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| zOnny | !remind Gallaudet contract for next meeting on Friday | 10:17 |
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| zOnny | !remind report of ARA project | 10:18 |
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| zOnny | !remind report of realacademy website | 10:18 |
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| jelkner | DG123, i'm just looking now | 10:25 |
| jelkner | but first glance looks promising | 10:26 |
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| jelkner | there is a directory named "Contracts" | 10:26 |
| jelkner | with a subdirectory named "Gallaudet" | 10:26 |
| DG123 | yes, looks like we have pretty good templates to work on | 10:26 |
| jelkner | DG123, did you get a chance to look in there? | 10:26 |
| jelkner | Good morning, Doisaac! | 10:27 |
| DG123 | jelkner, I did, and it looks like there's really not too much to change | 10:27 |
| jelkner | ready to start? | 10:27 |
| jelkner | sweet! | 10:27 |
| Doisaac | Good Morning, Jeff, Sure | 10:27 |
| jelkner | let's talk about that after i finish with Doisaac | 10:27 |
| jelkner | So, Doisaac, did you see my last response? | 10:28 |
| Doisaac | Yes Jeff | 10:28 |
| jelkner | and the webskills3.html i put in your home directory | 10:28 |
| Doisaac | you add <li> | 10:28 |
| jelkner | yes, and i removed metadata | 10:28 |
| jelkner | that's even more important | 10:28 |
| jelkner | since the goal of this exercise is to understand what the DOM, data, and metadata are | 10:29 |
| Doisaac | could you give an example of metadata? | 10:29 |
| Doisaac | oh | 10:29 |
| jelkner | lang="es" | 10:29 |
| jelkner | that is metadata | 10:29 |
| jelkner | some elements have required metadata | 10:29 |
| jelkner | img | 10:29 |
| jelkner | a | 10:29 |
| jelkner | a without href="..." is rather useless | 10:30 |
| jelkner | so that is an element with required metadata | 10:30 |
| jelkner | the img element is another | 10:30 |
| jelkner | without src="..." you don't see an image | 10:30 |
| jelkner | does that make sense? | 10:30 |
| Doisaac | Yes it does , Great! | 10:31 |
| jelkner | so here is your homework | 10:31 |
| jelkner | do a bit of reading (and please use Spanish sources too) on those three vocabulary words: DOM (Document Object Model), data, and metadata | 10:31 |
| jelkner | you can also move on to the next lesson | 10:32 |
| jelkner | Lesson 5: Advanced Selectors | 10:32 |
| Doisaac | So " find information of what data and metadata is," | 10:32 |
| jelkner | yes | 10:33 |
| Doisaac | Lesson 5 is done i think | 10:33 |
| jelkner | and read about the DOM | 10:33 |
| jelkner | cool | 10:33 |
| Doisaac | oh and DOM ok | 10:33 |
| jelkner | so, what are the 4 basic selectors? | 10:33 |
| Doisaac | element selector | 10:34 |
| Doisaac | group selector | 10:34 |
| jelkner | two more... | 10:34 |
| Doisaac | id selector | 10:34 |
| Doisaac | and | 10:34 |
| Doisaac | class | 10:34 |
| Doisaac | i think | 10:34 |
| jelkner | perfect | 10:34 |
| Doisaac | class selector | 10:34 |
| jelkner | which two of those require metadata to use? | 10:35 |
| Doisaac | class selector and id selector? | 10:35 |
| jelkner | yup | 10:35 |
| jelkner | muy bien | 10:35 |
| Doisaac | the metadata of these are | 10:35 |
| jelkner | do you know the difference in usage between id and class selectors? | 10:35 |
| Doisaac | in id | 10:36 |
| Doisaac | you have to put # in "style" | 10:36 |
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| jelkner | yes, and class uses . | 10:36 |
| jelkner | but i mean something else | 10:36 |
