IRC log of #novawebdev for Sunday, 2020-03-15

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SITarabuta!remind The new NWD website and LOv201:01
"The new NWD website and LOv2" added to message queue01:01
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jelknergood morning, abuchholz 09:47
abuchholzgood morning09:47
jelknerabuchholz, can you think of anything we might need from the school?09:49
jelknertoday is the last day i will have access09:49
jelkneri'm going to grab the coffee maker, since i know i'll need a lot of coffee ;-)09:49
jelknerother than that, i can't think of anything i need09:50
abuchholzI don't think so. This next month is going to be rough though.09:50
jelkneri'm going to learn more django then i would have otherwise, abuchholz 09:51
jelknerso i'll make the best of it09:52
abuchholzjelkner what does !remind do? does it remind you at 11? 10:10
jelknerabuchholz, it shows me the agenda10:13
jelknerif you pass it an argument, it adds and item to the agenda10:13
abuchholzalright that was my second question. Just trying to figure this out so that I can implement it in the discord bot.10:14
jelknerabuchholz, do you mean your discord bot will interface with our irc bot?10:15
jelkneri don't understand10:15
jelkneri see stefan's agenda item10:15
jelknerbut i am going to continue to push back against any internal adoption of non-free software for our core workflow10:16
abuchholzno. I mean that I am trying to implement similar features into our bot, so that if we ever do make the change to discord or at least try it once that we have the same features as the bot 10:16
jelknerin fact, if we go down that route10:16
jelknerwe have no plan at all10:17
abuchholzThat's fair. We can talk more about it at 11 with Stefan10:17
jelkner!remind next steps for our website10:27
"next steps for our website" added to message queue10:27
jelkner!remind should we adjust our schedule to our new circumstances?10:29
"should we adjust our schedule to our new circumstances?" added to message queue10:29
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jelknergm, ubuntourist 11:00
jelknerhow are you feeling?11:00
ubuntouristMilady Jen says that if I have a runny nose -- I do -- then it is not the dreaded "Black Plague" of the day.11:01
jelknermy clock says 11 am11:01
jelknerthat's good news, ubuntourist 11:02
jelknernrcerna, are you chairing today?11:02
ubuntouristSo "I'm not dead yet" ("You will be soon") "I feel happy!" [Thunk]11:02
@ubuntourist : SITarabuta : lbolz : nrcerna : abuchholz : +jelkner : wolcen : @mjsir911 : @ChanServ11:02
next steps for our website (jelkner)11:02
should we adjust our schedule to our new circumstances? (jelkner)11:02
jelknerthere goes11:02
ubuntouristBut throat is definitely sore, and coughing increasing. Still on the downhill side of things.11:02
nrcernaOk jelkner 11:03
jelknerubuntourist, let's chat briefly after meeting11:03
nrcernaHello Everyone11:03
jelknergm, nrcerna 11:03
SITarabutaubuntourist, sorry to hear that11:03
SITarabutahi everyone11:03
nrcernaFirst item: Figure out what is wrong with Big Brother. (ubuntourist)11:04
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ubuntouristnrcerna, In my current state of mind, I don't remember what I though was wrong with Big Brother... So, next. ;-)11:05
ubuntourist(Unless someone else recalls.)11:05
nrcernaok ubuntourist ;)11:05
nrcernanext item:  Discord - and how it changed the productivity between German, Adrian, and I (SITarabuta)11:05
nrcernaACTION expecting about the discord thing11:06
SITarabutaSo I don't think I can put into words the level of increased productivity I experienced using Discord. German and I never connected so well. Now, we have an issue - German tags me, send a screenshot, or anything - I fix it.11:06
SITarabutaEven more! We have voice chat, and especially now in this period of no in person meetings, this will greatly help us. Nothing matches voice.11:06
ubuntouristACTION is expecting 40 lines of cut-and-paste in an IRC chat. ;-)11:06
SITarabutaAlso, we can join voice chats where I share my screen11:07
SITarabutaso for example, Lena and Adrian can see what I am doing on my screen11:07
SITarabutaAnd just as a final note11:07
SITarabutaThis is directed to you, jelkner ;)11:07
SITarabutaBecause we all use it11:07
SITarabutaACTION done11:07
SITarabutaubuntourist, I actually didn't have time to prepare one ;)11:07
jelknerso, as you all expect, i'll weight in11:07
jelknerfirst, whenever you use non-free software, you end up on the loosing end of a relationship with a monopoly11:08
ubuntouristSITarabuta, Weight a minute! ;-)11:08
jelknerwe have three principles in our operating agreement11:08
jelkner1. We want to make a living, not a killing11:08
jelkner2. We want to help build the world we want to live in11:09
jelkner3. The peoples movement should be using the peoples software11:09
jelknerusing non-free software violates two of those principles11:09
