IRC log of #novawebdev for Saturday, 2018-05-26

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Danygood morning 08:42
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Danyhi zOnny 10:11
zOnnyhello Dany 10:33
zOnnyDany: Did you get my email ?10:34
DanyzOnny, yes, I find a way to fix it, however something terrible happen few minutes ago :'( I edit the pag. and it looks good in the preview, so I save it and by accident the page close and when I went back, everything get lost 10:37
DanyzOnny, so I redo it 10:37
zOnnyDany: Hold on 10:38
zOnnyDany: checking ....10:38
zOnnyDany: are you sure that you saved it ?10:39
DanyzOnny, well yes, I click save in the preview page10:40
zOnnyDany: Did you edit the same Page ?10:43
DanyzOnny, yes10:43
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jelknerGood morning, Dany!10:44
Danyjelkner, hi 10:45
zOnnyDany: I don't know what happened10:45
zOnnyDany: for me it works perfectly10:45
DanyzOnny, I 101% sure that was my foul so don't worry 10:45
DanyzOnny, i'm goint to do it again ans if it happen again then we will have a problem10:46
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zOnnyDany: correct 10:46
Danyjelkner, I have a question (actually is quite dummy question) the printer need to be connect to the internet to work, right?10:47
jelknernot necessarily, Dany 10:50
jelknerif you connect it by USB directly to a computer10:51
jelknerit can print from that computer10:51
jelknerno need for a network connection10:51
jelknerbut only the USB connected computer will be able to print to it10:51
Danyjelkner, can be any USB cable?10:51
jelknerI'm reluctant to say "any", since some USB cables are for charging only10:52
jelknerand don't have data10:52
Danyoh...I think I only have the charging cables10:53
jelknerprinters use a USB cable that have type A connectors on one end10:53
jelkner(for computer)10:53
jelknerand type B connector on the other end10:53
jelkner(for printer)10:54
jelknerbtw., Dany, i have your book10:54
jelknerit arrived yesterday10:54
jelknerwhen are you coming in next?10:54
Danyjelkner, I'm going on Tuesday since the school will be close on monday, however my father maybe could pass and pick up the book today10:59
jelknertuesday will be fine, Dany 10:59
jelknerthat's enough time10:59
jelkneri'll bring it then10:59
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Danyjelkner, are you at the ACC?11:02
jelkneri am11:02
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jelknerwith hrodriguez and zOnny11:02
jelkneractually, zOnny forgot his charger and had to run home11:02
jelknerbut we are here, Dany, like usual, until 4:45 pm11:02
zOnny__jelkner: I just fixed it :)11:03
Danyjelkner, hahaha, ok well my dad is working in D.C so he is going to call me if he pass by arligton, since monday is a holyday it coulss be a perfect time to read 11:04
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zOnny__Dany it works?11:16
replaceafillgood morning jelkner11:17
jelknerGood morning, replaceafill 11:17
replaceafilljelkner, have a few minutes to talk?11:18
replaceafilljelkner, well, chat :)11:18
jelknerabsolutely, replaceafill 11:18
replaceafilljelkner, so, the thread posts are ready now11:18
jelknerthat's what we're here for ;-)11:18
jelknernice, i saw that11:18
replaceafilljelkner, but i was wondering if you could provide more details how ORA plan to use them11:19
jelknerthat would be a question for mike11:19
replaceafilljelkner, ah ok11:19
jelknercould you email mike and the sc with that question?11:19
jelknersince they are the customer, with mike doing the coordination11:19
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replaceafilljelkner, ok, i'll email mike with a link to the forums in our testing instance11:20
jelknerbut i can suggest how this will be useful in general, replaceafill 11:20
replaceafilljelkner, ah sure please11:20
jelknerfor example, we have a membership meeting for novalaciro on june 9th11:20
jelknerone of our main goals will be to find out from the members what are the issues most effecting their lives that an organization like ours can impact11:21
jelknerso, we could post a forum question like "What are the most important issues NOVALACIRO should be organizing around?"11:22
