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| jelkner | !remind What would it cost to do our Tendenci for ORMD? | 10:49 |
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| Big_Brother | Discuss plan for new NOVA Web Development website | 11:30 |
| Big_Brother | What would it cost to do our Tendenci for ORMD? | 11:30 |
| Big_Brother | trip to Boston | 11:30 |
| replaceafill | good morning everybody | 11:30 |
| lelkneralfaro | Good morning everyone | 11:30 |
| mjsir911 | morning | 11:30 |
| jelkner | good morning | 11:30 |
| ubuntourist | Grrr. | 11:30 |
| hrodriguez | GM everyone | 11:30 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner did you add the first items? | 11:30 |
| jelkner | sure | 11:30 |
| ubuntourist | Oxymoron: Good and morning. | 11:30 |
| replaceafill | ubuntourist, :D | 11:31 |
| jelkner | unfortunately, since nrcerna isn't here | 11:31 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, want to begin the discussion? | 11:31 |
| jelkner | we're a bit short | 11:31 |
| jelkner | zOnny should start on the website this week | 11:31 |
| jelkner | we made it to may, and we need the website we will want to show to the world | 11:32 |
| jelkner | simple as that | 11:32 |
| jelkner | any thoughts on process? | 11:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, just in case i communicate with nrcerna about this | 11:32 |
| lelkneralfaro | I saw an email between zOnny, mr_german and nrcerna talking about beginning it | 11:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, this is the 100 hours work zOnny and her are doing to become members, correct? | 11:32 |
| jelkner | yes | 11:32 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, any more progress yet? | 11:32 |
| zOnny | I was waiting for the proposal lelkneralfaro | 11:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, so they should track hours but they're not getting paid on them, right? | 11:33 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:33 |
| jelkner | at 100 hours, they're members | 11:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that makes me wonder about mr_german's time if he's involved | 11:33 |
| jelkner | right, lelkneralfaro? | 11:33 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, I mean the Nova Web site | 11:33 |
| jelkner | good point | 11:33 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, correct | 11:33 |
| jelkner | that's up to him, replaceafill | 11:34 |
| jelkner | we could "put it in the bank" for him | 11:34 |
| zOnny | yes, lelkneralfaro I have already set up tendenci lelkneralfaro | 11:34 |
| jelkner | so that if we are still around in a year or 2 | 11:34 |
| jelkner | and he wants to become a member at that point | 11:34 |
| zOnny | but I sent an email ncerna to get a proposal first lelkneralfaro | 11:34 |
| jelkner | he would already have put in hours | 11:34 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, +1 | 11:34 |
| jelkner | otherwise, just zOnny and nrcerna should work on it | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, would we give him the option to get paid for them? | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah ok | 11:35 |
| jelkner | no | 11:35 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool, makes sense | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, got it | 11:35 |
| jelkner | we don't have the funds | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, rigth | 11:35 |
| jelkner | besides | 11:35 |
| jelkner | this should be a labor of love | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'm clear now, thanks | 11:35 |
| jelkner | its what a cooperative is all about | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | i'm not sure if it's a "peyorative?" term, but i learne about "sweat equity" a few weeks ago | 11:36 |
| replaceafill | learned* | 11:36 |
| jelkner | exactly | 11:36 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, not pejorative at all | 11:36 |
| jelkner | it isn't a pejorative term | 11:36 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, ah cool, thanks | 11:36 |
| lelkneralfaro | okay, next item, bylaws | 11:36 |
| jelkner | one last thought, lelkneralfaro | 11:36 |
| jelkner | i won't have much input on the design | 11:37 |
| jelkner | but i will on messaging | 11:37 |
| jelkner | i want to see our philosophy on the content in the site | 11:37 |
| jelkner | just saying | 11:37 |
| jelkner | ok, i'm done | 11:37 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, +1 | 11:37 |
| lelkneralfaro | okay, next item, bylaws | 11:38 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, ? | 11:38 |
| jelkner | this is a request for an update from lelkneralfaro and ubuntourist | 11:39 |
| jelkner | where are we? | 11:39 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, Washington D.C. ;) | 11:39 |
| zOnny | Gallaude University :D | 11:39 |
| ubuntourist | Bravo! | 11:39 |
| hrodriguez | +1 zOnny | 11:40 |
| jelkner | not BRAVO, ubuntourist, NOVALACIRO! | 11:40 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, we got to a certain point in there development last week. they are not perfect and it I don't think we have much intention of following them any time soon | 11:40 |
| jelkner | are they good enough? | 11:41 |
