IRC log of #novawebdev for Sunday, 2018-04-29

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ubuntourist!remind This Thursday: ACC College & Career Expo. Do we have promotional materials? I bet other tablers do.07:29
Big_Brother"This Thursday: ACC College & Career Expo. Do we have promotional materials? I bet other tablers do." added to message queue07:29
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Big_BrotherShould we add links when discussing ballots, since we will be doing it online?11:30
Big_BrotherDiscuss latest draft of bylaws. (See comments made on the Google document.)11:30
Big_Brotherdiscuss and decide to adopt bylaws11:30
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Big_BrotherThis Thursday: ACC College & Career Expo. Do we have promotional materials? I bet other tablers do.11:30
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replaceafillgood morning everyone11:30
lelkneralfaroGood morning everyone :)11:30
zOnnyHello World!11:31
nrcernaHello :)11:31
lelkneralfaroWe can start from the top. Did anyone add any items other than jelkner?11:31
lelkneralfaroI added the item about the discussion of the latest draft of the bylaws11:32
ubuntouristI added Thursday at the ACC11:32
replaceafillmjsir911, feature request for the remind command: display person who added message :)11:33
ubuntourist(I added the other "discuss the bylaws". Note there are two such reminders.)11:33
lelkneralfarookay well I think we can jump down to begin the bylaw discussion then11:33
ubuntouristreplaceafill, I *JUST* said that to mjsir911 in person. ;-)11:33
replaceafillubuntourist, :D11:33
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lelkneralfaroI've gone through the original template from the resource in California11:34
lelkneralfaroand made changes to simplify it and fit it to our needs11:34
lelkneralfaroalthough it is still challenging and boring11:35
lelkneralfaroI think it is readable enough for someone interested in understanding it11:35
lelkneralfaroand we are here to answer any questions11:35
lelkneralfaroI think the MAIN point about them, as I mentioned in a previous email, is that we try to organize our decision making process11:36
lelkneralfaroand have a procedure for doing so11:36
ubuntourist(The Creative Commons link I sent talks about three "layers" of their licenses: legal, human-readable, and... "machine-readable" which is what I think we should eventually strive for and keep in mind as we and the document evolve.)11:37
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, yes, I think that with some more work the bylaws could become more human-readable11:37
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, I'll take a look at the creative commons and see if I can translate the bylaws into something more human accessible. 11:38
lelkneralfarothat's all I have to say about the bylaws now, anyone else?11:39
ubuntouristWe should perhaps each try to ask about what we do not understand.  Like that word I encountered referring to feudal property rights.  That will help determine what needs simplification.11:40
ubuntourist(What, at least needs a hyperlink to a comprehensible definition of the word or phrase.)11:41
ubuntouristOr, as replaceafill and I have done, ask questions about possible other interpretations of a rule or "what if... such and such happens? How do we deal with that?"11:42
ubuntouristAnd that's all I have to say about that. ;-)11:42
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, the parts in {..} and [...] are for us to discuss as a group, correct?11:43
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, that was not my intention, they are just brackets from the original document that were connected to some comment from the authors11:44
replaceafillah ok11:44
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, they can be deleted11:44
lelkneralfarodoes anyone disagree with any parts of the bylaws?11:45
lelkneralfarothat a majority of members are needed to make decisions?11:45
ubuntouristOf the parts I understand, no objections. Of Section 6 in particular? I don't know.11:46
mjsir911I've just skimmed it, but I agree with what I've gathered from it11:47
ubuntouristAye (a.k.a. Yes, +1): A majority of members are needed to make decisions.11:47
