IRC log of #novawebdev for Friday, 2018-06-22

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nrcernaMorning jelkner 10:14
nrcernaGood *10:15
jelknermorning, nrcerna 10:19
jelkneri'm emailing our speaker again10:19
jelknerwe need a title for her talk10:19
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jelknerin the mean time, i'm wondering if you can use the pictures she sent and the bio10:19
jelknerand work on a 1/4 (or even 1/6) size mini flier we could hand out to promote her talk10:20
jelkneryou have her name10:20
jelkneri need to send you the place and time10:20
jelknerand then the title of the talk10:20
jelknerthat's what i'm working on now10:20
jelknerdo you have enought to begin layout?10:21
jelkneri can't walk and chew gum at the same time, as we say10:21
jelknerso i need to focus on one task at a time10:21
jelknerACTION goes to finish email10:21
nrcernaOk, I'm going to check her picture and yes I already have enough to make a sample jelkner , Thanks 10:25
jelkneremail sent10:29
jelknerlet me get you the place and time, nrcerna 10:29
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nrcerna_jelkner:  I couldnt see her attachment 10:36
nrcerna_She wrote this:" Attached is a bio and a few different photos - a couple professional head shots (color and B&W) as well as a motion action oriented photo - I'll let you choose.", but I cant reach any file, jelkner10:37
jelknerWhere: Minneapolis Convention Center, Room M100A, 1301 2nd Ave S, Minneapolis, MN 5540310:37
jelknerlet me download and send those to you10:38
jelknerWhen: Sunday, July 1st, 12 noon to 1 pm10:39
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nrcerna_Ok, thank you jelkner 10:42
nrcerna_Dont forget the "Catchy title" jelkner 10:47
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zOnnyHello World!10:59
zOnnyhey replaceafill 10:59
replaceafillhello zOnny10:59
zOnnyreplaceafill: did everyone receive the notification for setting novawebdev accounts up ?11:01
zOnnyreplaceafill: I have hrodriguez next to me11:02
replaceafillzOnny, i only created accounts for people i notified in the gitlab issue11:02
jelknernrcerna, we are working on the title11:03
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zOnnyreplaceafill: Oops I got it11:03
jelknerrose proposed a good one: Education and heal - why teachers and nurses must lead in Labor for Our Revolution11:04
jelkneryou will see a follow up email, nrcerna_ nrcerna, i'm waiting to hear back from ingrid about "teachers" vs "education workers"11:04
nrcerna_That's I was wondering, jelkner11:07
nrcerna_will I place her picture and ingfo in the flyer too? jelkner 11:08
nrcerna_Info*11:08
replaceafillzOnny, why do you keep commenting out code we don't need?11:12
replaceafillzOnny, why not deleting the code alltogether11:12
replaceafillzOnny, https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/nova-base-theme/blob/novawebdev_prod/templates/sidebar.html#L15-3011:12
zOnnyreplaceafill: I can fix it 11:18
replaceafillzOnny, i know you can fix it11:18
replaceafillzOnny, but i want to understand why you always take that same decision?11:18
zOnnyreplaceafill: I have this habit of not touching others code11:19
replaceafillzOnny, sigh...11:19
replaceafillzOnny, could you get rid of that habit?11:20
replaceafillzOnny, its not others code11:20
replaceafillzOnny, your not a junior developer anymroe11:20
replaceafillzOnny, you're an experimented theme designer by now11:20
zOnnyreplaceafill: I need an urgent treatment 11:20
replaceafillzOnny, just try doing it ok11:20
replaceafillzOnny, control version is your friend and a good tool11:21
zOnnyreplaceafill: thanks for that words :'(11:21
replaceafillzOnny, if you get rid of something that was actually important it will always be there11:21
replaceafillzOnny, and we can recover it11:21
replaceafillzOnny, commented code becomes cruft11:21
replaceafillzOnny, do you know how money loans work?11:21
replaceafillzOnny, interests and all that ****11:22
replaceafillzOnny, ask jelkner about technical debt11:22
zOnnyreplaceafill: I don't know about money yet11:22
replaceafillzOnny, that's fine11:22
replaceafillzOnny, cruft will kill us in the long term11:22
replaceafillzOnny, so we should try to minimize it11:23
replaceafillzOnny, tomorrow a junior theme designer will get to your changes and get confused why that part was commented out11:23
replaceafillzOnny, if it's not being used11:23
replaceafillACTION is done11:23
zOnnyreplaceafill: that make sense11:24
replaceafillnrcerna nrcerna_ you around?11:29
nrcerna_Hei replaceafill 11:30
replaceafillnrcerna_ i know you're working on something else right now11:30
replaceafillnrcerna_ but when you have a chance could you take a look at https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/novawebdev-ams/issues/18#note_8344274311:30
replaceafillnrcerna_ and see if you can help zOnny11:30
replaceafillnrcerna_ we need the favicon to be transparent11:31
