IRC log of #novawebdev for Saturday, 2018-09-08

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jelknerGood morning, replaceafill 10:39
replaceafillgood morning jelkner10:39
jelknerI've been working on AEA all morning.10:39
jelknerI have all but one of our ACC building members in a Google group10:40
jelknerand have an updated list with all but one email addresses.10:40
jelknerWe have our 1st Delegate Assembly meeting on Monday10:40
jelknerIngrid told me I can pass around a sign-up list for delegates to get them added to a building delegate list.10:41
jelknerand ask what folks think about signing-in online10:41
replaceafilljelkner, ah10:41
jelknerreplaceafill, what is the status of our work on events?10:41
replaceafilljelkner, not much progress on that front unfortunately10:42
jelknerok, so i won't push it yet10:42
replaceafilljelkner, do you need to add one?10:42
jelknerwe want to get AEA (and ORA) to use it widely10:42
jelknerbut not until we clean up the creation a bit10:42
replaceafilljelkner, +110:43
jelknerand at least remove that bug that keeps causing events to fail10:43
jelknerso i'll hold off on that until you give me the word10:43
jelknerin the mean time, we want to get the email list of ACC members loaded into the system10:43
jelknerso lelkneralfaro should work with keri on doing that10:44
replaceafilljelkner, yes10:44
jelkneryou and lelkneralfaro are both shared on that sheet10:45
jelknerjust forwarded you and email so you can see what i've up to, replaceafill 10:47
replaceafilljelkner, checking10:47
jelkneri only really have weekends to work on all this10:48
replaceafilljelkner, we should sync on weekends10:48
jelknerweek days i'm too busy with teacher stuff10:48
jelknerlooks like we are back on for Gallaudet most Sunday mornings10:48
jelknerzOnny, mjsir911, and i are going tomorrow10:49
jelknerto meet ubuntourist, of course10:49
replaceafilljelkner, nice flyer10:50
jelknercan you and i try the hangout so i'm ready for 11 am?10:50
replaceafilljelkner, let me get my gear10:51
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replaceafilljelkner, just a minute10:53
jelknergood morning, lelkneralfaro 10:53
lelkneralfarojelkner, good morning10:53
jelknerplease check the irc logs so you can see what replaceafill and i have been discussing10:53
lelkneralfarojelkner, just did10:53
replaceafilljelkner, ready10:54
replaceafillgood morning lelkneralfaro10:54
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, good morning10:54
lelkneralfarojelkner, already looked at the log10:54
jelkneralso, i was hoping to start the hangout early, so i can make sure my gear works10:54
jelkneri'm at acc10:54
lelkneralfarojelkner, +110:54
replaceafilljelkner, you can call me10:54
jelknerjust sent invite, replaceafill 10:55
lelkneralfarojelkner, did you get the call?10:55
replaceafilljelkner, didn't get it10:55
jelkneri don't know how to call10:56
jelkneri click + search for your name, then click the hangouts icon10:56
jelknerand it offers me an invite screen10:56
lelkneralfarojelkner,  I'm going to call you right now10:57
lelkneralfarojelkner, okay?10:57
jelkneri don't understand10:58
replaceafilljelkner, you sound underwater10:58
replaceafilljelkner, now that the Liberia plan is a bit more clear I'll try to work on events next week12:24
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, me and jelkner are on phone he'll get back in a minute12:27
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, ah ok12:27
jelknergreat, replaceafill 12:31
jelknerbefore we leave this discussion for today12:31
jelkneri should apologize if i muddied the waters with the ST idea12:31
jelkneri have an important question for you, replaceafill 12:32
replaceafilljelkner, yes?12:32
jelknerdo we agree that an agile, tdd approach is what we want as NOVA Web Development?12:32
replaceafilljelkner, it depends :D12:32
jelknerwhile that answer may be accurate, it isn't very helpful12:33
jelknerwe are small, and relatively inexperienced12:33
jelknersimplification helps12:33
replaceafilljelkner, let me answer you with a question if i may12:33
jelknertoo much nuance does not12:33
replaceafilljelkner, why do you ask?12:33
jelkneri ask because i have been assuming that is the case12:34
jelknerand that we were going to use this opportunity to move in that direction12:34
jelkneri thought you and i were on the same page when we talked about this being an opportunity to train mr_german and zOnny in best practices12:35
replaceafilljelkner, my it depends answer has mostly to do with the client we're working with basically12:35
jelknerwhen we first looked at OSIS12:36
jelknerreplaceafill, our custodian has an emergancy12:36
