IRC log of #novawebdev for Monday, 2018-07-02

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Danybuenos dis11:11
Danydias**11:11
Danyreplaceafill, hola11:48
replaceafillhola Dany11:48
replaceafillDany, como te ha ido con el correo?11:49
replaceafillDany, algun problema que hayas notado?11:49
Danyreplaceafill, fuenciona de maravilla en la tableta...pero no he dado con el chiste de comoabrirlo en el cel o la compu :P11:49
replaceafillDany, :(11:49
Danyreplaceafill, lo estoy haciendo mal, aunque tengia una duda, no es posible vincular la cuenta con un correo de gmail?11:52
replaceafillDany, vincular?11:53
Danyreplaceafill, si, que lleguen los correos a gmail, como lo tenia al comienzo con el normal, solo lo estaba pensando como un plan B11:54
replaceafillDany, nuestro problema es que tendenci necesita poder enviar correos11:54
replaceafillDany, en el pasado cuando lo tenias "vinculado" con tu gmail11:55
replaceafillDany, tendenci aun no tenia esa funcionalidad11:55
Danyreplaceafill, ya veo11:55
replaceafillDany, Jeff pidió algo similar hace poco para nea4or.us11:55
replaceafillDany, y es el mismo problema11:55
replaceafillDany, a menos que tendenci use un subdominio11:56
replaceafillDany, para enviar sus correos11:56
Danyreplaceafill, y con outlook no tendremos ese problema?11:56
replaceafillDany, como creo que ya viste, el problema de tu acceso son ciertos dispositivos11:57
replaceafillDany, pero estar depurando/averiguando cual es el problema en sí es lo complicado11:57
Danyreplaceafill, bueno gran parte es porque no supe como configurarlo11:57
replaceafillDany, talvez outlook funcione en tu celular y no en tu laptop11:58
replaceafillDany, o viceversa11:58
Danyreplaceafill, si funciona en mi cel es mas que suficiente11:58
replaceafillDany, que programa usas en la tablet_11:59
replaceafillDany, que decis que sí te funciona11:59
Danyreplaceafill, es una apple11:59
replaceafillDany, ah12:00
Danyreplaceafill, ?12:01
replaceafillDany, o sea en la tablet apple sí podés acceder a tu correo de novalaciro?12:02
Danyreplaceafill, si, funciona perfectamente12:05
replaceafillDany, este es uno de los casos mas confusos de configuracion de software que he visto :S12:06
Danyreplaceafill, tan raro es que funcione en apple?12:06
replaceafillDany, no, tan raro es que no te funcione en los demas dispositivos12:07
replaceafillDany, tenes tiempo mañana a las 11 am para hablar sobre los issues de novalaciro?12:08
replaceafillDany, ya traduje los formularios12:09
replaceafillDany, no te digo que los revisemos ahorita porque tendré una reunión12:09
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Danyreplaceafill, hmm no creo, tal vez mas tarde si te parece bien, tengo una reunion en la manana y no se cuanto tarde12:13
Danyreplaceafill, https://imgur.com/a/BFlYCRA te dejo la imagen de lo que me dice cuando trato de ponerlo en el cel12:14
replaceafillDany, cambia smtp.novalaciro.org:25 por mail.novalaciro.org:2512:15
replaceafillDany, el nombre de usuario y la contraseña son las mismas del documento de google12:15
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Danyreplaceafill, ok voy a tratar12:25
replaceafillDany, entendido12:26
replaceafillDany, entonces mañana por la tarde revisamos los issues, correcto?12:26
Danyreplaceafill, perfecto12:29
Danyreplaceafill, si, en la tarde me parece bien12:29
replaceafillDany, entendido, gracias12:29
Danyreplaceafill, np 12:29
mr_germanreplaceafill, could we meet at 2pm? I need to show my progress12:55
replaceafillmr_german, i can't today at 2pm12:56
replaceafillmr_german, tomorrow at 10 am?12:56
mr_germansure, I have your idea almost complete12:58
mr_germanreplaceafill, i hope it works x)12:58
replaceafillmr_german, cool12:58
replaceafillmr_german, make sure the layout works on mobile12:59
mr_germanreplaceafill, even in the test site?13:02
replaceafillmr_german, in a meeting13:02
replaceafillmr_german, can't talk 13:02
replaceafillmr_german, i'm back13:12
replaceafillmr_german, i mean13:12
replaceafillmr_german, you're designing, right?13:12
mr_germanno yet13:13
replaceafillmr_german, you're not coding much (hopefully)13:13
replaceafillmr_german, designing is not coding...13:13
mr_germanIm coding13:13
mr_germanmy testing13:13
mr_germanpage13:13
replaceafillmr_german, yes, that's designing13:13
mr_germanwell, yes.13:14
replaceafillmr_german, you don't care yet how we're going to integrate your work into helios13:14
replaceafillmr_german, anyway13:14
mr_germanwell13:14
mr_germanits BS13:14
replaceafillmr_german, for all the elements you're considering using13:14