lelkneralfarookay, I'm hoping this becomes more real in practice11:47
lelkneralfaroif, for example, Paul Flint would have followed up yesterday11:47
lelkneralfaroand we were going to decide on taking on his project. We would need a majority of members to decide. But, to complicate things, if not every member was notified of the decision11:48
lelkneralfarothey could object to us making the decision, even if a majority of members decided to take it on11:49
lelkneralfaromake sense?11:49
ubuntouristlelkneralfaro, You mean if someone doesn't know there's a vote being called for, and misses it, they can object after the fact, right?11:50
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, exactly.11:50
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, I think it is a fair rule, to make sure that we stay cohesive and don't start getting mad and resenting one another11:51
ubuntouristWell, provided they can PROVE they were not notified, yes.  If you send me a message and I don't read it, I have only myself to blame and cannot complain.11:51
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, that is a fair point. And that's where the 10 day notification requirement comes in11:51
replaceafillsome of the rules won't be... in play?... until we become a bigger organization11:53
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, yes I have that same sense11:53
replaceafilland we'll understand them better and maybe adjust them by then, like allocations11:54
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, practically speaking we will probably have to make decisions more quickly now. 11:55
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, but yes, i think that discussing the document now will give us a chance to get familiar with collective decision making11:56
ubuntouristlelkneralfaro, Yup. And we should have a "well-regulated" ;-) system on a member-accessible web page that holds notices.  A bit like !remind were one can go for pending decisions11:58
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, and we can make desired adjustments and changes as we become more experienced11:58
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, very good idea11:58
replaceafillubuntourist, +111:58
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, +111:58
mjsir911I completely agree, need a better system for these important decisions then just saying "agree"11:59
mjsir911especially considering a few of us aren't even using registered accounts11:59
mjsir911(on freenode I mean)11:59
lelkneralfaroWell it is now 12:00 PM12:00
lelkneralfaroI'm ready to wrap up unless anyone else has something to add12:00
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, I'll speak to you about the ACC fair after the meeting12:00
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, are you planning on updating the doc to:12:01
replaceafill1. include electronic voting (helios)12:01
replaceafill2. address kevin's inline comments12:01
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, I didn't because I didn't feel it was necessary12:01
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, but if you think I should specify then I will12:02
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, I thought that "ballots" was good enough, however we choose to distribute them12:02
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, got it12:02
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i'm just wondering how "final" the doc has to be for us to start using it12:03
ubuntouristI wanted everyone to have a chance to both comment and read the comments of others before making too many changes to the document, particularly if one person wants something changed one way and another prefers a different alteration that is in conflict.12:03
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, I agree with that approach12:04
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, so I didn't want to touch the document even if I thought the comment suggested a good improvement12:04
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, until we had a chance to discuss12:04
replaceafillzOnny, nrcerna any thoughts on the doc?12:05
