IRC log of #novawebdev for Tuesday, 2019-12-10

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nrcerna_ACTION meeting with Douglas09:13
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replaceafillhello jelkner 09:36
jelknerhello replaceafill, great to talk to you!09:37
jelkneri've only got 20 minutes, replaceafill 09:37
jelknerthen i have to run off a quiz and prepare for my next class09:37
replaceafilljelkner, cool09:37
jelknerso let's jump right in09:37
replaceafilljelkner, kk09:37
jelknerACTION is all ears09:38
jelkner(or eyes, in this case ;-)09:38
replaceafilljelkner, i just talked to nrcerna_ 09:38
jelknergreat, replaceafill 09:39
jelkneri was hoping she would reach out to you09:39
replaceafilljelkner, if i understand the question right: how much time should German invest learning ARA?09:39
replaceafilljelkner, did i get it right?09:39
jelknerwell, more broadly, the question is, should we pursue a contract with Gallaudet?09:40
jelknerwe have an ongoing problem of becoming a successful business09:40
jelknerthat means skilling up09:40
jelknerand as you know, we ain't there yet09:40
replaceafilljelkner, are you willing to completely pause libreorganize's development in the meantime?09:41
jelkneri don't think that will be necessary at all09:41
jelknerthe goal is for GFbot to determine *if* he could support ARA if he needed to09:41
jelknernrcerna_, and i have to make a business decision09:42
jelknerzOnny got thrown into the deep end and almost drowned09:42
jelknerwe don't want that to happen again09:42
jelkneri think the goal would still be for him to be the main dev on ARA work09:42
jelknerbut he needs to know he can go to GFbot when he gets in over his head09:43
jelknerLibreOrganize is not moving as fast as I had hoped, btw09:43
jelkneri'm not sure why09:43
jelkneri was planning on talking with nrcerna_ about that today09:43
replaceafilljelkner, i've been away for a long time, but i sense the same pattern: you're not a team09:43
jelkneryes, replacefill, i know09:44
jelkneri will say that nrcerna_ and i *are* a team09:44
jelknershe rocks!09:44
replaceafilljelkner, neither Edzon is trained to ask for German's help and German is not trained to provide help09:44
jelknerbut herding the other cats in our outfit is a real challenge09:44
replaceafilljelkner, sure, nrcerna_ is at another level09:44
replaceafilljelkner, she's a profressional09:44
jelknerincluding GFbot, as you know09:44
jelknerbut we are what we are, my dear friend09:45
jelknerand nrcerna_ and i need to see if we can make it work09:45
replaceafilljelkner, sure09:45
jelknerso getting GFbot and zOnny to work together is crucial09:45
jelknerwe can't give up on that09:45
jelknerhere is another opportunity to try09:45
jelknerbtw. aelkner is working with nrcerna_ and zOnny on Sign and Read09:46
replaceafilljelkner, i Edzon working part time?09:46
jelknerhe had to take a job a restaurant09:46
replaceafilljelkner, ah yes, saw the logs09:46
jelknerso the dream is to bring him back full time09:46
jelknerbut we need income09:46
jelknerwhich we don't have09:46
jelknerto do that09:47
replaceafilljelkner, egg chicken problem :)09:47
jelkneryup, same old problem09:47
jelkneranyway, to make a long story short09:47
replaceafilljelkner, if you're interested in German's opinion on ARA09:47
replaceafilljelkner, i'd recommend having him to set it up09:47
replaceafilljelkner, and go through it09:47
replaceafilljelkner, probably with Kevin's or Edzon's help09:48
jelkneri was hoping nrcerna_ would get an idea from you as to how many hours would be reasonable for GFbot to get a feel for the ARA problem09:48
replaceafilljelkner, in a timely fashion (with meetings and dates)09:48
jelknernrcerna_, you would need to manage that09:48
replaceafilljelkner, problem is German doesn't behave like a normal developer09:48
jelkneryes, my friend, i know09:48
replaceafilljelkner, i could tell you: this should take him 4 hours09:48
jelknerit kills me09:48
replaceafilljelkner, and he would deliver those 4 hours in a 3 weeks span09:48
jelknerreplaceafill, i said to nrcerna_ "i think half a day is reasonable"09:49
jelknerbut i wanted your opinion09:49
jelknerso i was on target09:49
jelknernrcerna_, you need to go sit with him09:49
replaceafilljelkner, sure, but start with that approach: make him set it up using instructions written by either Edzon or Kevin09:49
jelknerif he can't deliver, we are in deeeeep trouble09:50
jelknerthis is our ongoing story09:50
replaceafilljelkner, then have that same person to explain the system trhough a call09:50
replaceafilljelkner, i have no doubt of this tech capacity09:50
replaceafilljelkner, even with ARA09:50
replaceafilljelkner, which is a set of straight forward django apps09:50
jelkneryes, replaceafill, but that that doesn't matter if there isn't self control to deliver09:50
replaceafilljelkner, correct09:51
jelkneryes, ARA is fairly simple09:51
replaceafilljelkner, as you said in your last meeting09:51
replaceafilljelkner, this is not a tech problem09:51
replaceafilljelkner, it's a people's problem09:51
jelknerso, nrcerna_ 09:51
jelknerdo you have what you need?09:51
jelkneri need to contact zOnnny, and you need to have a heart-to-heart with your cousin09:52
nrcerna_I'm thinking about all you said09:52
replaceafilljelkner, what's the backup if German is not interested?09:52
jelknerwe are pretty screwed at present without German09:53
jelknersince he is the only developer i can afford to pay from my own pocket09:53
replaceafilljelkner, but you're not moving much with him anyway?09:53
jelknerthe path out of this is to:09:54
replaceafilljelkner, or as fast as you would expect anyway09:54
jelkneryes, i know09:54
jelknerbut replaceafill, i'm too stubborn and stupid to give up09:54
jelkneras you know09:54
jelknerso i keep on pushing forward09:54
jelkneri have incredibly talented students this year09:55
jelknerand a new program with "Senior Capstone" that promises a steady stream of very skilled interns09:55
replaceafilljelkner, sorry i interrupted your "path out of this"09:55
jelknerwe have lbolz this year09:55
jelkneri need to go, replaceafill 09:55
replaceafilljelkner, sure09:56
replaceafilljelkner, great talking to you my friend09:56
jelknerI'm so glad i came there last Summer09:56
replaceafilljelkner, let me know if i can help09:56
jelknerthe way i see it, German can either code for us or drive a truck or whatever09:56
jelknerhe will want to code with us09:56
jelknerwe just have to keep pushing him09:56
replaceafillit's a vicious circle imho09:56
jelknerthat is for nrcerna_ to decide09:57
jelknersince it's her problem now, not yours :-(09:57
jelknerok, nrcerna_ i have a half day tomorrow09:57
replaceafillok, see you everybody o/09:57
jelknerthanks, replaceafill!09:58
jelknernrcerna_, i'm going to give you a quick call again...09:58
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nrcerna_ACTION Meeting with German10:46
nrcerna_hey GFbot, replaceafill is on hangouts13:22
nrcerna_you should ask him about we was reading for the languages GFbot13:23
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nrcernate fuiste GFbot 17:04
GFbotnrcerna, ando haciendo tu canal17:05
nrcernaNuesto canal de reportes GFbot 17:05
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GFbot@mjsir911, are you there?18:26
nrcernaGFbot, Porfa no se te olvide lo de tu reporte18:57
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