IRC log of #novawebdev for Sunday, 2020-03-01

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ubuntourist!remind Linode: ~$150 per month ~= $1800 per year. Are all sites still in active use?06:22
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ubuntouristHmmm... All quiet on the Eastern Front....11:01
ubuntourist!remind11:01
jelknerGM, ubuntourist 11:01
jelknermy apologies11:01
jelknernrcerna is ill11:02
ubuntouristACTION yawns11:02
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jelknerand everyone else is here11:02
SITarabuta : @ubuntourist : GFbot : lbolz : zOnny : +jelkner : @ChanServ : @mjsir911 : wolcen11:02
Linode: ~$150 per month ~= $1800 per year. Are all sites still in active use? (ubuntourist)11:02
ubuntouristEveryone?11:02
SITarabutajust in time11:02
jelknerlbolz, SITarabuta, and zOnny11:02
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jelknerlet's make this quick11:02
ubuntouristHullo all.11:02
jelknernrcerna is ill11:03
GFbotHello there!11:03
jelknershe emailed me this morning11:03
jelknerGFbot, great, you're here!11:03
jelkneryou know your cousin is not feeling well, GFbot 11:03
jelknershe won't be here11:03
GFbotyes sir.11:03
jelknerso let's dive in11:03
jelknerSITarabuta, tell us in 3 minutes about Zoho11:03
jelknershould we switch now, or wait11:04
SITarabutajelkner, i think we are moving too fast. i can hear the keyboard from over here11:04
SITarabutayes, i think we should11:04
SITarabutathey can also do docs and other stuff11:04
SITarabutaand as we all know11:04
jelknercool11:04
SITarabutayou are an advocate of getting off Google11:04
jelknerthat task would fall on nrcnerna and me11:04
SITarabutait is an easy switch11:05
jelknerso why don't we task nrcerna and jelkner with investigating a switch11:05
jelknercool11:05
SITarabutajust change 2 dns addresses11:05
jelknerwe'll look into that this week11:05
jelknerand report to y'all next sunday11:05
jelknerGFbot, ubuntourist, are you on top of what SITarabuta did with email?11:05
ubuntouristNope.11:06
jelknerwe need to make sure we have some redundancy11:06
GFbotnop11:06
jelknerdrats11:06
SITarabutaHold on hold11:06
SITarabutaon11:06
jelknerwould you two be willing to do that?11:06
SITarabutaI moved everything to namecheap from tierra.net11:06
SITarabutathat is about it11:06
jelknerSITarabuta is driving us toward success11:06
jelknerthe least we can do it to try to keep up with him! ;-)11:06
ubuntouristSince our e-mail is webfaction and google, I'm missing the connection...11:07
GFbotdo we still using webfaction at this point :D?11:08
SITarabutayes.11:08
ubuntourist(And we're also on Linode.)11:08
SITarabutazoho would be our savior11:08
SITarabutafor hosting11:08
GFbotSITarabuta 1+11:08
SITarabutathe DNS11:08
SITarabutawas just moved11:08
SITarabutafrom tierra.net to namecheap11:09
SITarabutaand everything else11:09
SITarabutabut the actual hosting is still webfaction11:09
SITarabutathat is about it really11:09
ubuntouristjelkner, So. Yes: I'm aware of what SITarabuta has done with email. Nada. He's done lots of other stuff of importance11:09
ubuntourist;-)11:10
jelknertouche, ubuntourist 11:10
jelknerweekends are the only time i can keep up with all this11:10
jelknerwe are discussing alternatives11:11
jelknerlet's do that after the meeting11:11
jelknernext item11:11
jelknerwith zOnny and SITarabuta both here11:12
jelknerwe can have a conversation about choices11:12
jelknerand make one11:12
jelknerafter the meeting11:12
ubuntouristSITarabuta, I'll probably want credentials to tierra.net if I'm going to go poking around with switching e-mails.11:12
jelknerwe are off tierranet11:12
SITarabutacompletely11:12
jelknerubuntourist, no longer needed11:12
