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| abuchholz | jelkner, do you have a moment to join https://meet.novawebdevelopment.org/hangout | 13:05 |
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| abuchholz | brb jelkner | 13:24 |
| abuchholz | back jelkner | 13:40 |
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| nrcerna | !remind | 15:13 |
| abuchholz | !remind | 15:13 |
| nrcerna | !remind Check in - Business tracker progress (GFbot) | 15:14 |
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| jelkner | nrcerna, abuchholz, GFbot can you join our hangout conference at 11:30 am? | 15:25 |
| nrcerna | Yes jelkner | 15:25 |
| jelkner | thanks, nrcerna! | 15:25 |
| nrcerna | :) | 15:25 |
| nrcerna | https://meet.novawebdevelopment.org/planning | 15:28 |
| nrcerna | https://meet.novawebdevelopment.org/hangout | 15:30 |
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| nrcerna | https://nea4or.us/ | 15:45 |
| nrcerna | http://66.228.37.15/ | 15:45 |
| abuchholz | AEA Site ^ | 15:45 |
| jelkner | !remind | 15:55 |
| jelkner | !remind Update and plan for LO | 15:56 |
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| jelkner | Good morning, lbolz | 15:57 |
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| jelkner | GM SITarabuta | 15:57 |
| lbolz | good morning! | 15:57 |
| SITarabuta | good morning | 15:58 |
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| jelkner | hello again, ubuntourist | 15:59 |
| @ubuntourist : SITarabuta : lbolz : cmoran : GFbot : nrcerna : abuchholz : +jelkner : wolcen : @ubuntourist[m] : @ChanServ : @mjsir911 | 16:00 | |
| Update and plan for LO (jelkner) | 16:00 | |
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| nrcerna | Good morning! | 16:00 |
| jelkner | Good morning, nrcerna | 16:00 |
| abuchholz | good afternoon | 16:00 |
| nrcerna | Alright, first item: Time to present LO on Agaric's Show and Tell? | 16:01 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION goes for the more neutral time zone independent greeting... | 16:01 |
| nrcerna | jelkner :) | 16:01 |
| ubuntourist | G'day all. | 16:01 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, may i propose a change in the order of items? | 16:01 |
| nrcerna | sure | 16:01 |
| jelkner | 1. Tax forms (real short)! | 16:02 |
| jelkner | 2. Business tracker | 16:02 |
| nrcerna | Ok | 16:02 |
| jelkner | 3. LO | 16:02 |
| ubuntourist | Ah the short form... I've heard of that. ;-) | 16:02 |
| jelkner | 4. Show and Tell | 16:02 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 16:02 |
| nrcerna | thank you jelkner | 16:02 |
| jelkner | so, should i start with tax forms? | 16:03 |
| nrcerna | Ok about tax forms, we are going to do that tomorrow jelkner | 16:03 |
| jelkner | cool | 16:03 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 16:03 |
| nrcerna | Ok | 16:03 |
| nrcerna | next: Business tracker update | 16:03 |
| nrcerna | this is yours GFbot | 16:03 |
| GFbot | Well, we have made good progress this week with the business tracker, we redesign everything and fix issues with the accounts app | 16:04 |
| GFbot | now we use email for the authentication | 16:04 |
| jelkner | GFbot, when will it be ready for sign in and testing? | 16:05 |
| GFbot | we also have a new fixture called "Projects" | 16:05 |
| GFbot | well, im going to have a demo setup for today | 16:05 |
| GFbot | when i meet with Alan | 16:05 |
| jelkner | cool | 16:05 |
| nrcerna | Thanks GFbot | 16:06 |
| GFbot | jelkner | 16:06 |
| jelkner | yes? | 16:06 |
| GFbot | if you are not going be in the meeting | 16:06 |
| jelkner | i can't | 16:06 |
| GFbot | we can have the demo tomorrow | 16:06 |
| GFbot | ? | 16:06 |
| GFbot | for you to test | 16:06 |
| jelkner | great | 16:06 |
| jelkner | let's do that | 16:06 |
| GFbot | 1+ | 16:06 |
| GFbot | ACTION done | 16:07 |
| nrcerna | Ok now: Libree organize | 16:07 |
| jelkner | that's mine | 16:07 |
| nrcerna | yes | 16:07 |
| jelkner | i got an email this morning from ORA | 16:07 |
| jelkner | they met last night and decided not to use LO | 16:08 |
| jelkner | so that impacts our planning | 16:08 |
| SITarabuta | this is so sad | 16:08 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta, can we video conference after to talk more about that? | 16:08 |
| jelkner | anyway | 16:08 |
| SITarabuta | sure | 16:08 |
| jelkner | it means our own site, NOVALACIRO, and AEA are the current targets | 16:09 |
| jelkner | and we need to decide whether to got ahead with NEA4ORA | 16:09 |
| jelkner | oops | 16:09 |
| jelkner | NEA4OR | 16:09 |
