IRC log of #novawebdev for Sunday, 2018-06-03

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ubuntourist!remind Heads-up from Gallaudet: Chip is "waffling" but wants a Django expert.10:00
Big_Brother"Heads-up from Gallaudet: Chip is waffling but wants a Django expert." added to message queue10:00
ubuntourist!remind We should be using pipenv instead of pip and virtualenv.10:00
Big_Brother"We should be using pipenv instead of pip and virtualenv." added to message queue10:00
ubuntourist!remind Beware unreadable dark blue logos on dark backgrounds.10:01
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Big_BrotherHeads-up from Gallaudet: Chip is waffling but wants a Django expert. 11:23
Big_BrotherHeads-up from Gallaudet: Chip is waffling but wants a Django expert.11:30
replaceafillgood morning everybody11:30
hrodriguezGood Morning 11:31
replaceafilli think all items in today's agenda are yours ubuntourist, want to take it away?11:31
ubuntouristI guess I'll go ahead.11:31
replaceafillubuntourist, quick question, what does "waffling" means here?11:32
ubuntouristSo. replaceafill you previously had a look at my mess of code from before I officially left Gallaudet. (The Django stuff that produced the book chapter and searchable web site.)11:33
replaceafillubuntourist, yes11:33
ubuntouristCharles "Chip" Reilly, is the director responsible for gathering the data and producing the book chapter.11:33
ubuntouristFor months he's been rather vague about whether or not he's going to hire NOVA Web Development to do it this year. Waffling = Flip-flopping = Not coming to a real decision.11:34
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replaceafillubuntourist, ah, thanks11:35
ubuntouristI recently had an opportunity to chat with him face-to-face and he said he wanted us to do it but then asked if we could postpone billing until October 1.11:36
ubuntouristI said we'd need to have a serious conversation with both Louis and you (replaceafill) and possibly others.11:36
replaceafillubuntourist, right11:37
ubuntouristHe's not as bad as Flint but has trouble articulating what he wants or when he wants it.11:37
ubuntouristThe biggest problem as I see it is "herding cats": Faculty tend to take the summer off, and then at the beginning of the semester (September), they're very busy with starting classes.11:39
replaceafillubuntourist, very good point11:39
ubuntouristthey are then told that they need to hand in all of their research abstracts into the system that produces the book, and that it must be done by October 1.11:39
ubuntouristSomeone (not NOVA Web Development) has to chase them down and flog them until they submit their research.11:40
ubuntouristNOVA Web's job would be to clean up my work and create a system that allows data collection, followed by some sort of review / approval, followed by book generation.11:41
replaceafillubuntourist, is that the same date when the book has to be produced/published/sent to the interested parties?11:41
ubuntouristMy system does all that, but does it badly.11:41
ubuntouristreplaceafill, Well THEORETICALLY.  We've NEVER made the deadlines. The book has been produced every year since I arrived on campus, but it was only in the last 5 years that I took over the production.11:43
ubuntouristEven before I took over, the book was never produced on time.11:43
replaceafillubuntourist, i assume because of people not entering their research data11:44
replaceafillubuntourist, not because the system not being usable/ready11:44
ubuntouristThe research part that Chip is responsible for is only one chapter. The chapter then must be given to a design team to incorporate it into the full book.11:44
ubuntouristreplaceafill, both: My system is slow, and there were always parts that required intervention by me. People cut and pasted Word documents and other stuff, and so I would go11:46
replaceafillubuntourist, ah11:46
ubuntouristin with SQL scripts that I wrote that take out weird characters, etc. I did a poor job of making it idiot-proof.11:46
ubuntouristTo finish up: I will try to get Chip to sit down with Louis first, and if that goes well, then a conference call of some kind with you involved.11:48
replaceafillubuntourist, +111:48
ubuntouristThe other two reminders were just reoccuring thoughts on my part.11:49
replaceafilli really liked kenneth reitz talk on pycon about pipenv:
ubuntouristI keep seeing the logo show up in footers where the contrast is pretty bad and I want to keep reminding people of that.11:50
ubuntouristAnd I've started using pipenv. If it's good enough for the PSF and Kenneth Reitz, it's good enough for NOVA Web Development. ;-)11:51
ubuntouristSo, just nudging us in that direction. But you seem to be expressing a bit of hesitation with the 0.5... Because it's problematic?11:52
mjsir911I haven11:52
mjsir911I haven't been sold on this whole Pipenv thing yet, but I'll be willing to look into it, but I've had no issues with requirements.txt so far11:53
replaceafillubuntourist, same ^11:53
replaceafillubuntourist, i don't need the "niceties?" it has11:54
ubuntourist(I have no problem staying with Python 2.7, but everyone else, especially jelkner, wants to move to Python 3.6...)11:54
replaceafillubuntourist, but it looks ways easier for people new to virtualenv pip and all that mess11:54
replaceafillall of our installation docs always start with "find your virtualenvironment directory..."11:55
replaceafilllike "good luck with that..."11:55
mjsir911I guess what I would hope for is the automation of pipenv without the complication of the pipenv file replacing requirements.txt11:56
replaceafilli'm interested in the environment variables handling feature11:56
replaceafillthat could be useful to us11:57
replaceafillhelios relies a lot on that11:57
mjsir911Yea perhaps, I have a feeling this is an inevitability but I would still approach with caution11:58
ubuntouristpipenv detects requirements.txt and produces a Pipfile from it... Just as the pressure is on to move to Python 3, I felt there was similar pressure to move away from pip/virtualenv to pipenv.  Anyway, I've monopolized the meeting this week. So... anyone else?11:58
ubuntouristzOnny, nrcerna any thoughts on the crazy man from VT? ;-)11:59
zOnnyHello World11:59
zOnnyI am dealing with that ubuntourist 12:01
nrcernaHello :)12:01
zOnnynrcerna: Is there a final logo design for him ?12:02
nrcernaI sent him the last changes he request,but he didnt answer zOnny 12:03
ubuntouristMy thinking with zOnny this morning was to just hand him the Tendenci site at this point and show him and maybe Judith how to admin the site and manage content directly instead of trying to read his mind.12:03
nrcernaJudy, suggest that he need to focus in other things than the Logo design12:04
ubuntouristI think the primary election is less than two weeks away. I agree with Judy. It's time for him to move on to content.12:04
nrcernaSo I think he will take the last 'tilt' version  zOnny ,it is in GDRIVE folder12:06
zOnnynrcerna: thanks12:06
nrcernazOnny:  :-) 12:06
replaceafillok, gravel time?12:07
ubuntouristActually I was wrong: He's got time. says August 14th is the voting.12:07
ubuntouristreplaceafill, Yeah....12:07
ubuntouristACTION drops the bag...12:07
replaceafillthanks everybody12:08
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