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| DG123 | !remind Finishing and cleaning up the LLC Operating Agreement | 10:05 |
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| mjsir911 | lbolz: ya gotta change that password now, we all saw it | 10:25 |
| mjsir911 | I believe you put a space before the /msg ? | 10:25 |
| mjsir911 | /msg test | 10:25 |
| jelkner | Good morning, Doisaac! | 10:26 |
| jelkner | r u ready? | 10:26 |
| Doisaac | Good morning, Jeff | 10:26 |
| Doisaac | Yes | 10:26 |
| jelkner | Question, Doisaac, do you regularly see nrcerna? | 10:27 |
| Doisaac | no, only when mi grandma is invited | 10:28 |
| Doisaac | to her grandma hause | 10:28 |
| jelkner | ahh | 10:28 |
| Doisaac | of "nrcerna" | 10:28 |
| jelkner | we may need to change that | 10:28 |
| jelkner | i hope to talk with both of you today | 10:28 |
| Doisaac | For me is ok | 10:29 |
| jelkner | about what novawebdev needs you both to learn | 10:29 |
| jelkner | and working together might be more fun | 10:29 |
| Doisaac | Nice | 10:29 |
| Doisaac | but How? are you going to talk with her? | 10:30 |
| jelkner | we can meet here on irc | 10:30 |
| jelkner | i'm hoping she'll be at the meeting today | 10:30 |
| Doisaac | Oh Great! | 10:30 |
| jelkner | we can meet right afterwards | 10:30 |
| jelkner | let's see | 10:30 |
| jelkner | okie dokie | 10:30 |
| jelkner | let's jump in | 10:31 |
| jelkner | the next lesson has the most important "theory" in the course | 10:31 |
| jelkner | you'll be introduced to the DOM | 10:32 |
| jelkner | which stands for Document Object Model | 10:32 |
| jelkner | Doisaac, are you familiar with the idea of a tree in mathematics? | 10:32 |
| jelkner | kind of like a "family tree" | 10:33 |
| Doisaac | yes | 10:33 |
| jelkner | great | 10:33 |
| jelkner | the DOM is a mathematical tree | 10:33 |
| jelkner | oh, btw, i almost forgot, i'm supposed to quiz you ;-) | 10:34 |
| jelkner | what are the four basic selectors? | 10:34 |
| Doisaac | a | 10:34 |
| Doisaac | id | 10:34 |
| Doisaac | selector | 10:34 |
| Doisaac | class selector | 10:35 |
| Doisaac | style which is INTO the element | 10:35 |
| Doisaac | and the basic selector | 10:35 |
| Doisaac | which is inside of the tag "Style" | 10:35 |
| jelkner | so let me help a bit | 10:35 |
| jelkner | and i'll ask this same question again next week | 10:36 |
| jelkner | the four basic selectors are: | 10:36 |
| Doisaac | i forget group selectors | 10:36 |
| jelkner | 1. element selector (selects a single element) | 10:36 |
| jelkner | 2. group selectors (selects a group of elements | 10:36 |
| jelkner | and you got the other two: class and id selectors | 10:37 |
| jelkner | which use metadata (class and id attributes) to select elements | 10:37 |
| Doisaac | for class is a dot (.) | 10:37 |
| Doisaac | and for id is (#) | 10:38 |
| jelkner | yup | 10:38 |
| jelkner | good | 10:38 |
| jelkner | this terminology isn't standard | 10:38 |
| jelkner | but i find it really helpful | 10:38 |
| jelkner | i call "basic selectors" any selectors that don't require understanding the DOM | 10:38 |
| jelkner | the other selectors you will learn about select elements based on their relationship to other elements in the DOM | 10:39 |
| jelkner | so first, we need to look at the DOM | 10:39 |
| jelkner | that's what the next lesson is all about | 10:39 |
| jelkner | since we are remote, i can't do this the way i would in class | 10:39 |
| jelkner | so i'll ask you on your honor to try to follow the process | 10:40 |
| jelkner | i find it helps you get a feel for the dom | 10:40 |
| jelkner | so first read the lesson | 10:40 |
| jelkner | then when you do the exercises | 10:40 |
| jelkner | do them step by step | 10:40 |
| Doisaac | for see what it do it | 10:41 |
| jelkner | Doisaac, you have a smart phone, yes? | 10:41 |
| Doisaac | Yes | 10:41 |
| jelkner | cool | 10:41 |
| jelkner | we can do this the way i would like, then | 10:41 |
| jelkner | so, here is your task | 10:41 |