| jelkner | let's video conference after to talk about that | 16:09 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 16:09 |
| nrcerna | Thanks jelkner | 16:10 |
| nrcerna | the last item: time to present LO on Agaric's Show and Tell? | 16:10 |
| jelkner | me again | 16:10 |
| jelkner | ok, this is a two parter | 16:10 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, do we have the capacity to record our video conferences? | 16:10 |
| jelkner | the demo SITarabuta abuchholz ubuntourist and i gave last monday was really good | 16:11 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, as near as I can tell, not in any "normal" way: | 16:11 |
| jelkner | i only realized after that my biggest regret was we didn't have a recording | 16:11 |
| SITarabuta | haha i thought of that | 16:12 |
| SITarabuta | i recorded it ;) | 16:12 |
| jelkner | since for marketing purposes, we will be doing lots of demos | 16:12 |
| jelkner | and we need to learn to do them well | 16:12 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, The recommendation is for "yet another server" and one with more muscle, to set up the native jitsi recording capability. | 16:12 |
| jelkner | recording would really help | 16:12 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, I gather that there are ways around that, but I don't know how well they work. | 16:12 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, the saying goes "you can't make money without spending money" | 16:12 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, learning curve: Steep. | 16:13 |
| jelkner | ouch | 16:13 |
| jelkner | ok, that is disappointing | 16:13 |
| jelkner | anyway, i'll move on to the next, related part | 16:13 |
| ubuntourist | OK. Well, if more money is being thrown at the problem I'll look at the recommended minimum cost for a recording server. | 16:13 |
| jelkner | if we want customers, we are going to need to be do demos, recorded or not | 16:13 |
| jelkner | please, ubuntourist | 16:14 |
| jelkner | it would be worth it | 16:14 |
| jelkner | anyway, reaching out to fellow cooperators is going to be crucial for our success | 16:14 |
| ubuntourist | Given that, I'll take down the Big Blue Button experiment first. | 16:14 |
| jelkner | and the wonderful folks at agaric are the place to start | 16:14 |
| jelkner | they are a great group of people | 16:15 |
| jelkner | kind, dedicated, generous | 16:15 |
| jelkner | they run this weekly video conference called show and tell | 16:15 |
| jelkner | it was originally setup to share tech stuff internally | 16:15 |
| jelkner | among their developers | 16:15 |
| jelkner | but, in the spirit of cooperation, they thought, why not open it up to everyone? | 16:16 |
| jelkner | they are a drupal shop | 16:16 |
| jelkner | so our tech doesn't align | 16:16 |
| jelkner | but they do use some django apparently | 16:16 |
| jelkner | anyway, they are trying to build the platform cooperative movement | 16:16 |
| jelkner | so we could approach them about doing a show and tell | 16:17 |
| jelkner | to let folks know what we are up to | 16:17 |
| ubuntourist | Do they host their own Jitsi server or are they doing meet.jit.si? | 16:17 |
| jelkner | it would be a next opportunity to demo | 16:17 |
| jelkner | they use meet.jit.si | 16:17 |
| ubuntourist | And, in your rough estimate, how big was the audience? | 16:17 |
| jelkner | a demo to a friendly audience | 16:17 |
| jelkner | 20 | 16:17 |
| jelkner | if varies week to week | 16:18 |
| ubuntourist | Thanks, jelkner. All about the numbers. ;-) | 16:18 |
| jelkner | i make a point of joining last summer | 16:18 |
| jelkner | lol | 16:18 |
| jelkner | it is always 11 am on wednesday | 16:18 |
| jelkner | so i couldn't do it while a work | 16:18 |
| jelkner | but now i can again | 16:18 |
| jelkner | so, let's continue that on video conference as well | 16:19 |
| jelkner | but i am asking the dev team to let me know when they would want to present | 16:19 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 16:19 |
| nrcerna | OK | 16:19 |
| nrcerna | ACTION drops the bag of gravel | 16:19 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION has three tidbits. | 16:19 |
| ubuntourist | Oh. | 16:19 |
| jelkner | pick it up again, nrcerna | 16:20 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION picks up the bag | 16:20 |
| ubuntourist | I'll be brief: | 16:20 |
| ubuntourist | 1. Our Jitsi meet hung up yesterday. Evidence points to a Java memory leak. My hope is a daily restart of the Jitsi services will | 16:21 |