| jelkner | in other words, can we live with them as they are? | 11:41 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, once I work on the accounting section yes | 11:41 |
| jelkner | please finish that | 11:41 |
| jelkner | i would then like to put them in a gitlab repo | 11:41 |
| ubuntourist | With regards to restructured text: | 11:41 |
| ubuntourist | pandoc is our friend... probably. (It's a good way convert between multiple formats, including restructured text. Not perfect, but it has helped me with other docs.) | 11:41 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, yeah we can put them up and not follow them | 11:41 |
| jelkner | after converting them to ResStructuredText | 11:41 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, after I change the accounting section | 11:42 |
| jelkner | we can then move on and not worry about them again until they come up in practice | 11:42 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, which I'm not looking forward to | 11:42 |
| jelkner | yes, my dear hijo, but we need that badly | 11:42 |
| lelkneralfaro | ubuntourist, knows what I'm talking about | 11:42 |
| jelkner | we want to be legal | 11:42 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, do you think you can have that done by our meeting in two weeks? | 11:43 |
| ubuntourist | Sad, but true. It's the frightening section of the document. | 11:43 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, lol. yeah I know. we already are | 11:43 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, yes | 11:43 |
| jelkner | cool | 11:43 |
| jelkner | so that's that | 11:43 |
| lelkneralfaro | cool, next item | 11:43 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, annual report and shares | 11:44 |
| jelkner | that's for you too lelkneralfaro | 11:44 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, still a part of the puzzle that needs to be figured out | 11:44 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, an important part | 11:44 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:44 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, so I'll work on that this week | 11:44 |
| jelkner | if we are asking folks to commit real resources time and money | 11:44 |
| jelkner | we need to honor their commitment | 11:44 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:44 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I think that is the last big administrative task to handle | 11:44 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, alright mr samurai | 11:45 |
| jelkner | next? | 11:45 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, next item? | 11:45 |
| jelkner | that's for replaceafill | 11:45 |
| lelkneralfaro | novalaciro ids that is | 11:46 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, do we have a final design_ | 11:46 |
| jelkner | yes | 11:46 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, where can i find it? | 11:46 |
| jelkner | daniela finishted that | 11:46 |
| jelkner | zOnny, | 11:46 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, could someone land that in the shared folder? | 11:47 |
| zOnny | ? | 11:47 |
| jelkner | this is bogging down | 11:48 |
| jelkner | zOnny, we need to move forward on IDs this week | 11:48 |
| jelkner | we will be heading to pycon | 11:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, oh, pycon starts this week??!?! | 11:48 |
| jelkner | so i guess that means today, tomorrow and tuesday | 11:48 |
| jelkner | yes! | 11:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ok | 11:48 |
| jelkner | we leave wednesday | 11:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'll be in charge of that task, correct? | 11:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, creating the pdfs from tendenci | 11:49 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, permission to modify the agenda a bit? | 11:49 |
| jelkner | or should we take this after meeting? | 11:49 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, that's not in the bylaws | 11:49 |
| replaceafill | :| | 11:49 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, and you have to check with all members lol | 11:49 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, jk | 11:49 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, go for it | 11:49 |
| jelkner | we only have 10 minutes left | 11:50 |
| ubuntourist | Touché, lelkneralfaro | 11:50 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, the other items should be quick | 11:50 |
| jelkner | so i wanted really quickly to update folks on our financial situation | 11:50 |
| jelkner | but then we want to hear about boston | 11:50 |
| jelkner | which is a big part of the plan | 11:50 |
| lelkneralfaro | ubuntourist, ;) | 11:50 |
| jelkner | 1st, we can thank ubuntourist | 11:50 |
| jelkner | who with me has agreed to fund our two full time folks for one more month | 11:51 |
| jelkner | june is now covered | 11:51 |
| replaceafill | ubuntourist, muchas gracias Kevin :) | 11:51 |
| jelkner | if i get the summer school job, i can cover july | 11:51 |
| lelkneralfaro | thank you both :) | 11:51 |
| jelkner | i'll know that tomorrow hopefully | 11:51 |
| jelkner | so we really need to focus on becoming "sustainable" over the next few months | 11:52 |
| jelkner | i'm thinking NOVALACIRO is really important | 11:52 |