replaceafillmr_german, consider how they should look in both desktop and mobile layouts13:15
replaceafillmr_german, the typical "on desktop this will show here, but on mobile we'll move it here" scenario13:15
replaceafillmr_german, we want to make the mobile workflow very fast13:15
replaceafillmr_german, i sent you an email about your hours for June13:16
replaceafillmr_german, please reply to that asap so we can pay you and nrcerna13:16
replaceafillACTION goes downstairs for a while13:21
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mjsir911hey replaceafill, did daniela's email setup change? I'm finding its not how I left it and she is having some email troubles14:49
replaceafillmjsir911, yes, we're now hosting it14:49
mjsir911ok, does she know her email password? She isn't able to send email and I can't help because I'm not sure how it's setup14:50
mjsir911and is there any reason for this? there seem to be more problems because of this14:50
replaceafillmjsir911, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VINqQ3YDYSxgy1Ulb-bBJSTPYlofWvYDM7JURM-mlAE/edit?usp=drive_web&ouid=11194919348948941267314:51
replaceafillmjsir911, it seems to be some sort of connection issue on her end14:51
replaceafillmjsir911, *some* of her devices work14:51
mjsir911she's tested her phone and from gmail and both don't work14:52
replaceafillmjsir911, gmail won't work14:52
replaceafillmjsir911, we don't have forward enabled14:52
mjsir911it's a bit of an issue that none of the emails that she's been sending for a while are going out14:52
replaceafillmjsir911, afaik that happened last week14:53
replaceafillmjsir911, she then tried outlook which seemed to work14:53
mjsir911why did we switch from webfaction?14:54
replaceafillmjsir911, yes14:54
replaceafillmjsir911, we need mailman14:54
replaceafillmjsir911, you can't do mailman with the webfaction setup14:54
mjsir911I want to make clear that we need to be able to have reliable email setups for the simple stuff *like sending email* that would preferabbly work from anywhere14:55
mjsir911I'm not sure about a fix because I haven't looked into it quickly, but daniella has had a broken email setup for a week and she hasn't known14:56
replaceafillmjsir911, she knows14:56
replaceafillmjsir911, we've been discussing this for almost a week now14:56
replaceafillmjsir911, and i've been trying all sorts of things in order to reproduce the issues she reports14:57
replaceafillmjsir911, and it *always* work for me14:57
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Danyreplaceafill, hello14:57
replaceafillhello Dany14:57
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mjsir911does the novalaciro serer have pop?15:03
mjsir911replaceafill: 15:03
replaceafillmjsir911, no,15:04
replaceafillmjsir911, just imap15:04
replaceafillmjsir911, why? do you think that'd help debugging this better?15:04
mjsir911no I'm trying to set it up from scratch on a machine with just the information provided in the google doc15:05
replaceafillmjsir911, ok15:05
replaceafillmjsir911, "host eforward1.registrar-servers.com[162.255.118.61] said: 451-45.79.155.104 is not yet authorized to deliver mail from 451 <organizer@novalaciro.org> to <marco@sirabella.org>. Please try later"15:07
mjsir911that was from gmail I think15:07
mjsir911I'll try from my MUA now15:07
replaceafillmjsir911, do you want me to create a novalaciro email account for you?15:08
replaceafillmjsir911, thanks for helping with this btw15:08
mjsir911yea15:08
mjsir911I can just use hers for now15:08
replaceafillmjsir911, cool15:08
mjsir911replaceafill: I think I know what the problem is15:11
mjsir911residential areas ban outbound port 2515:11
replaceafillmjsir911, ah15:11
replaceafillmjsir911, that would explain why she can connect from work but not from home15:12
mjsir911so depending on where daniela is (such as it works on jeff's network at the school) it will sometime work15:12
mjsir911yea exactly15:12
mjsir911although that doesn't explain gmail15:12
replaceafillmjsir911, what do you mean?15:12
mjsir911using smtp on gmail the message is going thru to the mail server, i'm not sure what the 'is not yet authorized' means, but is not that important right now15:13
mjsir911could you set up postfix/dovecot to work on a different port?15:13
replaceafillmjsir911, using the same set up?15:14
mjsir911port 587?15:14
mjsir911I believe so... 587 is for smtp over TLS15:14
replaceafillmjsir911, https://www.faqforge.com/linux/how-to-enable-port-587-submission-in-postfix/15:16
replaceafillmjsir911, i'll try that ^15:16
mjsir911Yea I think thats right15:16