nrcerna_Ok, replaceafill I'm going to do that today :)11:31
replaceafillnrcerna_ cool, thanks11:31
nrcerna_Yw11:32
replaceafillnrcerna_ this is the current favicon in case it's useful https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/nova-base-theme/blob/novawebdev_prod/media/img/novafavicon.png11:32
zOnnyreplaceafill: once you said "The favicon should be a square image."11:38
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replaceafillzOnny, yes?11:38
zOnnyI figure out that you didn't agree with the one that we had before11:39
replaceafillzOnny, by square image i probably meant pixels in the image file11:39
replaceafillzOnny, not the actual shape of the icon11:40
zOnnyreplaceafill: how is square for you ?11:40
replaceafillzOnny, it's a 32x32 or 64x64 pixels11:40
replaceafillzOnny, for example11:40
replaceafillzOnny, inside that you can have a triangle if you want11:40
replaceafillzOnny, i suggested using the NOVA globle because it's a circle that fits well inside a square image11:41
replaceafillzOnny, the only problem i have with the one you extracted is that is not transparent11:41
zOnnyreplaceafill: I miss understood 11:41
zOnnyreplaceafill: sorry about that :(11:42
replaceafillzOnny, you should run graphic design decisions with nrcerna_11:42
replaceafillzOnny, as much as possible11:42
replaceafillzOnny, i know you want to move fast11:42
zOnnyreplaceafill: not really11:43
replaceafillzOnny, but we're a team :)11:43
replaceafillzOnny, ok, you want to move slow then :P11:43
Danyreplaceafill, Hola11:45
replaceafillhola Dany11:45
Danyreplaceafill, estoy trabajando con el thunderbird en ubunto pero sigue sin dejarme mandar respuestas 11:48
replaceafillDany, ah ok11:49
replaceafillDany, lo tenés con vos ahorita?11:49
Danyreplaceafill, si11:49
replaceafillDany, ok, dame un par de minutos y vemos que le pasa, ok?11:49
Danyreplaceafill, ok11:51
replaceafillzOnny, we can cloase https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/novawebdev-ams/issues/14 right?11:53
replaceafillclose*11:53
zOnnyreplaceafill: please :)11:56
zOnnyreplaceafill: I don't understand yet why that words 11:57
replaceafillzOnny, why we use that copyright notice?11:57
replaceafillDany, ok, terminé11:58
replaceafillDany, podrías cerrar thunderbird, volverlo abrir e intentar escribirme12:00
zOnnyreplaceafill: yep12:05
replaceafillzOnny, it's right in the issue description...12:06
Danyreplaceafill, ok tengo una pequena lista de cosas que necesito hacer12:22
replaceafillDany, ah ok12:22
replaceafillDany, avisame cuando podamos probar12:22
Danyreplaceafill, si estas disponible ya, podemos hacerlo ya12:22
replaceafillDany, quiero poner atencion a como el servidor responde realmente cuando te tratas de conectar12:23
replaceafillDany, si claro12:23
replaceafillDany, cerra thunderbird12:23
replaceafillnrcerna_ please discuss this with zOnny: https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/novawebdev-ams/issues/2012:23
replaceafillnrcerna_ and maybe Louie too12:24
replaceafillDany, luego abrilo nuevamente y trata de enviarme un correo12:24
replaceafillnrcerna_ i like your flyer :)12:27
zOnnynrcerna_: I will wait for your suggestions 12:28
Danyreplaceafill, ok, te aviso que pasa12:29
replaceafillDany, dale12:29
nrcerna_Ok replaceafill, yo lo discutiré con ellos, he estadocon Louie por hangouts, por eso me tardo un poco12:30
nrcerna_Me alegro que te guste replaceafill 12:30
replaceafillnrcerna_ dale no hay problema12:30
nrcerna_Ok zOnny :) 12:30
replaceafillnrcerna_ zOnny remember it's best to use the gitlab issues for communicating about them12:31
replaceafillDany, ya intetaste?12:32
nrcerna_Got it! replaceafill 12:33
Danyreplaceafill, si, no funciono12:33
replaceafillDany, y te dio el mismo error que te dio en tu casa?12:34
replaceafillDany, el pantallazo que me enviaste hace un par de dias12:34
Danyreplaceafill, si12:34
replaceafillDany, ok12:34
Danyreplaceafill, te lo acabe de mandar al correo12:35
replaceafillDany, y esta no es la computadora donde inicialmente lo configuraste, verdad?12:36
replaceafillDany, es otra que configuraste después12:36
jelknernrcerna_, can we talk about the flier?12:36
Danyreplaceafill, si, esta es mi computadora personal12:36
jelknerit looks beautiful12:36
replaceafillDany, entendido12:36
replaceafillDany, veamos si es la configuración12:37
jelknerACTION is confused, nrcerna is away, but nrcerna_ is here?12:37
replaceafillDany, viste mi correo con los pasos que te envié hace un par de días?12:38
nrcerna_Sorry, jelkner I'm online from my phone and my pc12:39
Danyreplaceafill, el que usamos para configuarar la cuenta inicial?12:39
replaceafillDany, mi ultima respuesta al thread "Problemita con thunderbird"12:40
replaceafillDany, 08:14 pm del 20 de junio12:40
nrcerna_I'm trying to be conected jelkner 12:40
Danyreplaceafill, oh si si ya lo encontre12:40
replaceafillDany, el objetivo es llegar a este dialogo: http://write.flossmanuals.net/thunderbird/account-set-up/static/Thunderbird-set_up-account_edit_smtp_settings_2-en.JPG12:41
