IRC log of #novawebdev for Sunday, 2018-05-06

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Big_BrotherDiscuss plan for new NOVA Web Development website11:30
Big_BrotherWhat would it cost to do our Tendenci for ORMD?11:30
Big_Brothertrip to Boston11:30
replaceafillgood morning everybody11:30
lelkneralfaroGood morning everyone11:30
jelknergood morning11:30
hrodriguezGM everyone11:30
lelkneralfarojelkner did you add the first items?11:30
ubuntouristOxymoron: Good and morning.11:30
replaceafillubuntourist, :D11:31
jelknerunfortunately, since nrcerna isn't here11:31
lelkneralfarojelkner, want to begin the discussion?11:31
jelknerwe're a bit short11:31
jelknerzOnny should start on the website this week11:31
jelknerwe made it to may, and we need the website we will want to show to the world11:32
jelknersimple as that11:32
jelknerany thoughts on process?11:32
replaceafilljelkner, just in case i communicate with nrcerna about this11:32
lelkneralfaroI saw an email between zOnny, mr_german and nrcerna talking about beginning it11:32
replaceafilljelkner, this is the 100 hours work zOnny and her are doing to become members, correct?11:32
lelkneralfarozOnny, any more progress yet?11:32
zOnnyI was waiting for the proposal lelkneralfaro 11:33
replaceafilljelkner, so they should track hours but they're not getting paid on them, right?11:33
jelknerat 100 hours, they're members11:33
replaceafilljelkner, that makes me wonder about mr_german's time if he's involved11:33
jelknerright, lelkneralfaro?11:33
lelkneralfarozOnny, I mean the Nova Web site11:33
jelknergood point11:33
lelkneralfarojelkner, correct11:33
jelknerthat's up to him, replaceafill 11:34
jelknerwe could "put it in the bank" for him11:34
zOnnyyes, lelkneralfaro  I have already set up tendenci lelkneralfaro 11:34
jelknerso that if we are still around in a year or 211:34
jelknerand he wants to become a member at that point11:34
zOnnybut I sent an email ncerna to get a proposal first lelkneralfaro 11:34
jelknerhe would already have put in hours11:34
lelkneralfarozOnny, +111:34
jelknerotherwise, just zOnny and nrcerna should work on it11:35
replaceafilljelkner, would we give him the option to get paid for them?11:35
replaceafilljelkner, ah ok11:35
jelknerreplaceafill, 11:35
replaceafilljelkner, cool, makes sense11:35
replaceafilljelkner, got it11:35
jelknerwe don't have the funds11:35
replaceafilljelkner, rigth11:35
jelknerthis should be a labor of love11:35
replaceafilljelkner, i'm clear now, thanks11:35
jelknerits what a cooperative is all about11:35
replaceafilli'm not sure if it's a "peyorative?" term, but i learne about "sweat equity" a few weeks ago11:36
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, not pejorative at all11:36
jelknerit isn't a pejorative term11:36
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, ah cool, thanks11:36
lelkneralfarookay, next item, bylaws11:36
jelknerone last thought, lelkneralfaro 11:36
jelkneri won't have much input on the design11:37
jelknerbut i will on messaging11:37
jelkneri want to see our philosophy on the content in the site11:37
jelknerjust saying11:37
jelknerok, i'm done11:37
lelkneralfarojelkner, +111:37
lelkneralfarookay, next item, bylaws11:38
lelkneralfarojelkner, ?11:38
jelknerthis is a request for an update from lelkneralfaro and ubuntourist 11:39
jelknerwhere are we?11:39
lelkneralfarojelkner, Washington D.C. ;)11:39
zOnnyGallaude University :D11:39
hrodriguez+1 zOnny11:40
jelknernot BRAVO, ubuntourist, NOVALACIRO!11:40
lelkneralfarojelkner, we got to a certain point in there development last week. they are not perfect and it I don't think we have much intention of following them any time soon11:40
jelknerare they good enough?11:41
jelknerin other words, can we live with them as they are?11:41
lelkneralfarojelkner, once I work on the accounting section yes11:41