| jelkner | that's a zOnny gig | 11:52 |
| jelkner | but he will need replaceafill support | 11:52 |
| jelkner | daniela starts full time tomorrow | 11:52 |
| jelkner | she has been awesome | 11:52 |
| jelkner | she thinks critcially about how to use our platform to help her do her job | 11:53 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, daniela needs "someone's" support on the merchant provider too | 11:53 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: have you see the last Daniela's issue ? | 11:53 |
| jelkner | by june / july, we want to be able to show TWU / NVM what we are doing and see if we can get them to sign on with us as well | 11:53 |
| zOnny | *seen | 11:53 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, that's what i'm talking about | 11:53 |
| jelkner | finally, NOVALACIRO is a *paying* customer | 11:54 |
| jelkner | with $5K available for this project | 11:54 |
| jelkner | that's my update, lelkneralfaro | 11:54 |
| jelkner | thanks for indulging me | 11:54 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro i think we need to define what "this project" means real soon | 11:55 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, well, again it's not me. you've violated the whole coops bylaws :) | 11:55 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, but no one seemed to object so I think that actually puts you back to legal conduct | 11:56 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, next item. Tendenci for ORMD | 11:56 |
| jelkner | i blind copied replaceafill and lelkneralfaro on an email i sent to ormd | 11:57 |
| jelkner | they have been reaching out to me to get help with their website | 11:57 |
| jelkner | if they are willing to go tendenci | 11:57 |
| jelkner | this is the kind of thing i would be willing to donate | 11:57 |
| jelkner | and hopefully get others to donate as well | 11:57 |
| jelkner | since ormd is one of only 4 recognized or state groups | 11:58 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, would that work be similar to what we do with ORA? | 11:58 |
| jelkner | yes | 11:58 |
| jelkner | only on a state wide scale | 11:58 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, oh ok | 11:58 |
| zOnny | which means more memebers | 11:58 |
| zOnny | *members | 11:59 |
| jelkner | much more members, zOnny, yes | 11:59 |
| lelkneralfaro | okay, it's almost 12, any more on this item? | 12:00 |
| jelkner | nope | 12:00 |
| jelkner | what about boston? | 12:00 |
| lelkneralfaro | okay last item, trip to Boston | 12:00 |
| lelkneralfaro | Micky got back to me and invited me up on the 10th | 12:00 |
| jelkner | yeah, Micky! | 12:01 |
| lelkneralfaro | so I'll take the trip and she said she will introduce me to the cooperative community | 12:01 |
| lelkneralfaro | and probably come back on the 12th. I need to buy bus tickets | 12:01 |
| zOnny | Which definitely will help us a lot lelkneralfaro | 12:01 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, we need to talk before so we can help prep you | 12:01 |
| jelkner | train, lelkneralfaro | 12:01 |
| jelkner | bus is aweful | 12:02 |
| lelkneralfaro | train even better | 12:02 |
| jelkner | i looked | 12:02 |
| jelkner | yes, train | 12:02 |
| ubuntourist | Acela, if affordable. That's what I took to Boston for Libre Planet. | 12:02 |
| lelkneralfaro | okay, that's all on that | 12:03 |
| ubuntourist | Two small bits from me: 1) lelkneralfaro, I sent you invoices for you to forward. 2) STILL waiting to hear back on business cards. Will pester the print shop tomorrow. (Pricer this time because I couldn't talk down the number of cards. Then again, more cards...) | 12:03 |
| lelkneralfaro | ACTION drops the bag of gravel | 12:03 |
| jelkner | next week ubuntourist zOnny mjsir911 and i wont' be here | 12:03 |
| jelkner | we'll be at pycon | 12:03 |
| lelkneralfaro | ubuntourist, I'll send along the invoices today | 12:04 |
| lelkneralfaro | ubuntourist, and again, thanks for putting in the business cards order | 12:04 |
| jelkner | btw lelkneralfaro i deposited a $200 check from aea | 12:04 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, cool. thanks for letting me know | 12:04 |
| ubuntourist | lelkneralfaro, thanks. My fault for being late. | 12:04 |
| lelkneralfaro | ubuntourist, no problem. they haven't given any negative feedback so far | 12:04 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, zOnny have time to talk about the IDs now? | 12:05 |
| jelkner | yes | 12:05 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, zOnny or want to handle that through email? | 12:05 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, want to call me later today? | 12:05 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, can i call you around 6 pm? | 12:05 |
| zOnny | sure, replaceafill | 12:05 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, yes that will work | 12:05 |
| jelkner | ok, 6 pm | 12:05 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, zOnny so i see a shared folder https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1it-nS0NsJjela86LPfZWQNloY8p80VxY | 12:06 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, zOnny and under Editable Files two photoshop files | 12:06 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, let me look | 12:06 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, zOnny it seems like google drive allows you to preview those | 12:06 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, zOnny but i don't see for instance the back design of the card | 12:07 |
