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| nrcerna | GM jelkner | 08:07 |
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| jelkner | GM nrcerna! | 08:15 |
| nrcerna | How are you? jelkner | 08:15 |
| jelkner | I'm well, nrcerna, how about you? | 08:16 |
| nrcerna | Good to know, I'm fine :D thanks for askking jelkner | 08:16 |
| nrcerna | any news from Kevin? jelkner | 08:16 |
| jelkner | Sure. | 08:17 |
| jelkner | He wrote back to Gallaudet | 08:17 |
| jelkner | things are looking good | 08:17 |
| jelkner | i'm hoping we can catch up on that today | 08:17 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, did you see my last email to you? | 08:17 |
| jelkner | can you see if you can make a spreadsheet with all our current customers who have hosting with us | 08:18 |
| jelkner | and when they were last billed? | 08:18 |
| nrcerna | the one from 3 days ago right? jelkner | 08:18 |
| jelkner | no, from this morning | 08:18 |
| jelkner | i sent several | 08:18 |
| jelkner | i'm at HacDC already | 08:18 |
| jelkner | i sent the linode invoice to everyone | 08:19 |
| nrcerna | ah, the one you sent to everyone | 08:19 |
| jelkner | i sent two | 08:19 |
| nrcerna | Yes, I was reading that | 08:19 |
| jelkner | but one of them asks you about the list | 08:19 |
| jelkner | i am happy to take over that responsibility | 08:19 |
| jelkner | of sending invoiced and updating the spreadsheet, i mean | 08:19 |
| jelkner | if you can get it ready for me | 08:19 |
| jelkner | i don't have the time to gather the info | 08:20 |
| nrcerna | Sure jelkner | 08:20 |
| nrcerna | I'm going to do it | 08:20 |
| jelkner | Thanks, nrcerna, that would be a big help to us! | 08:23 |
| nrcerna | :) | 08:23 |
| nrcerna | jelkner one question: Since today the time has change there, our meeting is going to be at 9 or 10 here? | 08:32 |
| nrcerna | jelkner? | 08:44 |
| jelkner | i'm here, nrcerna | 09:02 |
| jelkner | i'm grading | 09:02 |
| jelkner | so i get focused | 09:02 |
| jelkner | we meet at 11 EST | 09:02 |
| jelkner | with is in 2 hours | 09:02 |
| jelkner | it is 9 am now | 09:02 |
| jelkner | so it will be 10 your time, right? | 09:03 |
| nrcerna | Yes, but I received a email from Kevin, about the time. is 8 am here | 09:03 |
| nrcerna | So the meeting for Team Guanaco is going to start at 10 am jelkner | 09:04 |
| nrcerna | 11 am EST | 09:04 |
| jelkner | perfect | 09:05 |
| jelkner | that's better for GFbot, right nrcerna? | 09:05 |
| jelkner | since he can sleep an hour later ;-) | 09:05 |
| nrcerna | jajajja Yes jelkner | 09:05 |
| jelkner | this is a big week, nrcerna | 09:06 |
| jelkner | tuesday | 09:06 |
| nrcerna | I know :) jelkner | 09:06 |
| jelkner | Bernie Sanders is going to Prince William County today to help make phone calls for Lee Carter, Elizabeth Guzman, and the other progressive democrates there | 09:07 |
| nrcerna | Hey that's great! | 09:07 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, i got a call yesterday from someone at the Our Revolution national office | 09:07 |
| jelkner | they want to help us form a state wide Our Revolution group in Virginia | 09:08 |
| jelkner | we need to move forward on LibreOrganize, nrcerna | 09:08 |
| jelkner | if we want folks to use it | 09:08 |
| jelkner | we don't want the train to leave the station without us :-( | 09:08 |
| jelkner | i know what we are trying to do is *really* hard | 09:09 |
| jelkner | make big changes on a tiny budget | 09:09 |
| jelkner | but we need to keep trying | 09:09 |
| nrcerna | Yes jelkner ;) we are on it. I mean, this week GFbot is going to see how to make it billingual, if we have that we can say that we got LO v.02 | 09:09 |
| jelkner | +1 | 09:09 |
| jelkner | then we can work on ORA | 09:09 |
| jelkner | the timing will be good | 09:10 |
| nrcerna | I thought NOVALACIRO where first jelkner | 09:10 |
