IRC log of #novawebdev for Sunday, 2018-06-24

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jelknergood morning replaceafill and nrcerna!10:24
replaceafillgood morning jelkner10:24
nrcernaGood morning jelkner :) 10:25
jelknerso, i'm settling in10:25
jelkneri need to meet with lelkneralfaro10:25
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jelknerand work with replaceafill on nea4or10:26
jelknerand with Dany on what she will do while i'm away10:26
jelknerso, a busy day10:26
jelknerwe are here until 2 pm10:26
jelknerthen zOnny and i need to pack for louisville10:27
jelknerso, replaceafill, shall we start?10:27
replaceafilljelkner, sure10:27
replaceafilljelkner, are you checking the membership form?10:31
jelknerlooking now10:32
replaceafilljelkner, cool10:32
jelknerthere are folks here who keep interrupting me :-(10:32
jelkneri *love* it10:32
jelkneryou've got the state drop down10:32
jelknerand you have only the fields we need10:33
jelknercan i ask for one more checkbox?10:33
replaceafilljelkner, yeah i remember we changed a few thing while you were on the last convention10:33
replaceafilljelkner, yes?10:33
jelkneroh, "Subscribed to the mailing list" should read "Subscibe to the mailing list"10:34
jelknernext to that "Call me to talk about getting more involved"10:34
jelkneror better "Call me about getting involved"10:34
replaceafilljelkner, ah ok10:34
jelknerI assume it is well tested.10:35
jelknerSo it will work in minneapolis ;-)10:35
nrcernajelkner: maybe later you talk with Louie about Nic and the packing project, I was talking with Louie yesterday and it seems like we need to make a proposal /estimate for Nic, 10:35
replaceafilljelkner, anything else?10:35
nrcernaCan you*10:36
jelknerNic?10:36
jelknerpacking project?10:36
jelkneri'm not in loop on this10:36
nrcernaNic, the guy who Kevin bring us jelkner 10:36
replaceafilljelkner, i'm going to make these two changes10:37
jelkneroh, Chip?10:37
jelkneri'm confused, nrcerna 10:37
jelkneri don't know about nic10:37
nrcernaWait, I'm going to send you the emails 10:38
jelknerremember, i'm an old man, and my mind is going :-(10:38
nrcernaWait a sec10:38
replaceafillnrcerna, is there anything specific you need jelkner to do?10:38
replaceafillnrcerna, about that project?10:38
nrcernaYou're not that old jelkner 10:38
replaceafillnrcerna, why can't you and Louie figure it out?10:38
jelknermaybe, but my mind is still going10:38
jelkner+110:38
jelknerin fact, this month is crucial for louie10:39
jelknersince he needs to figure out how to earn his keep10:39
jelknerso i want him doing these things10:40
jelknerand billing for them10:40
nrcernareplaceafill:  Solamente, Louie me dijo que trabajaríamos en una propuesta/ estimado para Nic, que tenemos que entregar ahora :) 10:40
jelkneri'm going to talk with lelkneralfaro about that today10:40
replaceafillnrcerna, aja, pero que necesitas de jelkner para eso?10:40
nrcernareplaceafill: pero tienes razón mejor lo discutiré con Louie 10:40
jelkner+110:41
replaceafillnrcerna, +110:41
nrcerna:) 10:41
jelknerreplaceafill, how long to add the other checkbox?10:43
replaceafilljelkner, i'm on it10:43
replaceafilljelkner, you need to edit the membership application10:43
jelkneroh, i can add fields to the database like that?10:44
replaceafilljelkner, yes10:44
jelknerACTION goes to edit10:44
replaceafilljelkner, it may be quicker if i do it10:45
jelknerno10:45
jelknerlet me10:45
replaceafilljelkner, we have no docs for that10:45
jelknerquicker yes10:45
jelknerbut we need to get me doing more and more10:45
jelkneri'll whine in a few minutes once i'm lost ;-)10:45
replaceafilljelkner, ok10:46
jelknerok, there is no "edit" button on the form10:47
jelknerso i went poking around in the tendenci main menu10:47
jelknerthe megamenu, yes?10:47
jelkneri found forms10:47
replaceafilljelkner, nope10:47
replaceafilljelkner, https://www.tendenci.com/help-files/create-and-customize-membership-applications/10:47
jelknerbut there are only two listed10:47