ubuntouristreplaceafill, I think the implementation of voting should be "our own dog food" -- at this point, Helios, but I don't know that it needs to be part of the Bylaws.12:05
replaceafillubuntourist, lelkneralfaro i agree12:05
replaceafillubuntourist, lelkneralfaro the method we use is not as important as the process described12:05
ubuntouristreplaceafill, +112:06
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, +112:06
replaceafilldid we go through all the items in the agenda?12:07
nrcernaI think probably I should ask you something later, about the Spanish version replaceafill 12:07
replaceafillnrcerna, consider there is no spanish version at this point12:08
replaceafillnrcerna, until the english version is final12:08
lelkneralfaronrcerna, I have considered that it is even harder right now for the Spanish-document to understand12:08
nrcernaOk replaceafill12:08
replaceafilli've suggested nrcerna we should translate it at some point12:08
lelkneralfaronrcerna, it is hard in English already12:08
zOnnyIn my experience all this is new for me, but everything that I am reading there is clear enough including the comments, Although there something that is not clear I will show up with my comments too12:09
lelkneralfaronrcerna, so eventually a Spanish version would be great 12:09
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, we didn't go through the points added by jelkner12:10
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, because he isn't here12:10
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, ok, so no decision today on Paul Flint's site, right?12:10
ubuntourist+1 re: Spanish version, particularly when a fair amount of new people who come in are likely to be native Spanish speakers.12:10
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, we don't have any follow ups about that?12:10
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, nope. we haven't heard back from him, unfortunately.12:10
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, cool12:10
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, I'll speak with jelkner later on to hear what happened12:11
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, thanks12:11
ubuntouristSounds like it's "hammer time" a.k.a. "gravel time". ;-)12:11
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, +112:11
lelkneralfaroACTION drops the bag of gravel12:11
replaceafillhammer time, lol12:12
lelkneralfarothanks everyone :)12:12
replaceafillthanks everybody12:12
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lelkneralfarojelkner, welcome12:12
ubuntouristjelkner, FYI gravel dropped at 12:11.12:13
zOnnyIs that jelkner or is a irssi bug12:13
ubuntouristjelkner, on the other hand, discussion re: ACC is about to start, post-meeting, Flint decision tabled due to lack of response, and your items tabled due to lack of you.12:14
replaceafillmr_german, nrcerna please update your timesheets by tomorrow12:16
nrcernaOk replaceafill 12:16
replaceafillnrcerna, and please mark the part of april we already paid you, ok?12:16
nrcernaOk replaceafill 12:17
replaceafillmr_german, nrcerna anything you need us to discuss?12:18
nrcernaI want to talk you but maybe later replaceafill 12:19
replaceafillnrcerna, cool12:19
replaceafillnrcerna, i'll go do my laundry then :)12:19
replaceafillnrcerna, ttyl12:20
nrcernaI'll be working ;) replaceafill 12:20
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zOnnymr_german: are you around ?13:02
mr_germanzOnny, hey13:02
zOnnyhey man , I need you help 13:02
mr_germanzOnny, tell me13:02
zOnnyI was checking in our NovaWebDev repos 13:04
zOnnythat you have already finished one 13:05
zOnnyI mean theming Helios13:05
zOnnywith the aea website mr_german 13:05
mr_germanzOnny, oh yeah13:05
zOnnycan you explain it to me about what should I do first mr_german 13:07
zOnnybecause I saw that it has a shared directory 13:07
zOnnythat Helios doesn't include mr_german 13:07
zOnnywhich I assume that it is the dir that you use as a custom correct ?13:08
mr_germanzOnny, well.. let me see13:08
zOnnysure , mr_german 13:09
mr_germanzOnny, this document is just for helios13:10
mr_germanwitout aea theme13:11
zOnnyuhhhmm but having this integration helios will need the same theming correct ?13:12
mr_germanaea theming?13:13
zOnnyyes mr_german 13:14