jelknerplease finish that11:41
jelkneri would then like to put them in a gitlab repo11:41
ubuntouristWith regards to restructured text:11:41
ubuntouristpandoc is our friend... probably. (It's a good way convert between multiple formats, including restructured text.  Not perfect, but it has helped me with other docs.)11:41
lelkneralfarojelkner, yeah we can put them up and not follow them11:41
jelknerafter converting them to ResStructuredText11:41
lelkneralfarojelkner, after I change the accounting section11:42
jelknerwe can then move on and not worry about them again until they come up in practice11:42
lelkneralfarojelkner, which I'm not looking forward to11:42
jelkneryes, my dear hijo, but we need that badly11:42
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, knows what I'm talking about11:42
jelknerwe want to be legal11:42
jelknerlelkneralfaro, do you think you can have that done by our meeting in two weeks?11:43
ubuntouristSad, but true. It's the frightening section of the document.11:43
lelkneralfarojelkner, lol. yeah I know. we already are11:43
lelkneralfarojelkner, yes11:43
jelknerso that's that11:43
lelkneralfarocool, next item11:43
lelkneralfarojelkner, annual report and shares11:44
jelknerthat's for you too lelkneralfaro 11:44
lelkneralfarojelkner, still a part of the puzzle that needs to be figured out11:44
lelkneralfarojelkner, an important part11:44
lelkneralfarojelkner, so I'll work on that this week11:44
jelknerif we are asking folks to commit real resources time and money11:44
jelknerwe need to honor their commitment11:44
lelkneralfarojelkner, I think that is the last big administrative task to handle11:44
lelkneralfarojelkner, alright mr samurai11:45
lelkneralfarojelkner, next item?11:45
jelknerthat's for replaceafill 11:45
lelkneralfaronovalaciro ids that is11:46
replaceafilljelkner, do we have a final design_11:46
replaceafilljelkner, where can i find it?11:46
jelknerdaniela finishted that11:46
jelknerzOnny, 11:46
replaceafilljelkner, could someone land that in the shared folder?11:47
zOnny? 11:47
jelknerthis is bogging down11:48
jelknerzOnny, we need to move forward on IDs this week11:48
jelknerwe will be heading to pycon11:48
replaceafilljelkner, oh, pycon starts this week??!?!11:48
jelknerso i guess that means today, tomorrow and tuesday11:48
replaceafilljelkner, ok11:48
jelknerwe leave wednesday11:48
replaceafilljelkner, i'll be in charge of that task, correct?11:48
replaceafilljelkner, creating the pdfs from tendenci11:49
jelknerlelkneralfaro, permission to modify the agenda a bit?11:49
jelkneror should we take this after meeting?11:49
lelkneralfarojelkner, that's not in the bylaws11:49
lelkneralfarojelkner, and you have to check with all members lol11:49
lelkneralfarojelkner, jk11:49
lelkneralfarojelkner, go for it11:49
jelknerwe only have 10 minutes left11:50
ubuntouristTouché, lelkneralfaro 11:50
lelkneralfarojelkner, the other items should be quick11:50
jelknerso i wanted really quickly to update folks on our financial situation11:50
jelknerbut then we want to hear about boston11:50
jelknerwhich is a big part of the plan11:50
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, ;)11:50
jelkner1st, we can thank ubuntourist11:50
jelknerwho with me has agreed to fund our two full time folks for one more month11:51
jelknerjune is now covered11:51
replaceafillubuntourist, muchas gracias Kevin :)11:51
jelknerif i get the summer school job, i can cover july11:51
lelkneralfarothank you both :)11:51
jelkneri'll know that tomorrow hopefully11:51
jelknerso we really need to focus on becoming "sustainable" over the next few months11:52
jelkneri'm thinking NOVALACIRO is really important11:52
jelknerthat's a zOnny gig11:52
jelknerbut he will need replaceafill support11:52
jelknerdaniela starts full time tomorrow11:52
