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| jelkner | Good morning, replaceafill | 10:39 |
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| replaceafill | good morning jelkner | 10:39 |
| jelkner | I've been working on AEA all morning. | 10:39 |
| jelkner | I have all but one of our ACC building members in a Google group | 10:40 |
| jelkner | and have an updated list with all but one email addresses. | 10:40 |
| jelkner | We have our 1st Delegate Assembly meeting on Monday | 10:40 |
| jelkner | Ingrid told me I can pass around a sign-up list for delegates to get them added to a building delegate list. | 10:41 |
| jelkner | and ask what folks think about signing-in online | 10:41 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah | 10:41 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, what is the status of our work on events? | 10:41 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, not much progress on that front unfortunately | 10:42 |
| jelkner | ok, so i won't push it yet | 10:42 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, do you need to add one? | 10:42 |
| jelkner | we want to get AEA (and ORA) to use it widely | 10:42 |
| jelkner | but not until we clean up the creation a bit | 10:42 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 | 10:43 |
| jelkner | and at least remove that bug that keeps causing events to fail | 10:43 |
| jelkner | so i'll hold off on that until you give me the word | 10:43 |
| jelkner | in the mean time, we want to get the email list of ACC members loaded into the system | 10:43 |
| jelkner | so lelkneralfaro should work with keri on doing that | 10:44 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes | 10:44 |
| jelkner | you and lelkneralfaro are both shared on that sheet | 10:45 |
| jelkner | just forwarded you and email so you can see what i've up to, replaceafill | 10:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, checking | 10:47 |
| jelkner | i only really have weekends to work on all this | 10:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we should sync on weekends | 10:48 |
| jelkner | week days i'm too busy with teacher stuff | 10:48 |
| jelkner | +1 | 10:48 |
| jelkner | looks like we are back on for Gallaudet most Sunday mornings | 10:48 |
| jelkner | zOnny, mjsir911, and i are going tomorrow | 10:49 |
| jelkner | to meet ubuntourist, of course | 10:49 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, nice flyer | 10:50 |
| jelkner | can you and i try the hangout so i'm ready for 11 am? | 10:50 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, let me get my gear | 10:51 |
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| replaceafill | jelkner, just a minute | 10:53 |
| jelkner | good morning, lelkneralfaro | 10:53 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, good morning | 10:53 |
| jelkner | please check the irc logs so you can see what replaceafill and i have been discussing | 10:53 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, just did | 10:53 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ready | 10:54 |
| replaceafill | good morning lelkneralfaro | 10:54 |
| jelkner | http://irclogs.novawebdevelopment.org/2018-09-08.log.html | 10:54 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, good morning | 10:54 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, already looked at the log | 10:54 |
| jelkner | also, i was hoping to start the hangout early, so i can make sure my gear works | 10:54 |
| jelkner | i'm at acc | 10:54 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, +1 | 10:54 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you can call me | 10:54 |
| jelkner | just sent invite, replaceafill | 10:55 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, did you get the call? | 10:55 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, didn't get it | 10:55 |
| jelkner | i don't know how to call | 10:56 |
| jelkner | i click + search for your name, then click the hangouts icon | 10:56 |
| jelkner | and it offers me an invite screen | 10:56 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I'm going to call you right now | 10:57 |
| jelkner | +1 | 10:57 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, okay? | 10:57 |
| jelkner | nothing | 10:57 |
| jelkner | i don't understand | 10:58 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, https://hangouts.google.com/call/DbipH7locEkXvTFwaJ-LAAEE | 10:58 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you sound underwater | 10:58 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, now that the Liberia plan is a bit more clear I'll try to work on events next week | 12:24 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, me and jelkner are on phone he'll get back in a minute | 12:27 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, ah ok | 12:27 |
| jelkner | great, replaceafill | 12:31 |
| jelkner | before we leave this discussion for today | 12:31 |
| jelkner | i should apologize if i muddied the waters with the ST idea | 12:31 |
| jelkner | i have an important question for you, replaceafill | 12:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes? | 12:32 |
| jelkner | do we agree that an agile, tdd approach is what we want as NOVA Web Development? | 12:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, it depends :D | 12:32 |
| jelkner | while that answer may be accurate, it isn't very helpful | 12:33 |
| jelkner | we are small, and relatively inexperienced | 12:33 |
| jelkner | simplification helps | 12:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, let me answer you with a question if i may | 12:33 |
| jelkner | too much nuance does not | 12:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, why do you ask? | 12:33 |
| jelkner | i ask because i have been assuming that is the case | 12:34 |
| jelkner | and that we were going to use this opportunity to move in that direction | 12:34 |
| jelkner | i thought you and i were on the same page when we talked about this being an opportunity to train mr_german and zOnny in best practices | 12:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, my it depends answer has mostly to do with the client we're working with basically | 12:35 |
| jelkner | when we first looked at OSIS | 12:36 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, our custodian has an emergancy | 12:36 |
| jelkner | and needs my help | 12:36 |
| jelkner | bb in a bit | 12:36 |
| jelkner | sorry | 12:36 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, np | 12:36 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, can we hangout to continue? | 12:49 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, sure | 12:49 |
| jelkner | same url? | 12:49 |
| jelkner | or do we need a new one? | 12:49 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we need a new one | 12:49 |