jelknerand have members post their ideas in a back and forth "conversation"11:22
jelknerdoes that make sense?11:22
replaceafilljelkner, yes11:22
jelknerbtw., i'm glad to see dsmall working on the blog11:23
jelknersince i would personally be interested in using that11:23
replaceafilljelkner, i think ORMD will need it too11:23
jelkneri've been a long time blogger already, and having a blog on our website11:23
jelknerwill encourage me to write more11:24
replaceafilljelkner, :)11:24
jelknerand others too, i'm sure11:24
replaceafilljelkner, ok, i'll email mike and send him to our example forums in the development site11:25
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zOnny___I’m out :(11:25
jelknercc the sc11:25
jelknersee you soon zOnny___ 11:25
replaceafilljelkner, eh, who's on th sc?11:25
replaceafilljelkner, oh the website!11:26
replaceafilljelkner, susan, alison, roshan and tim?11:26
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jelknerreplaceafill, and me11:40
replaceafilljelkner, i'm reusing our old tasks priority thread11:40
replaceafilljelkner, and i'll just add those 4 people11:40
jelknergood idea11:41
replaceafilljelkner, email sent11:58
zOnnynrcerna: are you around ?12:07
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jelknerping replaceafill 12:22
replaceafilljelkner, pong12:23
jelkneri was just chatting with zOnny about dsmall's project12:23
jelknerwe were discussing weather it would be better to encourage him to find the best django blog around and work to integrate it with tendenci12:24
jelkneror to continue to let him "roll his own" like he is doing now12:24
jelkneri told zOnny you are the man in charge of guiding that12:24
replaceafilljelkner, i did that12:24
jelknerbut i just wanted to let you know we were chatting about it12:24
jelkneryou did what?12:24
replaceafilljelkner, the solutions i found were not that great12:25
jelknerso we may need to roll our own?12:25
replaceafilljelkner, i recommend you to see the issue in gitlab12:25
replaceafilljelkner, comments for pages is different12:25
jelknerACTION goes to read the issue in gitlab12:25
replaceafilljelkner, that's why i recommended dsmall to use a comments packages from those alternatives12:26
replaceafilljelkner, we could develop our own12:26
replaceafilljelkner, but the alternatives i found already provide what we need12:26
jelkneri'm on gitlab, replaceafill, which project is it?12:27
replaceafilljelkner, i always rely on django packages for such research:
jelknerso replaceafill, all is well with dsmall's project?12:30
replaceafilljelkner, i think so12:31
jelknerin fact, reading over this gives me an idea for another user story12:31
replaceafilljelkner, is there any concern about this approach?12:31
jelknernot at all12:31
replaceafilljelkner, cool12:31
jelknerzOnny was just talking to me about it12:31
jelkneri didn't bring it up12:31
jelknerzOnny did12:31
replaceafillzOnny, do you have any concern about this?12:31
jelknerwhile we wait for zOnny to respond12:32
jelknerreplaceafill, i want to be able to cross post blog entries!12:32
jelknerin other words, i want to write a blog post and then have it appear on both the ora and the novalaciro blogs12:33
replaceafilljelkner, i don't think we'll get there...12:33
jelknerfine, replaceafill 12:33
zOnnyreplaceafill: I just want to help him to get something done12:33
jelknerbut one can dream ;-)12:33
replaceafilljelkner, indeed12:33
replaceafillzOnny, what do you mean?12:33
zOnnyThere is a good Repos about Blogs12:33
replaceafillzOnny, such as?12:33
replaceafillzOnny, ?12:36
zOnnyreplaceafill: I was checking the issue 12:38
zOnnyreplaceafill: did you check his repo ?12:40
zOnnyI mean dsmall repo ?12:40
replaceafillzOnny, yes12:40
replaceafillzOnny, it'd be helpful if you'd express what you're thinking...12:41
replaceafillzOnny, i didn't understand what you meant by " I just want to help him to get something done"12:41
nrcernaHi zOnny12:41
zOnnyreplaceafill: I was pointing him some repos to get a guidance on it 12:42
zOnnyreplaceafill: which you already posted above
replaceafillzOnny, ok12:43
replaceafillzOnny, jelkner for the record i think we're in a good shape12:44