jelknershe has been awesome11:52
jelknershe thinks critcially about how to use our platform to help her do her job11:53
replaceafilljelkner, daniela needs "someone's" support on the merchant provider too11:53
zOnnyreplaceafill: have you see the last Daniela's issue ?11:53
jelknerby june / july, we want to be able to show TWU / NVM what we are doing and see if we can get them to sign on with us as well11:53
replaceafillzOnny, that's what i'm talking about11:53
jelknerfinally, NOVALACIRO is a *paying* customer11:54
jelknerwith $5K available for this project11:54
jelknerthat's my update, lelkneralfaro11:54
jelknerthanks for indulging me11:54
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro i think we need to define what "this project" means real soon11:55
lelkneralfarojelkner, well, again it's not me. you've violated the whole coops bylaws :)11:55
lelkneralfarojelkner, but no one seemed to object so I think that actually puts you back to legal conduct11:56
lelkneralfarojelkner, next item. Tendenci for ORMD11:56
jelkneri blind copied replaceafill and lelkneralfaro on an email i sent to ormd11:57
jelknerthey have been reaching out to me to get help with their website11:57
jelknerif they are willing to go tendenci11:57
jelknerthis is the kind of thing i would be willing to donate11:57
jelknerand hopefully get others to donate as well11:57
jelknersince ormd is one of only 4 recognized or state groups11:58
replaceafilljelkner, would that work be similar to what we do with ORA?11:58
jelkneronly on a state wide scale11:58
replaceafilljelkner, oh ok11:58
zOnnywhich means more memebers 11:58
jelknermuch more members, zOnny, yes11:59
lelkneralfarookay, it's almost 12, any more on this item?12:00
jelknerwhat about boston?12:00
lelkneralfarookay last item, trip to Boston12:00
lelkneralfaroMicky got back to me and invited me up on the 10th12:00
jelkneryeah, Micky!12:01
lelkneralfaroso I'll take the trip and she said she will introduce me to the cooperative community12:01
lelkneralfaroand probably come back on the 12th. I need to buy bus tickets12:01
zOnnyWhich definitely will help us a lot lelkneralfaro 12:01
jelknerlelkneralfaro, we need to talk before so we can help prep you12:01
jelknertrain, lelkneralfaro 12:01
jelknerbus is aweful12:02
lelkneralfarotrain even better12:02
jelkneri looked12:02
jelkneryes, train12:02
ubuntouristAcela, if affordable. That's what I took to Boston for Libre Planet.12:02
lelkneralfarookay, that's all on that12:03
ubuntouristTwo small bits from me: 1) lelkneralfaro, I sent you invoices for you to forward. 2) STILL waiting to hear back on business cards. Will pester the print shop tomorrow. (Pricer this time because I couldn't talk down the number of cards. Then again, more cards...)12:03
lelkneralfaroACTION drops the bag of gravel12:03
jelknernext week ubuntourist zOnny mjsir911 and i wont' be here12:03
jelknerwe'll be at pycon12:03
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, I'll send along the invoices today 12:04
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, and again, thanks for putting in the business cards order12:04
jelknerbtw lelkneralfaro i deposited a $200 check from aea12:04
lelkneralfarojelkner, cool. thanks for letting me know12:04
ubuntouristlelkneralfaro, thanks. My fault for being late.12:04
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, no problem. they haven't given any negative feedback so far12:04
replaceafilljelkner, zOnny have time to talk about the IDs now?12:05
replaceafilljelkner, zOnny or want to handle that through email?12:05
lelkneralfarojelkner, want to call me later today?12:05
jelknerlelkneralfaro, can i call you around 6 pm?12:05
zOnnysure, replaceafill 12:05
lelkneralfarojelkner, yes that will work12:05
jelknerok, 6 pm12:05
replaceafilljelkner, zOnny so i see a shared folder