replaceafillDany, pero con la información que tiene tu máquina12:41
replaceafillDany, según el registro del servidor no veo problemas de conexión12:41
replaceafillDany, dejame enviarte un correo12:41
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replaceafillDany, revisá tu thunderbird12:42
replaceafillDany, y decime si tenés un correo nuevo mío12:43
Danyreplaceafill, si me llego12:44
replaceafillDany, ok, entonces no es problema de conexión12:44
replaceafillDany, es seguramente la configuración del correo de salida12:44
Danyreplaceafill, https://imgur.com/a/bMxuTSa asi es como se queda por al menos 5 minutos12:45
Danyreplaceafill, ok12:45
replaceafillDany, correcto, no se conecta12:45
replaceafillDany, seguramente está usando un parametro incorrecto12:45
replaceafillDany, andá al thread del problemita y vamos por pasos, ok?12:46
replaceafillDany, 1. En el menú buscá Tools -> Account Settings (también le podés dar12:46
replaceafillclick derecho a tu dirección de correo en la barra lateral izquierda).12:46
Danyreplaceafill, ok, te sigo12:46
Danyreplaceafill, ok12:46
replaceafillDany, algo remotamente parecido?12:46
replaceafillDany,  a Tools -> Account Settings en el menu?12:47
replaceafillDany, yo lo tengo en Edit -> Account Settings :S12:47
replaceafillDany, buscamos un dialogo como este: http://write.flossmanuals.net/thunderbird/account-set-up/static/Thunderbird-set_up-account_edit_smtp_settings_1-en.JPG12:48
Danyreplaceafill, https://imgur.com/a/WNd9xVu12:52
replaceafillDany, excelente12:53
replaceafillDany, dale click a Edit12:53
replaceafillDany, y enviame el pantallazo por correo12:53
replaceafillDany, no imgur :)12:53
replaceafillDany, ah12:53
replaceafillDany, never mind12:53
replaceafillDany, ya vi lo queria ver12:54
Danyreplaceafill, oh, ya te habia mandado la imagen lol12:55
jelknerahh nrcerna nrcerna_12:57
jelknerwhich one is you?12:57
jelknerand did you see my email?12:57
jelknerreplaceafill, be sure to help nrcerna bill for her time!12:58
nrcerna_You can use both I gues jelkner 12:58
jelknerdid you see my email?12:58
nrcerna_guess*12:58
jelknerok, nrcerna_ nrcerna, i'll use both ;-)12:58
nrcerna_Yes, I'm about to upload the last version with the changes jelkner 12:58
jelknersweet12:59
jelknersorry to bother12:59
jelknerACTION waits to let nrcerna finish her work ;-)12:59
replaceafillDany, todo me parece bien hhmm13:00
nrcernaNp jelkner 13:01
nrcerna_the folder is updated jelkner 13:01
Danyreplaceafill, entonces? trato de nuevo responder tu email?13:02
replaceafillDany, no creo que te funcione13:03
replaceafillDany, estoy tratando de pensar cual puede ser el problema...13:03
Danyreplaceafill, ok 13:03
replaceafillDany, estoy revisando todo tu historial de conexion al servidor13:05
Danyreplaceafill, ok13:07
replaceafillDany, hhmm interesante13:09
replaceafillDany, cerra thunderbird otra vez porfa13:09
replaceafillDany, y abrilo13:09
replaceafillDany, proba un envio13:09
Danyreplaceafill, ya13:09
Danyreplaceafill, no, volvio a salirme el error :(13:12
replaceafillDany, ggrr13:12
replaceafillDany, probamos la opcion cavernicola?13:13
replaceafillDany, deshacernos de todo y volver a empezar?13:13
replaceafillDany, tenes a zOnny cerca?13:13
Danyreplaceafill, si, esta en frente mio13:14
replaceafillDany, ok13:14
replaceafillzOnny, could you help me with a terminal task13:14
replaceafillzOnny, we need to check for a hidden directory in Dany's computer13:15
replaceafillzOnny, and it's easier to do it through the terminal13:15
Danyreplaceafill,  which hidden directory 13:16
replaceafillls .thunderbird13:16
DanyHello World!13:17
replaceafillDany, zOnny if that shows any output13:17
replaceafillor13:17
replaceafillls ~/.thunderbird13:17
Danyreplaceafill, I am In13:17
replaceafillso if the directory is there13:17
replaceafillclose thunderbird13:17
Danyreplaceafill, correct13:17
replaceafilland do:13:18
replaceafillmv ~/.thunderbird ~/.thunderbird-old13:18
replaceafillclose thunderbird first13:18
replaceafillrename the directory13:18
replaceafilland open thunderbird again13:18
replaceafillthunderbird should start empty13:18
replaceafillwith no account13:18
replaceafillDany, you'll need to go through the setup procedure again13:19
replaceafillDany, mi última bala es el certificado personalizado que usa el servidor de novalaciro13:19
replaceafillDany, que de alguna forma no lo haya bajado tu maquina13:19
replaceafillDany, este paso del documento:13:20
replaceafillIn the Add Security Exception dialog make sure the checkbox Permanently store this exception is checked and click the Confirm Security Exception button13:20
replaceafillDany, paso 813:20
replaceafilljelkner, i didn't know you could spell it both flier and flyer :)13:21
Danyreplaceafill, configuro el correo como antes?13:22
replaceafillDany, porfa13:23
replaceafillDany, disculpá que te ponga trabajo extra encima13:23
replaceafillDany, pero no veo nada que me de una pista13:23