zOnnybecause I didn't start theming helios yet mr_german 13:15
mr_germanthis is helios witout theming just the default theme13:15
mr_germanzOnny, do you need this for aea13:16
zOnnythat is what I need mr_german 13:16
mr_germanwell, this the doc that you need13:16
mr_germandid you follow the steps in the doc13:17
zOnnythe Doc ? mr_german 13:19
mr_german"Helios Set Up"13:19
zOnnyI have completed that part mr_german 13:20
mr_germanzOnny, ok13:21
mr_germanand everything works ?13:21
zOnnyyep mr_german 13:21
mr_germanzOnny, so now do want to start your own theming?13:22
zOnnyexactly mr_german 13:23
zOnnywhere should I put my custom.css mr_german 13:24
zOnnyit is required to create a new dir named shared ? mr_german 13:25
mr_germanzOnny, check this13:25
mr_germanas you can see there13:25
mr_germanthere's a folder called "shared"13:25
mr_germaneverything is there13:25
mr_german*your custom css,js, media"13:26
mr_germanzOnny, in the main dir you'll need to change urls.py13:29
mr_germanchange line #18 and add #2013:29
zOnnymr_german: what did you change there ?13:36
mr_germanzOnny, *13:37
zOnnyahh I see13:37
zOnnyyou add the line #20 mr_german 13:38
zOnnyI got it13:38
zOnnyit will overried the helios theming ? mr_german 13:39
mr_germanyour will be able to use "{% stactic 'css/custom.css'%}" in the base.html13:40
mr_germancustom.css that it would be in the "shared" folder13:40
mr_germanI used "/static/css/globalcss/" but Douglas recommended me to use jinja13:41
mr_germanthis like tendenci theme13:42
mr_germankind of13:42
zOnnyahh 13:42
zOnnyBut it can be done without using jinja ? mr_german 13:44
mr_germanyes, as you can see there13:44
mr_germancheck line 9 to 1213:44
mr_germanthat's why we change urls.py13:45
zOnnyuuhmmmm I can see global.css but the others are from Helios correct ?13:46
zOnnyboot.css , boothmobile.css  are already in Helios mr_german 13:46
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mr_germanzOnny, no13:49
mr_germanzOnny, it is my personal css13:49
mr_germanbut separated in parts13:49
zOnnyahhh I understand13:49
mr_germanzOnny, because you'll need css13:49
mr_germanfor the booth part13:49
mr_germanserver_ui and heliosbooth13:50
zOnnybecause I saw the same .css in different helios directories13:51
mr_germanI take "selectors" from the others css13:52
mr_germanthe default css from helios13:52
mr_germanand then I created my theme zOnny 13:53
zOnnyso you didn't delete the anything in the templates mr_german 13:57
mr_germana few things13:57
mr_germanzOnny, 13:58
zOnnyI am going to test  this mr_german 13:59
mr_germanzOnny, sure, if you get stuck i'll be around13:59
zOnnythanks man , I really appreciate your help14:01
mr_germanzOnny, you're welcome edzon14:01
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jelknergood afternoon, zOnny 14:03
jelknerand mr_german 14:03
jelknerand mjsir911 14:03
jelknerreplaceafill is not around?14:03
mr_germangood afternoon jelkner 14:03
mr_germanjelkner, no14:03
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mr_germanjelkner, he left after the meeting14:03
mr_germanjelkner, I can call him for you?14:04
jelknerno, that's ok14:04
jelkneri'll look for him later14:04
jelkneri just got home14:05
jelkneri was rushing because he wanted me to test nea tendenci features14:05
jelkneri'll get to that this evening14:05
mr_germanoh, I see14:05
mr_germanbut, he'll back14:05
jelkneri need to logout, configure hexchat, and log back in14:07
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zOnnymr_german: can we hang out ?14:10
mr_germanzOnny, wait give me a sec14:10
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mr_germanzOnny, ready!14:12
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zOnnyready mr_german 14:12
ubuntouristjelkner, tried phoning you at home. Got voice mail...14:12
mr_germanzOnny, *calling*14:12
ubuntouristjelkner, Flint is off playing music and it was suggested I call him "early evening". Allie expressed "reservations" to put it gently.14:13
jelknerroxana is on the phone14:14
jelknercan we talk when she gets off?14:14
jelknerif there is a phone with a conference feature14:14
jelkneri'd like to talk to the 3 of you14:14
ubuntouristAh.  Posolutely, absitively.14:15
jelknerzOnny, lelkneralfaro, and ubuntourist 14:15