replaceafilljelkner, zOnny and under Editable Files two photoshop files12:06
jelknerreplaceafill, let me look12:06
replaceafilljelkner, zOnny it seems like google drive allows you to preview those12:06
replaceafilljelkner, zOnny but i don't see for instance the back design of the card12:07
jelknerhold on replaceafill hrodriguez will share the link12:08
replaceafilljelkner, cool12:08
zOnnyI didn't get that either replaceafill 12:08
jelknerdaniela has been creating ids by hand12:08
zOnnyhrodriguez: will share with us replaceafill 12:08
replaceafilllooking at the images...12:13
zOnnyreplaceafill hold on12:14
replaceafilljelkner, zOnny, hrodriguez so what we need now is a bit more information about the design, colors, fonts, sizes12:15
zOnnyreplaceafill: I just Fowarded you12:15
mr_germanreplaceafill, do we have things to do for this week?12:16
mr_germanspecial for me?12:16
replaceafillmr_german, did you read the website discussion?12:16
replaceafillzOnny, sloooowly downloading your emails...12:16
replaceafillzOnny, are these the same designs jelkner shared with me?12:17
jelkneri just got off the phone with daniela12:17
jelknerreplaceafill, 12:17
jelknerplease disregard what i just sent12:17
jelknershe will email you the final design within the next hour12:18
replaceafilljelkner, could we please use the shared drive instead of emails?!?!?!12:18
replaceafilljelkner, i have two unnecessary emails now with old designs12:19
jelkneronce you get that, replaceafill and zOnny, what i will be waiting for is you two to tell me you are ready to generate pdfs formatted to the id paper size12:19
jelknerand i will test printing them12:19
jelkneronce that works, we can make IDs!12:19
replaceafill<replaceafill> jelkner, could we please use the shared drive instead of emails?!?!?!12:20
jelkneri'm fine with any clear practice, replaceafill 12:20
jelknerbut the shared drive was causing confusion12:20
replaceafill^ *that* should be the clear practice12:21
replaceafilljelkner, why?12:21
jelkneri just sent you shared drive files12:21
jelknerthey are *wrong*12:21
jelknernot the latest12:21
jelknerso we need to be careful12:21
replaceafilljelkner, are they in the *NOVA* shared drive?12:21
jelkneri figured in this case, that you will get a design from daniela12:21
zOnnyreplaceafill: *note* the margin light-green 12:21
jelkneryou can put it in our shared drive if you like12:21
jelkneri won't care12:22
replaceafilljelkner, the person in charge of that task should be reponsible for doing that12:22
replaceafilljelkner, i don't have to be doing that12:22
jelknersince i only want pdfs generated by tendenci ;-)12:22
replaceafilljelkner, i understand12:22
replaceafilljelkner, but this is a workflow problem12:22
jelkneri understand12:22
jelkneri'm trying to help resolve it12:22
jelknerhere are my operating assumptions:12:23
jelkner1. you replaceafill need the final design12:23
jelkner2. daniela needs to get that to you12:23
jelkner3. email is the easiest way to do that (unless you want to exchange several emails with her telling her were in drive to put it ;-)12:24
jelkneryour call12:24
jelknerbut i did what i could to help improve the workflow12:24
replaceafilli'm probably a bit pissed because i've been yelling poor nrcerna about this all along...12:24
replaceafill"don't use email for this type of thing!"12:25
replaceafill"get rid of old versions"12:25
replaceafill"this s**t is like a garden"12:25
replaceafilland all that crap12:25
mr_germanreplaceafill, I have not a clear idea :/12:25
jelkneroh no, you and ubuntourist are both a bit testy today12:25
mr_germanI just read but, I didn't understand12:25
replaceafilljelkner, i'm done with the pissed part12:25
jelkneryou are correct, replaceafill 12:26
replaceafillmr_german, i can explain you latter12:26
jelkneri agree with you12:26
