IRC log of #novawebdev for Sunday, 2018-10-28

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Big_BrotherPycon poster session has been submitted. What is the plan to finalize the charla? (jelkner)11:00
zOnnyHello everyone!11:00
zOnnyHello ?11:02
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mjsir911Hi all, ubuntourist is dealing with his wifi, so I'll forward the meeting for now11:04
mjsir911issue #1 seems to be mostly jelkner, so let's move on to issue #2, unless anyone has anything to say?11:04
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ubuntouristHullo. 11:06
replaceafillgood morning everybody11:06
ubuntouristNetwork connectivity sketchy for me.11:07
mr_germanhi11:07
ubuntouristSounds like we're already on item 2 of 2 on the agenda.11:07
ubuntouristThis would be this afternoon's visit to Greenbelt Makerspace.11:07
ubuntouristThe space started out as "Club 125" and was, I believe, just a wee non-profit educational club.11:08
ubuntouristThey found some reason to transform into a co-op.11:08
ubuntouristSo. Today's gathering will be to find out why, how and how successful are they?11:09
ubuntouristI think they've managed to integrate themselves with other businesses in the area,11:09
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ubuntouristOne of the people we're meeting will be coming from the local farmers' market, where, I think, he's representing and advertising the Greenbelt Makerspace.11:10
ubuntouristI guess that's all I have to say about the visit.11:10
ubuntouristAnyone else?11:11
ubuntourist(If not, I have another item to bring up. Awaiting the "go ahead".)11:12
replaceafillgo ahead :)11:12
ubuntouristOK.11:12
ubuntouristThis morning, at breakfast, we were discussing the business plan.11:12
ubuntouristzOnny laid out what jelkner thought were the key components of LibreOrganize:11:13
ubuntouristmembership management, voting, events, and forums.11:13
ubuntouristIt is my belief that the tech we are competing with (CiviCRM, Nation Builder, etc.) also include a financial component.11:14
replaceafillubuntourist, financial component? like member fees?11:15
ubuntouristThe whole "constituency management" thing. If we're talking about unions, they'll want to know who's paying their union dues, and what their outgoing expenses and current balance.11:15
ubuntouristreplaceafill, yes, among other things. Tendenci already has some of that, yes?11:16
replaceafillubuntourist, yes11:16
ubuntouristreplaceafill, Does LibreOrganize do anything special to make that better suited to the intended audiences? Or do we just say "Hey, it's there. Figure out how to set it up for your group"?11:17
ubuntouristreplaceafill, (Or maybe the default is already pretty easy to figure out without any special tweaking from NOVA Web Development?)11:18
replaceafillso far it has been "we don't have a use case for that"11:18
replaceafillnea4or is the closest we've been11:18
replaceafillbut tendenci throws a lot of info at you11:19
replaceafilland it's a bit disorganized11:19
replaceafillmy idea would be this could be improved with the new theme zOnny and mr_german are working on11:19
zOnnyreplaceafill: True11:20
ubuntouristreplaceafill, Ah. I just think that if zOnny is building a "business plan" and the idea is to market ourselves and that as our flagship product, the finance stuff would be high on my list as a potential customer.11:20
replaceafillubuntourist, i agree11:20
ubuntouristreplaceafill, Especially if I was transitioning from something like Nation Builder.11:20
zOnnyubuntourist: I have been working in the Business PLan that I will submit to the kilner Group 11:20
replaceafillzOnny, where is that doc?11:21
zOnnyubuntourist: replaceafill I would like them know what exactly we are doing 11:21
zOnnyreplaceafill: hold on11:21
zOnnyreplaceafill: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1h7ID96KLXqwalaQ9ZDo4zmuYZ36UeXjL7SWMC7XGjJI/edit11:22
replaceafillzOnny, thanks, i'll take a look after the meeting11:22
replaceafilli agree with ubuntourist of using the financial components in tendenci, we just need to clean the implementation a bit11:23
zOnnyreplaceafill: I would like to know what would be the prices of libre organize11:24
replaceafillfor instance invoices for free events don't make any sense11:24
replaceafillsame for free membership applications11:24
zOnnyreplaceafill: Do we know exatly what type of co-op we are ?11:25
replaceafillzOnny, we have a pricing page, right?11:25
replaceafillzOnny, type of co-op?11:25
ubuntouristzOnny, "worker-owned" is probably the key phrase.11:25
zOnnyubuntourist: how others can join to our co-op ?11:26
ubuntouristzOnny, It's not like a "food co-op" where people join for a discounted rate on goods. It is more related to the internal "governance" and the sharing of profits in a way that is different from non-co-op businesses.11:27
zOnnyubuntourist: that is exactly that I was trying to understand11:28
ubuntouristBut really, it is largely jelkner and louis who are doing the heavy reading on the subject. So, you'll probably need to get a lot of input from them.11:28
zOnnyubuntourist: our business plan seems to be more in the political way11:28
replaceafillzOnny, and regarding the process of joining, lelkneralfaro worked on bylaws to define that11:29
zOnnyreplaceafill: I will need to look at if they want to know what NOVA Web development is looking in the market place11:30