SITarabutai used jelkner credentials11:12
SITarabutato take verything off11:13
ubuntouristOops. Sorry. I mean namecheap.11:13
jelkneryes11:13
jelknerubuntourist, you create your own account on namecheap11:13
jelknerand we give you privileges11:13
SITarabutaso i have my own account, but the rest of NWD shared one account11:13
SITarabutabut that is bad11:13
jelknerthat's why we like it so much11:13
SITarabutaso really we need an account per user11:13
jelkner+111:13
jelknermjsir911, got us on that for that reason11:13
ubuntouristI have a namecheap account.11:13
ubuntouristWhat I'm asking about: Does namecheap offer mailboxes? Do we do the same kind of aliasing of @novawebdevelopment.org11:15
zOnnyubuntourist: I gave it to you already11:15
SITarabutano no ubuntourist 11:15
ubuntouristto Zoho 11:15
SITarabutaubuntourist, is just DNS11:15
SITarabutaand domain purchasing11:15
SITarabutaand configuring a domain11:15
SITarabutato ring to an ip or server11:15
ubuntouristSo. getting @novawebdevelopment.org addresses to use Zoho... is done how / where?11:16
SITarabutawe didn't yet11:16
SITarabutawe are thinking about it11:16
jelknerubuntourist, can we discuss this after the meeting?11:17
ubuntouristACTION is ... done? for now then...11:17
jelknernext item11:17
jelknerwe need to move our own website to LOv0.211:17
jelknerthat is top priority11:17
jelknersince we can't move forward with an agile process without doing that11:17
jelknerwe have a minimal viable product11:17
jelknerwe need to start using it11:18
SITarabutathat is in the works on the backend side: i began setting up automation and continous integration on GitLab11:18
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SITarabutaso nobody should just manually git pull and deploy11:18
jelknerubuntourist's user story is the one that drove development11:18
SITarabutawe should do that automatically11:18
jelknerwe have events11:18
jelknerand a calendar11:18
jelknerso let's get that started today11:18
jelknerubuntourist, if you could help with Zoho, that would be awesome11:18
jelkneri'll talk to you about that11:18
jelknerubuntourist, now they are saying bluehost is better11:20
jelknerubuntourist, can you and i talk after?11:20
ubuntouristOK.11:20
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jelknerlast item is ubuntourist 11:20
jelkneryes, we are wasting money11:20
GFbota lot11:21
jelknerthe main problem is we aren't billing11:21
jelknerzOnny gave me a horror story this morning11:21
SITarabutaand we need to move multiples sites on the same machine11:21
SITarabuta*pretty please*?11:21
jelknerwe have a customer who is upset with us *for not billing*!!!!!!11:21
jelknerthey keep good books11:21
SITarabutaand we don't11:21
jelknertheir books say they should be expecting an invoice11:22
SITarabutaand our inexistent books don't say that11:22
jelknerthey can't balance their books until they pay11:22
jelknerthey cant' pay until we bill11:22
SITarabutawe are balanced because we have no books11:22
ubuntouristjelkner, I see Mr. Flint still has a virtual box, among other questionable boxes on Linode.11:22
GFbotjelkner should talk with nrcerna about that?11:22
jelknerGFbot, i talk to her every day11:22
jelknerit is hard for her11:23
jelknerthis isn't her forte11:23
GFboti know11:23
jelknerbut she's the only one who can do it right now11:23
SITarabutareally ubuntourist 11:23
SITarabutaI didn't know which ones those were11:23
jelknerok, anything else before we get down to work?11:23
SITarabutaOne thing11:23
SITarabutabefore we move to multiples sites per machine11:24
SITarabutawe could at least downgrade from 2GB boxes to Nanodes 1GB11:24
SITarabutabecause the websites11:24