mr_germanreplaceafill, ok12:26
jelknerbut in this particular instance12:26
replaceafilljelkner, let's move on12:26
replaceafilljelkner, so12:26
jelkneri think we need to violate that sound general approach12:26
replaceafilljelkner, this will require a pre-task12:26
replaceafilljelkner, involving photos12:26
replaceafilljelkner, should i get in touch with daniela to discuss that?12:26
jelknerdaniela will upload photos to our database12:26
replaceafilljelkner, here's my problem12:26
replaceafilljelkner, i've been trying to use zOnny as the middle man12:27
replaceafilljelkner, as you just said a few minutes ago12:27
replaceafilljelkner, this is "zOnny's gig"12:27
replaceafilljelkner, so i think he should handle these tasks12:27
jelknerthis is what sunday's are for, my dear friend12:28
jelknerlet's work this out together12:28
replaceafilljelkner, i'm sorry12:28
replaceafilljelkner, i'm fine now, really12:28
jelknerhere is my thinking12:28
jelknerour core budget goes to fund you and lelkneralfaro 12:28
jelknerand you are tasked with establishing our sustainable business from the "big picture" point of view12:29
jelknerzOnny is still an apprentice12:29
jelknerbut we needs full time work12:29
jelknerso we need to think about that too12:29
jelknernovalaciro is a great gig for him for these reasons:12:29
jelkner1. he is close to the "on site" customer"12:30
jelkner2. he is a member with personal interest in the organization12:30
jelknerbut you need to remember he is still an apprentice12:30
jelkneri can tell you how hard he is working12:30
jelkneri see it every day12:30
replaceafilljelkner, you're preaching to the quoir12:31
replaceafilljelkner, or however you spell that :)12:31
jelknerso, what are your thoughts on how best to move forward?12:31
replaceafillzOnny, how do you want to handle these two tasks?12:31
replaceafillthe two tasks being:12:32
replaceafill1. being able to add members photos to Tendenci12:32
replaceafill2. design a pdf with the card (front and back) and put links to print them12:32
replaceafilljelkner, question12:32
replaceafilljelkner, do you want to mass print these?12:32
replaceafilljelkner, or go member by member12:32
replaceafilljelkner, or both?12:33
replaceafilljelkner, can we start member by member?12:33
jelknerwe have a cheap little laminator12:33
jelknerso member by member is all we can handle in any case12:33
jelknermass printing is yagni for now12:33
replaceafilljelkner, consider we won't be printing directly from tendenci12:33
replaceafilljelkner, tendenci will only spit pdf files12:33
replaceafilljelkner, right?12:33
replaceafilljelkner, so it's fine to spit multiple in a zip or something12:34
replaceafilljelkner, but let's start small, ok?12:34
jelkneris there any other way?12:34
replaceafilljelkner, and design it with members = [replaceafill] for now12:34
replaceafilljelkner, and then we just extend the list to have many12:34
replaceafilljelkner, ok12:34
replaceafillzOnny, ?12:34
jelknerACTION thinks that his brain is small in any case12:34
replaceafillzOnny, i want to hear your thoughts dude12:34
jelknerso if we start big, he will be confured12:35
zOnnyI see replaceafill 12:35
zOnnybut it require practice on that replaceafill 12:36
replaceafillzOnny, these are django development tasks12:36
jelknerreplaceafill, we are pushing zOnny too fast on these, yes?12:36
zOnnywe should rid of gravatar correct ?12:36
replaceafillzOnny, yes12:37
jelknernovalaciro has funds to pay a pro to do them12:37
replaceafilljelkner, that's what i want to find out12:37
jelkneryou should do those12:37
jelknerand bill for them12:37
jelknertalk to lelkneralfaro about that12:37
replaceafilljelkner, that's why i wanted to discuss "this project" when you mentioned the 5k budget earlier12:37
jelknerwe can invoice novalaciro12:37