Danyreplaceafill, nah, it's ok :)13:23
replaceafillaja!13:25
replaceafillDany, ahora veo errores13:25
replaceafillDany, aunque no tengo idea que significan :S13:25
replaceafillConnection closed (IDLE running for 0.001 + waiting input for 959.320 secs, 2 B in + 10+0 B out, state=wait-input) in=331 out=395713:25
replaceafillDany, o será ese tu teléfono...13:26
zOnnyreplaceafill: Dany 's laptop is freezing13:28
replaceafillzOnny, :(13:28
replaceafillzOnny, it needs some heat!13:29
replaceafillbadabum! :D13:29
DanyDany, voy a update mi compu, al rato vengo13:30
replaceafillDany, ok13:30
zOnnyreplaceafill: I've already hit it13:33
replaceafillzOnny, with a hammer?13:33
replaceafillok, i'll go back to work instead of making lame jokes...13:33
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Danyreplaceafill, :( no funciono :'(13:53
replaceafillDany, es problema de tu thunderbird13:54
replaceafillDany, active el registro completamente13:54
Danyreplaceafill, deberia borrarlo y re-instalarlo?13:54
replaceafillDany, solo para verificar13:54
replaceafillDany, cerralo y volve a probar13:54
Danyreplaceafill, como activo el registro?13:54
replaceafillDany, no13:55
replaceafillDany, me refiero al registro en el servidor13:55
replaceafillDany, ahorita veo super detallado como el servidor responde a tu conexion13:55
Danyreplaceafill, y eso es bueno?13:55
replaceafillDany, si13:56
replaceafillDany, lo malo es que no se cual es la causa de los errores13:56
Danyreplaceafill, :(13:57
Danyreplaceafill, que hacemos entonces?14:01
replaceafillDany, trataré de hacer el procedimiento yo desde aquí, ok?14:01
replaceafillDany, usando tus credenciales14:02
replaceafillDany, sólo para garantizar que tu cuenta sí funciona14:02
Danyreplaceafill, ok, gracias. es que me parece super raro ya que el thunderbird de la computadora de la oficna funciona muy bien y el que tengo en el celular tambien14:02
replaceafillDany, correcto14:03
Danyreplaceafill, :(14:05
replaceafillDany, no es tu cuenta14:05
replaceafillDany, me funcionó un envío desde aquí14:05
replaceafillDany, revisá tus enviados14:05
replaceafillDany, verás seguramente "Pruba (de Douglas)"14:06
replaceafillPrueba(14:06
replaceafillDany, es tu máquina...14:06
replaceafillDany, o tu thunderbird14:06
replaceafillDany, intentamos por 34234234 vez?14:11
replaceafillDany, cerra thunderbird, abri e intenta la ultima vez14:11
replaceafillDany, error nuevamente?14:16
replaceafillDany, ese que recien enviaste es desde thunderbird?14:18
Danyreplaceafill, perdona, estaba arreglando algo con zonny14:36
replaceafillDany, np14:37
jelknerreplaceafill, is there an easy way for me to learn how to upload nrcerna's PDF to the nea4or website and then link to it?14:42
jelknerif there are just tendenci docs i need to read, fine14:42
jelknerbut i'd be grateful if you could shorten my search by pointing me in the right direction14:43
replaceafilljelkner, hold on14:43
Danyreplaceafill, trate de volver a responder tu email, me volvio a salir error, a ti te llego algo?14:43
replaceafilljelkner, problem with Tendenci docs is that they're really outdated14:43
replaceafilljelkner, https://www.tendenci.com/help-files/how-do-i-upload-logo-file-document-or-pdf-tendenci/14:44
replaceafilljelkner, you want the "Add a File" option in the megamenu14:44
replaceafillDany, pero recien le escribiste a Pat?14:44
replaceafillDany, vi un registro de un correo tuyo que salio hace como 10 minutos?14:45
jelknerthanks, replaceafill!14:47
replaceafilljelkner, if you're editing a page you can upload the file from the TinyMCE editor too14:48
replaceafilljelkner, that's the "Embedding Files" section of that URL14:49
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nrcerna_replaceafill, New favicon: https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/nova-base-theme/blob/novawebdev_prod/media/img/novafavicon.png14:51
replaceafillnrcerna_ is that transparent?14:52
nrcerna_I made white and transparent, do you need both or just transparent? replaceafill 14:52
replaceafillnrcerna_ just transparent14:52
replaceafillnrcerna_ question14:53
nrcerna_Ok i'm goin to replace it replaceafill 14:53
replaceafillnrcerna_ how are you editing that gitlab branch?14:53
nrcerna_I dindt get it replaceafill 14:54
replaceafillnrcerna_ como subiste el archivo?14:54
nrcerna_Entré al link, le dí reemplazar, es esa la forma correcta? replaceafill 14:55
replaceafillnrcerna_ veo que el commit tiene tu usuario14:55
replaceafillnrcerna_ no!!!14:55
nrcerna_Ok, no lo sabía. replaceafill 14:55
replaceafillnrcerna_ pasale los archivo a zOnny para que el los agregue a las ramas apropiadas14:55
nrcerna_Lo siento.14:55
replaceafillnrcerna_ no te preocupes14:55
replaceafillnrcerna_ pero tenemos un flujo de ramas todo complicado14:55
replaceafillnrcerna_ que es bueno que mantengamos14:56
jelknerhello, nrcerna_ nrcerna14:56
nrcerna_Ok, se la enviaré entonces por correoa zOnny14:56
nrcerna_Hello jelkner 14:56