| jelkner | read the lesson text | 10:42 |
| jelkner | and complete exercises 1 to 5 | 10:42 |
| jelkner | *do not* do exercise 6 | 10:42 |
| Doisaac | i already do to 3 | 10:42 |
| jelkner | until you take a picture of exercise 5 | 10:42 |
| jelkner | and email it to me | 10:42 |
| jelkner | you have my email, yes? | 10:42 |
| Doisaac | Ok Yes | 10:43 |
| jelkner | cool | 10:43 |
| jelkner | do that whenever you can | 10:43 |
| jelkner | tomorrow is a holiday here | 10:43 |
| jelkner | so if you send it to me tomorrow | 10:43 |
| jelkner | i can email you back the same day | 10:43 |
| Doisaac | Oh ok tomorrow , Jeff i have a question | 10:43 |
| jelkner | shoot | 10:43 |
| Doisaac | a:link, a:visited { | 10:44 |
| Doisaac | font-weight: bold; | 10:44 |
| Doisaac | color: #000; | 10:44 |
| Doisaac | text-decoration: none; | 10:44 |
| Doisaac | example | 10:44 |
| Doisaac | in this case is Necessary type two times a ? | 10:44 |
| jelkner | i believe you can just type :visited | 10:45 |
| jelkner | that's a good question | 10:45 |
| Doisaac | footer a, footer a:visited { | 10:45 |
| Doisaac | color: #A50; | 10:45 |
| Doisaac | text-decoration: none; | 10:45 |
| Doisaac | padding: 10px; | 10:45 |
| Doisaac | border: 1px dashed #000; | 10:45 |
| Doisaac | } | 10:45 |
| Doisaac | in this case too | 10:45 |
| Doisaac | Oh ok Thanks | 10:45 |
| jelkner | so here we have a decedent selector | 10:46 |
| jelkner | let's talk about that in lesson 5 | 10:46 |
| jelkner | also, you can experiment with real examples and see how they work | 10:46 |
| Doisaac | Great | 10:46 |
| jelkner | the beautiful thing about learning tech like this is that it doesn't matter what i say | 10:46 |
| jelkner | it only matters what the browser does! | 10:47 |
| jelkner | so try stuff out | 10:47 |
| Doisaac | i see what you mean | 10:47 |
| jelkner | that's how you will become an expert over time | 10:47 |
| jelkner | ok, same time next week? | 10:47 |
| Doisaac | Sure (10:30 ) ur time | 10:48 |
| jelkner | +1 | 10:48 |
| jelkner | if you can, hang around until after our meeting | 10:48 |
| jelkner | to see if you, nrcerna and i can chat | 10:48 |
| Doisaac | great i will be around here | 10:48 |
| Doisaac | also, Thank you a lot . | 10:50 |
| jelkner | Thank you, Doisaac. This is fun! | 10:53 |
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| jelkner | Good morning, nrcerna! | 10:57 |
| nrcerna | Good Morning jelkner! | 10:58 |
| jelkner | can you, Doisaac and i have a short chat after our meeting? | 10:58 |
| nrcerna | Sure | 10:58 |
| jelkner | great | 10:58 |
| nrcerna | :) | 10:58 |
| DG123 | !remind Welcome lbolz | 10:59 |
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| nrcerna : Doisaac : @mjsir911 : lbolz : +jelkner : zOnny : @ubuntourist : DG123 : wolcen : @ChanServ | 11:00 | |
| Finishing and cleaning up the LLC Operating Agreement (DG123) | 11:00 | |
| Welcome lbolz (DG123) | 11:00 | |
| DG123 | Good morning everyone | 11:00 |
| jelkner | Good morning, DG123 | 11:00 |
| nrcerna | Good Morning! | 11:00 |
| DG123 | I'll be chairing this week | 11:01 |
| zOnny | Hello World! | 11:01 |
| DG123 | Let's start with the first agenda item and get an Update on ARA project (jelkner) | 11:01 |
| jelkner | Great, that's me | 11:01 |
| jelkner | in brief | 11:02 |
| jelkner | we had a very productive meeting on Friday with Gallaudet | 11:02 |
| jelkner | but the real big news around this project is that NOVA Web Development's original developer, Chris Hedrick, is back! | 11:02 |
| jelkner | he will be working with zOnny on this project | 11:02 |
| jelkner | zOnny and i met with him on thursday | 11:03 |
| jelkner | he is very interested in working with us again | 11:03 |
| jelkner | he has lots of django experience and will be huge help | 11:03 |
| jelkner | so, we are going to update the existing application for this year | 11:04 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist has dubbed it "RAGU" | 11:04 |
| jelkner | and they want us to rewrite it next year | 11:04 |
