IRC log of #novawebdev for Tuesday, 2020-07-28

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ubuntouristjelkner, I'm having a dark and surly morning. Can't stay awake, can't sleep.11:21
ubuntouristjelkner, You have a Mac around the house, right? Since ACPS is all Mac-happy...11:23
ubuntouristACTION wanders away for a an hour or two... (maybe less)11:40
jelknerubuntourist, i do have a mac13:08
jelknerit is my school issued computer13:08
jelknerhow can i put it to use for you, ubuntourist?13:09
ubuntouristACTION returns, still dark, still surly...13:38
ubuntouristjelkner, Just wondering if you would be so kind as to do a quick test. See e-mail to Caleb. Two pip installs, and a few lines of code. And a WAV file.13:40
ubuntouristjelkner, Trying to determine if his sound issue is a ubiquitous Mac problem or something fixable.13:42
ubuntouristjelkner, (I used a small WAV file I had on my system. The other possible source of trouble -- though I doubt it -- is a wonky WAV file on Caleb's system.)13:43
jelknerubuntourist, why not try that first13:44
jelkneri was about to ask you where to get toolvox.wav?13:44
ubuntouristjelkner, He says that for him, playing the sound once is okay. Asking it to repeat, the sound degrades with each trip through the loop.13:45
jelknerseems if we want to debug audio, we should standardize the file we are playing13:45
jelknerwhy does caleb need audio?13:45
ubuntouristBecause GASP has a Sound().13:45
jelkneri haven't ever used that13:47
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jelkneri'm installing pipenv with brew13:48
jelknerso i can isolate the environment13:48
inana_16GM jelkner13:48
jelknerGM inana_16 13:49
jelknerinana_16, i'm on planning13:49
ubuntouristjelkner, Yeah, I figured you'd do a virtual environment. (I did pipenv myself, but didn't want to necessarily get into that w/ Caleb. So, the "--user" seemed good 'nuf.)13:49
ubuntouristjelkner, I sent the toolvox.wav to you both -- though I find it highly unlikely that it's the source of trouble. (Maybe there's a size limit and he was using a honkin' big WAV file, but other than that...)13:50
jelknerubuntourist, i need to take care of payroll today, so i'll dedicate 30 more minutes to this and then ask Caleb to work on something else instead13:58
jelkneri get an ffmpeg warning when i try to import * from pydub13:59
jelknerproceeding ignoring the warning13:59
jelknerit all worked for me14:02
ubuntouristjelkner, the documentation suggests if you're using MP3s you need additional steps involving ffmpeg (which I mentioned in my 1st message). Hence the choice of a .WAV file which shouldn't need ffmpeg. Or so the theory goes.14:02
ubuntouristjelkner, good news then. Thanks for playing. ;-)14:02
jelknertoolbox from voxware toolbox from voxware14:02
jelknergently fading away14:02
jelknerinana_16, i'm ready14:04
jelknercan we meet back on planning, inana_16?14:04
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jelknerubuntourist, Stefan-Inout is demoing a free software Java tool for GPG signing a document.15:25
jelknerubuntourist, i figured you would want to see that, so he will be pasting the link here shortly15:25
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SITarabutaHello hello15:25
ubuntouristJava? Gag me with a spoon. ;-)15:26
SITarabutaJSignPDF is an open source PDF signing tool:
SITarabutaIt is Java so it gives me dizziness and slight depression15:26
ubuntouristI thought GPG was a free software tool for signing documents. ;-)15:26
jelknerCommon now, ubuntourist, it's free software *and* it's portable15:26
SITarabutaMight consult a therapist, but it WORKS15:26
ubuntourist"$ gpg --sign document.doc" ;-)15:28
SITarabutaYeah, but it won't mess with the PDF metadata and add ourselves there15:29
SITarabutait is just doing signing15:29
ubuntouristPlus that, doesn't PDF have a signature feature of its own that is already built into LibreOffice? 15:30
ubuntourist"gpg --detached-sign document.pdf" creates a... wait for it... detatched signature, which doesn't mess with the original file...15:31
ubuntouristI think I must be missing the point here....15:35
SITarabutaI am not exactly 100% sure how it works, but I do know that LibreOffice only offers PDF signing and GPG only generic signing. We need both. We could use them separately, but is a JAR file that evil ;)15:40