| jelkner | yes, i mean after novalaciro | 09:10 |
| nrcerna | Ok, we are on the same page | 09:10 |
| jelkner | in fact, maybe we could get stefan to work with heylin on novalaciro | 09:11 |
| jelkner | and ask GFbot to move on to ORA | 09:11 |
| jelkner | what do you think? | 09:11 |
| nrcerna | Yes I already started homepage design, so Stefan can work on building it jelkner | 09:11 |
| jelkner | heylin will be here at 11, btw | 09:11 |
| jelkner | excellent! | 09:12 |
| jelkner | ok, let me grade until folks arrive | 09:12 |
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| nrcerna | I just shared with you the Linodes spreadsheet jelkner | 09:48 |
| nrcerna | ACTION Getting reade | 10:15 |
| nrcerna | ACTION Getting ready to go to GFbots Place | 10:15 |
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| ubuntourist | !remind | 10:53 |
| ubuntourist | !remind NWD site cleanup and / or documentation? I need info. | 10:56 |
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| nrcerna | Good Morning! | 11:00 |
| jelkner | Good morning! | 11:00 |
| jelkner | I'm thinking our agenda won't fire | 11:01 |
| jelkner | because of the time change | 11:01 |
| ubuntourist | Hullo... | 11:01 |
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| jelkner | !remind | 11:01 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, just type "!remind" | 11:02 |
| nrcerna | Are we going to wait Stefan and Heylin right? | 11:02 |
| jelkner | to see the agenda | 11:02 |
| nrcerna | !remind | 11:02 |
| jelkner | Stefan is here, he is just not on line | 11:02 |
| jelkner | we shouldn't wait | 11:02 |
| jelkner | let's go | 11:02 |
| nrcerna | Ok | 11:02 |
| nrcerna | We are going to start...the first item: | 11:02 |
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| SITarabuta_ | I am here! I am here! | 11:03 |
| nrcerna | Following up Jeff email to Kevin (Susan request / Gallaudet project) this is for you ubuntourist and jelkner | 11:03 |
| jelkner | so, ubuntourist, SITarabuta_ and I are planning on meeting at Gallaudet this Tuesday | 11:03 |
| jelkner | i'll email everyone with a detailed update after that day | 11:04 |
| nrcerna | sweet | 11:04 |
| jelkner | short version, it looks like 2 more contracts! | 11:04 |
| jelkner | we love Gallaudet!!! | 11:04 |
| ubuntourist | As it stands, there's a mix of Drupal and Django that will probably need to be untangled. | 11:04 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 11:04 |
| nrcerna | Awesome!!!! | 11:04 |
| ubuntourist | As well as resolving any hosting issues. (Red Hat contract vs. Ubuntu no contract.) | 11:05 |
| nrcerna | Ok, so next item | 11:05 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION done | 11:05 |
| nrcerna | Next item: Following up Stefan and German this week progress (LibreOrganize) | 11:05 |
| nrcerna | This is for GFbot and SITarabuta_ | 11:05 |
| nrcerna | How are you doing whith navbars SITarabuta_ | 11:06 |
| nrcerna | ? | 11:06 |
| SITarabuta_ | Alright, so I continued doing navbars. I kind of figured it out, but I expect it to be done by today-tomorrow | 11:06 |
| GFbot | 1+ SITarabuta_ | 11:06 |
| GFbot | sounds good | 11:06 |
| nrcerna | You are making a great job SITarabuta_ | 11:06 |
| SITarabuta_ | Thanks. I will update GFBot later today | 11:07 |
| SITarabuta_ | If I manage to finish | 11:07 |
| nrcerna | You know that GFbot could help you if you need something | 11:07 |
| GFbot | SITarabuta_, cool | 11:07 |
| GFbot | :) | 11:07 |
| SITarabuta_ | ACTION thinks he's done for now | 11:07 |
| nrcerna | Great! | 11:07 |
| nrcerna | nest item: Planning for NOVALACIROS Website | 11:07 |
| nrcerna | next* | 11:08 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, can you move that to the end | 11:08 |
| jelkner | heylin is arriving now | 11:08 |
| nrcerna | Ok | 11:08 |
| jelkner | i need to go let her in | 11:08 |
