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| jelkner | !remind | 10:15 |
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| Big_Brother | Look into May First / People Link? (jelkner) | 10:15 |
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| DG123 | !remind Talk about alternative forms of business for NWD | 10:18 |
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| jelkner | Good morning, replaceafill! | 10:33 |
| replaceafill | buenos días jelkner! | 10:34 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, va a venir German? | 10:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, no idea, haven't talked to him since last week | 10:34 |
| jelkner | he emailed edzon, but we haven't heard from him since | 10:35 |
| jelkner | i'm going to need to email him again. | 10:35 |
| jelkner | regularity is a requirement | 10:35 |
| jelkner | he can't just appear whenever | 10:35 |
| replaceafill | ++++++++++++++++++++++1 | 10:35 |
| jelkner | that won't work for edzon | 10:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, let me know if you want me to give him a call | 10:36 |
| jelkner | and won't help nova web | 10:36 |
| jelkner | please do | 10:36 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, kk | 10:36 |
| jelkner | sunday is the best time to get things done | 10:36 |
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| jelkner | !remind | 10:37 |
| Big_Brother | Look into May First / People Link? (jelkner) | 10:37 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, he's on his way | 10:38 |
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| jelkner | Good morning, GFbot | 10:40 |
| GFbot | good day jelkner | 10:40 |
| jelkner | GFbot, zOnny and I got your email | 10:40 |
| jelkner | are you available today to work with him? | 10:41 |
| GFbot | jelkner: yes i am | 10:41 |
| jelkner | We have "Discuss Frank" as the first item on the agenda | 10:41 |
| jelkner | after a brief update | 10:41 |
| jelkner | the only real action item on that is getting GFbot and zOnny working together | 10:41 |
| jelkner | GFbot, did you ever get the info you need from replaceafill's place? | 10:46 |
| GFbot | what do you mean jelkner ? | 10:47 |
| jelkner | Several weeks back, when you were going to help zOnny with Frank setup, you told him the work you did was in San Salvador | 10:48 |
| jelkner | and you couldn't help him without it | 10:48 |
| GFbot | jelkner: oh yes, part of my work with "Events" was made in replaceafill's laptop | 10:49 |
| jelkner | so, do you have that now? | 10:50 |
| GFbot | jelkner: no, i dont | 10:50 |
| jelkner | we will need it, GFbot. what is the plan to get it? | 10:50 |
| jelkner | could replaceafill send it to you? | 10:51 |
| GFbot | well, i was thinking if replaceafill can send it to me via gmail | 10:51 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, any thoughts on this? | 10:52 |
| replaceafill | GFbot, i don't have the password to your account and your folder is encrypted | 10:52 |
| replaceafill | GFbot, if you're willing to share it i can look for any files you need | 10:52 |
| GFbot | replaceafill: sure | 10:53 |
| GFbot | replaceafill: i just send and email to you | 10:56 |
| Big_Brother | Look into May First / People Link? (jelkner) | 10:57 |
| zOnny | Hello Everyone ! | 10:57 |
| mjsir911 | *grumbles* it's drifting... | 10:58 |
| GFbot | hello there! | 10:59 |
| zOnny | well, let's jump into out list items | 10:59 |
| zOnny | *our | 10:59 |
| zOnny | First item | 10:59 |
| zOnny | Look into May First / People Link? (jelkner) | 11:00 |
| jelkner | ok, mr cole isn't here | 11:00 |
| jelkner | and i've asked him to look into this with me | 11:00 |
| jelkner | but just so everyone is aware, our friend micky metts asked me to join may first / people link | 11:00 |
| jelkner | https://mayfirst.org/en/ | 11:01 |
| jelkner | she is suggesting nova web development should join as an organization | 11:01 |
| jelkner | my plan is to explore what it has to offer (hopefully with ubuntourist's help) | 11:01 |
| jelkner | and then discuss this more fully when we have a better idea of what it offers and how it works | 11:02 |
| jelkner | ACTION is finished | 11:02 |
| zOnny | jelkner: great! | 11:02 |
| zOnny | jelkner: let us know how that goes | 11:02 |
| jelkner | will do, zOnny | 11:02 |