jelknerif you send me the number i can call14:15
ubuntouristWe'd be on my computer.  Conference phone internet currently being used by router.14:15
jelkneror i can ping you here as soon as my phone is available14:15
jelknerso what would you suggest?14:15
jelkneryou would call me from your computer?14:16
ubuntouristlelkneralfaro stepped out for a minute or two, and I'm going to visit the little consultant's room.  Back shortly.  Ping us and I'll call via hangups.14:16
jelknerokie dokie14:17
jelknercan i call a number?14:28
jelkneri'm in the middle of updating to 18.0414:28
jelknerdon't have hangouts and such available14:28
jelkneri can call louie14:29
jelknerlelkneralfaro, that is14:29
jelknerhe has a phone14:29
jelknerif he can put it on speaker14:29
ubuntouristSorry. was talking. lelkneralfaro is still on the phone as is zOnny 14:34
ubuntouristzOnny said he'd quit when the call with you starts. I'll chase down lelkneralfaro and let him know you're ready.14:34
ubuntouristfound him. he says "just a sec." So, he's wrapping up his call.14:36
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lelkneralfaroI'm back. sorry about that14:38
ubuntouristjelkner, call lelkneralfaro 14:38
replaceafillzOnny, are you around?14:44
mr_germanreplaceafill, he's in a meeting14:44
replaceafillmr_german, ok, thanks14:44
mr_germanI was helping him with helios14:44
ubuntouristreplaceafill, zOnny jelkner lelkneralfaro and I are on a conference voice call.14:44
replaceafillubuntourist, cool, thanks14:45
ubuntouristreplaceafill, talking about the Flint tendenci site w/ zOnny and Flint's nephew.14:45
replaceafillubuntourist, +114:45
zOnnyhey replaceafill 14:54
replaceafillhey zOnny14:55
replaceafillzOnny, you done with your meeting?14:55
zOnnyyep replaceafill 14:55
replaceafillzOnny, ok, give me a minute14:55
replaceafillzOnny, it seems like you need help with helios14:55
replaceafillzOnny, give me a minute to finish what i'm doing14:56
replaceafillzOnny, i'll ping you shortly14:56
zOnnysure , replaceafill 14:56
mr_germanzOnny, I think you'll work with replaceafill now ;)14:57
zOnnyI seems like that mr_german 14:58
zOnnybut I really appreciate your help 14:58
replaceafillzOnny, ok done14:58
replaceafillzOnny, so, you have a helios-server checkout, right?14:59
replaceafillzOnny, with the replaceafill/helios_tendenci branch14:59
mr_germanzOnny, you're welcome ;)14:59
zOnnygood to know that I can count with you once I don't know what to do :(14:59
zOnnymr_german: 14:59
zOnnyyep replaceafill 14:59
replaceafillzOnny, what i asked you to do was "change the layout by modifying helios css/templates"14:59
replaceafillzOnny, that's it14:59
replaceafillzOnny, you don't need to do anything else other than what you started doing with tendenci15:00
replaceafillzOnny, at the beginning15:00
replaceafillzOnny, remembers, you first checked the url you were at15:00
replaceafillzOnny, then you looked at the urls15:00
replaceafillzOnny, then you got to a function15:00
replaceafillzOnny, and from there to the templates involved15:01
replaceafillzOnny, remember?15:01
replaceafillzOnny, i think we even have that documented for tendenci somewhere...15:01
replaceafillzOnny, i noticed you asked mr_german about how he themed helios on the january pilot15:01
zOnnyyeah replaceafill 15:01
replaceafillzOnny, but we're not doing that anymore15:02
replaceafillzOnny, so don't try finding how we used to do it15:02
replaceafillzOnny, all i care right now for your helios experience is:15:02
replaceafill1. get to know what views are involved, again, EXACTLY the same process you've used for tendenci15:02
replaceafill2. think of ways to improve the ui/navigation of helios15:03
replaceafillhave you seen all those "back to election" links15:03
zOnnyyep replaceafill 15:03
replaceafillhave you seen that there's no way for a user to see what elections are "open"15:03
replaceafillwhich ones they can participate on15:03
zOnnycorrect replaceafill 15:04
replaceafillzOnny, that's what i really want you to do15:04
replaceafillzOnny, helios workflow as it is doesn't work for us15:04
replaceafillzOnny, if you ask jelkner he will want the process to be fast15:04
replaceafillzOnny, users don't need to be filling "start/end" date times15:05