SITarabutadon't have much traffic11:24
SITarabutait is half the price11:24
SITarabutaACTION done11:24
jelkner+111:25
GFbotjelkner yes, I plan to work with Alan every meeting on ToDo++. the next meeting that we are going to have he will able to see my work and help me to get that done.11:25
jelknerexcellent, GFbot 11:25
GFbotSITarabuta we started using 2GB services11:25
GFbotbecause, we used to use tendenci11:25
SITarabutai see11:26
GFbotbut, our current LO will be able to run there11:26
GFbot1gb enough11:26
GFbotI agree with you SITarabuta11:27
GFbotACTION is done11:29
GFbotjelkner we are done?11:31
jelknerACTION drops the bag of gravel11:31
jelkneryes, GFbot we're done11:31
jelknersorry11:31
jelknerwe were in a discussion about which servers we could drop11:32
jelknerwhile we have access to zOnny 11:32
jelknerwe should clean up some of those11:32
jelkneras ubuntourist points out, $150 per month is a lot11:32
GFbotjelkner sounds good11:32
jelknerespecially when we don't bill!11:32
GFbotjelkner i agree with SITarabuta11:32
ubuntouristSome may have been temporary experiments that are already gone: I note two with "mail" in the name, which I assume were11:33
GFbotthere's a site using 4GB ram 20$  each month11:33
ubuntouristattempts to run our own mailserver last month.11:33
ubuntourist(Those two chewed through some CPU hours, unlike the other sites.)11:34
GFbotjelkner can we call tomorrow?11:37
GFboti'll be early tomorrow11:37
jelknerubuntourist, zOnny and stefan are suggesting bluehost for email11:39
ubuntouristjelkner, So. NOT Zoho.11:39
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ubuntouristI'm sleep deprived, but I thought less than 30 minutes ago, Zoho was the go-to.11:41
jelknerubuntourist, i'm feeling zoho too11:41
jelknerbut it is more expensive11:41
GFbotACTION waiting for jelkner11:41
jelkneri wonder if we can reach out to them to get a "desperate open source startup special price"11:42
jelknerGFbot, shoot11:42
jelknerubuntourist, go to sleep11:42
ubuntouristjelkner, I'm not making a case for one or the other. I'm just trying to keep up.11:42
GFbotjelkner we can call tomorrow?11:42
jelknerubuntourist, i don't know11:42
jelkneri look at bluehost and see office-36511:42
jelknerthat doesn't help11:42
jelknerwe need shared documents11:43
ubuntouristBleah! Yucky!11:43
ubuntouristACTION doesn't know what evil Zoho might use under the hood, though...11:43
jelknerso, can you and i spend saturday, march 14 figuring that out?11:43
jelknerGFbot, yes11:44
jelknercan you be at nrcerna's at 9:35 am11:44
jelkner?11:44
ubuntouristACTION goes to check calendar (with the hope that it's up to date)...11:44
jelkneri told her this morning i would call tomorrow11:44
jelknerGFbot, please go there so we can talk11:44
GFbotgood11:44
GFbotjelkner yes11:44
ubuntouristjelkner, calendar looks open until evening that day. So, yeah.11:45
jelknerexcellent, ubuntourist 11:45
jelkneri put it on my calendar too11:45
jelknerACTION goes to work on our tax filing11:46
jelknersee y'all next sunday11:46
ubuntouristjelkner, W2 for me?11:46
jelknerW2 for you is coming from Diego11:46
jelknerheylin and i have a meeting with him between 4 and 6 pm11:47
jelknerthat will be the last one11:47
jelknernova web llc doesn't do w211:47
ubuntouristjelkner, ok. I await word. (And I might not make any NWD money this year anyway. But last year, yes.)11:48
jelknerso only payments you received before august will be on the w211:48
jelknerlet's hope that isn't true, ubuntourist 11:48
jelknersince we need Gallaudet as a customer!11:48
jelknerwe can talk more about that on 3/14 also11:49
jelknerACTION signs off11:49
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