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| wolcen | Thanks for joining today's share - good to hear you again and good questions. | 11:39 |
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| lelkneralfaro | wolcen, thanks :). nice to hear you again as well. I'm glad Agaric could put it on | 11:45 |
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| wolcen | so, yeah - as someone pointed out forever ago when I joined the channel - this is really Chris from Agaric spying on y'all ;) | 11:56 |
| replaceafill | welcome wolcen, i keep spying on Agaric too :D | 11:59 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, are you busy? | 12:18 |
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| zOnny | hey replaceafill | 12:24 |
| replaceafill | hey zOnny, have a few minutes to help me with something? | 12:25 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, hello | 12:25 |
| zOnny | updating boxes :( | 12:25 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i can wait until our meeting if you're busy | 12:25 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: sure | 12:25 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, do you still have the first tendenci 11 that you set in your VM following the installation tutorial? | 12:26 |
| zOnny | I removed it | 12:26 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ah ok | 12:26 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, never mind then | 12:26 |
| replaceafill | hello mr_german | 12:26 |
| zOnny | I can install it again | 12:26 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: if you want to test something | 12:27 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, don't worry i was just curious if you could reproduce an issue we're seeing | 12:27 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, do we have a meeting today right? | 12:28 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, yes, 1:30 pm Arlington time | 12:28 |
| mr_german | 11:30 our time | 12:29 |
| mr_german | ? | 12:29 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, yes | 12:29 |
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| mr_german | replaceafill, ready! | 13:29 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, cool | 13:29 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ready? | 13:29 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, what ubuntu version are you running? | 13:30 |
| mr_german | 17.10 | 13:30 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, ok | 13:30 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, but, I am not using ubuntu right now | 13:30 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, if you want i can change | 13:31 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, ok, so you haven't worked yet on figuring out the nova logo issue? | 13:31 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, after the meeting, i was doing something with Photoshop | 13:31 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, something related to NWD? | 13:32 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, are you here? | 13:32 |
| mr_german | nono, its something about my projects | 13:33 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, cool | 13:33 |
| replaceafill | i wonder if zOnny is busy or he forgot about the meeting... | 13:34 |
| zOnny | hey I am back | 13:34 |
| zOnny | I am ready | 13:34 |
| replaceafill | ok | 13:34 |
| replaceafill | so, zOnny what's the status the novawebdev theme for 11? | 13:35 |
| zOnny | I was doing some reviews with marco in the other project | 13:35 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, sre | 13:35 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, sure* | 13:35 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i'll try to make it quick | 13:35 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, status question ^ | 13:35 |
| zOnny | it is almost done | 13:35 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, what's left? | 13:36 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: pages | 13:36 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, what changes does that theme need for pages? | 13:36 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: which will take me 5min more | 13:36 |
| zOnny | I have't created one yet | 13:37 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ok, you have the tendenci2018 defaults loaded, correct? | 13:38 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, welcome page, about, etc | 13:38 |
| zOnny | pages display the same as well | 13:39 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: correct | 13:39 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ok, and you didn't touch custom.css at all, correct? | 13:39 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, you just copied it | 13:39 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: correct | 13:39 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, excellent | 13:39 |
| zOnny | oh | 13:39 |
| zOnny | I change the nav | 13:40 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ? | 13:40 |
| zOnny | I accidentally deleted the navigation 1 | 13:40 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, you mean in the header template? | 13:40 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, but that's mostly a hack, right? | 13:40 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: right | 13:41 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, because you can't control the id | 13:41 |
| zOnny | exactly | 13:41 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, so make sure that doesn't land in the "official" repository, ok? | 13:41 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, make a note or something | 13:41 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, a reminder | 13:41 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I will try | 13:41 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, we'll make sure for you... | 13:41 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ok last question | 13:41 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, could you go to the admin | 13:41 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and go to membership applications in your instance | 13:42 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, there should be a couple by default | 13:42 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, let me know when you're there | 13:42 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: correct | 13:43 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: there is a couple there | 13:43 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, pay attention to your server console | 13:43 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, the one you use for python manage... | 13:43 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and click one of the direct links to the application | 13:43 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, not the one for editing, but the one that takes you to the application form itself | 13:44 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, do you get "infinite" errors in the console? | 13:44 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: no | 13:44 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and by infinite i mean, logging errors or template errors | 13:44 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, what url are you on? | 13:44 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, paste it here please | 13:44 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: sure | 13:45 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: http://192.168.122.236:9000/admin/memberships/membershipapp/1/change/ | 13:45 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, that's the link for editing | 13:45 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i meant the other link in the admin | 13:45 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, hold on | 13:45 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: you add ? | 13:46 |