replaceafillnrcerna_ dios santo...14:56
replaceafillnrcerna_ issues! issues!14:56
jelkneroh, i'm sorry, are you in the middle of something?14:56
replaceafillnrcerna_ podés usar los issues!14:56
jelknerif so, ping me when you are ready for the next task14:56
nrcerna_Ok, replaceafill , me confundes, lo haré en en issue14:57
jelknersi, nrcerna_ issues! issues!14:57
replaceafillsorry for the tone :)14:58
jelknerme too ;-)14:58
nrcerna_jelkner: I just have to do that favicon issue :-)14:58
jelknerokie dokie14:58
jelknerping me when you are ready14:58
nrcerna_Ok jelkner14:58
replaceafillnrcerna_ the favicon is not urgent14:58
replaceafillnrcerna_ you can work on it later, nea4or has higher priority atm14:59
replaceafillnrcerna_ imho14:59
nrcerna_Ok, replaceafill , so Jelkner I'm available now :D 14:59
nrcerna_jelkner15:00
replaceafillzOnny, be awere of what nrcerna_ did on novawebdev_prod15:01
replaceafillaware*15:01
replaceafillzOnny, it's a commit that only has landed in _prod15:01
replaceafillzOnny, in case you get any conflicts15:02
nrcerna_PING jelkner15:02
jelknerpong nrcerna_ 15:04
nrcerna_what is the next task, jelkner? :D 15:04
jelknercan you please see if you can get either 4 or 6 of the fliers you made to fit onto an 8 1/2 by 11 sheet of paper?15:05
jelkneri need to print them on card stock, cut them up, and hand them out15:05
jelknerand not totally brake my bank doing it! ;-)15:05
jelknerso 6 on a sheet would be better if they are not too small15:05
jelknerbut 4 would be ok if that won't work15:05
jelknerdoes that make sense?15:06
jelknerreplaceafill, i know you told me this before, but how do i link to a resource that has been uploaded into the cms?15:06
nrcerna_I think it will be better  4 than 6 ,jelkner 15:06
jelknerthat's fine if you must15:07
jelknerbut it costs more15:07
jelknerso see what 6 looks like first15:07
jelknerand go with 4 if 6 can't work15:07
jelkneris that ok, nrcerna_ ?15:07
replaceafilljelkner, that's inserting a link to a file, correct?15:08
replaceafilljelkner, using the TinyMCE editor?15:08
jelkner+115:08
jelknerto download it15:08
jelknerits a pdf15:08
replaceafilljelkner, it's the same url https://www.tendenci.com/help-files/how-do-i-upload-logo-file-document-or-pdf-tendenci/15:08
replaceafilljelkner, the "Embedding Files" section15:08
nrcerna_Yes jelkner :d15:08
nrcerna_:D15:08
jelknerreplaceafill, that link doesn't help15:09
jelkneri found that dialog box15:09
jelknerthe problem is the url15:09
jelknerwhat is it?15:10
replaceafilljelkner, what url?15:10
replaceafilljelkner, do you get to the File Gallery?15:10
replaceafilljelkner, from the tinymce editor?15:10
jelknerno15:10
replaceafilljelkner, ok, let's start over, are you in a tinymce editor widget?15:10
jelknernever mind, replaceafill, let me ask zOnny 15:10
replaceafilljelkner, cool15:11
replaceafilljelkner, let me know why the doc doesn't help15:11
jelknerACTION is an idiot (but we all knew that already)15:12
zOnnyjelkner: ?15:12
jelknerhe didn't see the little folder at the end of the url input box15:13
replaceafilljelkner, ah! the search icon?15:13
jelknerwhich when you click on it, it opens the gallery15:13
jelkneryes15:13
jelknerwhen zOnny showed him that, it was easy peasy!15:13
replaceafilljelkner, then you use the Insert button15:13
replaceafilljelkner, great15:13
jelknerhttps://nea4or.us/15:13
replaceafilljelkner, nice15:14
replaceafilljelkner, nrcerna_ nitpick for future references15:15
replaceafilljelkner, nrcerna_ i always see the title of the person written like:15:15
replaceafillOrganization15:16
replaceafillPosition15:16
replaceafillor viceversa15:16
jelkneranother nitpick for future reference15:16
replaceafilljelkner, nrcerna_ that way you don't need the "of the" break15:16
jelknerwe need a designed by Natalia Cerna NOVA Web Development Member / Owner15:17
jelkneror something like that15:17
jelknerat the bottom of everything we do15:17
replaceafilljelkner, big +115:17
replaceafilljelkner, subtle but present :)15:17
jelkner+115:17
jelknerjuly is the beginning of our "coming out party"15:17
Danyreplaceafill, le escribi a pat desde mi celular15:17
replaceafillDany, ah entendido15:18
replaceafillDany, gracias15:18
nrcerna_Thanks replaceafill 15:18
replaceafillDany, ahorita estoy instalando Ubuntu 18.0415:18
nrcerna_+1 jelkner :D 15:18
replaceafillDany, para probar con tu misma version15:18
Danyreplaceafill, ok, gracias (lamento la demora xD)15:18
replaceafillDany, no te preocupes, no hay problema15:18
jelkneri plan to talk to lelkneralfaro about this first on sunday, but we need to all begin learning how to track hours and understand the basic finances or our operation15:18
replaceafillDany, we're all busy!15:18
jelknerso that we can learn to keep it going15:18
replaceafillACTION uses his emacs operating system to track logs15:19
jelknernice idea15:19
replaceafillorg mode specifically15:19
replaceafillparsing and processing is really easy15:20