Danyreplaceafill, so I'm confusing right now, if someone send a email to daniela@novalaciro.org, am I going to get it in the organizer@novalaciro.org?15:16
replaceafillDany, yes15:17
replaceafillDany, daniela@ is an alias for organizer@ at this point15:17
replaceafillmjsir911, Dany ok, give me a minute to try this port change15:18
mjsir911replaceafill: 587 should work but just to clarify: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/15796530/what-is-the-difference-between-ports-465-and-58715:18
mjsir911on my personal web server I only have 465 open15:18
mjsir911s/web/mail15:18
replaceafillmjsir911, and you're using postfix?15:19
mjsir911correct15:20
mjsir911she's getting an error 535 connecting on port 58715:20
Danyreplaceafill, can you send me a email to daniela@ to see if I get it at my phone please?15:21
mjsir911confirmed: she is recieving email successfuly15:23
mjsir911at daniela@ at least15:23
mjsir911(I suspect organizer@ works as well)15:23
mjsir911OK so it does work from her phone replaceafill 15:25
replaceafillmjsir911, :/15:25
mjsir911probably port 25 is unblocked15:25
mjsir911my bad I thought she sent something earlier that didn't work15:25
replaceafillmjsir911, for the record we are using both smtp and submission15:26
Danyreplaceafill, ok it's working at my phone and that is enough for me15:26
mjsir911that is correct15:26
mjsir911on my personal machine program named `master` is running on both ports 25 & 46515:27
replaceafillmjsir911, i can add your key to the novalaciro server if you want to take a look15:27
replaceafillmjsir911, i'd appreciate if you have the time15:27
mjsir911yea that would be good15:27
mjsir911you have my key?15:27
replaceafillmjsir911, getting it from gitlab?15:28
mjsir911um let me give you my novawebdeve key15:28
replaceafillmjsir911, ok15:28
mjsir911ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAADAQABAAABAQCzBf74PnLgAyeL7vVb3vZlXjcKgfONhKthQTAgecg2eUMJTO37zQ2amfmX7ohOBanPio+GLT8yWIsac3blPAjXEpyQ90xgb56I7hsNdfooeWmO8rsMkDagGKHWFPkptuYOI9a6vHU0wp+U7ylLONbFGUbHNMLELfC0DYX7xIuk/C8YyA6v7oIejAmZXrZGkQZvl/kUdcS1oBtYwSaw4/UiYocCfe4aSJ2cocu9NqM/WDKXrcxelE7Q8pWRMXm+RQgKdzlIDqG2nZlPJ3DCtJnuamEELUzRoysWWBie+FWNV8aRI+9jWarMe9aFrkziaWgeSJXBosrlKaK+xG8mmi7t15:28
replaceafillmjsir911, key added for user 'ams'15:29
replaceafillmjsir911, let me know if you can get it15:30
replaceafills/it/in :)15:30
mjsir911yea works15:31
replaceafillmjsir911, cool15:31
replaceafillmjsir911, verbose debugging is enabled15:31
replaceafillmjsir911, so you'll see a lot of output in mail.log15:31
mjsir911thanks15:32
replaceafillmjsir911, if we disable port 25 we'll need to adjust tendenci and mailman15:32
replaceafillmjsir911, django is using port 25 atm15:33
mjsir911ok so I just enabled port 465 and gmail authenticated, she's trying to send email now15:33
mjsir911I think its fine to keep two ports open?15:33
replaceafillmjsir911, i don't have a problem with that15:33
mjsir911and she can send email from gmail now15:33
mjsir911port 465 was what worked, I'm not sure what you changed with submission but can you undo that?15:34
replaceafillmjsir911, so smtps is better than submission?15:36
mjsir911smtps *works*, I'm sure if I tinkered with submission I could get it working, but smtps works out of the box15:37
mjsir911I think it's using SSL as opposed to TLS though15:37
replaceafillmjsir911, any change we decide should be permanent, should land here: https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/ansible-roles/tree/master/roles/postfix15:38
mjsir911right, I'll add that15:39
replaceafillmjsir911, so we have 25, 465 and 587 open at the moment?15:39
mjsir911correct, and I think 587 is unneccesary15:40
replaceafillmjsir911, but i doesn't hurt to leave open, right?15:41
mjsir911I don't think it hurts anything but I still think it would be best to not have it until we need it15:41
replaceafillmjsir911, well other than the "residential issue" it's been working fine15:42
replaceafillmjsir911, can you explain the gmail issue?15:42
replaceafillmjsir911, i didn't get that15:42
mjsir911I have no idea15:42
replaceafillmjsir911, why gmail works with 46515:42
mjsir911no idea at all15:43
mjsir911I think I already wrestled with this on my own time a while ago with my personal mail server, and settled with 46515:43
mjsir911I'm testing it in thunderird atm on Dany's computer15:44
replaceafillmjsir911, cool15:44
mjsir911whats ssl/tls vs starttls?15:44
replaceafillmjsir911, http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/edition5.html#conf_encryption15:46
replaceafillmjsir911, as i understand it, a way to support old clients15:46
