IRC log of #novawebdev for Tuesday, 2019-04-02

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replaceafillhello jelkner 10:29
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ubuntouristYawn10:33
ubuntouristCaffeine just not cutting it this morning. I haven't even made it to my morning torture yet.10:33
replaceafillhey ubuntourist 10:34
jelknerreplaceafill, pong10:34
jelknersorry10:34
replaceafilljelkner, np10:35
jelkneri just sent an email10:35
replaceafilljelkner, my initial reaction has been "i can't"10:36
replaceafilland i think that's the wise thing for me to do10:36
replaceafillbut i wanted your opinion and maybe you should be the one replying Senda not me10:37
jelkneri disagree10:37
jelknerthis is a discussion for nova web development10:37
jelknerthe contract is with the coop10:37
replaceafilli know that10:38
ubuntouristAs jelkner says, Gallaudet's where the "big money" has been so far. But I'm not about to take it back in more than an "advisory" capacity.10:38
replaceafilli'm saying "I - Douglas - can't work on this"10:38
jelkneri get that10:38
jelknerso we need to talk about this with kevin, edzon, german10:38
jelknerand figure out how nova web development could10:39
replaceafill+110:39
replaceafillso you're replying Senda, right?10:39
ubuntouristI want to know how quickly Senda's moving to another division, and who will be "liasing" in her place.10:39
jelknerubuntourist, we need your guidance on this10:39
jelknersince you know the internal workings (as you clearly stated in your emails)10:40
jelkneri can act as "business manager" in the sense of replying once the devs tell me "we got this covered"10:41
jelknerand i can setup the contract, working with diego, etc.10:41
ubuntouristjelkner, I will try to catch Senda in person on Friday and see if I can get clarification on what she wants.10:41
jelkner+110:41
jelknerlet's put this on our agenda for sunday10:41
ubuntouristreplaceafill, would you be available for advice / mentoring / thoughts on what you encountered last year?10:42
jelknerACTION is feeling nervous about how long replaceafill is taking to respond to this ;-)10:43
ubuntouristIf we do make it a team effort, as jelkner I have a general knowledge of the book and the old system that I designed. You've had some experience with "honkin' big" projects10:43
ubuntourist(you = replaceafill ) and have more up-to-date knowledge of Django as it exists today.10:44
jelknerand if we can bring edzon and german along for the ride10:44
jelknerthey could really grow their skills by working along side10:45
jelknerand we could earn money for them to live on10:45
replaceafillyou're the optimistic one jelkner 10:45
replaceafilland you'e usually right10:45
jelknerwell, replaceafill, we either take a chance or give up10:45
replaceafilli prefer to save any rants at this point10:45
jelkneri'm too stubborn and stupid to give up10:45
jelkneras well you know10:46
ubuntouristjelkner, That's kind of where I'm heading... My sense is that replaceafill currently also has the best sense of whether Edzon and German can handle it and how much support they might need from me and him.10:46
jelknerit worked out last time, replaceafill 10:46
jelkneryou got paid in full10:46
jelknerand it didn't kill you10:46
replaceafilli was focused 100%10:47
ubuntouristreplaceafill, he's usually right???? ;-)10:47
jelknerlol10:47
replaceafillthis time i can't commit, sorry10:47
jelknernot 100%10:47
jelknerbut what about supporting like ubuntourist asked?10:47
replaceafilland without an experienced lead developer i don't think you can design this in 4 months10:48
replaceafillsure, i still can answer questions10:48
jelknerkevin is an experienced lead developer10:48
jelknerhe is just feeling a bit intimidated by the scope10:49
jelknerwe should first of all find out what the budget is10:49
jelknerreplaceafill, it is crazy just to walk away10:49
ubuntouristreplaceafill, That's why I want to talk to Senda: When she says "design a database" does she really understand what she's saying? Or is she really saying "Enter new data into the existing system in a better way"10:50
replaceafilli've done more stupid things in my life my friend10:50
jelkneryou are essentially saying, "i don't want nova web development to succeed"10:50
replaceafillthis has got me thinking10:50
replaceafillmaybe it's time for me to go, really10:50
ubuntouristIf it's the later, then it may closer to Edzon's and German's skills. If it's the former, I agree with replaceafill. It's a big honkin' task.10:50
replaceafilli like to help Edzon and German, i really do10:50
replaceafillbut it's vey difficult doing it on a Sunday basis you know10:51
replaceafilllots of remembering you need to do10:51