replaceafillsharing is not :(15:20
Danyreplaceafill, no mucho, por?15:20
replaceafillDany, no, sólo decía que entiendo que te demores en responder15:21
jelkneractually, replaceafill, the way nrcerna_ has the flier is just like i asked her15:21
nrcerna_Yo can check the folder jelkner 15:21
nrcerna_you*15:21
replaceafilljelkner, right, i figured15:21
jelkneri don't think the word organization is needed15:21
jelknerit adds space we don't have15:21
jelknerand it is clear from what nrcerna_ did who she is15:22
replaceafilljelkner, we don't need it, but it's the same two lines15:22
jelkneronly the "designed by" should become standard practice15:22
jelkneroh, organization instead of presents?15:22
replaceafilljelkner, or maybe you're referring tos something else15:22
replaceafilljelkner, i meant:15:23
replaceafillRose Roach15:23
replaceafillExecutive Director15:23
replaceafillMinesota...15:23
replaceafilljelkner, with no "of the" break15:23
jelknerok, that makes sense15:23
nrcernaCambio eso? 15:26
Danyreplaceafill, oh, no, estaba hablando con zonny sobre el email que acabo de mandarte15:26
replaceafillDany, estoy respondiendotelo ahorita15:27
nrcernajelkner:, replaceafill  should I change that? 15:27
replaceafillDany, necesitas saber algo15:27
replaceafillnrcerna_ -1 from me15:27
Danyreplaceafill, no right now :)15:27
replaceafillDany, ok dejame terminar la respuesta :)15:28
Danyreplaceafill, ok15:29
replaceafillDany, respondido15:29
nrcernajelkner: did you check the folder? 15:29
nrcernaI just read Rands email jelkner 15:37
jelknergreat, nrcerna, i was going to ask you about that15:38
jelknerdo his suggestions seem workable?15:38
jelknerif so, please incorporate them15:39
Danyreplaceafill, gracias, ya subi ese issue y otro que tenia pendiente (que esta en relacion con el primero)15:39
replaceafillDany, ah ok15:39
replaceafillDany, si tengo tiempo de trabajar en eso hoy o durante el fin de semana lo har'e15:39
replaceafillDany, ahorita quiero ver si resuelvo lo del correo15:39
nrcernaI can try to make a sample and you can chose between that two jelkner 15:40
Danyreplaceafill, :') te lo encargo muchoooo15:45
jelknermuy bien, nrcerna, gracias!15:45
replaceafillDany, interesante historia de la encuesta15:45
replaceafillDany, me arruinaste el dia cuando pediste que queres rastrear quien la ha llenado15:46
replaceafillDany, :)15:46
nrcernaOkay, I'm going to do that now jelkner 15:46
Danyreplaceafill, a raiz de lo que paso con la primera reunion, necesito saber a que hora y que dias la mayoria de los miembros estas disponibles15:47
Danyreplaceafill, ups :P sorry (?)15:47
Danyreplaceafill, sorry but no sorry :)15:47
replaceafillDany, ah15:47
replaceafillDany, aun así pienso que lo podés resolver con formularios15:48
jelknernrcerna, the page looks great!15:48
replaceafillDany, un único formulario15:48
jelknerdon't try to change those15:48
jelkneri don't think any more will fit15:48
jelknerand i want to use the 6 sheet to save money15:48
nrcernax6 or x4? jelkner 15:48
Danyreplaceafill, se podria intentar, podria usar a jeff, heylin y zonny como conejillos de indias :)15:48
jelknerbut work on a bigger 8 1/2 by 11 with rand's suggestions15:48
replaceafillzOnny, are you busy_15:49
jelknerthat can include more information and the graphics that rand sent15:49
zOnnyHello World! 15:49
zOnnyreplaceafill: yes ?15:49
replaceafillzOnny, could you use either the novalaciro dev instance or the tendenci demo to show Dany how forms work15:50
replaceafillzOnny, i think the survey that Dany wants to create is possible with just forms15:51
zOnnyreplaceafill: correct  15:51
replaceafillzOnny, if we include fields for name and email 15:51
nrcerna_Ok you want Rand's suggestion in a letter size, rigth jelkner?15:51
replaceafillzOnny, that way Dany could just send a link to the /forms/survey-about-hours in an email to the members15:52
replaceafillDany, cuantos miembros te han llenado el formulario de google?15:52
Danyreplaceafill, solo 4 :( y no quienes son15:53
jelknernrcerna, i sent the 6 per sheet version twice by mistake15:54
jelknerbut i have a question15:54
replaceafillDany, y quisieras que funcionara desde Tendenci15:54
jelknerwill they print if the graphic runs all the way to the edge like that?15:54
replaceafillDany, es decir, les dirias a los miembros, "entren a Tendenci con su usuario y vayan a esta encuesta y llenenla?"15:55
jelkneri don't know enough printing these these things15:56
nrcerna_you need to fill all the print sheet jelkner? Is that what you mean? :O15:56
jelkner(what i need is access to a nice worker owned union print shop! ;-)15:56
replaceafillDany, viendo el formulario de google el problema de "no quienes son" es que no tiene campos para el nombre o correo15:56
nrcerna_+1 jelkner 15:56
replaceafilljelkner, :D15:56
replaceafilljelkner, one step at a time ;)15:56
replaceafilljelkner, or one flyer at a time15:56
jelknerwhat i mean is, when you print the sheet, will the ink go all the way to the edge?15:56