replaceafillzOnny, jelkner even if dsmall for some reason is not able to finish the task12:44
replaceafillzOnny, jelkner tendenci already has everything we need (except for comments) to get this done12:44
replaceafillzOnny, jelkner we'll see how far we get12:45
replaceafillzOnny, one thing you could really help dsmall12:45
replaceafillzOnny, in fact i was going to ask you to help him with that12:45
replaceafillzOnny, is to "theme" his work12:45
replaceafillzOnny, currently he has just basic html templates12:45
zOnnyreplaceafill: I told him about it12:45
zOnnyreplaceafill: He wants to to everything by himself12:46
zOnnyWhich is understandable12:46
replaceafillzOnny, by himself? you mean not getting any help?12:46
replaceafillzOnny, or by himself as in coding his own solutions?12:46
jelkneri think that latter, replaceafill 12:47
zOnnyreplaceafill: by himself about coding each file 12:47
jelknerthat's what zOnny has been telling me12:48
jelknerso replaceafill, i basically want to stay out of this unless i can be useful12:49
zOnnyI am not complaining anything about him, He is really good and he learn fast 12:49
jelkner(and too many cooks, spoil the broth ;-)12:49
zOnnyI am just assisting in things that I can Help replaceafill 12:50
jelknerbut as i mentioned to zOnny, the sweet spot we are looking for is an experience that helps dsmall really grow as a young developer12:50
replaceafillto both of you: zzzzzzzzzzzzzz12:50
replaceafillthe three of us are in this neck deep12:50
replaceafillotherwise we wouldn't be doing it...12:51
zOnnyWell, also his skills in python is helping me as well12:51
replaceafillzOnny, i know12:51
jelknerACTION drops out of this conversation so as not to spoil the broth12:51
replaceafilljelkner, :/12:51
jelknerACTION returns to doing teacher stuff12:51
replaceafillzOnny, jelkner guys i'm telling you, i *think* we're fine12:52
jelkneri believe you, replaceafill 12:52
zOnnyreplaceafill: cool12:52
jelknercien por ciento12:52
jelknerit's just that when zOnny talks, i listen ;-)12:52
replaceafilljelkner, that's why i'm so interested in understanding zOnny12:53
replaceafillbut we have this communication issue with him12:53
jelknerbut let's not over think this12:53
jelknerahh, that is something worth discussing12:53
replaceafilljelkner, it is!12:53
jelknersince i am completely unaware, please enlighten me12:54
replaceafill*i* have an tech issue in our organization, i need to come up with tech solutions12:54
jelknerfor sure12:54
replaceafilli usually can't discuss tech decisions with anyone in our org12:55
replaceafilland i would really like12:55
replaceafillwhen zOnny comes up with something12:55
replaceafilli consider it really interesting12:55
replaceafillbecause i either get feedback about something12:56
replaceafillor clarify some idea i have just by talking about it12:56
replaceafillbut zOnny usually starts talking about something, some issue12:56
replaceafilland then suddenly either disappears (disconnects)12:56
replaceafillor just stops talking...12:56
replaceafillsigh anyway12:57
replaceafilllet's move on12:57
replaceafillwe have to work12:57
jelknerlast thought on this, replaceafill 12:57
jelkneras we have discussed, it is a big problem that you "usually can't discuss tech decisions with anyone in our org"12:58
jelkner#1 on my agenda in conversing with micky in ny next weekend is just that12:59
jelkneri am basically going to say that i think we have reached a stage where we have been successful12:59
jelknerand have one professional backend developer and two really promising aspiring developers under his tutelage 13:00
jelknerbut that to make it to the next business phase, we are going to have to partner with at least another experienced developer or two13:01
jelknerto be ready to handle larger, paying customers13:01
replaceafill"who is interested in Tendenci"?13:01
jelkneri'm hoping the agaric developer who turned us on to tendenci will be such a person13:02
replaceafilljelkner, you know i really respect you13:02
jelknerdoes that make sense?13:02
replaceafilljelkner, but i think you got that story backwards13:02
jelknerfine, replaceafill, that's why we are discussing it13:02
jelknerhow do you see it?13:02
replaceafilljelkner, ben found tendenci through his reasearch13:02