replaceafilljelkner, you need to do it through the django admin10:48
jelknerwow10:48
jelknerso that is probably something customers are going to have to hire us to do10:48
jelkneri can see training hrodriguez to do all this as her first way to do billable work with us10:49
replaceafilljelkner, yes10:49
jelknerthat's what i've been telling her10:49
replaceafilljelkner, we need docs clients can use10:49
jelknerfirst she earns her CIW Advanced HTML5 and CSS3 Specialist cert10:49
replaceafilljelkner, again, the official docs are way too out of date10:49
jelknerthen she starts learning our system10:49
jelknerso writing docs is a big expense10:50
jelknerlots of time10:50
replaceafilljelkner, and in order to learn things, you need to be watching youtube videos to understand10:50
jelknerwhat we need now is to focus on the business generation10:50
jelkneri think the most efficient way to develop the docs will be to use an agile approach10:50
jelkneronce we have several real customers with real needs10:51
jelknerwe start writing up the most common and important ones first10:51
replaceafilljelkner, so far we've been assuming that setting this form up will be part of our initial fee10:51
replaceafilljelkner, the set up fee i mean10:52
replaceafilljelkner, that's what tendenci.com does10:52
jelknerhold on10:52
jelknerlelkneralfaro wants to meet with me10:53
jelkner+110:53
replaceafilljelkner, ok10:53
replaceafilljelkner, let me know if you need something fro mme10:53
jelkneryou're going to update the form, yes?10:54
jelknersince once i heard django admin10:54
jelkneri'm thinking better you do it10:54
replaceafilljelkner, :D10:54
replaceafilljelkner, sure10:54
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zOnnyHello World!10:59
zOnnyhey replaceafill THANKS a lot10:59
replaceafillhey zOnny10:59
replaceafillzOnny, sure, sorry for the delay, i decided to clean some of the ansible roles while doing it10:59
zOnnyreplaceafill: where is the link?11:01
replaceafillzOnny, the google doc?11:01
zOnnyreplaceafill: Oops11:01
zOnnyreplaceafill: I got it :D11:02
zOnnyreplaceafill: did you make the merge request already ?11:03
replaceafillzOnny, merge request?11:03
replaceafillzOnny, do you mean if i merged _dev to _prod?11:03
zOnnyFlint's _dev to _prod11:04
replaceafillzOnny, yes11:04
zOnnyreplaceafill: cool11:04
replaceafilljelkner, i added the call checkbox11:06
replaceafilljelkner, let me know if you want to reorganize the fields11:07
replaceafillzOnny, so the plan is, once you've updated the content11:09
replaceafillzOnny, contact Paul11:09
replaceafillzOnny, and ask him to change his dns to point to:11:09
replaceafillzOnny, 45.79.172.2111:10
replaceafillzOnny, once you confirm the dns has been updated let me know11:11
replaceafillzOnny, so i can update the ssl cert in his instance11:11
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zOnnyreplaceafill: ok12:58
zOnnyI will12:58
jelknerreplaceafill, ping13:21
replaceafilljelkner, pong13:21
jelknerwill you be around a bit later today13:22
jelknerwe are leaving here at 2 pm13:22
jelkneri'll be home before 3 pm13:22
replaceafilljelkner, i don't think so13:22
jelkneri would very much like to jisti13:22
replaceafilljelkner, hold on13:23
jelkneri don't want to take up all your sunday13:24
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jelknerbut we just spent 2 1/2 hours discussing our plan for july and beyond13:25
jelknerlelkneralfaro, and zOnny are under financial stress13:26
jelknerwe discussed keeping them employed during july13:26
replaceafilljelkner, ah ok13:27
replaceafilljelkner, why don't we jitsi now?13:27
jelknerbut we wanted clear plans13:27
jelknerlet's try13:27
replaceafilljelkner, ok13:27
jelkneri'm asking lelkneralfaro if he has jitsi13:28
jelknermjsir911 is saying you dont' need to install it13:28
jelknerjust a browser13:28
jelkneri didn't know that13:28
replaceafilljelkner, yep13:28
replaceafilljelkner, https://meet.jit.si/NoIdeaWhatImDoing13:29