SITarabutaJeff, is linode free software? Is Gmail free software? Our company is close to dying - do we want to die with IRC? Or do we want to make progress with Discord?11:09
jelkneryou all can do what you want for now11:09
jelknerlook, for now, we are making progress11:10
jelknerwe've made another pact with the devil11:10
jelknerand we are moving forward11:10
nrcernaubuntourist, Slack is the best one I use it a lot with my design customers 11:10
jelknerthis july we will have several PRIME interns11:11
jelknerlooking for cool, month long projects11:11
jelkneri plan to have them investigate ways for us to move *toward* freedom, not away from it11:11
jelknerACTION done11:11
SITarabutaOk, I am going to be straight. I didn't want to say this, but: if we don't use discord, I cannot do this. It will not work. German and I HAVE ot use it11:11
SITarabutaACTION done11:11
jelkneruse what you want, SITarabuta 11:11
jelkneri won't, but you can11:12
nrcernajelkner, even like that discord could work to increase productivity as SITarabuta mentioned11:12
jelkneras long as the software we are building is GPL v311:12
jelkneri feel we are in good shape11:12
ubuntouristI was mentioning to abuchholz earlier today MatterMost, Riot.IM, murmur / mumble. etc.11:12
jelknerso use what you want to communicate with german11:12
ubuntourist may be a better URL.11:12
jelknerubuntourist, can we look into this in july?11:13
abuchholzProductivity is more important that open source especially with the business on the verge of collapse. 11:13
SITarabutaEveryone wants to use it jelkner. Sometimes we need compromises. Anyway, we are drifting off topic at this point.11:13
jelkneri don't want to disrupt productivity over an ideological battle now11:13
SITarabutaok, next topic. i don't wanna talk about this11:13
nrcernanext item: next steps for our website (jelkner)11:14
nrcerna-Big_Brother/#novawebdev- should we adjust our schedule to our 11:14
jelknerabuchholz, we can talk more about that later11:14
SITarabutauhm, i think you skipped something nrcerna11:14
nrcerna? SITarabuta 11:14
jelknerbut imho, once we compromise our principles, we have no reason to exist11:15
SITarabutaI had to talk about the new website nrcerna 11:15
SITarabuta"The new NWD website"11:15
nrcernashoot SITarabuta 11:15
jelknerthis is great news!11:15
jelkneri created an account11:15
ubuntouristACTION shoots SITarabuta 11:15
SITarabutaACTION chuckles11:15
jelknerit worked11:16
SITarabutaOk, so lots of progress. is live on LibreOrganize V2. Personally, I cannot explain how happy / proud I am to see LOV2 become a used.11:16
ubuntouristSITarabuta, is there a profile / settings page once registered and logged in?11:16
SITarabutaYes, but it missing on this theme. Hold on, gonna fix soon11:16
SITarabutaYou would have to know your uid to access it via the url11:16
jelkneralso, SITarabuta, we need to remove the login item from the menu11:17
ubuntouristSITarabuta, I take it, due to the restructuring, there's not an easy way to port the dumped SQL from the old site.11:17
SITarabutaoh, yeah. i didn't even try. trust me, it is imposible11:17
ubuntouristSITarabuta, but that it has been dumped,.. Right.11:17
SITarabutaso i am going to fix it now11:18
ubuntouristGood to know. If there are tidbits of text that were important (e.g. URLs to various resources, "grep" may be our friend.11:19
SITarabutaACTION done11:19
ubuntourist(I mean grepping the SQL dump for various tidbits.)11:19
ubuntouristACTION is done11:19
nrcernaOk next item: should we adjust our schedule to our new circumstances? (jelkner)11:20
jelknervery quick11:20
jelknerin years past, we moved from 11 am to 12 noon when daylight savings time happened11:20
jelknerso team guanaco wouldn't have to get up so early11:21
jelknerso this is for you, nrcerna and GFbot 11:21
jelkneris 10 am better for you on sunday then 9 am?11:21
nrcernaWhat do you think GFbot ?11:21
GFbotwell if you guys can be here11:22
GFboti prefer 10am11:22
jelkneranyone object?11:22
ubuntouristNah. I just need to remember.11:23
jelknerGFbot, can you fix Big Brother for that?11:23
jelknerabuchholz, lbolz, SITarabuta, objections?11:23
jelknerGFbot, do you know how to change the clock on Big Brother?11:24
jelknerahh, ubuntourist, there is your first item ;-)11:24
GFbotjelkner, i can try11:24
jelknerGFbot, mjsir911 can help you11:24
GFbotjelkner, btw11:24
jelknerbut you need to reach out to him11:24
SITarabutaalso, please let's try to use the check in features on the novawebdevelopment website11:24
SITarabutafor next meeting11:24
GFbotI think Big_Brother is running on webfaction11:24
jelknerSITarabuta, this is super important11:25
jelkneri was going to talk about that on the next agenda item11:25
nrcernashoot jelkner 11:26
jelknerok, we need to plan next steps for LOv0.211:26
jelknerwe have four current test users: us, ORA, AEA, and NOVALACIRO11:26
jelknerthe last two are shut down do to COVID-1911:27
jelknerNOVALACIRO can't organize11:27
jelknerAEA is closed until April 14th11:27