nrcerna_And then I would like to help you there :D jelkner 15:56
jelknerof course, nrcerna_, we are thinking of both you and Dany on that one15:57
jelknerbut back to the flier15:58
jelknermy understanding is you need to leave some kind of boarder15:58
jelkneror it won't print right15:58
jelkneri don't know how much15:58
jelknerwe want a little as possible, but not less than that15:58
nrcerna_you say something as a bleed jelkner 15:58
jelkneri don't know what words to use15:59
nrcerna_a security zone? jelkner15:59
jelknermaybe?15:59
jelknerwhat i mean is, the printer can't print all the way to the edge15:59
replaceafilljelkner, nrcerna_ printing margin?15:59
jelknerso if you don't leave a small margin15:59
jelknerthe edge of the design doesn't print15:59
nrcerna_I can fill the border , and that well be the marging border15:59
jelknerwhile you work on rand's suggestions16:00
jelkneri'll try printing what you sent me16:00
nrcerna_I mean with other color, as a grey border 16:00
Danyreplaceafill, zonny me mostro co mo hacer la encuesta (yupi) pero no la podemos poner bilingue https://novalaciro.novawebdevelopment.org/forms/encuesta/16:00
jelknerand see what happends16:00
jelknerhappens16:00
replaceafillDany, correcto, eso no lo tiene tendenci16:01
nrcerna_Ok jelkner16:01
Danyreplaceafill, pero se podria?16:01
replaceafillDany, si, es como la mayoria de contenido en NOVALACIRO16:01
replaceafillDany, Tendenci no lo hace pero nosotros le agregamos los campos traducibles16:02
replaceafillDany, los formularios no lo son aun16:02
Danyreplaceafill, te los encargo por fis16:02
replaceafillDany, seguro, pero sigue mi pregunta16:02
replaceafillDany, si me podes describir el workflow que te imaginas16:02
replaceafillDany, como contactas al usuario y haces que llene la encuesta16:03
replaceafillDany, o como la llena un "no miembro"16:03
Danyreplaceafill, ok, nosotros estamos de salida asi que dame chanse que llego a la casa y hago una imagen con lo que tengo en mente16:05
replaceafillDany, chivo, gracias16:05
replaceafillDany, usa el issue porfa16:05
replaceafillDany, para registrarlo16:06
replaceafillDany, en lugar de correo directo16:06
Danyreplaceafill, ok perfecto, yo subo la imagen alli16:06
replaceafillDany, asi zOnny lo puede leer por ejemplo16:06
replaceafillDany, gracias!16:06
Danyreplaceafill, gracias16:06
zOnnyreplaceafill: 16:07
replaceafillzOnny, 16:07
zOnnyreplaceafill: why fields for name and email ?16:08
replaceafillzOnny, to identify who filled the form16:09
zOnnyreplaceafill: I got it16:09
replaceafillzOnny, check the current google form16:09
zOnnyreplaceafill: Can I make it bilingual ? :D16:09
zOnnyreplaceafill: ladies are pushing me to logout16:10
zOnnyreplaceafill: ttyl16:10
replaceafilllater zOnny o/16:10
jelknerACTION signs off to switch computers16:24
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jelknerreplaceafill, ping16:40
replaceafilljelkner, pong16:40
jelkneri just sent an email to nrcerna 16:40
jelknercould you please check that my suggestions make sense?16:40
replaceafilljelkner, checking...16:41
replaceafilljelkner, "Reduce the size of the separator between the two rows."?16:42
replaceafilljelkner, that's the blue border you describe in point 1., right?16:43
jelknerthe bottom blue block acts as a separator16:43
jelkner+116:43
replaceafilljelkner, ok16:43
replaceafilljelkner, are you going to print this yourself?16:43
replaceafilljelkner, i mean, mass print16:44
jelknerno, i can't16:44
jelkneri need to take it somewhere16:44
jelknerdon't know where yet16:44
replaceafilljelkner, ok16:44
replaceafilljelkner, did you print the second page in a ink printer?16:44
replaceafilljelkner, or laser printer?16:44
jelknerwe need to print like a thousand16:44
jelknerdivided by 6 ;-)16:44
replaceafill:D16:44
jelknerno, an inkjet16:45
replaceafilljelkner, right16:45
jelknerbut lasers don't go all the way to the edge either16:45
replaceafilljelkner, ok, yes the suggestions make sense16:45
replaceafilljelkner, rigth16:45
replaceafilljelkner, but that's why viewers have print shrinking options16:45
replaceafilljelkner, but some margin is always good16:46
replaceafilljelkner, do you know if nrcerna nrcerna_ is away?16:46
jelkneri would think it most useful if you can just print it as is16:46
replaceafilljelkner, oh never mind16:46
replaceafilljelkner, she already replied16:46
jelkneryes, but she forgot your suggestion16:47
jelknerremoving the "of the"16:47
replaceafilljelkner, ah16:48
jelknernrcerna, are you here?16:48
replaceafillnrcerna nrcerna_ ping16:48
jelkneri'll email her back16:48
replaceafillthis is what i know about *my* printer https://hp-officejet-pro-8600.printerdoc.net/en/technical-information/printer-specifications/media-specifications/set-minimum-margins/16:50
replaceafilland i hate how the windows driver is better handling the bottom margin :(16:50
replaceafill3.3 mm vs 1.2mm16:50
replaceafillit's a lot!16:50
nrcerna_PONG replaceafill 16:51