replaceafilljelkner, martin (who's their python person) just said something like: "hm interesting"13:03
replaceafilljelkner, and they're a php shop so they're civicrm users13:03
replaceafilljelkner, i personally don't see much opportunity in agaric helping us with Tendenci13:04
jelknerok, replaceafill, that may be a sound assessment13:04
replaceafilljelkner, but i do know agaric has a lot of connections13:04
replaceafilljelkner, i mean developer connections13:04
jelknernot only that, but if you've had a chance to look through "Ours To Hack and To Own"13:05
replaceafilljelkner, i bet somewhere in the world there's a django developer with free time that is interested in the causes we work with13:05
jelknerwe are working toward the same ends13:05
jelknerto me, that is crucial13:05
jelknersince we need to find a way to continue to generate $5K in income over the next several months13:06
replaceafilljelkner, indeed13:06
jelknerin order to stay "in business"13:06
jelknerwe want to do that by helping to build the movement13:06
jelknerso does agaric13:06
replaceafilloops +113:07
jelknerthey have more experience in making that happen13:07
jelknerwe now need to reach out to them ask for guidance13:07
jelknerthat's what i'll be doing in ny13:07
jelkneri'll talk to everyone i can there13:07
replaceafilljelkner, cool13:07
jelknerand say, "here's where we are at.  we really need help figuring out what to do next"13:08
jelknera bit on timeline13:08
replaceafilli hope you find that answer my friend13:08
jelkneri will keep looking until i do, my friend13:08
jelkner(stubborn and stupid, remember? ;=)13:09
replaceafilljust like i feel with our tech solutions ;)13:09
jelknerso, june is the "put polish on our product by working in an agile way with real customers month"13:09
jelknerDany has been fantastic13:10
jelknersince she has enough tech skills to be a great customer13:10
replaceafillnovalaciro is a great oppornutiy for features13:10
replaceafillfor testing/developing features13:10
jelknerand she is coming up with feature requests on her own that i knew would be needed13:10
jelknerbut now we have a real customer asking for them13:10
jelknersoon after my return from minneapolis13:11
jelkner(july 9)13:11
jelkneri'll reach out to twu / nvm13:11
jelknerwe will be ready by then to show them what we can do13:11
jelknerthey want the same things novalaciro wants13:11
replaceafilli found funny that last time we talked to nvm (Jon) we hadn't done much...13:12
replaceafillnow we can go back and show relatively a lot :D13:12
jelkneryes indeed13:12
jelknerthat is a huge confidence builder13:12
jelknerwe look really good, my friend13:12
jelknerwe can plan, and we can implement13:12
jelknerwe also need to begin reaching out to other union locals13:13
jelknerunfortunately, things *really* slow down in NEA locals during the Summer13:13
replaceafillah, good point13:13
jelknerbut we need to be ready to hit the ground running by september13:14
jelknerin the mean time, we should see if we can branch out to other unions13:14
jelknerthat are active in the summer13:14
jelknerlastly, i'm going to be trying to arrange for meetings in el salvador when in come in august13:14
jelknerwith organizations that might need what we are developing13:15
replaceafillACTION crosses fingers13:15
jelknerand have the political wisdom to want to support free software development in el salvador13:15
jelkneragain, stubborn and stupid13:15
jelkneri wont' give up until either i succeed or i'm dead13:15
replaceafillmotivational fuel by jelkner ;)13:16
jelknerok, let's get some work done13:16
jelkneri have teacher stuff i need to do13:16
jelknerlater gater13:16
replaceafillthanks guys13:16
replaceafilllater o/13:16
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jelknermjsir911, you're not joining us tomorrow, yes?13:44
mr_germanreplaceafill, are you around?13:54
replaceafillmr_german, i'm about to leave13:54
replaceafillmr_german, what do you need?13:54
mr_germanreplaceafill, im think the site is ready13:55
mr_germanbut i'll remove "chapters from footer"13:55
mr_germanit doesn't have any page13:55
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jelknergood afternoon, nrcerna_ 14:00
