02
jelknerand i watched them enter it twice13:02
jelknerthe way this tabling thing works at a convention is the sign up needs to be really fast13:03
jelknerhold on13:03
jelknersorry, replaceafill, i was chatting with someone who came up to the table13:10
replaceafilljelkner, np13:10
jelkneranyway, my head is exploding with thoughts13:10
replaceafilljelkner, we could remove the captcha temporarily if you want13:10
jelknerso if you will indulge me i'll do a quick brain dump13:11
replaceafilljelkner, it's just changing a setting and restarting the server13:11
jelknera few thoughts13:11
jelkner1. remove the catcha13:12
jelkner2. automatically check the $0.00 and hide it13:12
jelkner(two people had a failed submission because they didn't check the button13:12
jelkner3. make the username the email address?13:12
jelkner4. use email validation instead of the captcha?13:13
jelkneri'm open to suggestions on this13:13
replaceafilljelkner, the captcha is gone now13:13
jelkneryou rock13:13
replaceafilljelkner, 2-4 would take code changes13:13
jelknerfor later discussion, let's think about a more light-weight workflow13:14
jelknerwe need one for table sign up13:14
replaceafilljelkner, right13:14
jelknerbtw. please remove the non-nea members as "members"13:14
jelkneryou will be able to see data as admin, yes?13:14
jelknerso remove mr_german, yourself, and lelkner-alfaro13:15
replaceafilljelkner, ok13:15
jelknerthey should not be in the members database at this point13:15
jelknersince they are not members13:15
jelknerhere is what we need at a minimum:13:15
replaceafilljelkner, do you want me to do that now?13:15
replaceafilljelkner, roxana?13:16
jelknerfunny ;-)13:16
replaceafilljelkner, i mean, is she a nea4or member?13:16
jelknershe sure is13:16
replaceafilljelkner, ok13:17
jelknershe is here with me as a deleage13:17
jelknerworking our table13:17
replaceafilljelkner, oh really? nice!13:17
replaceafilljelkner, say hi for me :)13:17
jelkneri will13:17
jelknerwhere was i13:17
replaceafilljelkner, two forms13:17
jelkneryes, name, email, state affiliate, local affilitate13:17
replaceafilljelkner, one for table sign up exclusively13:17
jelknerthose are the essential things13:17
replaceafilljelkner, is the convention just today?13:18
jelkneri'm at the convention13:18
replaceafilljelkner, ok13:18
jelkneri'm sitting at our table at the convention13:18
replaceafilljelkner, got it13:18
jelkneri should have roxana take a picture to send you so you can "picture" it ;-)13:18
jelknershe want to lunch13:18
jelkneri'm here along staffing our table13:18
replaceafilljelkner, :)13:19
jelknerthis has been great13:19
jelknerand i have more user stories for the aea website13:19
jelknerthe stars are aligning, methinks ;-)13:19
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replaceafilljelkner, :D13:19
jelknerquestion, replaceafill, i know you're busy13:20
jelknerbut have you had a chance to glance at "Ours to Hack and to Own"?13:20
replaceafilljelkner, i read the second chapter13:20
replaceafilljelkner, about words or something13:20
replaceafilljelkner, how we use democracy now, etc13:20
replaceafilljelkner, i really liked it, gave me hope :)13:20
jelknerif you are busy, i could recommend the most important parts13:21
jelknerbut i am really "getting high" off reading it13:21
replaceafilljelkner, i can imagine :)13:21
jelknersince it basically means that we are in the very struggle i had dreamed of getting involved it13:21
jelknerthere are several section really important for our CTO to read13:22
jelknersince they deal with the technical ideas about user data and how it is controlled13:22
replaceafilljelkner, oh nice, could you point me to them?13:22
jelknerhold on one second13:23
jelkneractually, the book is *fantastic*!13:24
jelkneri like the fact that sections are short and though provoking13:24
jelknergeek writing at its best ;-)13:24
jelknercheck out chapter 12. Counterantidisintermediation13:24
jelknerlet's talk about it after you have a chance to look it over13:25
replaceafilljelkner, sure, will do later today13:25
jelknerlast point, and my brain dump will be over (for now ;-)13:25
jelknerwithin aea we have a pac (political action committee)13:26
jelknerwe have just incorporated as aea-pac13:26
jelknersince it is separate from the union, and must maintain separate finances, etc.13:27
jelknerbut we can use the same tendenci instance13:27
jelknersince all aea-pac members will be aea members13:27
jelkner(must be)13:27
replaceafilljelkner, ok13:28
jelknerso, since aea-pac is a group of political activists spread out across the system13:28