jelknerand needs my help12:36
jelknerbb in a bit12:36
replaceafilljelkner, np12:36
jelknerreplaceafill, can we hangout to continue?12:49
replaceafilljelkner, sure12:49
jelknersame url?12:49
jelkneror do we need a new one?12:49
replaceafilljelkner, we need a new one12:49
jelknershould i create that, or you?12:49
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jelknergood afternoon, zOnny!13:17
zOnnygood afternoon, jelkner 13:18
zOnnyhey replaceafill 13:19
zOnnyreplaceafill: busy ?13:20
replaceafillzOnny, in a meeting13:21
zOnnyreplaceafill: ok13:23
replaceafillzOnny, done13:25
replaceafillzOnny, starting from your doc13:30
replaceafillzOnny, i think we need a help file like this:
replaceafillzOnny, for Libre Organize and CMS sites13:30
jelknerzOnny, we are on for 8:20 am tomorrow, yes?13:31
jelknerI'll be standing where I usually wait for you.13:31
jelknerzOnny, please just say, "yes" if we are on for tomorrow ;-)13:32
jelknerOr even +1 if you want to save a character!13:32
jelknerreplaceafill, any idea what happened to zOnny?13:42
replaceafilljelkner, nope13:42
zOnnyjelkner: yes13:42
jelkneryou're killing me, zOnny13:42
zOnnyjelkner: sorry :(13:43
zOnnyreplaceafill: I have a question13:43
replaceafillzOnny, yes?13:44
zOnnyreplaceafill: Why is not  bilingual ? 13:44
replaceafillzOnny, because ansible-roles don't have that13:45
zOnnyreplaceafill: ah13:45
replaceafillzOnny, do you need it to be bilingual?13:46
zOnnyreplaceafill: I am assuming she would like it bilingual 13:47
zOnnyreplaceafill: I am sending an email right now13:47
replaceafillzOnny, was that part of the initial estimate...?13:47
zOnnyreplaceafill: good question13:48
zOnnyreplaceafill: I will charge +$400 for it :D13:48
replaceafillzOnny, jelkner would be a better person for you to have this conversation with13:49
zOnnyreplaceafill: ok13:50
replaceafillzOnny, he's more... understanding and... caring...13:50
replaceafillzOnny, from the tech point of view13:50
replaceafillzOnny, you can either solve it manually on your own, you have sudo in the server13:50
replaceafillzOnny, but i'd prefer to do it13:50
zOnnyreplaceafill: I see13:50
replaceafillzOnny, with a separate role13:51
zOnnyreplaceafill: ok13:51
replaceafillzOnny, since not all the cms sites need internationalization13:51
zOnnyreplaceafill: ah13:52
zOnnyreplaceafill: good point13:52
replaceafillzOnny, as i said attendance and threaded posts are there because they're part of libre organize13:52
replaceafillzOnny, and attendance is off by default13:52
replaceafillzOnny, so it's not a big deal13:52
replaceafillzOnny, if you ask a customer, would you like this and this and this niceties13:52
replaceafillzOnny, they'll probably answer yes13:53
replaceafillzOnny, if you ask a customer, would you have all these niceties for $XX13:53
replaceafillzOnny, they may reply differently13:53
replaceafillzOnny, so you should discuss it with "business" first13:53
replaceafillzOnny, i'm "tech" :P13:53
replaceafillzOnny, if she goes for it with an extra price, we could even have you write the ansible role yourself13:54
replaceafillzOnny, with some guidance ofc13:54
replaceafillzOnny, so we can use it in the future, like an investment13:55
zOnnyreplaceafill:  right13:55
jelknerzOnny, I want to echo what replaceafill is telling you.14:04
jelknerIn fact, if you don't charge them anything, it is often the case that they don't even value what you are doing.14:04
jelknerso it can be frustrating for you14:05
jelknersince they don't respond to your requests for information, etc.14:05
jelknerthe goal, zOnny, is to provide customers with the services *they want*!14:05
jelknerso they should be driving the process14:06
jelknerwe should basically do what they tell us and tell them what it will cost them.14:06
jelknerthen we need to send them invoices14:07
jelknerand get paid14:07
jelknerlelkneralfaro and i have been talking about adding a 10% late charge to invoices more than 30 days late14:08
jelknerthat is standard practice14:08
jelknerand helps you get paid on time14:08
jelknersince otherwise, we spend way too much time trying to collect14:08
jelknerACTION steps down from his soap box14:09
zOnnyjelkner: right14:09
jelknerlet's talk more tomorrow, zOnny, on the way to Gallaudet14:10
jelknerbtw. Heylin is coming with us.14:10
jelknerSo the gang is back! ;-)14:10
zOnnyjelkner: cool 14:11
replaceafilljelkner, i'm signing off14:47
replaceafilljelkner, will try to come online tomorrow (not sure though)14:47
replaceafilljelkner, otherwise see you monday o/14:47
replaceafillACTION signs off for the day14:47
jelknerACTION signs off for the day15:03
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