| jelkner | when we will have more time and they more budget | 11:04 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 11:04 |
| ubuntourist | I gave "history lesson" on the project, via e-mail, to those currently involved. RAGU = Research At Gallaudet University, BTW. | 11:04 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION done | 11:05 |
| DG123 | Alright sounds good | 11:05 |
| DG123 | Next agenda item, What NOVA Web Dev needs from our design specialists (Summer study plans) (jelkner) | 11:05 |
| jelkner | me again | 11:05 |
| jelkner | i'm going to meet with nrcerna and Doisaac after this meeting | 11:05 |
| jelkner | what i need to let everyone know here is that we have another PRIME intern for the month of july | 11:06 |
| jelkner | samantha | 11:06 |
| jelkner | who will be working for a month | 11:06 |
| jelkner | samantha is a graphic artist | 11:06 |
| jelkner | like our own nrcerna | 11:06 |
| jelkner | but zOnny and i met with her | 11:07 |
| jelkner | and discussed how she will probably want to learn html and css | 11:07 |
| jelkner | she agreed | 11:07 |
| jelkner | as we move forward | 11:07 |
| jelkner | we will need a few of our coop members to become "masters" of CSS design | 11:07 |
| jelkner | so they can work with our backend developers to make our web applications beautiful | 11:08 |
| jelkner | and user friendly | 11:08 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, that's going to be your task, yes? | 11:08 |
| nrcerna | Yes jelkner | 11:08 |
| jelkner | so, the good news is we have some other people for you to work with this summer | 11:08 |
| jelkner | ok, that's all i wanted to say on that | 11:09 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 11:09 |
| nrcerna | That's really Great | 11:09 |
| DG123 | Ok, so on to our third item | 11:09 |
| DG123 | Gather the PRIMES on June 9? (jelkner) | 11:09 |
| jelkner | this is a question for ubuntourist and zOnny mainly | 11:09 |
| jelkner | should we try to get the 2 primes to come to our sunday meeting on june 9? | 11:10 |
| jelkner | thoughts? | 11:10 |
| jelkner | can we fit them all in zOnny's car | 11:10 |
| jelkner | will gallaudet have a fit if they see so many novawebsters here at once? | 11:10 |
| ubuntourist | I don't know either of them but the space we're in now could accommodate two more than what we have now... | 11:11 |
| DG123 | In a pinch, I can drive | 11:11 |
| ubuntourist | ...possibly three. | 11:11 |
| jelkner | cool | 11:12 |
| jelkner | i'll reach out to them to see if they can make it | 11:12 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 11:12 |
| zOnny | jelkner: my car can carry seven passengers only | 11:12 |
| DG123 | Next item is mine | 11:13 |
| DG123 | It has to do with our transition to an LLC and how our operating agreement will be completed | 11:14 |
| DG123 | Over the week, jelkner cleaned up our draft and ubuntourist sent out instructions for the document signing process | 11:15 |
| jelkner | so, DG123, am i right in thinking we can't do our new accounting properly until we get our status right? | 11:15 |
| jelkner | i'm trying to understand the sequence that things have to happen in | 11:15 |
| DG123 | Correct, we should become an LLC before we do any major accounting changes like pilot | 11:15 |
| jelkner | ok | 11:15 |
| jelkner | that's what i thought | 11:15 |
| jelkner | so, we need to finish our agreement | 11:16 |
| jelkner | an digitally sign it, yes? | 11:16 |
| DG123 | Yes | 11:16 |
| jelkner | DG123, you and i can work on that today | 11:16 |
| jelkner | and then we can: | 11:16 |
| jelkner | 1. translate it into spanish | 11:16 |
| jelkner | 2. ask everyone to read it and sign it | 11:16 |
| DG123 | Yes, we'll work on the last few sections today | 11:17 |
| DG123 | ACTION done | 11:17 |
| ubuntourist | !remind | 11:17 |
| DG123 | And last but not least | 11:17 |
| DG123 | We're welcoming lbolz | 11:17 |
| jelkner | welcome, lbolz! | 11:17 |