| nrcerna | next item: Talk briefly about Pamela McCelland (from Gallaudet) email and contract signing. (jelkner) | 11:08 |
| nrcerna | ACTION waiting for jelkner | 11:09 |
| ubuntourist | I told him I'd let heylin in, but jelkner said "No, I'll go." So, let's move that later too. | 11:09 |
| ubuntourist | ;-) | 11:10 |
| nrcerna | Thanks for let us know ubuntourist :-) | 11:10 |
| ubuntourist | Maybe just wait, since the next one is his also. | 11:10 |
| nrcerna | Sure | 11:10 |
| ubuntourist | Oh what the heck. Just skip to mine and we'll let him do his last. | 11:11 |
| nrcerna | ok | 11:12 |
| nrcerna | NWD site cleanup and / or documentation? I need info. (ubuntourist) | 11:12 |
| ubuntourist | So, last week I was able to login to ams@novawebdevelopment.org | 11:13 |
| ubuntourist | Today I'm getting a "Connection refused" | 11:13 |
| ubuntourist | But when I was looking last week I was hopelessly confused: | 11:13 |
| ubuntourist | There appears to be at least three places where the root of our site lives. | 11:14 |
| ubuntourist | One was /srv something, another was /var/www/html (I think) and I forget the third. | 11:14 |
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| ubuntourist | So, either remove the dead branches or document what is where and what is live. | 11:15 |
| jelkner | A man with one watch always knows what time it is. A man with two is never really sure. | 11:15 |
| ubuntourist | (And why am I getting "connection refused" today? Is the site down? I THINK I may be able to check that.) | 11:15 |
| GFbot | ubuntourist, it is your ssh key added? | 11:16 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, As I say, it worked last week. So, yes. I have not changed my key. | 11:16 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION is done for the moment, but awaiting info and / or cleanup. | 11:17 |
| jelkner | so hrodriguez an jelkner are back | 11:18 |
| GFbot | ubuntourist, maybe you got ban ip for too many attempts | 11:18 |
| GFbot | or something like that | 11:18 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, feed us the items any way you wish | 11:18 |
| nrcerna | next item: Planning for NOVALACIROS Website (nrcerna | 11:18 |
| jelkner | ok, no need to take too much time | 11:18 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, as we discussed this morning, SITarabuta_ should work with hrodriguez on that | 11:19 |
| jelkner | bringing in design help from you, nrcerna | 11:19 |
| nrcerna | +1 | 11:19 |
| SITarabuta_ | +1 | 11:19 |
| jelkner | ok, let's do that | 11:19 |
| nrcerna | I started the homepage | 11:19 |
| nrcerna | https://imgur.com/5uFmV4T | 11:19 |
| jelkner | excellent1 | 11:19 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 11:20 |
| nrcerna | I'm going to share with you the assets SITarabuta_ | 11:20 |
| nrcerna | after the meeting | 11:20 |
| SITarabuta_ | alright | 11:20 |
| nrcerna | So jelkner the next is yours | 11:20 |
| nrcerna | Talk briefly about Pamela McCelland (from Gallaudet) email and contract signing. | 11:20 |
| jelkner | i only wanted to mention one thing on this to see if everyone agrees | 11:21 |
| jelkner | our operating agreement says any one of us can sign a contract | 11:21 |
| jelkner | but to ease workflow, i'm proposing that in general i do it | 11:21 |
| jelkner | the one that came from Pamela | 11:22 |
| jelkner | requires Louie to sign | 11:22 |
| jelkner | that won't work | 11:22 |
| jelkner | we need to fix that | 11:22 |
| jelkner | that's the one for Sound Advice | 11:22 |
| jelkner | so the legacy info they have keeps haunting us | 11:22 |
| jelkner | anyway, Susan has me listed | 11:23 |
| jelkner | so we're good | 11:23 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 11:23 |
| ubuntourist | My belief is that it will be less confusing to Gallaudet to have one point of contact for a single organization. jelkner SEEMS like the logical choice. | 11:23 |