ubuntouristIt's on SourceForge, which doesn't have the greatest reputation -- though that may have changed. I found
ubuntouristBut Python has GPG packages too... Never looked to see if Django does.15:43
ubuntouristIt's sort of like jelkner and IRC: I'm not quite seeing the need for a tool that obfuscates another tool. 15:44
jelknerubuntourist, can you and SITarabuta work this out?15:45
ubuntouristSITarabuta, can you sign a PDF and send it to me? Maybe seeing would give me a clue as to what's different about this.15:45
jelkneri was saying that the test for me would be, can ubuntourist get inana_16 to sign the document the way we want?15:46
jelknerif the answer is "yes", then it works.15:46
jelknerthe idea that "signings" will contain meta data about when, where, and why is also a big plus15:46
jelknerthe idea i guess of any "signing" is a verifiable affirmation15:47
ubuntouristACTION is skimming to see what the fuss is about.15:48
jelknerSITarabuta, can you please join me back on planning?15:51
ubuntouristjelkner, Watch the video at and tell me if you think that's "simple".15:53
ubuntouristMeanwhile, for a short video explaining how to write a simple Python program that creates and verifies OpenSSL (RSA) signatures...16:04
jelknerubuntourist, can you please join us on planning?17:38
jelknerwe are talking about National Hospital, which is becoming a huge problem17:39
ubuntouristNope, busy with Gallaudet stuff.17:39
jelknerok, but i need to email rick and request that *all* communication from here on come through you and me17:40
jelknerso before i send that email17:40
jelkneri'd like to talk with you17:40
jelknerubuntourist, later17:40
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GFbotjelkner hello18:33
GFbotare you there?18:33
jelknerI can't talk now, GFbot 18:35
jelknerlet's talk tomorrow morning18:35
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ubuntouristjelkner, I had to crash. I'm awake once more...20:32
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ubuntouristACTION is now busy with an electronics printed circuit board (PCB) design class...20:59
jelknerinana_16, ping21:48
jelknerinana_16, can you please encourage zOnny to attend Show and Tell tomorrow?21:49
jelknerI'm taking Roxana to the airport at that time, so I can't21:49
jelknerbesides, it's about Drupal, so I really don't have the time21:49
inana_16I see, Ok i'll tell him21:50
jelknerbut if zOnny is thinking of working with Drupal, he should attend21:50
jelknerthnx, inana_16!21:50
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jelknerzOnny, can you attend Show and Tell tomorrow?21:58
jelknerinana_16, i just called Joselyn and left a message21:59
jelknerinana_16, i'm not going to try to handle it now, but please keep in mind as we move forward21:59
jelknerthat we need a system for logging partner communications21:59
zOnnyjelkner k21:59
jelknerwhen i called Joselyn, it should be entered in a log21:59
jelknerThat's really what a CMS (as in Customer Relations Management) system does22:00
zOnny@jelkner  ok22:00
jelkneri can hear sitarabuta complaining already22:00
jelknerbut over time, and with careful thought, we might want business tracker to hold that info22:01
jelknerone step at a time22:01
jelknerbut once we have lots of partners and regular contacts, we need to log them22:01
jelknerinana_16, make sense?22:01
jelknerzOnny, i just made you manager on a bunch of our domains22:02
jelknerzOnny, and removed replaceafill and mjsir911 22:02
zOnnyjelkner are u crazy?22:03
jelkneryes, zOnny, why do you ask?22:03
inana_16Congrats zOnny!22:03
jelknerinana_16, since we don't have any system yet, let's try to remind each other to follow up again with Joselyn in a few weeks22:04
jelknerif we don't hear from her22:04
jelkneri left a message22:04
jelkner(a looong one :-(22:05
jelknerso i think she will call back22:05
zOnnyjelkner Did u grant the domains to the right username? because I didn't get the confirmation22:10
jelkneryou should have received invites22:10
zOnny@jelkner They must be on the way then22:14
jelknerinana_16, zOnny email sent to rick23:12
inana_16Yeah I just read it23:13
inana_16zOnny and GFbot are working on the Claudia Jones23:13
jelknerACTION signs off for the night23:36

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