| jelkner | and thank you, DG123 for remembering to put this on the agenda | 11:18 |
| zOnny | lbolz: Welcome | 11:18 |
| lbolz | Hello everyone! | 11:18 |
| nrcerna | Welcome, lbolz | 11:18 |
| DG123 | Welcome | 11:18 |
| jelkner | lbolz will be working with us all next year | 11:18 |
| ubuntourist | Hey. ;-) | 11:18 |
| ubuntourist | lbolz, my condolences. | 11:18 |
| jelkner | as part of what is called her "Senior Capstone experience" | 11:18 |
| jelkner | 10 hours per week | 11:19 |
| jelkner | i told her that if she can put up with ubuntourist's snide remarks | 11:19 |
| jelkner | any revenue that comes our way due to her work she can get paid for | 11:19 |
| jelkner | otherwise, she will be learning | 11:19 |
| jelkner | so, lbolz, welcome again! | 11:20 |
| ubuntourist | lbolz, your focus is the Liberia stuff, right? | 11:20 |
| lbolz | i think so? | 11:21 |
| jelkner | for today | 11:21 |
| jelkner | i should let everyone know | 11:21 |
| jelkner | lbolz has made it through 9 chapters of Test-Driven Development with Python | 11:21 |
| jelkner | she will be learning Django with us | 11:21 |
| zOnny | lbolz: great! | 11:22 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 11:22 |
| ubuntourist | Ah. To quote jelkner and Montgomery Burns of The Simpsons, "Excellent!" | 11:22 |
| zOnny | lbolz: we need backend devps :) | 11:23 |
| DG123 | Thank you everyone for the meeting | 11:23 |
| DG123 | Any chairs for next week? | 11:23 |
| zOnny | DG123: I will | 11:23 |
| jelkner | Excellent! | 11:24 |
| ubuntourist | !remind 2019.05.02 Chair: zOnny | 11:24 |
| "2019.05.02 Chair: zOnny" added to message queue | 11:24 | |
| jelkner | remember, zOnny, you should think about our agenda during the week and post some items | 11:24 |
| jelkner | great, everyone | 11:24 |
| jelkner | until next week then... | 11:24 |
| zOnny | jelkner: uhmmm ok | 11:24 |
| DG123 | ACTION drops the bag of gravel | 11:24 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, Doisaac, give me 10 minutes | 11:26 |
| nrcerna | Okay | 11:26 |
| jelkner | and can we chat briefly? | 11:26 |
| jelkner | Doisaac, still here? | 11:26 |
| jelkner | ACTION will brb | 11:26 |
| Doisaac | yes i here | 11:26 |
| zOnny | !remind | 11:26 |
| Doisaac | i'm here | 11:26 |
| Doisaac | Sure! | 11:27 |
| nrcerna | How are you Doisaac? | 11:27 |
| Doisaac | Hi! i 'm fine and You? | 11:28 |
| nrcerna | I didn't talk you since the last time in my Grandma's house | 11:28 |
| nrcerna | Nice, I'm fine too | 11:29 |
| Doisaac | Jaja Yes! | 11:29 |
| nrcerna | Did you try another flower as we did? | 11:29 |
| Doisaac | ajaj No i didn't | 11:29 |
| nrcerna | I mean create something like that | 11:29 |
| Doisaac | and you? | 11:29 |
| nrcerna | Me either | 11:30 |
| Doisaac | was difficult | 11:30 |
| nrcerna | Yes,it was. | 11:30 |
| jelkner | Doisaac, nrcerna, i am really lookikng forward to getting to Santa Ana! | 11:30 |
| Doisaac | but finally thanks to Douglas was very good | 11:30 |
| jelkner | by then, Doisaac will be finished with the basics of CSS | 11:31 |
| nrcerna | Yeii!! | 11:31 |
| jelkner | and i am hoping that by the time we finish our summer sprint | 11:31 |
| jelkner | you two will have a lot more skills and a good working relationship | 11:31 |
| jelkner | that's all i wanted to say | 11:31 |
| jelkner | you can do so much with CSS these days, nrcerna | 11:32 |
| jelkner | it is a wonderful tool | 11:32 |
| jelkner | for design | 11:32 |
| jelkner | and we need it badly | 11:32 |
| jelkner | CSS supports layout, styling, and animation | 11:33 |
| nrcerna | I know, I really tried to involve with CSS, but I think its kind of difficult to me with all the stuffs around. I think this summer I can lead a lot from you | 11:33 |
| jelkner | well i can point you in the right direction | 11:33 |
| jelkner | but you will need to become a much better designer than i am | 11:33 |
| nrcerna | It will be easier we are together and I can ask somethings | 11:33 |
| jelkner | yes, working together will be a big help to all of us | 11:34 |