| Doisaac | class uses . and the name | 10:36 |
| Doisaac | you typed | 10:37 |
| jelkner | an id selector is supposed to be "unico" | 10:37 |
| Doisaac | what it mean= | 10:37 |
| jelkner | only a single element should have a given id | 10:37 |
| Doisaac | oh... | 10:37 |
| jelkner | id "identifies" that element uniquely | 10:37 |
| jelkner | whereas class is a type | 10:37 |
| jelkner | so lots of elements can have the same class | 10:37 |
| Doisaac | and with class i can put it in more element | 10:38 |
| Doisaac | s | 10:38 |
| jelkner | yes | 10:38 |
| Doisaac | Great! | 10:38 |
| jelkner | cool | 10:38 |
| Doisaac | This is so Great | 10:38 |
| jelkner | so same time next week? | 10:38 |
| Doisaac | learn more anytime more | 10:38 |
| Doisaac | Yes | 10:38 |
| jelkner | i'm going to ask you to describe some of the "advanced selectors" | 10:38 |
| jelkner | and how they relate to the DOM | 10:38 |
| jelkner | muy bien, amigo | 10:39 |
| Doisaac | is when you type > | 10:39 |
| Doisaac | no? | 10:39 |
| jelkner | hasta el proximo domingo | 10:39 |
| Doisaac | bye | 10:39 |
| Doisaac | see you | 10:39 |
| jelkner | that is a child selector | 10:39 |
| jelkner | one of them | 10:39 |
| jelkner | more about that next week | 10:40 |
| Doisaac | Cool , Thank you a lot | 10:40 |
| jelkner | read over the lesson again and try to memorize those | 10:40 |
| Doisaac | have a nice day | 10:40 |
| jelkner | thank you! | 10:40 |
| Doisaac | Cool | 10:40 |
| jelkner | this is fun! | 10:40 |
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| nrcerna : GFbot : DG123 : @ubuntourist : +jelkner : @mjsir911 : zOnny : wolcen : @ChanServ | 11:00 | |
| report of realacademy website (zOnny) | 11:00 | |
| zOnny | Hello Everyone! | 11:00 |
| DG123 | Good morning | 11:00 |
| mjsir911 | good morning | 11:00 |
| nrcerna | Good Morning | 11:00 |
| jelkner | Good morning! | 11:00 |
| GFbot | Hello | 11:00 |
| zOnny | let's start with the agenda's items | 11:00 |
| zOnny | first item: Gallaudet contract for next meeting on Friday | 11:01 |
| zOnny | I think this is a work in progress for DG123 and jelkner | 11:01 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:01 |
| jelkner | and we will work on it today | 11:01 |
| zOnny | I just want to check that we are going to be ready for the next meeting | 11:01 |
| DG123 | It's coming along well so far | 11:02 |
| jelkner | sunday meetings are super important | 11:02 |
| jelkner | since as ubuntourist, zOnny, and i were just discussing | 11:02 |
| jelkner | we need a clear plan on what to do for our customer | 11:02 |
| jelkner | within their limited budget | 11:02 |
| zOnny | jelkner: correct | 11:03 |
| jelkner | GFbot, we may need your help reaching out to your uncle | 11:03 |
| zOnny | jelkner: be in the same page is really important | 11:03 |
| jelkner | since we basically need to get what he did last year working again | 11:03 |
| GFbot | Sure | 11:03 |
| jelkner | and we want to do it with as little pain as possible | 11:03 |
| ubuntourist | (For those of you who want to look at the current system, warts and all, see https://research.gallaudet.edu/ara That doesn't get you to the editing interface, but you can browse.) | 11:03 |
| jelkner | good move putting that in the meeting notes, ubuntourist | 11:04 |
| zOnny | I think that's it for this item | 11:04 |
| zOnny | next item | 11:04 |
| zOnny | report of ARA project | 11:04 |
| zOnny | Chris nad I have been working on it | 11:05 |
| jelkner | btw, it is now RAGU | 11:05 |
| jelkner | not ARA | 11:05 |
| zOnny | having the old django version is our first task | 11:05 |
| zOnny | there is progress after all | 11:06 |