jelknerso that leaves only two11:27
jelknerus and ORA11:27
jelkneri think we have no choice but to focus on those use cases11:27
jelkneruntil the other come back online11:28
jelknerso, SITarabuta is totally on point11:28
jelknerto get ORA to be able to use LOv0.211:28
jelknerwe need to have meeting check-in11:28
jelknerand reporting11:28
ubuntourist(I see that lbolz, SITarabuta and I are checked in for today.)11:28
jelknerand voting11:28
SITarabutaok, voting next.11:28
jelknerjelkner too ;-)11:29
jelknerSITarabuta, we need to look at our mobile version11:29
jelknerwhich is GFbot and nrcerna again11:29
jelknerfront end design11:29
ubuntouristAh. I see. Refresh has added a few more names. ;-)11:29
GFbotjelkner, for that11:30
GFbotwe need to start working on base theme and fixing some issues11:30
SITarabutathe base theme is 100% compliant on mobile11:30
GFbotwith SITarabuta 11:30
SITarabutathe novawebdev theme is good as well11:30
jelknerGFbot, +111:30
ubuntouristLoving the maximum participants = ∞ by the way. "To ∞ and beyond!"11:30
SITarabutahehe ;)11:31
GFbotjelkner, maybe you won't use Discord but, SITarabuta and I plan to do it in order to get things ready soon as possible.11:31
jelknerthat's fine, GFbot 11:31
SITarabutayeah, so don't expect many logs here11:31
jelknerdo what works11:31
jelkneri'll contact you by signal, GFbot 11:31
jelknerto check-in11:31
GFbotjelkner, 1+11:31
jelknerthis july we can have PRIME interns investigate free communication workflow tools11:32
jelknerand revisit the topic then11:32
abuchholzor they can just use discord cause they probably already do11:32
jelknerabuchholz, you're not being helpful11:32
SITarabuta"free communication workflow tools" - idk but sounds funny11:33
jelknerwe are going to want communication to be part of our product11:33
GFbotDiscord is free to use btw :)11:33
jelknerthat's what libreorganize is all about11:33
jelknerif we just say, use Google, and discord, and Amazon, and forget about democracy, we have no reason to exist11:33
jelknerACTION done11:33
SITarabutaACTION done11:34
jelknerbut not Democracy concerned!11:34
ubuntouristWhile I'm slightly less ideologically pure than jelkner, consider moving forward the ability to integrate whatever into LOV2.11:34
SITarabutawhat is that supposed to mean jelkner 11:34
jelknerSITarabuta, let's talk about this when we get together11:35
jelknerfor now, we have a plan11:35
ubuntouristFrom a pragmatic, long-term standpoint, rather than an ideological one, it's going to be easier to do with FLOSS...11:35
SITarabutai can't believe i am losing productivity on this ideological issue. we have linode - no free software. we freaking use GMAIL. whatever11:35
jelknerSITarabuta, i'll call you11:35
nrcernaDont let this topic take the best of yourselves, meaning: Calm down11:35
SITarabutaACTION is really pissed.11:36
jelknerin the mean time, SITarabuta, do what you want to do11:36
nrcernaACTION really concern about this11:36
GFbotjelkner, i'll to report that im making progress with Business Tracker, i hope to get something to show next meeting11:36
jelknerawesome, GFbot!11:37
jelknernext meeting at 12 noon ;-)11:37
nrcernaYoure doing amazing progress GFbot , as Alan said11:37
GFbotAlan is really great help for me :)11:37
ubuntouristSo, whatever is chosen now, keep an eye out for better possibilities going forward -- even if the rest of the universe isn't using it.11:37
GFbot1+ jelkner 11:37
ubuntourist(The rest of the universe isn't yet using LOV2. We hope to change that.)11:37
nrcernaOk I think we are done, unless anyone has something to add11:38
nrcerna*Drops the bag of gravel11:39
nrcernaACTION Drops the bag of gravel11:40
jelknersee y'all next sunday at noon11:40
jelknerand online in the mean time11:40
jelknerubuntourist, my wife left for Puerto Rico this morning11:40
jelkneri have her car for a week11:41
jelkneronce you feel up to it11:41
jelknerlet me know somewhere we can get together to chat11:41
GFbotjelkner, i plan to take the day off tomorrow since i worked friday and yesterday if you don't mind?11:41
jelknersounds good, GFbot 11:41
jelknerlet's talk tuesday11:41
ubuntouristjelkner, Jen's no doctor. So, I'm not trusting her diagnosis of my condition completely.11:41
jelknernrcerna, you too, right?11:41
jelkneri understand, ubuntourist 11:42
jelknermonitor and evaluate11:42
jelknerjust saying, if you start to feel better11:42
nrcernayes jelkner11:42
jelknerokie dokie, i need to head to ACC for the last time for a month11:42
ubuntouristjelkner, I was planning to attempt to follow the 14-day self-quarantine, though some say that's a bit excessive.11:42
jelknerwe will be locked out after today11:42
jelknerwe can talk by phone then, right ubuntourist?11:43
ubuntouristAnd I'll probably go stir crazy before then. 11:43
jelknersince as far as i know, COVID-19 is not transmissable by phone11:43
ubuntouristGimme another day or so to get my throat in working order.11:44

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