lelkneralfarohey replaceafill, what is your jitsi channel?13:30
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, https://meet.jit.si/NoIdeaWhatImDoing13:30
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jelknerreplaceafill, ping14:21
replaceafilljelkner, pong14:21
jelknerthere is one important question14:21
jelknerlelkneralfaro, and i were following up14:21
jelknerhe will talk more with you tomorrow14:21
jelknerbut14:22
jelknerwe think that unions are our main target audience14:22
replaceafilljelkner, +114:22
jelknerthey are the only organized group of working people with the size and resources to be able to support what we are doing14:22
Danygood afternoon everyone14:22
replaceafilljelkner, we've been discussing that for several months with lelkneralfaro14:23
jelknerDany, can i call you at 3:30 pm14:23
jelknerwhen i get home14:23
Danyjelkner, +114:23
jelknerso, voting is crucial14:23
jelknerand we need to make the workflow for users compelling14:23
replaceafilljelkner, i'm "confortable" offering voting to unions14:23
jelknerhere is my question:14:24
replaceafilljelkner, they're not like ORA14:24
replaceafilljelkner, they're like AEA14:24
jelknerwhat do you think about having nathan work on a web app for aea?14:24
replaceafilljelkner, i mean, their workflow is14:24
jelkneryes, i get that14:24
replaceafilljelkner, a web app?14:24
jelknerlet me explain14:24
jelknerwe can't get people in aea to vote14:24
jelknernext year we want lots more people to use our tool14:25
jelknerthey need to do it through there phone14:25
jelknerthey need a little web app that shows up on their phone14:25
jelknerit notifies them they have vote14:25
jelkneror such14:25
jelknerlet's them click a few buttons to vote14:26
jelknerall from there phone14:26
replaceafilljelkner, -0.514:26
replaceafilljelkner, we'd need to extend helios/tendenci to allow the app to connect14:26
jelknermjsir911 thought this was quite doable14:26
replaceafilljelkner, it's all software :)14:27
jelknerreally?14:27
replaceafilljelkner, of course it's doable14:27
jelknera web app is just a modified browser14:27
jelknerhe thought it would be fairly easy14:27
replaceafilljelkner, maybe i'm thinking of something elese14:27
replaceafilljelkner, it'd be nice if mjsir911 would explain his idea14:27
jelknerweb apps are web pages14:27
replaceafilljelkner, is whatsapp a web app in those terms?14:28
replaceafilljelkner, i'm not sure what web app is what i'm thinking14:28
jelknerthey run in browsers with sidebars and navigation bars removed14:28
jelknerand using current html5 apis14:28
jelknerthey can do special things on phones14:28
jelknerlike interact with the notification system14:29
jelknerin any event14:29
jelknerhere is what i'm asking you14:29
jelknerare you ok with our intern exploring this?14:29
jelknerit won't require your time14:29
replaceafilljelkner, what would you need from me?14:29
replaceafilljelkner, why are we having this conversation then :D!!!14:29
replaceafilljelkner, kidding14:30
replaceafilljelkner, sure14:30
jelknercool14:30
replaceafilljelkner, i still don't get the "web app" term to be honest14:30
jelknerwe are a coop, dude!14:30
jelknerwe make decisions together14:30
jelknerour intern is a free resource14:30
jelknerwe want to use him wisely14:30
jelkneri'm looking for a win-win14:30
replaceafilljelkner, so mjsir911 will guide the intern?14:30
jelknersomething cool he learns that makes him glad he did the internship14:30
jelknerand something he leaves us with that we are happy we had him14:31
jelkner+114:31
replaceafilljelkner, cool14:31
replaceafilljelkner, just for the record14:31
jelknermjsir911 said he will guide thim14:31
jelknerhim14:31
replaceafilljelkner, a web app is something you create for android or ios14:31
jelknerbut i'm sure tendenci questions will end up coming back to you14:31
jelknerno14:31
replaceafilljelkner, that needs plug points (API) to your system14:31
replaceafilljelkner, this last part is what we don't have14:31
jelknerwebapps are completely cross platform14:31