| zOnny | we are going to need help from ubuntourist as a consultant | 11:06 |
| jelkner | and from replacefill to answer *clearly* stated questions | 11:07 |
| jelkner | he is willing to do that | 11:07 |
| zOnny | jelkner: correct | 11:07 |
| jelkner | but you need to frame clear questions | 11:07 |
| jelkner | by email | 11:07 |
| jelkner | he doesn't want to get dragged into this as a participant | 11:07 |
| jelkner | but he will answer questions | 11:07 |
| jelkner | that's my understanding | 11:07 |
| zOnny | jelkner: I will in reference to what needs to be done or what he did last year | 11:07 |
| ubuntourist | The simple user story (from my perspective) is that the Research Support and International Affairs (RSIA) department needs to collect project descriptions | 11:08 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:08 |
| ubuntourist | from researchers across campus, and generate a chapter of a book (e.g. https://research.gallaudet.edu/resources/ragu/book/2016/) hopefully by October 1. | 11:08 |
| ubuntourist | They have to collect the information after faculty return from summer vacation. | 11:09 |
| jelkner | so it must be ready by mid august! | 11:09 |
| jelkner | that is crucial | 11:09 |
| ubuntourist | So, a working system by mid August, and roughly a month to collect data, edit it, and format it for the book. | 11:10 |
| zOnny | ubuntourist: that really helps | 11:10 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION is done | 11:10 |
| jelkner | ACTION is done | 11:10 |
| zOnny | alright | 11:10 |
| zOnny | next item | 11:10 |
| zOnny | report of realacademy website | 11:11 |
| zOnny | this is a working project from GFbot and I | 11:11 |
| zOnny | so far our customer doesn't have any complains | 11:12 |
| jelkner | which is very important | 11:12 |
| jelkner | since this is a potential long term relationship if we do well | 11:13 |
| zOnny | this customer is asking for other features like G suite | 11:13 |
| jelkner | lena is working on that | 11:13 |
| zOnny | which Lena is working onm | 11:13 |
| zOnny | *on | 11:13 |
| jelkner | not our core business | 11:13 |
| ubuntourist | G Suite = Google Suite? | 11:13 |
| zOnny | right | 11:13 |
| jelkner | so we need to avoid getting pulled too far from our plan | 11:13 |
| GFbot | Oh | 11:14 |
| jelkner | but things like this are a great opportunity for interns | 11:14 |
| jelkner | since it is basically just following complicated instructions | 11:14 |
| zOnny | this project will include school tool, G suite, and Tendenci | 11:14 |
| jelkner | School Tool lives! ;-) | 11:15 |
| zOnny | another thing that we need to clear is the team work | 11:15 |
| jelkner | SchoolTool, i mean | 11:16 |
| zOnny | GFbot: I know u wanted to work on Lee's website | 11:16 |
| jelkner | lee's website won't take 40 hours a week | 11:16 |
| GFbot | Right | 11:16 |
| zOnny | jelkner: right | 11:17 |
| zOnny | I think that's it from our agenda | 11:17 |
| GFbot | I need to work with z0nny on the real academy since i wasnt able last week | 11:17 |
| zOnny | there is someone else would like to share something else | 11:18 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:18 |
| mjsir911 | I have a request.. | 11:18 |
| zOnny | mjsir911: go for it | 11:18 |
| mjsir911 | Could we try to keep the irc channel to novawebdev related things? Recently we've started bringing over non-novawebdev stuff and it's been distracting and adds a lot of noise to the irc logs | 11:18 |
| jelkner | you must be addressing this to me, mjsir911 | 11:19 |
| zOnny | mjsir911: I am confused :S | 11:19 |