| zOnny | next item!!!!! | 11:03 |
| zOnny | Discuss, Frank(Helios) implementation(upgrade) for the AEA, ORA, and NEA | 11:03 |
| zOnny | organizations. (zOnny) | 11:03 |
| jelkner | can i go briefly on this, first, zOnny? | 11:03 |
| zOnny | jelkner: sure | 11:03 |
| jelkner | to provide context | 11:03 |
| jelkner | both aea, ora, and novalaciro are asking us to use libreorganize | 11:04 |
| jelkner | so we have real opportunity to develop it in an agile, customer centered way | 11:04 |
| jelkner | big vote coming up with aea | 11:04 |
| jelkner | ora has conducted 2 votes | 11:04 |
| jelkner | uses the forum regularly | 11:05 |
| jelkner | and needs an upgrade to latest frank | 11:05 |
| jelkner | and novalaciro is requesting a new feature they will pay zOnny for | 11:05 |
| jelkner | that will really get him into django development | 11:05 |
| jelkner | ACTION finished | 11:05 |
| zOnny | jelkner: right | 11:05 |
| GFbot | i have a question for you zOnny | 11:06 |
| zOnny | zOnny: in reference to the application, it is a good chance to me explore Django | 11:06 |
| zOnny | GFbot: yes ? | 11:06 |
| GFbot | what kind of "(Helios) implementation(upgrade)" | 11:06 |
| zOnny | GFbot: I was refering to Frank within the ORA | 11:07 |
| GFbot | zOnny: but, ora is using frank right? | 11:08 |
| zOnny | GFbot: not yet. | 11:08 |
| GFbot | zOnny: oh well. got it | 11:08 |
| zOnny | GFbot: replaceafill has updated me that NEA4OR NOVALACIRO, AEA and NOVAWEBDEV are using it | 11:09 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, what do you mean? | 11:09 |
| zOnny | GFbot: so far we are good to go with the AEA election | 11:09 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I mean that those instances are alaready using frank | 11:10 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, what do you mean by "frank" in this context? | 11:11 |
| replaceafill | i'd like to request to drop the name "frank" from our organizational discussions | 11:11 |
| replaceafill | and start referring to our product as libreorganize | 11:12 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: the new helios that you and GFbot have done | 11:12 |
| jelkner | +++1 | 11:12 |
| replaceafill | so far, we have 00000000000000000 libreorganize deployed | 11:12 |
| GFbot | replaceafill: 1+ | 11:12 |
| replaceafill | that's what we should aim to | 11:12 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: libreOrganize | 11:12 |
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| zOnny | !remind | 11:13 |
| replaceafill | so can we agree we have just incomplete libreorganize instances at this point? | 11:13 |
| jelkner | yes, we do | 11:13 |
| GFbot | replaceafill: i think thats it | 11:13 |
| zOnny | next item | 11:13 |
| zOnny | Talk about alternative forms of business for NWD (DG123) | 11:13 |
| jelkner | can i go first for context? | 11:14 |
| jelkner | since i talk to diego about this on a regular basis | 11:14 |
| zOnny | jelkner: go ahead | 11:14 |
| jelkner | so, we have the following goals: | 11:14 |
| jelkner | 1. run a democratic organization of worker owners | 11:15 |
| jelkner | 2. pay people regardless of immigration status | 11:15 |
| jelkner | 3. allow owners regardless of location | 11:16 |
| jelkner | as diego explained it to me | 11:16 |
| jelkner | our current s-corp status does not permit 2 and 3 | 11:16 |
| jelkner | so he has been looking into a new form that does | 11:16 |
| jelkner | DG123, correct me if i'm wrong | 11:16 |
| jelkner | but that's my understanding | 11:16 |
| jelkner | ACTION done. | 11:16 |
| DG123 | that's all correct | 11:17 |
| DG123 | right now, we are legally obligated to pay at least some money out as salary, which not everyone can receive | 11:17 |
| DG123 | however, as an LLC or LLP, we can pay out 100% of earnings as membership distributions. | 11:18 |
| DG123 | Also, we get to set the % that each member makes in our operating agreement, rather than as an S-corp where it is legally set in stone | 11:19 |
| DG123 | Another huge bonus is that international workers can also become owners | 11:19 |
| DG123 | So we can legally make them members of NWD, where as now we technically can't | 11:20 |
| jelkner | so, DG123, are there any down sides? | 11:20 |
| DG123 | yes, I have all this written up in a google doc titled "NWD's Transition from S corp to LLC or LLP notes" in our google drive | 11:20 |