| jelkner | hold on replaceafill hrodriguez will share the link | 12:08 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 12:08 |
| zOnny | I didn't get that either replaceafill | 12:08 |
| jelkner | daniela has been creating ids by hand | 12:08 |
| zOnny | hrodriguez: will share with us replaceafill | 12:08 |
| replaceafill | looking at the images... | 12:13 |
| zOnny | replaceafill hold on | 12:14 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, zOnny, hrodriguez so what we need now is a bit more information about the design, colors, fonts, sizes | 12:15 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I just Fowarded you | 12:15 |
| replaceafill | checking... | 12:15 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, do we have things to do for this week? | 12:16 |
| mr_german | special for me? | 12:16 |
| mr_german | or.. | 12:16 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, did you read the website discussion? | 12:16 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, sloooowly downloading your emails... | 12:16 |
| mr_german | *reading* | 12:17 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, are these the same designs jelkner shared with me? | 12:17 |
| jelkner | i just got off the phone with daniela | 12:17 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, | 12:17 |
| jelkner | please disregard what i just sent | 12:17 |
| jelkner | she will email you the final design within the next hour | 12:18 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, could we please use the shared drive instead of emails?!?!?! | 12:18 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i have two unnecessary emails now with old designs | 12:19 |
| jelkner | once you get that, replaceafill and zOnny, what i will be waiting for is you two to tell me you are ready to generate pdfs formatted to the id paper size | 12:19 |
| jelkner | and i will test printing them | 12:19 |
| jelkner | once that works, we can make IDs! | 12:19 |
| replaceafill | <replaceafill> jelkner, could we please use the shared drive instead of emails?!?!?! | 12:20 |
| jelkner | i'm fine with any clear practice, replaceafill | 12:20 |
| jelkner | but the shared drive was causing confusion | 12:20 |
| replaceafill | ^ *that* should be the clear practice | 12:21 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, why? | 12:21 |
| jelkner | i just sent you shared drive files | 12:21 |
| jelkner | they are *wrong* | 12:21 |
| jelkner | not the latest | 12:21 |
| jelkner | so we need to be careful | 12:21 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, are they in the *NOVA* shared drive? | 12:21 |
| jelkner | i figured in this case, that you will get a design from daniela | 12:21 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: *note* the margin light-green | 12:21 |
| jelkner | you can put it in our shared drive if you like | 12:21 |
| jelkner | i won't care | 12:22 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, the person in charge of that task should be reponsible for doing that | 12:22 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i don't have to be doing that | 12:22 |
| jelkner | since i only want pdfs generated by tendenci ;-) | 12:22 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i understand | 12:22 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but this is a workflow problem | 12:22 |
| jelkner | i understand | 12:22 |
| jelkner | i'm trying to help resolve it | 12:22 |
| jelkner | here are my operating assumptions: | 12:23 |
| jelkner | 1. you replaceafill need the final design | 12:23 |
| jelkner | 2. daniela needs to get that to you | 12:23 |
| jelkner | 3. email is the easiest way to do that (unless you want to exchange several emails with her telling her were in drive to put it ;-) | 12:24 |
| jelkner | your call | 12:24 |
| jelkner | but i did what i could to help improve the workflow | 12:24 |
| replaceafill | ok | 12:24 |
| replaceafill | i'm probably a bit pissed because i've been yelling poor nrcerna about this all along... | 12:24 |
| replaceafill | "don't use email for this type of thing!" | 12:25 |
| replaceafill | "get rid of old versions" | 12:25 |
| replaceafill | "this s**t is like a garden" | 12:25 |
| replaceafill | and all that crap | 12:25 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, I have not a clear idea :/ | 12:25 |
| jelkner | oh no, you and ubuntourist are both a bit testy today | 12:25 |
| replaceafill | :)) | 12:25 |
| mr_german | I just read but, I didn't understand | 12:25 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'm done with the pissed part | 12:25 |
| jelkner | you are correct, replaceafill | 12:26 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i can explain you latter | 12:26 |
| jelkner | i agree with you | 12:26 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, ok | 12:26 |
| jelkner | but in this particular instance | 12:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, let's move on | 12:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, so | 12:26 |