zOnnyHOla nrcerna_14:00
zOnnyor Hola Mundo ? :D14:01
nrcerna_Good Afternoon jelkner :) , Hola zOnny 14:01
jelknernrcerna_, i spoke with paul flint this morning14:01
jelknerabout his logo14:01
jelknerhe likes what you did14:01
jelknerbut he has his own ideas as to what he wants14:02
jelknerhere is what he described to me:14:02
jelknerhe wants an outline of a fedora14:02
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jelknerthe fedora will be over the name "Flint"14:03
jelknerthere is a star in the fedora14:03
jelknerthat is also the dot of the letter "i" in Flint14:03
replaceafill_mr_german, cool14:03
jelknerthat's what he gave me over the phone14:04
jelknerdo you think you can play with that?14:04
jelknerkeep track of your hours14:04
jelknerso you can invoice14:04
jelknerif you had something for ubuntourist to look at tomorrow14:04
jelknerthat would be helpful14:04
jelknersince he can act as Flint's surrogate on this14:05
jelknernrcerna_, any questions?14:06
nrcerna_I think that's great information to do something, Ok jelkner It will be done by tomorrow! 14:06
nrcerna_Did he say something about colors?14:07
zOnnynrcerna_: unfortunately no14:08
zOnnynrcerna_: the color on this looks good 14:10
mr_germanACTION brb14:14
jelknernrcerna_, just use your best judgment, and *keep track of your time*!14:25
jelknerwe are doing the best we can for him14:26
jelknerbut if he won't provide detailed information, we have to just do what we think best14:26
jelknerif he doesn't like it, he can pay us to change it14:26
jelknerso keep track of all your hours14:26
jelknersound good, nrcerna_?14:27
jelknermjsir911, did you get the tar file you needed from the students server?14:29
nrcerna_I'll do it jelkner  :) 14:30
nrcerna_De nada! jelkner 14:40
nrcerna_Thanks zOnny  :D14:40
mr_germanjelkner, are you there?15:06
jelkneri am, mr_german 15:14
mr_germanjelkner, did you meet with replaceafill_ to talk about the ormd15:15
jelkneri did not15:15
jelkneri thought i would be meeting with you, mr_german 15:15
mr_germanjelkner, mm, well the site is ready15:16
mr_germanjelkner, it has all the content15:16
jelknercan i see?15:16
jelknerACTION goes to look15:16
replaceafillmr_german, that's your job now15:17
jelkneri see one small thing we need right away, mr_german 15:17
replaceafillmr_german, my only job is to check that you're not getting delayed15:17
mr_germanjelkner, tell me15:17
replaceafillmr_german, but you should handle that with jelkner from now on15:17
replaceafillmr_german, and the ormd people15:17
jelknerwe put Tendenci - The Open Source AMS15:17
jelknerbelow our logo on all our sites now15:17
replaceafillmr_german, i told you to ask that to zOnny...15:17
replaceafillmr_german, he can tell you how to do that15:18
jelknerwe need to give credit where credit is due15:18
replaceafillmr_german, we should do it the same way everywhere15:18
jelknerthis is great, mr_german!15:18
mr_germanreplaceafill, ik how to do that15:18
jelknerwe are ready for our meeting tomorrow15:18
replaceafillmr_german, ok, just make sure you do it the same way15:18
mr_germanreplaceafill, ok115:19
jelkneryou will be available at 1 pm to meet, mr_german, yes?15:19
jelknerwe will need you tomorrow15:19
mr_germanjelkner, yes!15:19
mr_germanjelkner, ofc ;)15:19
jelknergracias, mr_german!15:20
mr_germande nada jelkner 15:20
replaceafillACTION goes to get lunch15:20
mr_germanjelkner, replaceafill i'll add "tendenci" to the footer15:20
replaceafillsee you tomorrow everybody15:20
mr_germanreplaceafill, see you o/15:20
jelknermr_german, can i send that link to kyle and susannah now?15:23
jelknerso they can look things over and think about changes they want before our meeting?15:23
mr_germanjelkner, if it is look for you15:23
mr_germando it ;)15:24
mr_germanjelkner, do you need anything from me?15:33
jelkneremail sent, mr_german 15:43
jelknerdid you receive it?15:43
mr_germanjelkner, yes i did15:43
jelknerno, that's all for today15:43
jelkneri'm signing off15:43
mr_germanjelkner, cool, me too15:44
jelkneruntil tomorrow15:44
mr_germansee you tomorrow!15:44
mr_germanHasta pronto15:44
jelknerACTION signs off for the day!15:44
jelknerhasta pronton, mr_german!15:44
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