| jelkner | can you make it public and paste a link here? | 11:21 |
| DG123 | sure | 11:21 |
| DG123 | there are not very man downsides, mostly just that the amount a member makes and the amount they are owed as a % of all that was made in a certain period of time won't always match up | 11:22 |
| DG123 | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1I_eNyS7Ngtg0Cl-_u5X_rEQ5RBuUslqXdgvVFyWVRjo/edit?usp=sharing | 11:22 |
| DG123 | there's the shareable link | 11:22 |
| jelkner | can we "fenagal" it to work? | 11:22 |
| jelkner | ok, can we agree to all read this and discuss it more next week? | 11:22 |
| jelkner | we can even email DG123 questions | 11:23 |
| jelkner | this is *really* important | 11:23 |
| DG123 | yes, that would take some fine crafting of our operating agreement, which is where the largest time investment would go | 11:23 |
| jelkner | it means being able to make replaceafill, GFbot, and nrcerna legal owners | 11:23 |
| DG123 | the operating agreement itself is very useful | 11:23 |
| jelkner | so the three of you should definitely talk this over by next week | 11:24 |
| jelkner | sound good? | 11:24 |
| jelkner | ACTION waits for replaceafill GFbot and nrcerna to nod ;-) | 11:25 |
| replaceafill | what do we need to discuss exactly? | 11:25 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, you will be entering into a legal agreement as owner of a business | 11:25 |
| jelkner | you should look over what that means | 11:25 |
| jelkner | and decide if you want to do it | 11:25 |
| replaceafill | i think we have discussed this before | 11:26 |
| jelkner | we have | 11:26 |
| replaceafill | i even thought nrcerna and i were already official at this point | 11:26 |
| jelkner | it looks like not | 11:26 |
| replaceafill | right | 11:26 |
| jelkner | i'm afraid our previous business manager didn't make this work right | 11:26 |
| jelkner | so that's why DG123 is working to fix it | 11:27 |
| replaceafill | great | 11:27 |
| jelkner | sorry, my friend | 11:27 |
| replaceafill | np, i'll talk to nrcerna and GFbot | 11:27 |
| jelkner | thanks | 11:27 |
| replaceafill | and we can pick it up next week | 11:27 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:27 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, just so you understand | 11:27 |
| jelkner | i think louie didn't do since it involves some pain for ubuntourist | 11:28 |
| jelkner | he gets paid a salary now | 11:28 |
| jelkner | easy for him on tax reporting | 11:28 |
| replaceafill | ah | 11:28 |
| jelkner | we can't do that if we become an llc | 11:28 |
| jelkner | he would need to take earnings like everyone else | 11:28 |
| replaceafill | right | 11:28 |
| ubuntourist | See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_in_Star_Trek#Fizzbin ;-) | 11:28 |
| replaceafill | i remember, sielibre was an llc | 11:29 |
| jelkner | ok next week | 11:29 |
| jelkner | first agenda item | 11:29 |
| zOnny | some volunteer to chair the meeting ? | 11:30 |
| mjsir911 | I won't be around for next week's meeting, so I won't be able to | 11:30 |
| jelkner | GFbot? | 11:30 |
| GFbot | zOnny: i would like to be | 11:30 |
| GFbot | yes | 11:30 |
| zOnny | cool | 11:30 |
| zOnny | ACTION drops the bag of gravel | 11:30 |
| jelkner | thanks, zOnny! | 11:31 |
| jelkner | see y'all next week | 11:31 |
| GFbot | zOnny: i sent an email to replaceafill | 11:31 |
| ubuntourist | !remind Chair for 2019.03.03: GFbot | 11:31 |
| Big_Brother | "Chair for 2019.03.03: GFbot" added to message queue | 11:31 |
| replaceafill | GFbot, check your IRC private messages | 11:32 |
| jelkner | !remind Discuss LLC plans | 11:32 |
| Big_Brother | "Discuss LLC plans" added to message queue | 11:32 |
| replaceafill | GFbot, i gave you access to the laptop through ssh | 11:32 |
| GFbot | cool | 11:33 |
| replaceafill | GFbot, can you try it now, i'd like to get going | 11:34 |
| replaceafill | and make sure you can access your files | 11:34 |
| GFbot | replaceafill: it works | 11:34 |
| replaceafill | GFbot, so you have everything you need? | 11:34 |
| zOnny | ACTION test out /me | 11:34 |
| replaceafill | GFbot, as i told you months ago, you should put your code in version control... | 11:34 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ^ | 11:34 |