| jelkner | i think we need to violate that sound general approach | 12:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, this will require a pre-task | 12:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, involving photos | 12:26 |
| jelkner | +1 | 12:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, should i get in touch with daniela to discuss that? | 12:26 |
| jelkner | daniela will upload photos to our database | 12:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, here's my problem | 12:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i've been trying to use zOnny as the middle man | 12:27 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, as you just said a few minutes ago | 12:27 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, this is "zOnny's gig" | 12:27 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, so i think he should handle these tasks | 12:27 |
| jelkner | this is what sunday's are for, my dear friend | 12:28 |
| jelkner | let's work this out together | 12:28 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'm sorry | 12:28 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'm fine now, really | 12:28 |
| jelkner | here is my thinking | 12:28 |
| jelkner | our core budget goes to fund you and lelkneralfaro | 12:28 |
| jelkner | and you are tasked with establishing our sustainable business from the "big picture" point of view | 12:29 |
| jelkner | zOnny is still an apprentice | 12:29 |
| jelkner | but we needs full time work | 12:29 |
| jelkner | so we need to think about that too | 12:29 |
| jelkner | novalaciro is a great gig for him for these reasons: | 12:29 |
| jelkner | 1. he is close to the "on site" customer" | 12:30 |
| jelkner | 2. he is a member with personal interest in the organization | 12:30 |
| jelkner | but you need to remember he is still an apprentice | 12:30 |
| jelkner | i can tell you how hard he is working | 12:30 |
| jelkner | i see it every day | 12:30 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you're preaching to the quoir | 12:31 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, or however you spell that :) | 12:31 |
| replaceafill | choir? | 12:31 |
| jelkner | yup | 12:31 |
| jelkner | so, what are your thoughts on how best to move forward? | 12:31 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, how do you want to handle these two tasks? | 12:31 |
| replaceafill | the two tasks being: | 12:32 |
| replaceafill | 1. being able to add members photos to Tendenci | 12:32 |
| replaceafill | 2. design a pdf with the card (front and back) and put links to print them | 12:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, question | 12:32 |
| jelkner | shoot | 12:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, do you want to mass print these? | 12:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, or go member by member | 12:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, or both? | 12:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, can we start member by member? | 12:33 |
| jelkner | we have a cheap little laminator | 12:33 |
| jelkner | so member by member is all we can handle in any case | 12:33 |
| jelkner | mass printing is yagni for now | 12:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, consider we won't be printing directly from tendenci | 12:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, tendenci will only spit pdf files | 12:33 |
| jelkner | +1 | 12:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, right? | 12:33 |
| jelkner | right | 12:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, so it's fine to spit multiple in a zip or something | 12:34 |
| jelkner | sure | 12:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but let's start small, ok? | 12:34 |
| jelkner | *definitely* | 12:34 |
| jelkner | is there any other way? | 12:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and design it with members = [replaceafill] for now | 12:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and then we just extend the list to have many | 12:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ok | 12:34 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ? | 12:34 |
| jelkner | ACTION thinks that his brain is small in any case | 12:34 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i want to hear your thoughts dude | 12:34 |
| jelkner | so if we start big, he will be confured | 12:35 |
| jelkner | confused | 12:35 |
| zOnny | I see replaceafill | 12:35 |
| zOnny | but it require practice on that replaceafill | 12:36 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, these are django development tasks | 12:36 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, we are pushing zOnny too fast on these, yes? | 12:36 |
| zOnny | we should rid of gravatar correct ? | 12:36 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, yes | 12:37 |
| jelkner | novalaciro has funds to pay a pro to do them | 12:37 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that's what i want to find out | 12:37 |
| jelkner | you should do those | 12:37 |
| jelkner | and bill for them | 12:37 |
| jelkner | talk to lelkneralfaro about that | 12:37 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that's why i wanted to discuss "this project" when you mentioned the 5k budget earlier | 12:37 |