| ubuntourist | mitigate but not cure the problem. And Java is a PITA. (Pain In The Ass) | 16:21 |
| ubuntourist | 2. I wrote a development Markdown file that I hope is roughly accurate. SITarabuta, abuchholz have you glanced? | 16:22 |
| ubuntourist | (It's now out on GitLab with some corrections) | 16:22 |
| SITarabuta | yup. i like it, a lot | 16:22 |
| abuchholz | +1 | 16:23 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, OK, So it's accurate enough. I wanted verification of that before continuing. | 16:23 |
| ubuntourist | 3. I'm slowly slogging through LDAP, but leaving the incorporating of Jitsi Meet into LO to others. abuchholz SITarabuta zOnny | 16:25 |
| ubuntourist | that was a relatively quick thing, right? I think you said it was done. Just checking. No rush. | 16:25 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, do you want us to continue testing Jitsi? | 16:25 |
| jelkner | i was thinking we needed to keep hitting on it | 16:25 |
| jelkner | to see how it holds up | 16:26 |
| SITarabuta | it is on the local branch ubuntourist | 16:26 |
| jelkner | is that true? | 16:26 |
| SITarabuta | didn't push | 16:26 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, good question. I don't know. It was holding up well until it ... didn't. | 16:26 |
| jelkner | wanted to know, ubuntourist, if i should be encouraging primes, like cmoran here | 16:26 |
| jelkner | to use it | 16:26 |
| jelkner | with friends, family, colleagues, etc | 16:27 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, that's why we need to keep banging on it, right? | 16:27 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, So the question becomes, with further testing, how are we collecting data? It worked. It didn't. It did. | 16:27 |
| jelkner | to see when and where it breaks | 16:27 |
| jelkner | i assumed logs | 16:27 |
| jelkner | that's what unix does | 16:27 |
| jelkner | i reported the error | 16:28 |
| jelkner | and you went in and found what happened | 16:28 |
| jelkner | if that doesn't work, then hitting on it is useless | 16:28 |
| jelkner | that's why i'm asking | 16:28 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, I posted the logs of the failure in the GitLab issue... If anyone can make heads or tails, PLEASE do! I cannot. | 16:28 |
| jelkner | fair enough | 16:28 |
| jelkner | so, in summary | 16:28 |
| ubuntourist | (Beyond there is a memory leak. Why? How? No clue.) | 16:28 |
| jelkner | we need a Java dev or we can't do this | 16:29 |
| jelkner | i didn't think Java could leak memory | 16:29 |
| jelkner | so i'm confused | 16:29 |
| SITarabuta | it is not java's fault | 16:29 |
| jelkner | anyway, we're outta time | 16:29 |
| ubuntourist | Yeah. That's why I've been trying to learn the raw WebRTC tech so that I can avoid a dependence on Java. | 16:29 |
| SITarabuta | it is jitsi | 16:29 |
| jelkner | should we move to planning to continue? | 16:29 |
| jelkner | we are getting in the weeds | 16:29 |
| ubuntourist | OK. Switching... | 16:30 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, don't forget to drop the bag ;-) | 16:30 |
| jelkner | ACTION grabs the bag of gravel from ubuntourist and drops it | 16:30 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION redrops the baf. | 16:30 |
| nrcerna | ACTION drops the bag of gravel | 16:31 |
| ubuntourist | s/baf/bag/ | 16:31 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, please join us | 16:31 |
| jelkner | GFbot, zOnny you too | 16:31 |
| GFbot | where? jelkner | 16:31 |
| abuchholz | https://meet.novawebdevelopment.org/planning | 16:31 |
| jelkner | zOnny, can you join us? | 16:32 |
| nrcerna | jelkner, Edzon is sick he is going to get some medicine | 16:33 |
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| nrcerna | jelkner, Im going to send you a report at the end of the day of what we worked this week | 17:42 |
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| nrcerna | ACTION away | 18:32 |
| nrcerna | ACTION back | 19:01 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, can you please meet me, stefan and adrian on planning? | 19:34 |
| nrcerna | Now jelkner ? | 19:39 |
| jelkner | yes | 19:39 |
| nrcerna | we are working on something we are going to do for BT but I can go a couple of minutes | 19:40 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, can you? | 19:40 |
| jelkner | please | 19:40 |
| jelkner | very important | 19:40 |
| nrcerna | ACTION Away | 19:59 |
| nrcerna | ACTION back | 20:11 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off for the day | 23:01 |
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