| mjsir911 | Well, yes. But it goes for everyone | 11:19 |
| jelkner | are you referring to the pre meeting tutoring sessions | 11:19 |
| jelkner | ? | 11:20 |
| mjsir911 | Correct | 11:20 |
| mjsir911 | reference: http://irclogs.novawebdevelopment.org/2019-06-02.log.html#t10:27:19 | 11:20 |
| jelkner | if so, i will of course respect the will of the majority | 11:20 |
| zOnny | mjsir911: I got it :) | 11:20 |
| jelkner | but i will make the case that those are nova web development related | 11:20 |
| jelkner | i am responsible for training our future members | 11:20 |
| jelkner | we will be doing even more of that over the summer | 11:20 |
| jelkner | the PRIMES, who are here next week | 11:21 |
| jelkner | will be learning | 11:21 |
| jelkner | and we will be meeting here to manage that process | 11:21 |
| jelkner | nrcerna will be working with Samanatha learning the very thing that Doisac is learning | 11:21 |
| jelkner | having logs helps that process | 11:22 |
| jelkner | what is the downside? | 11:22 |
| jelkner | i'm not sure i understand that | 11:22 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911, (FYI, I made the same suggestion last week.) | 11:22 |
| jelkner | and i made the same response | 11:23 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911, (And jelkner made the same argument) | 11:23 |
| mjsir911 | I see, this all makes sense | 11:23 |
| jelkner | is there a downside, mjsir911? | 11:23 |
| mjsir911 | It justs a matter of signal v noise, I don't want it to become not worth going through the large irc logs | 11:23 |
| jelkner | i don't understand | 11:23 |
| jelkner | hmmm | 11:23 |
| jelkner | the logs have times | 11:23 |
| jelkner | they are pretty easy to go through | 11:23 |
| nrcerna | Maybe they asked to keep all this learn stuff in other channel? | 11:23 |
| jelkner | should we have two channels? | 11:24 |
| jelkner | i'd be game for that | 11:24 |
| jelkner | if mjsir911 wants to setup big brother for that one too | 11:24 |
| mjsir911 | That works for me, I'll set it up | 11:24 |
| zOnny | nrcerna: 1+ | 11:24 |
| mjsir911 | I can set up #novawebdev.learn or something like that | 11:25 |
| ubuntourist | +1 | 11:25 |
| zOnny | mjsir911: +1 | 11:25 |
| nrcerna | +1 | 11:25 |
| jelkner | mjsir911, can you have that by next week? | 11:25 |
| mjsir911 | yeah, will do | 11:25 |
| jelkner | since that's when are PRIMES are coming for orientation | 11:25 |
| jelkner | it would be nice to start them off with the workflow we want to use all july | 11:26 |
| jelkner | sweet | 11:26 |
| zOnny | alright | 11:26 |
| zOnny | that is progress :) | 11:26 |
| zOnny | there is someone else ? | 11:26 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, GFbot can you stay around for a few minutes after? | 11:27 |
| nrcerna | Sure | 11:27 |
| GFbot | Yep | 11:27 |
| zOnny | who is willing to chair for the next meeting ? | 11:27 |
| ubuntourist | Reluctantly, me. ;-) | 11:28 |
| zOnny | ubuntourist: great! | 11:28 |
| ubuntourist | !remind 2019.06.09 Chair = ubuntourist | 11:28 |
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| zOnny | should I be the one who put it to the agenda? | 11:28 |
| zOnny | jelkner: Thx! | 11:28 |
| zOnny | ACTION drops the bag of gravel | 11:29 |
| jelkner | talk to you all next week | 11:29 |
| jelkner | we will have the summer interns here | 11:29 |
| jelkner | that will be the focus of the meeting | 11:29 |
| zOnny | right on time :) | 11:29 |
| jelkner | orienting them | 11:29 |
| jelkner | lol | 11:29 |
| nrcerna | :) | 11:30 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, GFbot, i just wanted to chat a minute about our summer goals | 11:30 |
