IRC log of #novawebdev for Thursday, 2020-06-25

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inana_16jelkner, where are you?10:07
jelknerinana_16, i'm talking on the phone with heylin10:08
inana_16Oh10:09
jelknerinana_16, hrodriguez and i are on hangout10:14
jelknercan you join us?10:14
inana_16sure10:18
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inana_16!remind10:49
jelkner!remind10:51
jelknerFiguring out OpenCollective10:52
jelkner!remind Figuring out OpenCollective10:52
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abuchholz!remind11:05
inana_16jelkner urbackmk@gmail.com11:18
inana_16Meghan Urback11:19
inana_16!remind Invoice for Agaric and  Colorado Independent Drivers United 11:25
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jelkner!remind11:28
jelkner!remind Get Paypal infor to Clayton11:30
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SITarabuta!remind11:51
SITarabuta!remove Business Tracker has a *lot* of potential11:51
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inana_16!remind11:52
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inana_16did you remove the first item SITarabuta ?11:53
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SITarabutayep, there isn't time for that yet11:53
inana_16are you sure?11:53
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SITarabutabecause i have lot of work11:53
SITarabutayep11:53
inana_16Okay11:53
inana_16I was excited about it :( SITarabuta 11:53
SITarabutawell11:54
SITarabutaI will talk about it at the end11:54
inana_16Great!11:54
SITarabuta!remind11:54
SITarabuta!remind Business Tracker has a *lot* of potential11:55
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ubuntouristSITarabuta, potential vs. kinetic? ;-)11:55
SITarabutapotential ;)11:56
inana_16Hello everyone!12:00
jelknerGood morning!12:00
SITarabuta!cronforce12:00
@ubuntourist : SLewis : amina : SITarabuta : GFbot : zOnny : abuchholz : inana_16 : +jelkner : @mjsir911 : @ChanServ : wolcen12:00
Get Paypal infor to Clayton (jelkner)12:00
Business Tracker has a *lot* of potential (SITarabuta)12:00
inana_16Little brother is having issues again :(12:00
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abuchholzlets begin either stefan or I will look into it12:01
inana_16Sure12:01
inana_16Ok I think this meeting is going to be brief12:01
inana_16first item: We need a better way to keep private business information (inana_16)12:01
inana_16Well as you know, yesterday we had a *lot* of issues related to our organization, information and financial stuff12:02
abuchholz+112:02
inana_16and it was really annoying for all of us 12:03
abuchholzI really believe that business tracker would be a great place to put a lot of this info12:03
inana_16+112:03
abuchholzstefan is swamped so maybe I can look into it12:03
jelkner+112:03
inana_16Amazing12:03
ubuntouristPostgreSQL has encryption built in...12:03
inana_16I think we are in the same page regarding that, that's nice12:03
ubuntouristI mean, it has functions for encryption and decryption.12:03
inana_16Thanks ubuntourist 12:04
inana_16ACTION done12:04
ubuntourist(And there are also Python packages that do that too.)12:04
ubuntouristACTION is done12:05
inana_16:)12:05
inana_16Next item: Figuring out OpenCollective (jelkner)12:05
inana_16I think that's the main task you're going to focus on today, right jelkner ?12:05
jelknerI'm on this12:06
jelknersorry for the delay12:06
inana_16no problem12:06
jelknerthey are moving me over to the #support slack channel now12:06
inana_16I see12:06
jelkneri'll spend today working on this12:06
abuchholzgreat12:07
inana_16Great12:07
jelknerthe big thing is that OpenCollective replaces our need for a 501c312:07
jelknerfor LibreOrganize and BusinessTracker12:07
jelkner*thats* its main benefit to us12:07
jelknerit is our fiscal host12:07