| nrcerna | +1 | 11:23 |
| GFbot | 1+ | 11:23 |
| ubuntourist | (I would say that I am, except that there are rules about "double-dipping" -- working for a place after retiring and thus getting paid twice.) | 11:24 |
| nrcerna | +1 | 11:24 |
| nrcerna | is this item done? | 11:25 |
| jelkner | looks done to me | 11:25 |
| nrcerna | anyone else? | 11:25 |
| ubuntourist | I am receiving retirement money, and NOVA Web Development is receiving the contract money, even some or most ends up in my pocket. Keeping those separate is a legal fantasy, but it works. | 11:25 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION is done | 11:25 |
| nrcerna | great, lets continue with you ubuntourist | 11:26 |
| nrcerna | NWD site cleanup and / or documentation | 11:26 |
| ubuntourist | I think that is now a post-meeting thing. I've "said my piece" on it | 11:26 |
| nrcerna | Ok, | 11:27 |
| ubuntourist | and it will take a bit of back-and-forth with GFbot and / or others to work out the kinks. | 11:27 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION is done again | 11:27 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, i have an announcement when we finish | 11:27 |
| nrcerna | shoot! | 11:27 |
| jelkner | lbolz has been busy https://djangogirls.org/arlington/ | 11:27 |
| nrcerna | ACTION going to check... | 11:28 |
| jelkner | we should ask her to report on what she is doing next week | 11:28 |
| jelkner | not next week | 11:28 |
| nrcerna | Great, the site you jelkner asked her. | 11:28 |
| jelkner | i'll be in boston | 11:28 |
| GFbot | 1+ | 11:29 |
| nrcerna | I have an announcement too, we are going to have LO v.02 soon | 11:29 |
| ubuntourist | lbolz, slick site. | 11:29 |
| nrcerna | as I talked jelkner earlier | 11:29 |
| jelkner | Yippee!! | 11:29 |
| nrcerna | GFbot is going to work on make it billngual and SITarabuta_ with navbars | 11:30 |
| nrcerna | :) | 11:30 |
| jelkner | ok, nrcerna, you need to pick a chair for next week | 11:30 |
| SITarabuta_ | +1 | 11:30 |
| nrcerna | the're doing a great job | 11:30 |
| GFbot | jelkner, i'll chair | 11:30 |
| GFbot | next week | 11:30 |
| GFbot | :) | 11:30 |
| jelkner | awesome! | 11:30 |
| ubuntourist | !remind 2019.11.10 Chair = GFbot | 11:31 |
| "2019.11.10 Chair = GFbot" added to message queue | 11:31 | |
| nrcerna | So anything else? | 11:31 |
| nrcerna | someone has something to share? | 11:31 |
| nrcerna | If not... | 11:32 |
| nrcerna | ACTION drops the bag of gravel | 11:32 |
| jelkner | nice job, nrcerna | 11:32 |
| nrcerna | ;) | 11:32 |
| nrcerna | Thanks everyone | 11:32 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, So. You can still ssh as ams@novawebdevelopment.org? | 11:44 |
| GFbot | ubuntourist, wait | 11:47 |
| GFbot | ubuntourist, let me restart the instance i cant | 11:49 |
| hrodriguez : SITarabuta_ : GFbot : @ubuntourist : nrcerna : lbolz : +jelkner : @mjsir911 : @ChanServ : wolcen | 11:56 | |
| ubuntourist | I'm back in. | 11:56 |
| Planning for NOVALACIROS Website (nrcerna) | 11:56 | |
| Talk briefly about Pamela McCelland (from Gallaudet) email and contract signing. (jelkner) | 11:56 | |
| October financial report (jelkner) | 11:56 | |
| NWD site cleanup and / or documentation? I need info. (ubuntourist) | 11:56 | |
| 2019.11.10 Chair = GFbot (ubuntourist) | 11:56 | |
| ubuntourist | !remind | 11:56 |
| GFbot | ubuntourist, can you try to ssh now? | 11:57 |
| ubuntourist | !remind 2019.11.10 Chair = GFbot | 11:57 |
| "2019.11.10 Chair = GFbot" added to message queue | 11:57 | |
| ubuntourist | See my previous message above: I'm back in. | 11:57 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, see previous message ("I'm back in" 11:56:16) | 11:58 |