| replaceafill | i can't remember what the column is | 13:46 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: you mean add | 13:46 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, hold on | 13:46 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, Application form link? | 13:46 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: where ? | 13:47 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, /admin/memberships/membershipapp/ | 13:47 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: http://192.168.122.236:9000/admin/memberships/membershipapp/ | 13:48 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, yes | 13:48 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, theres a column called "Application form link" | 13:48 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, right? | 13:48 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: Application form link | 13:49 |
| zOnny | correct ? | 13:49 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, click the basic-membership-application link in that column | 13:49 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: bad news | 13:50 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, logging errors? | 13:50 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: correct | 13:51 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, cool, you can kill the server | 13:51 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i mean CTRL + C :) | 13:51 |
| zOnny | by killing you mean stop it ? | 13:51 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, yes | 13:51 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: ok | 13:51 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, mr_german ok, so membership applications are broken | 13:51 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: it stops automatically | 13:52 |
| replaceafill | and that's really bad | 13:52 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, cool | 13:52 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, thanks for your help | 13:52 |
| replaceafill | at this point i'm thinking 11 is not production ready | 13:52 |
| replaceafill | unfortunately | 13:52 |
| replaceafill | and if you want to debug the membership applications problem | 13:52 |
| replaceafill | you'll enable "debug" logging | 13:53 |
| replaceafill | which shows you everything! | 13:53 |
| replaceafill | and when you go to the admin you'll notice more issues | 13:53 |
| replaceafill | related to templates | 13:53 |
| replaceafill | i noticed these when i initially installed 11 | 13:54 |
| replaceafill | django-haystack 2.6.0 has requirement Django<1.11, but you'll have django 1.11.14 which is incompatible. | 13:54 |
| replaceafill | django-admin-bootstrapped 2.5.7 has requirement Django<1.9,>=1.8, but you'll have django 1.11.14 which is incompatible. | 13:54 |
| replaceafill | the haystack package has a django 1.11 compatible version | 13:54 |
| replaceafill | so that's fine | 13:54 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I also noticed it | 13:54 |
| replaceafill | but check the second one | 13:54 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ah | 13:54 |
| replaceafill | and if you dig a little bit (profundizar, indagar, whatever!) | 13:55 |
| replaceafill | you may end up here: https://github.com/django-admin-bootstrapped/django-admin-bootstrapped/pull/260 | 13:55 |
| replaceafill | where xrmx (one of the package maintainers) says | 13:55 |
| replaceafill | "there's already a responsive mobile friendly interface in django 2.0 which is installable as separated package for older django versions. I don't see much point in moving this forward." | 13:55 |
| replaceafill | but go to the bottom of the issue | 13:56 |
| replaceafill | and you'll see a mention from PaulSD | 13:56 |
| replaceafill | T8 Bootstrap 4 support | 13:56 |
| replaceafill | which will take you here: https://github.com/tendenci/tendenci/issues/676 | 13:56 |
| replaceafill | Paul and another developer were experimenting with Bootstrap 4 | 13:56 |
| replaceafill | that's why we have t7-base (old themes) | 13:57 |
| replaceafill | t7-tendenci2018 the one we've been using | 13:57 |
| replaceafill | and t8-base | 13:57 |
| replaceafill | which was the "future" | 13:57 |
| replaceafill | unfortunately there are no more updates on this work | 13:57 |
| replaceafill | and i couldn't find any other reference or repos about it | 13:58 |
| replaceafill | see item 6. in Pauls comment | 13:58 |
| replaceafill | "Experimenting with django-flat-responsive and custom Bootstrap 4 admin templates. One or the other will be used to replace django-admin-bootstrapped. (The django-admin-bootstrapped developer recommended django-flat-responsive" | 13:58 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, mr_german do you see where i'm going? | 13:59 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: kind of | 13:59 |
| replaceafill | i'll end up by filing all these issue (the membership one mostly) in github | 13:59 |
| replaceafill | in tendenci's github | 13:59 |
| replaceafill | and asking about 11 readiness for production | 14:00 |
| mr_german | mmm | 14:00 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: you mean we are not ready for tendenci11 | 14:00 |
| replaceafill | but at this point i'd propose to stop the theme migrations | 14:00 |
| mr_german | so t8-base its dead at the moment | 14:00 |
| mr_german | ? | 14:00 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, probably | 14:00 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, t8-base is mostly t7-base with few string improvements | 14:01 |
| replaceafill | it's not a big functionality change | 14:01 |
| replaceafill | like updating bootstrap | 14:01 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, mr_german and here we have some other question | 14:01 |
| replaceafill | you probably haven't seen any issue in the admins | 14:01 |
| replaceafill | i know we've just began using it | 14:02 |
| replaceafill | but the admin seems to work, right? | 14:02 |
| replaceafill | you click, move around, no error pages | 14:02 |