mjsir911huh, the public library bans outbound 465 as well...15:53
mjsir911or at least I can telnet to mail.novalaciro.org 465 from my home server but not from my machine15:54
replaceafillmjsir911, ah15:54
mjsir911but I can telnet to portquiz.net over 465...15:55
mjsir911is there a firewall on novalaciro?15:55
replaceafillmjsir911, no, only fail2ban15:56
mjsir911huh15:58
mjsir911well atm she can recieve on thunderbird and send from gmail15:58
mjsir911it's not perfect, but it works15:58
mjsir911and both from her phone15:58
replaceafillmjsir911, before i let you go :)15:58
replaceafillmjsir911, do you know what needs to be changed in postfix15:59
replaceafillmjsir911, so we can allow Daniela to send/receive in gmail?15:59
replaceafillmjsir911, i assume we have send from gmail now15:59
mjsir911ok so idk about recieving (she needs POP3 support for that) in gmail, but for send...15:59
replaceafillmjsir911, ah ok16:00
mjsir911in master.cf, I uncommented lines 28-3816:00
replaceafillmjsir911, sure, i noticed16:00
mjsir911but I think only line 28 is absolutely necessary, the rest just make logging easier16:00
replaceafillmjsir911, i was thinking we need some way to forward from postfix to a gmail account16:01
replaceafillmjsir911, instead of using pop from gmail16:01
mjsir911hmmm, I'm not sure if forwarding is the way to go because that requires intervention by a sysadmin every time a client wants to change the forwarded address16:02
mjsir911I would opt for both IMAP & POP and just have directions for both so anyone can change anything without having us reconfigure anything16:03
replaceafillmjsir911, ok16:04
replaceafillmjsir911, i hate having to support email...16:04
replaceafill:)16:04
replaceafillmjsir911, thanks for you help!16:04
mjsir911yea no problem, sorry I can't contribute much to the ansible configuration (couldn't find master.cf)16:04
replaceafillmjsir911, oh, it's all postconf calls16:05
replaceafillmjsir911, hold on16:06
replaceafillhttps://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/ansible-roles/blob/master/roles/postfix/tasks/main.yml#L92-9716:06
replaceafillhttps://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/ansible-roles/blob/master/roles/postfix/defaults/main.yml#L32-4616:06
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zOnnyHello nathan 16:44
nathanhey edzon16:44
zOnnyhey replaceafill 16:45
zOnnyreplaceafill: busy ?16:45
replaceafillhey zOnny16:51
zOnnyreplaceafill: I have nathan with me right now16:51
replaceafillah16:51
replaceafillhello nathan16:52
nathanhi16:52
zOnnyreplaceafill: I just explained him about what he needs to do16:52
replaceafillzOnny, cool16:53
replaceafilldo you have any questions nathan?16:54
nathanreplaceafill: what should I start with?16:55
replaceafillnathan, i think you should get in touch with mjsir91116:55
zOnnyreplaceafill: mjsir911 was here with him 16:55
replaceafillnathan, afaik you're going to work with him developing a web app16:55
zOnnyreplaceafill: mjsir911 requested him make little fixes with his bikeshare app16:57
zOnnyreplaceafill: to be familiar with16:57
replaceafillzOnny, ah ok16:57
zOnnyreplaceafill: my question so far is16:58
zOnnyreplaceafill: should I help him set tendenci up 16:58
zOnnyreplaceafill: Does Nathan will be working in one of our projects?16:59
replaceafillzOnny, you can ask jelkner but my understanding is that nathan is going to work on a web app to make voting easier17:00
replaceafillzOnny, and by "make voting easier" i mean access tendenci+helios17:00
zOnnyreplaceafill: I understood the same17:00
replaceafillzOnny, if nathan is just getting started with web applications you have time to confirm with jelkner17:00
replaceafillzOnny, nathan so let me know if you need my help17:02
zOnnyreplaceafill: you mean he should start learning how web apps works?17:12
replaceafillzOnny, +117:12
zOnnyreplaceafill:we have already created his gitlab account17:16
replaceafillzOnny, cool17:17
zOnnyreplaceafill: by saying tendenci + helios17:17
zOnnyreplaceafill: should he have tendenci in his local machine ?17:18
replaceafillzOnny, not yet17:19
zOnnyreplaceafill: ok17:19
replaceafillzOnny, that set up is too complicated at the moment17:19
replaceafillzOnny, i'm working with mr_german to simplify it17:19
zOnnyreplaceafill: cool17:19
replaceafillzOnny, hopefully i'll have some news about later this week17:20
zOnnyreplaceafill: good to know that17:27
replaceafillzOnny, we plan to enable helios for our instance this week, so get ready to start voting ;)17:28
zOnnyreplaceafill: that will be a big step17:29
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