jelknerACTION wants it to run on his ubuntu phone!14:32
replaceafilljelkner, i know14:32
jelkneryou write with html5 apis14:32
jelknerand it runs on any mobile device platform that supports the standards14:32
jelknerlet's explore14:32
replaceafilljelkner, ok14:32
jelknerok, i gotta run14:32
replaceafilljelkner, ok14:32
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro i've started this: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vhgM3kujoKbk7TkW8uv4-PZzZjEVJmep00O75S2nCs0/edit#14:33
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro we can talk about it later14:33
jelkneri need to call Dany at 3:30 pm and pack for louisville14:33
jelknerlater gater14:33
jelkneri'll see if i can get online tuesday14:33
replaceafilljelkner, have a good trip14:33
lelkneralfarowonderful I'll take a look. Thanks replaceafill!14:33
jelknerthanks14:33
lelkneralfaroI'm signing off too14:33
replaceafilllater guys14:33
jelknerwish zOnny the best on his competition!14:34
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replaceafillgood luck zOnny!14:34
replaceafillzOnny, don't use php!14:34
replaceafill:D14:34
jelknerbreak a leg in ky zOnny!14:34
zOnnyreplaceafill: uhmmmm I will14:34
replaceafillzOnny, :)14:34
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Danyreplaceafill, hola14:36
replaceafillhola Dany14:36
replaceafillDany, no te miento, he probado 3 formas diferentes de conectarme al correo de novalaciro14:37
replaceafillDany, y todas han funcionado!!!14:37
Danyreplaceafill, acabaste de recibir un correo mio?14:37
replaceafillDany, dejame revisar14:37
replaceafillDany, no, no tengo nada14:38
replaceafillDany, lo enviaste desde tu cuenta de novalaciro?14:38
Danyreplaceafill, tenemos un grave problema14:38
Danyreplaceafill, si, lo acabe de enviar desde el telefono que era donde se supone que funcionaba sin problema14:38
replaceafillDany, a mi correo de novawebdevelopment.org?14:39
replaceafillDany, dejame revisar el servidor14:39
replaceafillDany, en el servidor no hay ni siquiera intento desde tus conexiones14:40
replaceafillDany, que raro, acabo de mandar uno y me funcionó14:41
replaceafillDany, te acabo de mandar uno a tu gmail e igual, salió14:42
Danyreplaceafill, si14:43
Danyreplaceafill, te mande un pantallazo14:44
replaceafillDany, ay no!14:45
replaceafillDany, tambien el K-9 te está dando problemas14:45
Danyreplaceafill, desde alli es que lo estoy tratando de enviar :'( ya que en la computadora no funciono14:46
replaceafillDany, la computadora que te funcionaba antes?!?!?14:46
Danyreplaceafill, y el novalaciro de gmail tampoco funciona14:46
Danyreplaceafill, no, en esa no he tratado :( esa esta en la escuela y la escuela esta cerrada 14:47
replaceafillDany, ah ok14:47
replaceafillDany, creo que tenemos que hacer hangout con audio en donde podamos compartir la pantalla14:47
replaceafillDany, no soy muy optimista14:47
replaceafillDany, pero quiero ver que dice la terminal de tu thunderbird14:48
replaceafillDany, talvez nos de una pista porque no se puede conectar al servidor14:48
Danyok14:48
replaceafillDany, ver la versión que tenés, porque como te digo, yo instalé 18.04 con thunderbird14:48
replaceafillDany, y todo funcionó14:48
Danyreplaceafill, ya me concto14:48
replaceafillDany, tenés tiempo ahorita?14:50
Danyreplaceafill, si, jeff no llamara ahsta las 3:30 y aqui estan viendo futball asi que hay tiempo :)14:51
replaceafillDany, :D14:51
replaceafillDany, ok14:51
replaceafillDany, proba este https://meet.jit.si/NoIdeaWhatImDoing14:57
Danyreplaceafill, ok estoy cargando la pagina porque solo me salio una pantalla gris que decia "para usar esta pagina debes pemitir el uso del micro y la camara"14:59
replaceafillDany, ah si14:59
Danyreplaceafill, y se congelo mozilla14:59
replaceafillDany, ay no!14:59
replaceafillDany, tecnologia...14:59
Danyreplaceafill, por eso me gusta usar mas opera pero no he dado con el chiste de instalarlo en ubunto14:59
replaceafillDany, tengo años de no ver opera :D15:00