| replaceafill | but if you enable debug logging you'll see a bunch of errors | 14:02 |
| replaceafill | again, because the outdated django bootstrap package | 14:02 |
| replaceafill | that makes me wonder if theming just for the sake of websites would work | 14:03 |
| replaceafill | for instance | 14:03 |
| replaceafill | if the user wants only to add pages, fine | 14:03 |
| replaceafill | that *seems* to work | 14:03 |
| replaceafill | you probaly added boxes already | 14:03 |
| replaceafill | or navs | 14:03 |
| replaceafill | or changed them | 14:04 |
| replaceafill | and it *seemed* to work | 14:04 |
| replaceafill | but it's not stable | 14:04 |
| replaceafill | i wouldn't sell it | 14:04 |
| replaceafill | so after this rant | 14:04 |
| replaceafill | i'd like to hear your opinions | 14:04 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I didn't expect these Issues | 14:04 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, zOnny what do you think we should do | 14:04 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i expected "some" | 14:05 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, but not the membership applications broken | 14:05 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, sure, novawebdev *still* doesn't use membership applications | 14:05 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, but most of the other projects do | 14:05 |
| replaceafill | and what.... | 14:06 |
| mr_german | I wasn't expecting about those issues with admin interface | 14:06 |
| replaceafill | how do you say "consolar" in english... | 14:06 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, do you understand "consolar" | 14:06 |
| replaceafill | comfort | 14:06 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i was expecting them when i noticed the conflict in the installation | 14:06 |
| zOnny | console? | 14:06 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, http://www.wordreference.com/es/en/translation.asp?spen=consolar | 14:07 |
| replaceafill | :) | 14:07 |
| replaceafill | what comforts me | 14:07 |
| replaceafill | is that the work you've done so far won't be lost | 14:07 |
| replaceafill | and it's proved to be a decent approach | 14:07 |
| replaceafill | i'm not sure how much time it took you zOnny, but we were discussing with mr_german yesterday | 14:07 |
| replaceafill | that it wasn't as bad as i initially expected | 14:08 |
| replaceafill | migrating a theme, that is | 14:08 |
| replaceafill | i'd still like the process to be a little more "automatic" | 14:08 |
| zOnny | I didn't sleep last night :( | 14:08 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, hitting walls? | 14:08 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, what was the main cause of pain for your migration? | 14:09 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: good to know that you found it | 14:09 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, hm? | 14:10 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, found what? | 14:10 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I mean the membership application Issue | 14:11 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ah | 14:11 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, right | 14:11 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, it was a matter of time really | 14:11 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, but it showed some other issues | 14:11 |
| replaceafill | one of hte issues that i noticed since the beginning in LFOR | 14:12 |
| replaceafill | was fixed like 2 days ago by tendenci.com | 14:12 |
| replaceafill | about caching | 14:12 |
| replaceafill | that means, they're at least "trying" it | 14:12 |
| replaceafill | maybe they will recommend that is not production ready when i ask them | 14:13 |
| replaceafill | ok, so i understand neither of us expected "bugs" heh | 14:13 |
| replaceafill | this is software! | 14:13 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, mr_german what do you recommend us to do? | 14:13 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, mr_german i want ideas! ;) | 14:13 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, mr_german a plan | 14:13 |
| mr_german | mm | 14:14 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, mr_german what decision would you make with all this information? | 14:15 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, at this point, I think we've jumped to fast to the new version, we didn't expect this issue | 14:15 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, sure, but that's regret, and we really learned something | 14:16 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i'm asking you for a plan | 14:16 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, what would *you* do moving forward? | 14:16 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ^ | 14:16 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, the only thing that comes to my mind is trying to resolve this problem | 14:17 |
| mr_german | idk | 14:17 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, how? | 14:17 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, sometimes is better to back off a plan entirely :) | 14:18 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, or delay, or pause | 14:18 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, your thoughts please? | 14:18 |
| mr_german | we can pause o wait if you want replaceafill | 14:18 |
| mr_german | or* | 14:18 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, let's see what zOnny thinks | 14:19 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I think we should keep doing it until they release Fixes | 14:19 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, keep doing it? | 14:20 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, could you rephrase that? | 14:20 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: not sure what we should do | 14:22 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, that's fine | 14:22 |
| replaceafill | ok, i'll file the issue with our findings | 14:23 |
| replaceafill | and ask about ther "production readiness" recommendation | 14:23 |
| replaceafill | their* | 14:23 |
| replaceafill | then i'll contact jelkner and lelkneralfaro | 14:23 |
| replaceafill | to inform the situation | 14:23 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, mr_german makes sense? | 14:24 |
| replaceafill | in the meantime let's go back to support other projects mode | 14:24 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, +1 | 14:24 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, hey you're here :D | 14:24 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, yup, I haven't been paying attention, but I'll go back through the logs | 14:24 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, cool, thanks | 14:25 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, mr_german is that ok with you? | 14:25 |