| nrcerna | Yes | 11:34 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, you graduated, yes? | 11:34 |
| nrcerna | Not yet | 11:34 |
| jelkner | when? | 11:34 |
| nrcerna | Im going to be free I mean 'Egresada' (I don't know how to say it) | 11:35 |
| jelkner | graduated | 11:35 |
| jelkner | when? | 11:35 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, still there? | 11:36 |
| nrcerna | 10 of June | 11:36 |
| jelkner | excellent | 11:36 |
| jelkner | ok, so by summer you will be egresada | 11:36 |
| Doisaac | Congratulations ! | 11:36 |
| nrcerna | And the all the other stuff to get the university papers until the next year | 11:37 |
| jelkner | so i have a proposal for the two of you | 11:37 |
| nrcerna | On june | 11:37 |
| jelkner | https://www.ciwcertified.com/ciw-certifications/web-and-mobile-design-series/advanced-html5-and-css3-specialist | 11:37 |
| jelkner | i can get you both access to this curriculum | 11:37 |
| jelkner | and you could work through it together over the summer sprint | 11:38 |
| jelkner | what do you think? | 11:38 |
| nrcerna | OK, I'm going to check | 11:38 |
| jelkner | what are you going to check, nrcerna? | 11:39 |
| nrcerna | The link | 11:39 |
| nrcerna | I just did | 11:40 |
| nrcerna | :) | 11:40 |
| jelkner | okie dokie | 11:40 |
| nrcerna | I think, it a great opportunity | 11:40 |
| jelkner | Doisaac, will you have time during the summer? | 11:40 |
| jelkner | this is what i use with my web design 2 students | 11:40 |
| jelkner | it's good, and maps well with what we need for our coop | 11:41 |
| Doisaac | what dates if for you summer? | 11:41 |
| jelkner | great question, Doisaac | 11:41 |
| jelkner | hold on... | 11:41 |
| jelkner | july 10 to august 8 | 11:42 |
| jelkner | those are the days i will be staying at GFbot's place | 11:43 |
| jelkner | and working all day to learn Django | 11:43 |
| Doisaac | every sundays, and from 26 to 28 of july | 11:43 |
| Doisaac | and 1 from 6 of augost | 11:43 |
| Doisaac | august | 11:43 |
| jelkner | i will be there sunday through thursday | 11:43 |
| jelkner | maybe even friday and saturday too | 11:43 |
| jelkner | but if my family wants me to visit | 11:44 |
| jelkner | it will have to be friday or saturday | 11:44 |
| jelkner | since sunday, monday, tuesday, wednesday, and thursday it will be work, work, work | 11:44 |
| jelkner | that's the plan | 11:44 |
| jelkner | anyway, DG123 is waiting for me to work with him on our membership agreement | 11:45 |
| Doisaac | after 3 saturdays | 11:45 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, you and GFbot will need to sign that | 11:45 |
| jelkner | so we need to finish it today | 11:45 |
| Doisaac | i will have saturday evining free | 11:45 |
| jelkner | cool | 11:45 |
| jelkner | Doisaac, you can join us when you can | 11:45 |
| nrcerna | OK, jelkner | 11:45 |
| jelkner | now you know our schedule | 11:46 |
| jelkner | hasta la proximo domingo entonces | 11:46 |
| nrcerna | Yes I, thanks for that | 11:46 |
| Doisaac | Oh ok thank you | 11:46 |
| nrcerna | See you next week | 11:46 |
| jelkner | Doisaac, send me the screenshot by tomorrow if you can | 11:47 |
| jelkner | and i'll email you back | 11:47 |
| Doisaac | oh | 11:47 |
| Doisaac | i have to say something | 11:47 |
| jelkner | shoot | 11:47 |
| jelkner | but quick, DG123 is waiting | 11:47 |
| Doisaac | could i send you today at night | 11:47 |
| Doisaac | because tomorrow | 11:47 |
| jelkner | of course | 11:47 |
| Doisaac | is a school day "all" for me | 11:47 |
| jelkner | sure | 11:47 |
| jelkner | today is great | 11:47 |
| jelkner | but i won't reply until tomorrow | 11:48 |
| Doisaac | Great Thank you, Jeff | 11:48 |
| jelkner | email is asynchronous | 11:48 |
| jelkner | that's what i like about it | 11:48 |
| jelkner | later, my friends | 11:48 |
| Doisaac | Nice | 11:48 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off for the day | 11:48 |
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