replaceafilljelkner, what would make them different? i mean, system-wise?13:28
jelknerthe tools of an association management system will be most helpful13:28
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jelknerhere are our short term needs:13:29
jelkner1. a separate section off the website for aea-pac13:29
jelkner2. email list13:29
jelkner3. forums13:29
jelknerand (drum roll please ...)13:29
replaceafilljelkner, lol13:29
jelkner4. on-line voting!13:29
jelknerso while we will test at the career center, aea-pac will begin using this for real13:30
jelknerand often13:30
replaceafilljelkner, 1. done, 2. done  but not tested yet, 3 done but need styling work, 4 almost done13:31
jelkneraea-pac is a group of members who are volunteering to donate extra money to the pac13:31
jelkneri knew from previous converstations that was the case13:31
replaceafilljelkner, we really need to discuss how to test and improve their workflow13:32
replaceafilljelkner, because we have the pieces13:32
jelknernow we need to test and deploy and test and deploy13:32
replaceafilljelkner, but some of them are a bit confusing13:32
jelknerthat's what we need to do13:32
jelknerso, that's my full brain dump13:32
jelknerlet's follow up next week after you've had a chance to think things over13:33
replaceafilljelkner, sure, i think we're not very far away13:33
jelkneri agree13:33
jelknerwe are moving well13:33
jelknerbut you know the old saying13:33
jelkner"the first 90% takes 10% of the time, and the last 10% takes 90% of the time"13:34
jelknerwe only need to do the last 10% ;-)13:34
replaceafilljelkner, indeed, i thought it was 80-20 though13:34
jelknerit may be, my friend13:35
jelknerbut in practice i've found it to be more like 90-10 ;-)13:35
jelknerin any case, you get the point13:35
replaceafilljelkner, i sure do13:35
jelknerokie dokie13:36
jelknerback to work for me13:36
jelknerlet me look at the form13:36
jelknercan you easily make the check button default to checked?13:39
jelknerthat was the other thing slowing us down13:40
jelknerhere's the scene13:40
jelkner500 people in a hallway at a convention center13:40
jelknervisiting 20 tables13:40
jelknerincluding ours13:40
jelknerthey line up13:41
jelknerand once in a while, someone says "how can i sign up"?13:41
jelknerwe need to move fast13:41
jelknerthey fill out the form13:41
jelknerclick submit13:41
replaceafilljelkner, sure i understand, but i feel like rushing such a change can break things13:41
replaceafilljelkner, let me try13:41
jelknernever mind then13:42
jelkneri'll be careful13:42
jelknerto tell them to check13:42
jelknerwhat is the possibility of doing email validation?13:42
jelknerthat would be the way we really want to do it13:42
jelknersince we need valid emails to have a valid user13:42
replaceafilljelkner, you mean to avoid the captcha?13:42
replaceafilljelkner, well, they are different problems13:43
jelkneri was thinking email could be username13:43
replaceafilljelkner, captcha stops bots13:43
jelkneri understand13:43
jelknerbut bots can't validate email addresses either, can they?13:43
replaceafilljelkner, username is not required by tendenci in a membership form13:43
replaceafilljelkner, no but they can fill up your system with spam13:44
jelknermy point is that having a separate username is yet one more thing for people to forget13:44
replaceafilljelkner, that's why i think removing the captcha is just a temporary solution13:44
replaceafilljelkner, yes13:44
jelknerwe need their email13:44
jelknerso that should be their useranme13:44
replaceafilljelkner, and that what tendenci asks for, really13:44
jelkneri need to go vote13:44
replaceafilljelkner, and they can even change their username13:44
replaceafilljelkner, ok13:44
jelkneri'll be back13:44
replaceafilljelkner, ok13:45
jelkneri'm back13:48
jelknernice system13:48
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jelkneri'm back, replaceafill 13:48
jelknerbut my battery is running low13:49
replaceafilljelkner, ouch13:49
jelkneri need to charge it in case someone wants to sign up13:49
replaceafilljelkner, ok13:49
jelknerso i'll sign off for now13:49
jelknerbtw, i just voted on a computer13:49
jelknernice and easy13:49
replaceafilljelkner, :)13:49
jelkneri'll describe it later13:49
replaceafilljelkner, cool13:49
jelknerthanks, man13:49
jelknertalk to you later...13:49
replaceafilljelkner, good luck13:49
jelknerACTION signs off13:50
replaceafilljelkner, later o/13:50
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replaceafillACTION goes to get lunch, bb in ~4015:34
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