| mr_german | mm let me think | 14:25 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, mr_german don't make me use helios for this :D | 14:25 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, it sounds good to me x) | 14:26 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: thanks for the news | 14:26 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, cool | 14:26 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, np | 14:26 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I hope they can fix it soon | 14:26 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, zOnny thank you for the time gentlemen | 14:26 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, me too, let's see if we can help | 14:26 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, once we know their position about production | 14:27 |
| mr_german | 1+ | 14:27 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, anything else? or back to work x)? | 14:27 |
| replaceafill | ACTION drops the bag of gravel | 14:27 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: one question | 14:27 |
| replaceafill | thanks guys | 14:27 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, yes? | 14:27 |
| zOnny | Daniela was wondering about SEO of novalaciro website | 14:28 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, any specific request? | 14:28 |
| zOnny | she wants to see the website on google once she is searching it by the name | 14:29 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ah ok | 14:30 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, is she around? | 14:30 |
| zOnny | nobody is here today :( | 14:30 |
| zOnny | Marco just left | 14:30 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i think you should take novalaciro's task like those | 14:30 |
| replaceafill | tasks | 14:30 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i remember she also wanted to retitle the spanish version of the name | 14:31 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, but she didn't file a bug about it | 14:31 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, remind her jelkner's saying of "no bug, no work" | 14:31 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: do what? | 14:31 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i understand you see it often | 14:31 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, make novalaciro hit the #1 spot in google | 14:32 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: it is the second already | 14:32 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, do you see this: "No information is available for this page." under it | 14:33 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I think it is the meta description Issue | 14:33 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, that's step 1 | 14:34 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: so ? | 14:34 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, then make sure existing pages have appropriate metas | 14:34 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and train Daniela how to use them | 14:34 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, do you have other "pressing" tasks? | 14:34 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, related to NWD? | 14:35 |
| zOnny | I will train myself as well | 14:35 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, +1 | 14:35 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, did you know Tendenci's creator is a big SEO "buff?" | 14:35 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: seriously ? | 14:35 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, yep | 14:35 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, hold on | 14:36 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, you may even talk to him about it if you're willing to | 14:36 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I am fine | 14:36 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, check this out: https://github.com/tendenci/tendenci/issues/685#issuecomment-394572592 | 14:36 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I like to be anonimous | 14:36 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, for now my friend... | 14:36 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, anyway, see how metas are populated in pages | 14:37 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, if not adjust them | 14:37 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and make sure the novalaciro them displays them correctly | 14:37 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, for the homepage, well it's just the template's work | 14:37 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I will try | 14:38 |
| zOnny | ¬ ¬ | 14:38 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and you can read a lot about the proper way to write the metas | 14:38 |
| replaceafill | https://github.com/tendenci/tendenci/issues/685#issuecomment-394572592 | 14:38 |
| replaceafill | oops | 14:38 |
| replaceafill | https://searchenginewatch.com/2016/05/26/how-to-write-meta-descriptions-for-seo-with-good-and-bad-examples/ | 14:38 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: this helps | 14:39 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: thanks | 14:39 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, then you'll get to cross reference links | 14:39 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, internal links | 14:39 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, how many external sites have links to your page | 14:39 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I will do it with her | 14:39 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, what's the most important factor for google rank algorithm | 14:39 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, great | 14:39 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: meta desccription should be especific | 14:39 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, let me know if you have questions or need thelp | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, it depends | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, but anything is better than: | 14:40 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: Did you know that metakeywords are trash | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | No information is available for this page. | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, mostly, yes | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, they were abused a lot | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, https://webmasters.googleblog.com/2009/09/google-does-not-use-keywords-meta-tag.html | 14:41 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: thanks | 14:41 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ok | 14:41 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: ttyl | 14:41 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ttyl o/ | 14:41 |
| replaceafill | ACTION goes to get lunch | 14:42 |
| replaceafill | bb in ~30 | 14:42 |
| replaceafill | ACTION is back | 15:16 |
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