| jelkner | we can invoice novalaciro | 12:37 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ok, cool | 12:37 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, zOnny for the record i just don't want to get money zOnny can invoice for | 12:38 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, zOnny as much as possible | 12:38 |
| jelkner | don't worry about that | 12:38 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, | 12:38 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 12:38 |
| jelkner | zOnny understands | 12:38 |
| jelkner | we need to develop the product | 12:38 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, sure | 12:38 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ok | 12:38 |
| jelkner | that's what i meant by it being your responsibility to look at the "big picture" | 12:38 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, zOnny i can work on these two tasks this week then | 12:39 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, zOnny and i'll coordinate directly with daniela | 12:39 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, zOnny for information i need | 12:39 |
| jelkner | perfect | 12:39 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool, i'll get to that | 12:39 |
| replaceafill | ACTION done | 12:40 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, to reiterate | 12:40 |
| jelkner | this gives us a huge opportunity to test our most important hypothesis | 12:40 |
| jelkner | that free software web infrastructure can be used to effectively reduce the social cost and increase the effectiveness of organizing | 12:41 |
| jelkner | daniela is tasked with organizing | 12:41 |
| jelkner | she starts full time tomorrow | 12:41 |
| jelkner | she is young, smart, and technologically literate | 12:42 |
| jelkner | so we have a truly awesome opportunity here to see if we can build something cool | 12:42 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, how much should i rely on you or lelkneralfaro helping her? | 12:43 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i mean | 12:43 |
| jelkner | as you work through this, keep in mind lelkneralfaro sitting down with jon liss and evelyn showing off our system | 12:43 |
| jelkner | what to you mean by "helping"? | 12:43 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, look ath the online payment issue for example: https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/novalaciro-ams/issues/7 | 12:44 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, it's like the kind of "on site" help | 12:44 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you were mentioning zOnny being a good position | 12:44 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but we also need someone with experience doing these kind of things | 12:44 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i can't help there | 12:45 |
| jelkner | do you mean writing clearer user stories? | 12:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, no, the story is clear, is our support to her in this particular task that is not | 12:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, do we use paypal, stripe, etc? | 12:45 |
| jelkner | ah | 12:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, which one is better for novalaciros interests | 12:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and so on | 12:46 |
| jelkner | we should discuss those together | 12:46 |
| jelkner | btw. this is a great story | 12:46 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, it is | 12:46 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and it pushed me to do some paypal sandbox experimenting last week | 12:46 |
| jelkner | i'll be sending out an email to nea4or in a few minutes | 12:46 |
| jelkner | we may need the same story | 12:46 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 | 12:46 |
| jelkner | so we will want a good, safe solution | 12:47 |
| jelkner | dealing with $$ sucks | 12:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, indeed | 12:47 |
| jelkner | so we need to off load it somewhere | 12:47 |
| jelkner | i would want to ask micky | 12:47 |
| jelkner | we dream of ours to hack and own platforms | 12:48 |
| jelkner | but until they exist, we may need to deal with the devil | 12:48 |
| zOnny | zOnny sign off | 12:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes, i'm afraid so | 12:48 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ttyl o/ | 12:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, so we need to decide the lesser of evils maybe | 12:49 |
| jelkner | +1 | 12:49 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, maybe daniela could help with that research? | 12:49 |
| zOnny | Please replaceafill I want to know how to handle this issues as well | 12:49 |
| jelkner | +1 | 12:49 |
| jelkner | and we should ask micky | 12:49 |
| jelkner | we want to always reach out to our community first | 12:49 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 | 12:50 |
| jelkner | we are involved in a collaborate process to find solutions | 12:50 |
| jelkner | so louis's trip to boston is good timing | 12:50 |