replaceafilljelkner, ok, cool12:37
replaceafilljelkner, zOnny for the record i just don't want to get money zOnny can invoice for12:38
replaceafilljelkner, zOnny as much as possible12:38
jelknerdon't worry about that12:38
jelknerreplaceafill, 12:38
replaceafilljelkner, cool12:38
jelknerzOnny understands12:38
jelknerwe need to develop the product12:38
replaceafilljelkner, sure12:38
replaceafilljelkner, ok12:38
jelknerthat's what i meant by it being your responsibility to look at the "big picture"12:38
replaceafilljelkner, zOnny i can work on these two tasks this week then12:39
replaceafilljelkner, zOnny and i'll coordinate directly with daniela12:39
replaceafilljelkner, zOnny for information i need12:39
replaceafilljelkner, cool, i'll get to that12:39
replaceafillACTION done12:40
jelknerreplaceafill, to reiterate12:40
jelknerthis gives us a huge opportunity to test our most important hypothesis12:40
jelknerthat free software web infrastructure can be used to effectively reduce the social cost and increase the effectiveness of organizing12:41
jelknerdaniela is tasked with organizing12:41
jelknershe starts full time tomorrow12:41
jelknershe is young, smart, and technologically literate12:42
jelknerso we have a truly awesome opportunity here to see if we can build something cool12:42
replaceafilljelkner, how much should i rely on you or lelkneralfaro helping her?12:43
replaceafilljelkner,  i mean12:43
jelkneras you work through this, keep in mind lelkneralfaro sitting down with jon liss and evelyn showing off our system12:43
jelknerwhat to you mean by "helping"?12:43
replaceafilljelkner, look ath the online payment issue for example:
replaceafilljelkner, it's like the kind of "on site" help12:44
replaceafilljelkner, you were mentioning zOnny being a good position12:44
replaceafilljelkner, but we also need someone with experience doing these kind of things12:44
replaceafilljelkner, i can't help there12:45
jelknerdo you mean writing clearer user stories?12:45
replaceafilljelkner, no, the story is clear, is our support to her in this particular task that is not12:45
replaceafilljelkner, do we use paypal, stripe, etc?12:45
replaceafilljelkner, which one is better for novalaciros interests12:45
replaceafilljelkner, and so on12:46
jelknerwe should discuss those together12:46
jelknerbtw. this is a great story12:46
replaceafilljelkner, it is12:46
replaceafilljelkner, and it pushed me to do some paypal sandbox experimenting last week12:46
jelkneri'll be sending out an email to nea4or in a few minutes12:46
jelknerwe may need the same story12:46
replaceafilljelkner, +112:46
jelknerso we will want a good, safe solution12:47
jelknerdealing with $$ sucks12:47
replaceafilljelkner, indeed12:47
jelknerso we need to off load it somewhere12:47
jelkneri would want to ask micky12:47
jelknerwe dream of ours to hack and own platforms12:48
jelknerbut until they exist, we may need to deal with the devil12:48
zOnnyzOnny sign off 12:48
replaceafilljelkner, yes, i'm afraid so12:48
replaceafillzOnny, ttyl o/12:48
replaceafilljelkner, so we need to decide the lesser of evils maybe12:49
replaceafilljelkner, maybe daniela could help with that research?12:49
zOnnyPlease replaceafill  I want to know how to handle this issues as well12:49
jelknerand we should ask micky12:49
jelknerwe want to always reach out to our community first12:49
replaceafilljelkner, +112:50
jelknerwe are involved in a collaborate process to find solutions12:50
jelknerso louis's trip to boston is good timing12:50
jelknercan we talk about that for a minute?12:50
replaceafilljelkner, sure12:50
replaceafilljelkner, what kind of training were you thinking of?12:50
replaceafilljelkner, you mentioned it in that discussion12:51
jelknerreplaceafill, let's wait for ubuntourist12:51
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jelknercool, he is here12:52