| GFbot | ubuntourist, im confused | 11:59 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, confused about what? I successfully ssh'd in after you rebooted. I'd like to know when and why it died. | 12:02 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, I'm confused about which directories contain the actual NOVA Web Development stuff and how they interact with Apache and Django and Tendenci. | 12:03 |
| GFbot | ubuntourist, oh got it | 12:03 |
| GFbot | cool | 12:03 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, Why are there multiple copies of what appear to be the NWD site on novawebdevelopment.org? | 12:03 |
| GFbot | ubuntourist, our site | 12:04 |
| GFbot | is on /opt/ | 12:04 |
| GFbot | what you see in /srv/ is deprecated | 12:04 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, /opt is a VERY odd place to keep our stuff. the depreciated stuff in /srv should be deleted and the live stuff should move from /opt to /srv | 12:06 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, do you have any knowledge about why /opt was chosen? | 12:06 |
| GFbot | ubuntourist, nope, i just trying to not delete things as Douglas told me. | 12:07 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, /opt is typically reserved for ubuntu packages that are not part of the standard repository (similar to /usr/local) and also for SOME Python pip packages but | 12:08 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, not for code that is user-specific. No one else in the world is going to want NOVA Web Development's list of members, images, etc. Those are all | 12:09 |
| GFbot | ubuntourist, so, should i try to move our site to srv? | 12:10 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, "customer specific" even if we're the customer. | 12:10 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, I think so. You can check with replaceafill. And if he has a compelling argument about why you should not move stuff, I would like to know. | 12:11 |
| GFbot | ubuntourist, ok, i'll ask him about that. | 12:12 |
| GFbot | ubuntourist, thanks for you advice. | 12:12 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, (Of course, as my buddy Flint would say "The five most important words in the English language are: 'Did you back it up?'" So, I suppose it is a good idea | 12:19 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, to back up /srv somewhere (not on the linode site). But mark it clearly as depreciated. | 12:20 |
| ubuntourist | ) | 12:20 |
| GFbot | ubuntourist, where then? | 12:21 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, good question. ;-) Is the stuff in /srv an old branch of a git repository? Because that would have been the right way to | 12:23 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, back up everything except what is in the PostgreSQL database. | 12:24 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, If it IS an old git branch, then it already is backed-up off-site. | 12:25 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, If it is NOT an old branch, then I guess I would try putting it out on GitLab as its own repository and make the repository name something like "old" | 12:26 |
| GFbot | just postgreSQL and secret keys right? | 12:26 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, or "depreciated". | 12:26 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, What? I didn't understand the question. | 12:27 |
| GFbot | just removing SQL and secret keys from instance | 12:28 |
| GFbot | if we use branches | 12:28 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, hold a sec. | 12:29 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION needs to step away for a few minutes. | 12:29 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, r u here? | 12:30 |
| nrcerna | yes jelkner | 12:30 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist and GFbot are having a bit of a challenge understanding each other | 12:31 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist stepped away | 12:31 |
| jelkner | but he was asking for my help | 12:31 |