replaceafillnrcerna_ scroll the irc log up to 2:40 pm16:52
replaceafillnrcerna_ this specifically:16:52
replaceafillyes, but she forgot your suggestion16:52
replaceafill removing the "of the"16:52
replaceafillnrcerna_ that's under Rose's name16:53
nrcerna_oK16:53
replaceafilljelkner, i love how you used pypdf to stitch the pages in the pdf :D16:54
jelknerto be honest, replaceafill, i used pdfshuffler16:55
replaceafilljelkner, ah16:55
jelknerpdfshuffler used pypdf16:55
replaceafilljelkner, rigth16:55
jelknerjust sent another email16:55
jelknerreplaceafill, could you please look at it before nrcerna_ does anything?16:56
jelkneri don't want to keep jerking her around16:56
jelknerso i want to be clear in my requests16:56
replaceafilljelkner, checking...16:56
replaceafilljelkner, this last email is about another flyer, correct?16:57
replaceafilljelkner, not Rose's?16:57
replaceafilljelkner, oh wait16:57
jelknerhold on, replaceafill 16:57
nrcerna_I'm just reading your email jelkner 16:57
jelknerhttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1JynMum-ufwCh7lqAXI_jIf9VRIE2qCxW16:58
nrcerna_I'm trying to work doing back to back with you :D , sorry for the late jelkner and replaceafill 16:58
jelkneroops, it disappeared16:58
jelknernrcerna_, replaceafill can't evaluate my suggestions if he can't see what i am referring to16:59
jelkneryou're doing great, nrcerna_ 16:59
replaceafillwe need control version for flyers :D16:59
replaceafillversion control16:59
jelkner+116:59
nrcerna_It is uploading the last version replaceafill 17:00
replaceafillnrcerna_ thanks17:00
jelkneri'm bringing a few laptops to el salvador which will be loaded with free software17:00
jelkneri plan to leave them with y'all17:00
nrcerna_Yeeeiiii! jelkner17:00
jelknerand get on my soap box (over pupusas at los planes de rendero or something ;-) about using free software17:00
replaceafillchecking latest version17:01
nrcerna_k replaceafill 17:01
jelknerok, i have a very important dinner with jon liss17:02
replaceafillso there will be two versions of the flyer?17:02
jelkneryes17:02
replaceafilljelkner, ok17:02
jelknerthe 8 1/2 by 11 and the "baby one"17:02
replaceafilljelkner, and the suggestions are for the big one?17:03
jelknerfor the little cards17:03
jelkner+117:03
jelknerthere isn't room on the baby one for more info17:03
jelknerthough nrcerna_ could remove the "of the"17:03
jelknerand fix the boarder17:03
replaceafilljelkner, +117:04
jelkneranyway, i'm going to show jon our new website17:04
replaceafilljelkner, nrcerna_ i like the triagles background pattern in baby17:04
jelknerand pitch to him that twu and nvm should start doing some business with us17:04
replaceafilljelkner, nrcerna_ but not in big one17:04
nrcerna_OMG replaceafill, thats not the last version17:04
replaceafilltypical designers...17:04
jelknerso, nrcerna_ will you be around sunday?17:04
replaceafillflyer_v3_final_no_really_this_time_is_final.pdf17:05
nrcerna_Dont be grumpy uncle replaceafill 17:05
jelknertypical grumpy uncle ;-)17:05
nrcerna_Actually youre right, replaceafill That's typical17:06
nrcerna_+1 jelkner17:06
jelknernrcerna_, the folder won't load for me now17:06
replaceafillit loads for me17:07
jelknerwhat did you name it?17:07
jelknerperhaps i'm clicking on the wrong email link17:07
nrcerna_at the same as the last version jelkner 17:07
jelknernever mind17:07
jelknerACTION really is an idiot17:08
jelknernrcerna_, about sunday?17:08
jelknercan we continue working then?17:08
replaceafilljelkner, oh this doens't need to hit the printer until next week?17:09
nrcerna_Yes, jelkner 17:09
jelkneri'll be visiting my grandmother (and brother from puerto rico) tomorrow17:09
jelknerbut i'll be here sunday17:09
jelknercorrect, replaceafill 17:09
jelknerwe have next week17:09
jelkneri'll have a car17:09
replaceafilljelkner, we're testing the membership form on sunday, right?17:09
jelknerand i'm sure i can find a printer in louisville, ky17:09
jelkner+117:09
replaceafillnrcerna_  i'm meeting with jelkner around 8:30 am our time on sunday17:10
nrcerna_I guess It works for me if you can email me all that you want to change, I think here I'm a little bit lost jelkner 17:10
jelknersunday for me is all about nea convention prep17:10
jelknerlike today was17:10
replaceafillnrcerna_ i can call you17:10
replaceafillnrcerna_ if you have questions17:10
replaceafillnrcerna_ i *think* i get jelkner's requests17:10
jelknernp, nrcerna_, is just means you have to work with uncle grumpy17:10
nrcerna_Ok17:10
nrcerna_jajajaja Grumpy Uncle 17:11
jelknerok, my dear friends17:11
replaceafill¬¬17:11
jelknerhasta domingo17:11
replaceafillthanks jelkner17:11
replaceafilljelkner, see you sunday17:11
nrcerna_Nos vemos el Donmingo jelkner 17:11
replaceafillnrcerna_ ill give you a call now, ok?17:11
nrcerna_Yes, please17:11
jelknerACTION signs off hasta el Domingo17:11
nrcerna_replaceafill17:11
replaceafillcalling17:12
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