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jelknerso we don't incur the time and expense of setting up a non-profit12:07
jelknerfor online fund raising12:08
ubuntourist? I thought they wanted us to assign a fiscal host ?12:08
jelknerthey do that for us12:08
jelknermore later, ubuntourist 12:08
ubuntouristOK.12:08
jelkneri'm chatting directly with them now12:08
inana_16Thanks for the update jelkner 12:08
inana_16Next item: Invoice for Agaric and Colorado Independent Drivers United 12:09
inana_16Okay maybe you saw I mentioned this on discord SITarabuta 12:09
SITarabutahmm12:09
SITarabutayes12:10
inana_16I just reached Clayton and I asked him for the required fields we need to fill12:10
inana_16So one question12:10
inana_16the on the Agaric's one who should be the contact name?12:10
SITarabutaoh12:11
SITarabutai kbow12:11
inana_16I mean I know that you've been email with someone from Agaric12:11
SITarabutaknow*12:11
SITarabuta Benjamin Melançon 12:11
inana_16But I don't remember the name 12:11
inana_16Nice12:11
SITarabuta<ben@agaric.com> 12:11
inana_16Thank you, we need the other information as well, I'm going to ask him about it ;)12:12
inana_16ACTION done12:12
SITarabutaACTION done12:13
inana_16since Jeff is not here, I'm not sure about the next item12:13
inana_16"Get Paypal information to Clayton" 12:14
SITarabutaIf we get OpenCollective working12:14
SITarabutawe don't have to do that12:14
abuchholz+112:14
SITarabutaI don't know yet, let's wait12:14
inana_16+112:14
inana_16Okay12:14
inana_16So next item: 12:15
inana_16Business Tracker has a *lot* of potential12:15
SITarabutaWell12:15
SITarabutaI will get shut off by jelkner12:15
inana_16ACTION excited about this ;)12:15
inana_16oh12:15
SITarabutabut my goodness I have the whole stack in my mind and I know exactly how to do this12:15
SITarabutaso Business Tracker is open source12:15
SITarabutabut what if we offered it as SaaS12:15
SITarabutahonestly.12:15
abuchholz+112:16
SITarabutawe could be the good guys :D12:16
SITarabutaI don't wanna talk for 30 minutes to then get shut off12:16
SITarabutaSo I will just wait for jelkner's input12:16
abuchholzwell12:16
SITarabutaACTION done12:16
ubuntouristMy input:12:17
ubuntouristSaaS will require a very responsive support team. 12:17
SITarabutahmm maybe if we make it cheap we can get away with saying support is limited or something12:18
ubuntouristIf we're offering to partners in different time zones, be prepared to be awake and responsive when something's not working.12:18
SITarabutaoh well, ubuntourist has a good point12:18
ubuntouristI won't get into the politics and philosophy. I'll leave that to you-know-who. I'm just talking about the pragmatic challenges.12:19
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inana_16I see12:19
ubuntouristSITarabuta, So, in big, bold letters, DISCLAIMER: LIMITED SUPPORT... ;-)12:20
ubuntouristACTION is done12:20
SITarabuta:-)12:20
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inana_16We can talk about this later I guess ;)12:20
inana_16So...12:21
inana_16anything else?12:21
ubuntouristACTION raises hand12:21
inana_16:) ubuntourist 12:21
inana_16ACTION waiting for ubuntourist 12:22
ubuntouristSound Advice - I walked zOnny through setting up the Pac-u-lator (name chosen by "Hurricane" Flint). ;-)12:22
abuchholzI also have some questions but ill wait till ubuntourist is done12:22
ubuntouristAnd, after much fussing, I got the main "Sound Advice" code working in a virtual machine.12:23
zOnnyI also have some questions but I will wait till abuchholz is done12:23
ubuntouristNow, I need to figure out what's changed between 18.04 and 20.04 to break stuff.12:23
ubuntouristBut at least, I can see my old code running again.12:24
ubuntouristACTION is done12:24
abuchholzalright12:24