replaceafillDany, me escuchás?15:04
Danyreplaceafill, y jitsi se rompio :|15:09
replaceafillDany, gggrrr!!!15:10
replaceafillDany, como rayos podemos resolver esto...?15:10
replaceafillDany, dejame pensar15:10
replaceafillDany, tenés windows verdad?15:10
Danyreplaceafill, si15:11
replaceafillDany, en la misma laptop o en otra computadora?15:11
Danyreplaceafill, en la misma15:11
replaceafillDany, será la maquina?15:12
replaceafillDany, aunque no tiene mucho sentido...15:12
replaceafillDany, otra alternativa es probar otra aplicación para tu celular :(15:12
Danyreplaceafill, es que no veo razon de que sea la maquina ya que windows funciona de maravilla 15:14
replaceafillDany, no, me refiero a la conexion desde thunderbird15:15
replaceafillDany, la conexion desde tu maquina15:15
replaceafillDany, probamos outlook para el telefono?15:19
replaceafillDany, dejame instalarlo en el mio15:19
Danyreplaceafill, outlook no es como hotmail?15:19
replaceafillDany, es como k9-mail15:19
Danyreplaceafill,  oh ok15:19
replaceafillDany, dame unos minutos para probarlo15:20
replaceafillDany, y te digo si se puede conectar, ok?15:20
Danyreplaceafill, ok doki15:20
replaceafillDany, decidi usar k-9 mail primero porque es software libre :(15:20
replaceafillDany, pero viendo el resultado...15:21
Danyreplaceafill, y estaba funcionando muy bien :( al comienzo no se que paso15:21
replaceafillDany, recurramos al imperio15:21
replaceafillDany, ah! mi k9-mail15:21
replaceafillDany, yo lo tengo puesto15:21
replaceafillDany, lo probare15:21
Danyreplaceafill, ire a comer algo, al rato vuelvo15:24
replaceafillDany, ok15:25
replaceafillDany, mi k9 parece funcionar....15:26
replaceafillDany, outlook funciona bien tambien15:52
replaceafillDany, hice un cambio en el servidor, cuando podas proba thunderbird nuevamente15:53
replaceafillACTION goes to get lunch, bb in ~4015:53
Danyreplaceafill, hola16:46
replaceafillhola Dany16:46
Danyreplaceafill, perdona la demora, me entretuve viendo el partido y hasta ahora acabe de comer lol16:46
replaceafillDany, :D16:47
replaceafillDany, np16:47
Danyreplaceafill, estuve hablando con Jeff y el me dio una idea16:47
replaceafillDany, aja?16:47
Danyreplaceafill, dijo que por ahora dejaramos de lado a thunderbird y que mejor yo creara una cuenta de gmail para vincularla a la cuenta que ya tengo de daniela@novalaciro, de esa forma los emals me seguirian llegando por separado y usaria gmail por ahora, aunque creo que outlook funciono para ti16:49
replaceafillDany, si fijate, es que el servidor funciona16:49
replaceafillDany, es tu acceso desde tus dispositivos16:50
replaceafillDany, podes probar thunderbird por 234234 vez16:50
replaceafill?16:50
replaceafillDany, cuando estuve probando outlook, me dio un error16:50
replaceafillDany, que se parecia al tuyo16:50
replaceafillDany, cambié algo en el servidor y outlook funcionó16:50
Danyreplaceafill, veamos a ver17:02
replaceafillDany, probaste?17:12
replaceafillDany, mismo error?17:13
Danyreplaceafill, mi telefono es lentito, aun lo esta bajando17:17
Danyreplaceafill, ourlook si tiene app para apple, no?17:17
Danyreplaceafill, como deberia entrar a outlook?17:21
Danyreplaceafill, oh olvide decirte, si me dio el mismo error cuando trate de probar thunderbird de nuevo17:21
replaceafillDany, ah ok17:26
replaceafillDany, para entrar a outlook pone tu direccion organizer@novalaciro.org17:26
replaceafillDany, y luego le das opciones avanzadas17:27
replaceafillDany, te va a pedir un nombre de usuario y contraseña IMAP17:27
replaceafillDany, y un nombre y contraseña SMTP17:27
replaceafillDany, es igual como está en el documento de Thunderbird17:27
replaceafillDany, a mi me detectó los dos servidores mail.novalaciro.org:993 para IMAP17:28
replaceafillDany, y mail.novalaciro.org:25 para SMTP17:28
Danyreplaceafill, que pongo de contrasena?17:29
replaceafillDany, la que está en el documento de Thunderbird17:29
replaceafillDany, no la recuerdo :)17:29
Danyok ok17:32
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