| jelkner | can we talk about that for a minute? | 12:50 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, sure | 12:50 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, what kind of training were you thinking of? | 12:50 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you mentioned it in that discussion | 12:51 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, let's wait for ubuntourist | 12:51 |
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| jelkner | cool, he is here | 12:52 |
| jelkner | here are my thoughts on this trip, to which i would be most grateful for your feedback | 12:53 |
| jelkner | 1. we are now more or less ready to "join the community" | 12:53 |
| jelkner | by that i mean both that we have something to offer and that we require support | 12:54 |
| jelkner | 2. louis should share with micky our present stage of development and our vision | 12:54 |
| jelkner | 3. louis should network broadly and see if we can find partners in the community with whom we could work | 12:55 |
| jelkner | those i think are his main trip goals | 12:55 |
| jelkner | thoughts? | 12:55 |
| ubuntourist | Did anyone [currently present] other than me look at the Bylaws of tech co-ops listed on the Internet of Ownership site? | 12:56 |
| jelkner | not i | 12:56 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, thoughts? | 12:57 |
| replaceafill | me neither, i checked the ones jelkner branched off https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/bylaws | 12:57 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, are we clear enough on our vision? | 12:57 |
| jelkner | you tell me, replaceafill | 12:58 |
| ubuntourist | I *THINK* Louis did, but I cannot be certain. 'T'would be good to check before asking Micky, who will rightly say "Look at the bylaws on the Internet of Ownership site". | 12:58 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i wouldn't be able to explain that, but maybe Louie would | 12:58 |
| jelkner | interesting observation | 12:58 |
| jelkner | i'm really looking forward to my trip to el salvador this august | 12:59 |
| jelkner | since that is what i hope one of our main topics of conversation will be | 12:59 |
| jelkner | including how can we bring our vision to el salvador itself | 12:59 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 | 12:59 |
| ubuntourist | If we're ready, which we think we are, we should register on the IOO site as well. | 12:59 |
| jelkner | so that we could potentially find collaborators there as well has here | 12:59 |
| ubuntourist | (Register the co-op I mean.) | 12:59 |
| jelkner | +1 | 13:00 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, we definitely should do taht | 13:00 |
| jelkner | that | 13:00 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and on 3. i guess that's where micky can help, right? | 13:00 |
| jelkner | yes, replaceafill | 13:00 |
| jelkner | networking broadly means reaching out to the whole cooperative movement, but micky is certainly our closest friend | 13:01 |
| jelkner | we have known each other for awhile now | 13:01 |
| jelkner | and are building trust and respect | 13:01 |
| ubuntourist | I've had brief e-mail exchanges with Nathan, one of the two co-editors of "Ours to Hack and to Own" as well. | 13:02 |
| jelkner | awesome | 13:02 |
| jelkner | ok, i need to get to several tasks for today | 13:03 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, so i think we're on the same page regarding Louie's visit goal | 13:03 |
| jelkner | thanks for your time | 13:03 |
| jelkner | i'll be sharing this with louis at 6 pm today | 13:03 |
| jelkner | and wanted to talk to the two of you 1st | 13:03 |
| jelkner | so thanks | 13:03 |
| replaceafill | thank you both | 13:03 |
| ubuntourist | It's more "noise" but in addition to the two mailing lists that Micky recommended, I've ended up on Mastodon's coop.social (mastodon being the politically correct, FLOSS micro-blogging system, and Loomio forums). | 13:04 |
| ubuntourist | Why work when you can just be overwhelmed with conversations? ;-) | 13:04 |
| replaceafill | ubuntourist, i've ende up in platform-discuss | 13:04 |
| jelkner | i'm glad you can do that, ubuntourist | 13:04 |
| replaceafill | ubuntourist, :D | 13:04 |
| jelkner | i just can't handle the info overload | 13:04 |
| ubuntourist | I can't either. Grrr. | 13:05 |
| jelkner | so, as you do, please alert us when something particularly relevant to what we need to do comes up | 13:05 |
| replaceafill | i've been following "the future of facebook" closely :) | 13:05 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, there was one interesting exchange about domain name providers | 13:05 |
| replaceafill | ok, back to work for me | 13:06 |
| jelkner | okie dokie, replaceafill, me too | 13:06 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, are you still around? | 13:06 |
| jelkner | i'm going to sign off | 13:06 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, | 13:06 |
| mr_german | yes | 13:07 |
| replaceafill | later jelkner o/ | 13:07 |
| ubuntourist | Ta-ta. | 13:07 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off for the day | 13:07 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i can call you if you want | 13:07 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, call to my cellphone | 13:07 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, ok | 13:07 |
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