| replaceafill | even experiments/snippets | 11:34 |
| GFbot | replaceafill: i need to find the file first | 11:35 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: ok | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | GFbot, if the ssh connection drops or you lose access, call me | 11:36 |
| GFbot | replaceafill: cool thnks | 11:37 |
| GFbot | replaceafill: i got it | 11:38 |
| replaceafill | GFbot, great | 11:38 |
| replaceafill | i'll leave the laptop on for a couple of hours just in case | 11:38 |
| GFbot | replaceafill: great | 11:39 |
| replaceafill | GFbot, zOnny anything else you need from me before i leave? | 11:39 |
| GFbot | zOnny: i have the file that we need | 11:39 |
| zOnny | GFbot: great | 11:39 |
| GFbot | replaceafill: i remember somthing about this script | 11:40 |
| GFbot | replaceafill: i think you need to see that event to make pricing working right? | 11:40 |
| replaceafill | GFbot, hm? | 11:40 |
| replaceafill | don't understand the question | 11:40 |
| replaceafill | feel free to switch to spanish if that makes it easier | 11:41 |
| GFbot | recuerda que cuando se hacia el evento. | 11:41 |
| replaceafill | zOnny habla español | 11:41 |
| GFbot | teniamos que recargar o ver el evento | 11:41 |
| GFbot | para hacer el pricing | 11:41 |
| GFbot | funcionar | 11:41 |
| GFbot | no se, si recuerda ese problema | 11:41 |
| replaceafill | mas o menos | 11:41 |
| GFbot | bueno, lo correre nuevamente | 11:42 |
| GFbot | para ver | 11:42 |
| GFbot | como funciona | 11:42 |
| GFbot | porque ya no recuerdo. | 11:42 |
| replaceafill | ok, tratá de explicarle a zOnny lo que sí recordás | 11:42 |
| replaceafill | y asegurate que entienda | 11:42 |
| GFbot | sí | 11:42 |
| GFbot | zOnny: i'll send you the script | 11:43 |
| replaceafill | ok, that's it for me | 11:43 |
| GFbot | replaceafill: thanks! | 11:43 |
| replaceafill | see you next week everybody! o/ | 11:43 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: see u | 11:43 |
| GFbot | see you | 11:44 |
| GFbot | zOnny: check your email | 11:45 |
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| GFbot | zOnny: i sent an email | 12:00 |
| GFbot | to you | 12:00 |
| zOnny | GFbot: ok | 12:03 |
| GFbot | zOnny: did you get it | 12:12 |
| GFbot | ? | 12:12 |
| GFbot | can you understand how it works? | 12:12 |
| zOnny | GFbot: ubunturist is helping me to backup postgress | 12:24 |
| zOnny | GFbot: I am struggling doing it | 12:24 |
| zOnny | GFbot: Do you know how to do that ? | 12:25 |
| GFbot | zOnny: backup postgress | 12:25 |
| GFbot | ? | 12:25 |
| zOnny | GFbot: yes | 12:26 |
| GFbot | zOnny: i was able to dumb | 12:30 |
| GFbot | db from tendenci | 12:30 |
| GFbot | creating json files | 12:30 |
| zOnny | GFbot: cool | 12:30 |
| zOnny | I cannot do it with postgresql | 12:31 |
| zOnny | would you want to help me with that ? | 12:31 |
| GFbot | zOnny: sure | 12:34 |
| zOnny | GFbot: cool | 12:35 |
| zOnny | GFbot: I am ready | 12:35 |
| GFbot | zOnny: what do you need to export | 12:35 |
| GFbot | zOnny: ? | 12:38 |
| GFbot | zOnny: https://coderwall.com/p/mvsoyg/django-dumpdata-and-loaddata | 12:43 |
| GFbot | if you don't i can explain to you | 12:43 |
| GFbot | how you could export every app you need | 12:43 |
| zOnny | GFbot: it works good for dbmysqlite3 | 12:56 |
| zOnny | GFbot: ubunturist just made it works | 12:59 |
| GFbot | zOnny: i remember that i did it | 13:00 |
| GFbot | for libreorganize theme base | 13:00 |
| GFbot | for tendenci11 | 13:00 |
| zOnny | GFbot: which commands did you type ? | 13:00 |
| GFbot | zOnny: give me a moment | 13:05 |
| GFbot | to review my last work | 13:05 |
| GFbot | zOnny: if you want to export navbar i used "../venv-testing/bin/python manage.py dumpdata navs.nav > navs.json" | 13:06 |
| GFbot | you can export everything you want | 13:08 |
| GFbot | boxes.box > box.json | 13:08 |
| GFbot | there are some arguments that you can you use to make a specific dumpdata | 13:08 |
| zOnny | GFbot: nice | 13:22 |
| GFbot | zOnny: anything else | 13:28 |
| GFbot | you need | 13:28 |
| GFbot | ? | 13:28 |
| zOnny | GFbot: yes | 13:32 |
| zOnny | GFbot: but we are leaving because of ubunturist has to leave | 13:33 |
| GFbot | zOnny: oh well | 13:37 |
| GFbot | you'll come back | 13:37 |
| GFbot | ? | 13:37 |
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