ubuntouristzOnny, Yes, we're trying to attract business from groups that have political goals and agendas. But we will need to be famous before groups with real money switch to us.11:30
replaceafillfamous and very experienced :)11:31
zOnnyubuntourist: good point11:31
ubuntouristzOnny, If people have already invested money in some other product, and it is working for them, it is a big risk to switch to something that they don't know, even if it is cheaper.11:32
ubuntouristzOnny, So, it has to be used by someone they know. Telling an organization that it is used by some other organization they have never heard of will not be enough to make them switch,11:34
zOnnyubuntourist: I need to clean up all the wording parts that others may wonder 11:34
ubuntourist(At least that's my opinion.)11:34
replaceafilli agree with ubuntourist11:34
ubuntouristAnyway, we're at 11:33. I don't worry about that as much as jelkner, but I want to "respect the process".11:35
zOnnyubuntourist: cool11:35
replaceafillkk11:35
zOnnyreplaceafill: ubuntourist thanks for the feedbacks11:35
replaceafillzOnny, thank you for working on that11:35
zOnnyI want others know what NOVA web Development is looking for11:36
ubuntouristChair for next week?11:36
zOnny*to11:36
replaceafillubuntourist, i can help with that11:36
replaceafilloh11:36
replaceafillquick question11:36
ubuntouristreplaceafill, "Tag. You're 'it'!"11:36
mr_germanzOnny, i'd like to meet with you tomorrow btw11:36
replaceafillyou switch time's next sunday, right?11:37
ubuntouristreplaceafill, You would think we would know.., ;-)11:37
ubuntouristreplaceafill, Silly you.11:37
replaceafilllol11:37
replaceafill:D11:37
zOnnyreplaceafill: good catch11:37
replaceafilli just wanted to warn mr_german11:37
zOnnymr_german: can we chat after the meeting ?11:37
mr_germanzOnny, yes11:38
zOnnymr_german: cool11:38
replaceafillanyway i think you can drop the bag ubuntourist11:38
ubuntouristI'll check but probably11:38
ubuntouristACTION drops the proverbial ball of gravel (and others can pick it up if they want to continue)11:38
replaceafill:O11:38
ubuntourist(I meant I'll check on time zone change. But that sounds about right.)11:39
replaceafillmr_german, just be aware that next week meeting will be 1 hour later for us11:39
mr_germanreplaceafill, 10am then?11:40
replaceafillmr_german, and starting next sunday VA will be only 1 hour ahead11:40
replaceafillmr_german, yep11:40
mr_germanreplaceafill, oh cool11:40
ubuntouristP.S. nrcerna says (via e-mail) "Hoping you're doing great,  as I mentioned the last meeting, I'm not available to attend the meeting, but I'm going to send you the proposal for the poster today."11:40
zOnnyubuntourist: thanks for the update on it11:41
replaceafillzOnny, mr_german a quick update on my work you may be interested11:43
replaceafillzOnny, mr_german i have a "super" project for tendenci7 and helios11:43
replaceafillzOnny, mr_german that uses them both as apps11:43
mr_germanreplaceafill, thats really good11:43
zOnnyreplaceafill: I was about to ask how to get tendenci as a app11:44
replaceafillzOnny, mr_german i tried tendenci11 but that doesn't fly with django1.811:44
replaceafillzOnny, mr_german so if we want tendenci11, we'll need to port django to python311:44
replaceafillzOnny, mr_german i started looking at that last week too11:44
replaceafillzOnny, mr_german i'll keep you posted if i'm able to pull it or give up on it11:45
replaceafillzOnny, mr_german what's your status with the new theme?11:45
zOnnyreplaceafill: I was starting the new project with Djnago 1.11 and python3.611:45
replaceafillzOnny, cool11:45
ubuntouristBTW, Time zone change from Eastern Daylight Time to Eastern Standard Time is indeed next week. So what is now 11:45 will be 10:45 next Sunday.11:46
replaceafillubuntourist, right, thanks for confirming11:46
zOnnyreplaceafill: I will chat this with mr_german 11:46
mr_germanyes11:47
replaceafillzOnny, cool11:47
zOnnyreplaceafill: I will need your help to get helios + tendenci as an apps so11:47
zOnnyreplaceafill: later11:47
replaceafillzOnny, i can help you with it tuesday11:48
replaceafillzOnny, i won't be around tomorrow in the afternoon11:48
zOnnyreplaceafill: 4 pm ?11:48
replaceafillzOnny, tuesday 4pm, that's a date!11:48
replaceafill:D11:48
replaceafillzOnny, ttyt11:48
zOnnyreplaceafill: cool11:48
zOnnyreplaceafill: ok11:49
zOnnymr_german: would you like to chat or hangouts ?11:49
mr_germanzOnny, hangout11:52
mr_germanzOnny, give me a momment11:53
mr_germanmoment*11:53
zOnnymr_german: I will switch my wifi 11:53
mr_germanok11:53
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zOnnymr_german: let me know when you are ready12:01
mr_germanzOnny, ready12:08
mr_germanzOnny, call me12:09
zOnnymr_german: ok12:09
replaceafillACTION signs off for the day12:17
zOnnymr_german: Do you started a new app in the frank that you had already?12:47
mr_germanzOnny, yes12:49
zOnnymr_german: I started a new one :(12:49
mr_germanzOnny, cool13:44
zOnnymr_german: it doesn't run my new instance :(14:10
mr_germanwhy14:10
zOnnymr_german: I am trying to figure out what I did with the other frank14:11
zOnnymr_german: I have done the app already14:11
zOnnymr_german: I am running it in my virtual machine14:11
zOnnymr_german: I have to leave14:13
zOnnymr_german:  can we meet tomorrow ?14:13
zOnnymr_german: I think everything is set but I need to set up y virtual machine14:13
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