replaceafillnot being sure where things are, etc10:51
jelknerso, replaceafill, those are big thoughts you are having10:52
jelknerand you know yourself10:52
jelknerso don't make a big decision in haste10:52
ubuntouristjelkner, Also, I'm a "one trick pony" I'm still on the Sound Advice project, and unlike you, my friend, I don't like to take on more than I can chew, and then say "I'm completely overbooked!"10:52
jelkneri hear you10:52
jelknerany member may want to leave the coop at any time10:52
replaceafillwise ubuntourist :)10:52
jelknerwe've talked a lot about that10:52
jelknerthe goal will be to scale up10:53
ubuntouristI still owe Brian a beer for his part in continuing to shepherd this project along a bit.10:53
replaceafill:)10:53
jelknerbut replaceafill, this is not the best time to pull the plug10:54
jelkneranyway, we don't have to answer now10:55
replaceafillyes, finding out more about their goals/budget would be helpful10:55
jelknerof course it would10:55
jelknerit's silly to make a decision without knowing that10:56
replaceafillcan you take care of communication with Senda without me?10:56
jelknerif the budget is sufficient we could hire help10:56
ubuntouristAs I ranted in e-mail, some of the problem will be the entrenched nature and lack of unified will to change procedures for the better -- without planning ahead a few years.10:59
replaceafillubuntourist, im not sure who's doing what Senda did last year10:59
ubuntouristSo, any "improvements" will be constrained by the structure already in place.11:00
replaceafillbut that's a required position in any workflow11:00
replaceafill(cleaning other's people mess)11:00
ubuntouristreplaceafill, Yeah from her message about moving to a different division, I want to know (a) did Chip finally drive her crazy or was it simply a better offer, and (b) who is Chip's next victim?11:01
replaceafill:D11:01
replaceafillfor the record, my working relationship with Gallaudet was 10/10 :P11:02
jelkner10/10?11:02
replaceafillagain, i was 100% committed11:02
replaceafilli mean, i can't complain11:02
ubuntouristjelkner, 10 out of 10.11:02
jelknerahh11:02
jelknerthat's great11:02
jelknerreplaceafill, can we hangout during lunch?11:02
jelkneror are you unavailable then?11:03
replaceafilllet me check your times again11:04
jelkner12:30 to 1:30 pm11:04
ubuntouristreplaceafill, Senda and most of the other folks in the department are okay. Especially Rue, who did her damnedest to tap down Chip's chaos. Fortunately, my sense of last year was that Chip interfered less than previous years.11:04
jelknermore like 12:40 pm11:04
replaceafilljelkner, 1 pm works for me11:04
jelknerperfect11:04
jelknerdo hangouts still work?11:05
replaceafilljelkner, yes11:05
jelknercool11:05
jelknerbtw. do you have whatsapp?11:05
jelknermy wife says that's how she calls folks in el salvador11:05
replaceafillnope11:05
jelkneri just got it on my phone since i needed11:05
ubuntouristI'm off to the elliptical / torture machine, then food -- a late breakfast -- and then getting ready for music lesson. I'll get a summary later if needed.11:06
ubuntouristBut, replaceafill quickly, before hanging up today:11:06
replaceafillubuntourist, :D11:06
ubuntouristreplaceafill, how quickly can we set up an instance of what was there when you left it, so that people can get their feet wet with the existing system in a sandbox?11:07
replaceafillthat'll be a problem for me11:08
replaceafilli lost most of my Gallaudet notes on december11:08
replaceafillbut i'm sure we can figure it out11:08
replaceafillit's a mess as you know11:08
replaceafillfor the record i lost all my data from oct-december because i'm stupid...11:09
ubuntouristreplaceafill, Sadly, yes, and sadly, I feel I contributed to it.11:09
replaceafillubuntourist, nah, it's software aging :)11:09
ubuntouristreplaceafill, developer aging.11:10
ubuntouristreplaceafill, and developer raging.11:10
replaceafill:))11:10
ubuntouristAnyway, since jelkner has to split for a bit, I'm calling it quits for now.11:11
replaceafillubuntourist, you still have access to that server, right?11:11
replaceafillubuntourist, sure11:11
replaceafillubuntourist, ttyl11:11
replaceafilli should go to work too :)11:12
ubuntouristreplaceafill, I *think* I have access... Haven't poked around on that in a while. (It REALLY needs to get reimaged so that the Red Hat updates work again.)11:12
ubuntouristACTION prepares for the daily assault11:13
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replaceafilljelkner, is now a good time?13:02
jelkneryes13:03
jelkneri have my headset on13:03
jelknerjust sent an invite13:03
replaceafilljelkner, https://novawebdevelopment.org/hangout13:04
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