abuchholzcool. so what do we need to save in this app for information12:24
abuchholzpasswords12:24
abuchholzcredit information?12:24
abuchholzanything else?12:24
SITarabutaabuchholz i am pretty sure12:24
SITarabutayou will be able to save all of this12:24
SITarabutain the projects app im doing12:25
abuchholzok12:25
SITarabutabut you can have a try at it ;)12:25
abuchholzwell I have to catch up on func tests for libreorganize which will probably take the next couple of days but i am happy to help if you need it stefan12:25
inana_16and some notes as Security questions, that's what we already have in our Passwords spreadsheet abuchholz 12:25
jelkneri'm  back12:26
jelknerreading log now12:26
jelknerSITarabuta, inana_16 can we talk after?12:26
abuchholzok. i mean it sounds like stefan has this handled. it would be nice if he didn't refuse help 12:26
inana_16sure jelkner 12:26
SITarabutayes  jelkner12:26
jelknerwe need to get Clayton payment info today12:26
SITarabutaxD abuchholz12:27
abuchholz<#12:27
inana_16right SITarabuta lol12:27
abuchholz<312:27
inana_16abuchholz*12:27
SITarabutai am a lone wolf12:27
abuchholzalright I think zOnny wanted to ask some things12:27
SITarabutadon't touch my junk!12:27
abuchholzand then we can wrap up12:27
inana_16poor abuchholz12:27
inana_16he wants to help you SITarabuta 12:27
inana_16;)12:27
zOnnynvm I can ask them later12:28
abuchholzdon't touch mine either stefan ;)12:28
SITarabuta*woof*12:28
abuchholz**Hiss**12:28
inana_16lol12:28
inana_16Okay, are we done know?12:28
ubuntouristACTION munches the popcorn...12:28
abuchholzyeah think so12:28
abuchholzwe can continue some discussion on hangout12:29
inana_16+112:29
SITarabutaACTION pops a non-diet Coke12:29
inana_16ACTION Drops the bag of gravel12:29
inana_16Thank you everyone!12:29
jelknergreat meeting!12:29
jelknerlet's chat on hangout12:29
inana_16+112:29
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jelknerubuntourist, ping13:49
jelkneri tried $ ssh jelkner@mayfirst.org13:50
jelknerusing the password that i use to login to horde13:50
jelknerpermission denied13:50
inana_16jelkner, the first amount that we are going to invoice CIDU is 1.5k right? as first part payment for this project13:50
inana_16?13:51
jelkner+113:51
inana_16Okay that should be the invoice detail as well, right? 13:51
inana_16"first part payment for CIDU's website development" jelkner 13:52
inana_16I'm just double checking all this before I create the invoice13:52
inana_16jelkner13:52
jelknerubuntourist, i found it13:55
jelkneri'm on daza13:55
inana_16jelkner, Do you have 2 mins?14:12
jelknersure inana_16 14:12
jelknerwhat's up?14:12
inana_16just want to show you the draft 14:12
jelknerdraft?14:13
inana_16invoice draft14:13
jelknerfor what?14:13
inana_16https://meet.novawebdevelopment.org/planning}14:13
inana_16https://meet.novawebdevelopment.org/planning14:13
jelkneri can't14:13
jelkneri don't have the laptop that works with jitsi14:14
jelknerzOnny is using the table14:14
jelknerdo what you think is best14:14
jelkneri trust you14:14
inana_16Ok, I'm going to send you on an email,14:14
inana_16mmmm14:14
inana_16you need to double check this14:14
inana_16I'm sure of it14:14
inana_16jelkner14:14
jelknerok, but you are going to have to get comfortable making these calls on your own soon14:15
jelkneri go back to school14:15
jelknerbusiness needs to flow14:15
jelkneryou'll be driving!14:15
jelknersend me the email14:15
jelkneri'll look14:15
jelknerlet's talk about why you had doubts14:16
jelknerso you can learn what you need to make the call on your own later14:16
jelknersound good?14:16
inana_16I know :(14:16
inana_16That's why I need Louie here :(14:16
jelknerLet's hope he joins us14:16
inana_16I can not do all that alone, and you know that14:16
inana_16jelkner14:16
inana_16I mean, I try14:17
jelkneryou succeed, inana_16!14:17