| jelkner | i thought bringing you in too is a good idea | 12:31 |
| nrcerna | mmmm | 12:32 |
| jelkner | since we are making decisions about backups and reorganization | 12:32 |
| jelkner | i'm not expecting you to have the tech background on this | 12:32 |
| nrcerna | I was lost too, when I was reading out what they where talking | 12:32 |
| jelkner | but we may need your help communicating with replaceafill | 12:32 |
| jelkner | GFbot is right that he needs to be careful | 12:32 |
| GFbot | 1+ | 12:33 |
| jelkner | since we don't want to delete something important | 12:33 |
| GFbot | right | 12:33 |
| jelkner | so the solution to that is to learn how to properly back up things | 12:33 |
| nrcerna | got it | 12:33 |
| jelkner | GFbot, what is in /opt that ubuntourist is trying to get rid of? | 12:33 |
| nrcerna | so GFbot is going to ask him | 12:34 |
| nrcerna | (meaning replaceafill) | 12:34 |
| jelkner | ok, we may need to wait until after that | 12:34 |
| jelkner | but nrcerna, can you please be in on that conversation? | 12:34 |
| nrcerna | of course | 12:34 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION is back and catching up... | 12:34 |
| GFbot | jelkner, yes our site is in /opt/ | 12:34 |
| jelkner | since it will be helpful to have two "witnesses" to what replacefill says | 12:34 |
| GFbot | so as i said i don't want to delete things | 12:35 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, Discussing w/ jelkner. I guess I will take care of everything in /srv (including secret keys and the database). And then, I'll wipe out the stuff in /srv. | 12:38 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, Except... one small problem -- really a BIG problem: the site kicked me off and closed port 22 again. SSH no longer working. So, something is killing it. | 12:40 |
| GFbot | ubuntourist, mmm | 12:40 |
| GFbot | i can give root access | 12:40 |
| GFbot | i mean | 12:40 |
| GFbot | root password | 12:40 |
| GFbot | but, it doesnt work | 12:41 |
| GFbot | i think | 12:41 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, the graphs at https://cloud.linode.com/linodes/8224413/summary show these spikes in usage and I think they happen at the same time that SSH dies. | 12:43 |
| GFbot | ubuntourist, there is something called "keepConnectionAlive" | 12:44 |
| GFbot | for ssh i think | 12:44 |
| GFbot | that could work? | 12:44 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, it might help but I think the problem is somewhere else. | 12:45 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, If the connection dies and I get kicked off, I should be able to ssh in again. But something kicks me off and then closes the port. | 12:46 |
| GFbot | ubuntourist, weird | 12:46 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, I don't think the keepConnectionAlive setting will prevent the second problem. | 12:46 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, I will now investigate that to see if others have experienced the same trouble. | 12:47 |
| GFbot | ubuntourist, ok | 12:47 |
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| SITarabuta_ | GFBot ! I got them working | 13:55 |
| SITarabuta_ | I pushed the changes | 13:55 |
| SITarabuta_ | on the tendenci_cms repo | 13:56 |
| SITarabuta_ | not repo, branch | 13:56 |
| SITarabuta_ | I have created a merge request | 13:59 |
| GFbot | SITarabuta_, cool | 13:59 |
| GFbot | i'll checkit | 13:59 |
| SITarabuta_ | alright | 13:59 |
| GFbot | did u add my changes? | 13:59 |
| SITarabuta_ | yes | 13:59 |
| SITarabuta_ | there shouldn't be any merge conflict | 13:59 |
| GFbot | cool | 14:00 |
| GFbot | let me check | 14:00 |
| SITarabuta_ | ok | 14:00 |
| SITarabuta_ | I did not add anything in the dashboard though. You can access them at /liberorganize/navbars | 14:02 |
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