| jelkner | should i create that, or you? | 12:49 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, https://hangouts.google.com/call/iRpcvrNgbye_B77ExbsoAAEE | 12:50 |
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| jelkner | good afternoon, zOnny! | 13:17 |
| zOnny | good afternoon, jelkner | 13:18 |
| zOnny | hey replaceafill | 13:19 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: busy ? | 13:20 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, in a meeting | 13:21 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: ok | 13:23 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, done | 13:25 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, starting from your doc | 13:30 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i think we need a help file like this: https://tendenci.readthedocs.io/en/latest/testing/post-install-checklist.html | 13:30 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, for Libre Organize and CMS sites | 13:30 |
| jelkner | zOnny, we are on for 8:20 am tomorrow, yes? | 13:31 |
| jelkner | I'll be standing where I usually wait for you. | 13:31 |
| jelkner | zOnny, please just say, "yes" if we are on for tomorrow ;-) | 13:32 |
| jelkner | Or even +1 if you want to save a character! | 13:32 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, any idea what happened to zOnny? | 13:42 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, nope | 13:42 |
| zOnny | jelkner: yes | 13:42 |
| jelkner | lol | 13:42 |
| jelkner | you're killing me, zOnny | 13:42 |
| zOnny | jelkner: sorry :( | 13:43 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I have a question | 13:43 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, yes? | 13:44 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: Why is not abbyscleaning.us bilingual ? | 13:44 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, because ansible-roles don't have that | 13:45 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: ah | 13:45 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, do you need it to be bilingual? | 13:46 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I am assuming she would like it bilingual | 13:47 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I am sending an email right now | 13:47 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, was that part of the initial estimate...? | 13:47 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: good question | 13:48 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I will charge +$400 for it :D | 13:48 |
| replaceafill | sigh... | 13:49 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, jelkner would be a better person for you to have this conversation with | 13:49 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: ok | 13:50 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, he's more... understanding and... caring... | 13:50 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, from the tech point of view | 13:50 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, you can either solve it manually on your own, you have sudo in the server | 13:50 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, but i'd prefer to do it | 13:50 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I see | 13:50 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, with a separate role | 13:51 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: ok | 13:51 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, since not all the cms sites need internationalization | 13:51 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: ah | 13:52 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: good point | 13:52 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, as i said attendance and threaded posts are there because they're part of libre organize | 13:52 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and attendance is off by default | 13:52 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, so it's not a big deal | 13:52 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, if you ask a customer, would you like this and this and this niceties | 13:52 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, they'll probably answer yes | 13:53 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, if you ask a customer, would you have all these niceties for $XX | 13:53 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, they may reply differently | 13:53 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, so you should discuss it with "business" first | 13:53 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i'm "tech" :P | 13:53 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, if she goes for it with an extra price, we could even have you write the ansible role yourself | 13:54 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, with some guidance ofc | 13:54 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, so we can use it in the future, like an investment | 13:55 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: right | 13:55 |
| jelkner | zOnny, I want to echo what replaceafill is telling you. | 14:04 |
| jelkner | In fact, if you don't charge them anything, it is often the case that they don't even value what you are doing. | 14:04 |
| jelkner | so it can be frustrating for you | 14:05 |
| jelkner | since they don't respond to your requests for information, etc. | 14:05 |
| jelkner | the goal, zOnny, is to provide customers with the services *they want*! | 14:05 |
| jelkner | so they should be driving the process | 14:06 |
| jelkner | we should basically do what they tell us and tell them what it will cost them. | 14:06 |
| jelkner | then we need to send them invoices | 14:07 |
| jelkner | and get paid | 14:07 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro and i have been talking about adding a 10% late charge to invoices more than 30 days late | 14:08 |
| jelkner | that is standard practice | 14:08 |
| jelkner | and helps you get paid on time | 14:08 |
| jelkner | since otherwise, we spend way too much time trying to collect | 14:08 |
| jelkner | ACTION steps down from his soap box | 14:09 |
| zOnny | jelkner: right | 14:09 |
| jelkner | let's talk more tomorrow, zOnny, on the way to Gallaudet | 14:10 |
| jelkner | btw. Heylin is coming with us. | 14:10 |
| jelkner | So the gang is back! ;-) | 14:10 |
| zOnny | jelkner: cool | 14:11 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'm signing off | 14:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, will try to come online tomorrow (not sure though) | 14:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, otherwise see you monday o/ | 14:47 |
| replaceafill | ACTION signs off for the day | 14:47 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off for the day | 15:03 |
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