jelkneryou're doing great14:17
jelkneran so is NOVA Web because of that14:17
jelknersend me the email14:18
inana_16I did it already14:18
inana_16jelkner14:18
jelkneri need to try to collect on the Arlington Admins14:18
jelknerand learn OpenCollective14:18
jelknerso, inana_16, why the doubt?14:19
jelknerlooks perfect to me.14:19
inana_16Thanks God!14:19
inana_16Ok, I'm going to send it to Clayton right now14:19
inana_16jelkner, thanks for double checking14:20
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SITarabutai hate this web client14:21
jelknerubuntourist, i know you're not a fan of irc, but it really beats email for things like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldHhUBlVjig14:24
jelknerI got on social.coop and boosted like you said14:24
jelkneri also subscribed to the YouTube channel and gave it a boost there.14:24
inana_16I was thinking that you can add it to our post jelkner ;)14:25
jelknerinana_16, we should link to this from the LibreOrganize site, yes?14:25
inana_16and send it to Trebor and the people you know ;)14:25
inana_16Yeah14:25
jelknerWill do14:25
inana_16it could be there as well14:25
jelknernext week14:25
inana_16It would be a great idea to create a discussion on Canvas as well14:26
inana_16jelkner14:26
jelknerI see a blog post titled "Principle 6: Cooperation among Cooperators14:26
inana_16Interesting14:27
jelknerwith profound gratitude to Micky, Clayton, and the rest of the wonderful folks at Agaric14:27
jelknerhttps://www.ica.coop/en/cooperatives/cooperative-identity14:27
jelknerbtw, inana_16 this is the international organization i was mentioning to you and heyling this morning14:27
jelknerand this page lists the 7 principles14:28
jelknerwe need to get all our members to at least learn them14:28
jelknerby heart ;-)14:28
inana_16https://www.ica.coop/en/become-a-member14:29
inana_16jelkner14:29
inana_16they have membership types14:29
jelknerso let's wait a bit, inana_16 14:29
jelknerfirst let's finish USFWC, and Tech Worker Coop Network14:30
jelknerbtw. Did you see the email from Tech Worker Coop Network?14:30
inana_16sure, we have that progress going now14:30
inana_16Yeah, they we're confused right? because I sent the correct info jelkner 14:31
inana_16Now she knows that she needs to reach me as well, you  mentioned that jelkner 14:31
ubuntouristjelkner, To me, IRC is like twitter and mastodon: Lots of little trees that quickly get lost in the forest.14:42
ubuntouristjelkner, OK for ads, and current conversations. Horrible for most other things.14:43
ubuntouristI'm in your brother's camp when it comes to reading through IRC logs... I'd rather clean a toilet with a toothbrush.14:44
ubuntouristI cannot sort, classify, edit, delete, or otherwise organize an IRC log into anything coherent.14:44
ubuntouristI had asked for the output of your "pwd" but, IRC ruins attention span (or those without an attention span prefer it).14:47
inana_16So, the first: https://gitlab.com/libreorganize/libreorganize/-/issues/175 , German is going to add it to the LibreOrganize navbar, share it and find where to place it, it would be a task for us this week ubuntourist 14:48
inana_16I mean, jelkner and I14:48
inana_16:D14:48
inana_16brb14:48
inana_16ACTION away14:48
inana_16ACTION back15:27
inana_16 : +jelkner : @mjsir911 : @ChanServ : wolcen16:00
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jelknerinana_16, ping17:46
inana_16hello jelkner 17:46
inana_16jelkner, done!17:51
jelknerinana_16, just added it to our calendar17:56
inana_16nice17:56
inana_16thanks17:56
inana_16So, I think I'm done for today jelkner 17:56
inana_16I'm going to sign off, see you ;) jelkner17:57
jelknerSounds good, Nana17:57
jelknerHasta tomorrow17:57
inana_16see u tomorrow17:57
jelknerACTION logs off for the evening19:22

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