replaceafillzOnny, that should be considered an "advanced" feature15:05
replaceafillzOnny, so try hiding that in the form15:05
replaceafillzOnny, or setting a "advanced" form fieldset with those fields15:05
replaceafillzOnny, i made the mistake of telling you "try to make it look like AEA"15:06
replaceafillzOnny, don't15:06
replaceafillzOnny, what i meant was "learn how to change the font sizes"15:06
replaceafillzOnny, background colors15:06
replaceafillzOnny, put an image here and there15:06
replaceafillzOnny, and again, that's only an exercise15:06
replaceafillzOnny, we're probably not going to use any of that15:07
replaceafillzOnny, but again, i want you to be as familiar with helios as you are now with tendenci15:07
replaceafillzOnny, makes sense?15:07
zOnnyok replaceafill 15:07
replaceafillzOnny, do you have any questions?15:08
zOnnyIs there a helios github somewhere ? replaceafill 15:09
replaceafillzOnny, what do you want to do?15:10
zOnnyI want to use it as a tools to see what I need to change replaceafill 15:12
replaceafillzOnny, for browsing the code?15:12
zOnnyyep replaceafill 15:12
replaceafillzOnny, this is the ****UPSTREAM***** (that's what we should be calling those) repo:
replaceafillzOnny, and this is our fork in gitlab
zOnnythanks replaceafill 15:13
replaceafillzOnny, they're currently synced15:13
replaceafillzOnny, upstream doesn't change frequently15:13
replaceafillzOnny, is there anything else you need?15:14
replaceafillzOnny, i wonder if we could create a workflow like15:14
zOnnythat is what we were doing with mr_german replaceafill 15:15
replaceafillzOnny, new election form with just a name, with all the other fields hidden in an advanced fieldset15:15
replaceafillzOnny, doing what?15:16
zOnnychanging the helios' theming replaceafill 15:16
replaceafillzOnny, you're not chaning a "theme" really15:16
replaceafillzOnny, you're just modifying the checkout, right?15:17
replaceafillzOnny, or if you want to be organized working on a new branch15:17
replaceafillzOnny, but yes, that's a good exercise i think15:17
zOnnyok replaceafill 15:18
replaceafillzOnny, so, add form -> add question15:18
zOnnyyou mean that helios and tendenci will be designed independently correct ?15:19
replaceafillzOnny, no15:19
replaceafillzOnny, don't worry about that at this point!15:19
replaceafillzOnny, again, you're not doing this for the future15:19
replaceafillzOnny, you're doing this to get familiar with helios15:19
zOnnyahh 15:19
replaceafillzOnny, remember what you did for...15:20
replaceafillzOnny, the first theme you designed15:20
replaceafillzOnny, where is it right now?15:20
replaceafillzOnny, retired/abandoned15:20
replaceafillzOnny, right?15:20
replaceafillzOnny, why15:20
replaceafillzOnny, we use a better alternative15:20
replaceafillzOnny, right?15:20
zOnnythat is good question replaceafill 15:20
replaceafillzOnny, this is going to be the same case15:20
replaceafillzOnny, don't think of this as something in stone15:21
replaceafillzOnny, "oh, i have to do this perfect"15:21
replaceafillzOnny, no!15:21
replaceafillzOnny, think of "how can i make this thing more user friendly?"15:21
replaceafillzOnny, "how can i make navigation easier"15:21
replaceafillzOnny, "are these steps really necessary"15:21
replaceafillzOnny, that's what theming is about15:21
replaceafillzOnny, does this make any sense at all?15:22
replaceafillzOnny, i think i'm not being able to "transmit?" my message15:22
replaceafillzOnny, oh15:23
zOnnyuuhhmmm 15:23
replaceafillzOnny, one thing i've thought about for example15:23
replaceafillzOnny, when you create the election15:24
replaceafillzOnny, you assign a name for it, right?15:24
zOnnycorrect replaceafill 15:24
replaceafillzOnny, why can't you set the group you want able to be voting in that same screen15:24
replaceafillzOnny, that seems a bit logical15:24
replaceafillzOnny, but i'm not sure of the UI implications at this point15:24
replaceafillzOnny, remember, that dropdown i showed you when we worked in the integration15:24
replaceafillzOnny, with the tendenci groups15:25
replaceafillzOnny, so you're really asking the admin user "give me a name for your election and which people can vote in it"15:25
replaceafillzOnny, and you can get rid of the "voters and ballots" in the initial workflow15:25