jelknerhere are my thoughts on this trip, to which i would be most grateful for your feedback12:53
jelkner1. we are now more or less ready to "join the community"12:53
jelknerby that i mean both that we have something to offer and that we require support12:54
jelkner2. louis should share with micky our present stage of development and our vision12:54
jelkner3. louis should network broadly and see if we can find partners in the community with whom we could work12:55
jelknerthose i think are his main trip goals12:55
ubuntouristDid anyone [currently present] other than me look at the Bylaws of tech co-ops listed on the Internet of Ownership site?12:56
jelknernot i12:56
jelknerreplaceafill, thoughts?12:57
replaceafillme neither, i checked the ones jelkner branched off
replaceafilljelkner, are we clear enough on our vision?12:57
jelkneryou tell me, replaceafill 12:58
ubuntouristI *THINK* Louis did, but I cannot be certain. 'T'would be good to check before asking Micky, who will rightly say "Look at the bylaws on the Internet of Ownership site".12:58
replaceafilljelkner, i wouldn't be able to explain that, but maybe Louie would12:58
jelknerinteresting observation12:58
jelkneri'm really looking forward to my trip to el salvador this august12:59
jelknersince that is what i hope one of our main topics of conversation will be12:59
jelknerincluding how can we bring our vision to el salvador itself12:59
replaceafilljelkner, +112:59
ubuntouristIf we're ready, which we think we are, we should register on the IOO site as well.12:59
jelknerso that we could potentially find collaborators there as well has here12:59
ubuntourist(Register the co-op I mean.)12:59
jelknerubuntourist, we definitely should do taht13:00
replaceafilljelkner, and on 3. i guess that's where micky can help, right?13:00
jelkneryes, replaceafill 13:00
jelknernetworking broadly means reaching out to the whole cooperative movement, but micky is certainly our closest friend13:01
jelknerwe have known each other for awhile now13:01
jelknerand are building trust and respect13:01
ubuntouristI've had brief e-mail exchanges with Nathan, one of the two co-editors of "Ours to Hack and to Own" as well.13:02
jelknerok, i need to get to several tasks for today13:03
replaceafilljelkner, so i think we're on the same page regarding Louie's visit goal13:03
jelknerthanks for your time13:03
jelkneri'll be sharing this with louis at 6 pm today13:03
jelknerand wanted to talk to the two of you 1st13:03
jelknerso thanks13:03
replaceafillthank you both13:03
ubuntouristIt's more "noise" but in addition to the two mailing lists that Micky recommended, I've ended up on Mastodon's (mastodon being the politically correct, FLOSS micro-blogging system, and Loomio forums). 13:04
ubuntouristWhy work when you can just be overwhelmed with conversations? ;-)13:04
replaceafillubuntourist, i've ende up in platform-discuss13:04
jelkneri'm glad you can do that, ubuntourist 13:04
replaceafillubuntourist, :D13:04
jelkneri just can't handle the info overload13:04
ubuntouristI can't either. Grrr. 13:05
jelknerso, as you do, please alert us when something particularly relevant to what we need to do comes up13:05
replaceafilli've been following "the future of facebook" closely :)13:05
replaceafilljelkner, there was one interesting exchange about domain name providers13:05
replaceafillok, back to work for me13:06
jelknerokie dokie, replaceafill, me too13:06
replaceafillmr_german, are you still around?13:06
jelkneri'm going to sign off13:06
mr_germanreplaceafill, 13:06
replaceafilllater jelkner o/13:07
jelknerACTION signs off for the day13:07
replaceafillmr_german, i can call you if you want13:07
mr_germanreplaceafill, call to my cellphone13:07
replaceafillmr_german, ok13:07
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