| nrcerna | Go for it | 11:30 |
| GFbot | Yes | 11:30 |
| jelkner | not the technical ones, the social / organizational goals | 11:30 |
| jelkner | i have watched zOnny grow into a full "owner" of this coop | 11:30 |
| jelkner | which has been great to see | 11:30 |
| jelkner | i feel that team guanaco, in part because you are physically remote | 11:31 |
| jelkner | have still not become fully functioning members of a cooperative | 11:31 |
| jelkner | so we need to talk a lot about that while i'm there | 11:31 |
| nrcerna | I agreed | 11:32 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, when is your last day at school? | 11:32 |
| nrcerna | I agree * | 11:32 |
| jelkner | super | 11:32 |
| jelkner | i'm asking because i wanted to know when you can start full time with us | 11:32 |
| jelkner | you said it is this month sometime, yes? | 11:32 |
| nrcerna | June 10th,but I just need to go to San Salvador the 27th, it's about the final work I'm going to show | 11:33 |
| nrcerna | My portfolio | 11:33 |
| jelkner | so we say you start full time july 1? | 11:33 |
| jelkner | we will want to budget and plan for this, that's why i'm asking | 11:33 |
| nrcerna | I can start July 1 | 11:34 |
| jelkner | perfect | 11:34 |
| jelkner | between now and then you need to focus on graduating | 11:34 |
| jelkner | and we should just do enough planning to be ready for july 1 | 11:34 |
| jelkner | part of that planning will be done next sunday | 11:34 |
| nrcerna | Okay, sounds good to me | 11:35 |
| jelkner | we have samantha, a PRIME intern with a background in graphic design | 11:35 |
| jelkner | so i am hoping she will work closely with you | 11:35 |
| nrcerna | Nice I would love to see her work :) | 11:35 |
| jelkner | we were talking on the way over here | 11:35 |
| jelkner | about what a good goal for the two interns should be | 11:35 |
| jelkner | we had talked about having them work on "The LibreOrganize Book" | 11:36 |
| GFbot | That's good | 11:36 |
| jelkner | the problem is that LibreOrganize isn't ready to document | 11:36 |
| nrcerna | Great! | 11:36 |
| jelkner | but then we thought, what if we write the documentation first? | 11:36 |
| nrcerna | Oh, | 11:36 |
| jelkner | in other words, we write documentation for the application we want | 11:37 |
| jelkner | not the one we have | 11:37 |
| jelkner | so you as designers would be in the lead | 11:37 |
| nrcerna | That sound like the last time we worked with GFbot together | 11:37 |
| jelkner | the rest of us would strive to develop the application you descibe | 11:37 |
| jelkner | exactly | 11:37 |
| jelkner | that's what gave me the idea | 11:37 |
| jelkner | we want to do what you and GFbot did for 2 days | 11:37 |
| jelkner | but do it much deep and for a month | 11:38 |
| jelkner | so we leave with a pretty solid vision of where we want to go | 11:38 |
| jelkner | does that make sense? | 11:38 |
| nrcerna | I love the idea, I know German does too | 11:38 |
| jelkner | sweet | 11:38 |
| jelkner | let's do it! | 11:38 |
| jelkner | ok, that's all i had | 11:38 |
| jelkner | thanks | 11:38 |
| nrcerna | You're in GFbot? | 11:38 |
| GFbot | ;) | 11:39 |
| nrcerna | :) I hope so | 11:39 |
| GFbot | Yes i am | 11:39 |
| jelkner | awesome | 11:39 |
| jelkner | okie dokie | 11:39 |
| nrcerna | Thanks to you jelkner | 11:39 |
| jelkner | hasta next domingo | 11:39 |
| jelkner | thank you | 11:39 |
| GFbot | See you then | 11:39 |
| nrcerna | See you! | 11:39 |
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| mjsir911 | test | 12:01 |
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