replaceafillzOnny, i'm you'll have better ideas than me in this regard15:26
replaceafillzOnny, that's why i'm pushing so hard on this15:26
replaceafillzOnny, anyway, that's all i have15:27
replaceafilljelkner, are you around?15:27
zOnnyok replaceafill 15:27
replaceafillzOnny, oops i meant: "i'm sure you'll have better ideas"15:28
replaceafillzOnny, i'm hungry so i'm eating words now :D15:28
replaceafillzOnny, why does freezing ballots need so many clicks?15:29
replaceafillzOnny, can we do it automatically?15:29
replaceafillzOnny, and so on15:29
replaceafillok, jelkner is probably away15:30
replaceafillACTION goes to get lunch15:30
jelkneri'm here, replaceafill 15:31
jelknerbut i was distracted15:31
jelknercomputer troubles15:31
replaceafilljelkner, oh hey man15:31
replaceafilljelkner, ah15:31
replaceafilljelkner, you're upgrading, right?15:31
jelkneri'm fixing them15:31
replaceafilljelkner, i downloaded it yesterday15:31
jelknerversionitis strikes again! ;=)15:31
replaceafilljelkner, plan to install it in my old laptop first15:31
jelknerit's working great15:31
jelknerbut i have soooo much data15:31
replaceafilljelkner, i'm not sure how far we'll get this last month15:32
jelkneri'm replacing pop os with ubuntu15:32
replaceafilljelkner, but we need to figure out if our things run in 18.0415:32
replaceafilljelkner, we need to at least test15:32
replaceafilljelkner, ah15:32
replaceafilljelkner, pop os is system76 right?15:32
jelknerthe system76 people got pissed at canonical for abandoning unity15:33
replaceafilljelkner, ah! that's the reason?15:33
jelknerso they went off and did their own remix15:33
jelkneryes, if you look around the net, you can see evidence of their anger15:33
replaceafilljelkner, heh15:33
jelknerbut anyway, it is *a lot* of work maintaining a distro15:33
replaceafilljelkner, i remember how i used to hate ubuntu... and here we are...15:33
jelknerso while i thought is looked nice, the upgrade process was completely messed up15:34
replaceafilljelkner, ouch15:34
jelknerso i am replacing pop os 17.10 with ubuntu 18.0415:34
jelknerthat's what is taking me some time15:34
replaceafilljelkner, i've been reading marius (from pov) upgrade tweets15:34
jelkneri'm almost finished15:34
replaceafilljelkner, it's never straightforward it seems15:34
replaceafilljelkner, cool15:35
replaceafilljelkner, i just wanted to know if you need anything from me15:35
jelknerwell my ubuntu machines updated without incident as usual15:35
replaceafilljelkner, regarding AEA testing15:35
jelkneri need to do that15:35
jelknerwhat is your schedule today15:35
replaceafilljelkner, i don't have any15:35
replaceafilljelkner, but i'm about disconnect for a couple of hours to go get lunch with the family15:35
jelkneri'd like to hangout, but i don't have chrome installed yet, etc.15:35
jelknercan we set a time?15:36
replaceafilljelkner, sure15:36
jelkneri'm flexible15:36
jelkneryou choose15:36
jelknerACTION waits for replaceafill to choose15:36
replaceafilljelkner, 6?15:37
jelknerso he can get back to his install ;-)15:37
replaceafilljelkner, cool, i'll be back at 6 then15:37
jelkner2 1/2 hours from now15:37
replaceafilljelkner, thanks!15:37
jelknerlater gater15:37
jelkneri'll be ready by then15:37
replaceafilljelkner, famous last words ;)15:37
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jelknerapologies for being late, replaceafill 18:08
replaceafillhello jelkner18:08
replaceafilljelkner, np, i was late too :)18:09
jelkneri was on the phone with paul flint18:09
replaceafilljelkner, ah18:09
jelknerlet's see if hangouts works on this newly installed computer18:09
replaceafilljelkner, sure18:09
replaceafilljelkner, i'm ready18:09
replaceafilljelkner, i can't hear you18:10
replaceafilljelkner, can you hear me?18:10
jelknerhold on18:10
jelknergive me a minute18:10
replaceafilljelkner, np18:10
jelknerthe webcam mic seems not to work18:12
replaceafilljelkner, ah18:12
jelkneri'm going to try a different mic18:12
replaceafilljelkner, ok18:12
jelkneryou're not answering this time18:15
jelknerreplaceafill, 18:15
replaceafilljelkner, haven't received a call18:15
replaceafilljelkner, let me call you18:15
jelknermjsir911, r u here?20:14
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