IRC log of #novawebdev for Thursday, 2020-07-30

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inana_16!remind14:35
inana_16!remind Talk about pricing with Louie14:37
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inana_16!remind Check in financial stuff with Jeff14:40
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inana_16GM lelkneralfaro 14:41
lelkneralfaroGM inana_16 14:47
lelkneralfaroinana_16, sorry I stepped away to make my bed14:48
inana_16No problem :)14:48
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lelkneralfaro hi inana_16 would it be possible to meet before our meeting today?15:00
inana_16Sure, I'm on planning15:01
inana_16lelkneralfaro15:01
inana_16Oh, sorry Is hangout15:03
inana_16https://meet.novawebdevelopment.org/hangout lelkneralfaro 15:03
lelkneralfarookay I'll join you15:03
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jelkner!remind15:19
abuchholz!remind15:20
lelkneralfaroinana_16, cambiamos a un chat solo para vos y yo? si queres seguir platicando?15:40
inana_16Está bien, solo voy a pegar las apps ahorita15:40
inana_16lelkneralfaro, creo que debemos quedarnos en hangout 15:40
lelkneralfarookay +115:40
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lelkneralfaroinana_16, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vhgM3kujoKbk7TkW8uv4-PZzZjEVJmep00O75S2nCs0/edit15:47
jelknerGFbot, can you please join inana_16 and lelkneralfaro on hangout?15:51
jelknerthey are discussing the price list15:51
jelknerand could use your help15:51
GFbotplanning?15:51
jelknerno, hangnout15:51
inana_16!remind15:55
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SITarabutaOh yes, just on time15:59
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SITarabuta!remind Meetings - argh15:59
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jelknerindeed, SITarabuta 15:59
PAldea : SITarabuta : GFbot : +jelkner : abuchholz : lelkneralfaro : inana_16 : @ChanServ : wolcen : @mjsir91116:00
inana_16sweet SITarabuta 16:00
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inana_16Hello everyone!16:00
jelknergm16:00
lelkneralfarohello16:00
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SITarabutaGoooo' Mornin' fellas16:00
SITarabutalol16:00
inana_16;)16:00
ubuntouristLosing track... Thank technology for alarm pop-ups.16:01
SITarabutaI am trying to spice it up a bit16:01
inana_16Alright, I added to items to the agenda, but I think we did cover it16:01
inana_16in our side conversation on Hangouts16:01
lelkneralfaroinana_16, yes I think those are covered16:02
jelknerinana_16, please remember our operating agreement requires us to keep meeting notes16:02
inana_16the other item that I wanted to talk about is this : https://mattermost.com/trial/16:02
jelknerwe automate that process with LittleBrother16:02
inana_16again, trying to understand how to proceed16:02
jelknerso we should state for the record whatever we decided in the video chat16:02
ubuntouristSharing with those who missed class is a good idea...16:02
jelknerzOnny, don't forget to sign in16:03
inana_16I'm going to forward that email to ubuntourist and zOnny maybe they can help me with that16:03
ubuntouristACTION speaks as someone who missed class. 16:03
SITarabutaubuntourist same16:03
inana_16Ok, 16:03
inana_16first item: Talk about pricing with Louie16:03
inana_16we started a document on next cloud with the new pricing list16:04
jelknerACTION has been nagging about this for awhile16:04
jelknerwe can't generate revenue if we don't know what we charge!16:04
jelknerso i'm glad to see the conversation taking place16:04
jelkneri request that we get a price list for basic websites back on our website16:05
jelknerACTION done16:05
inana_16so you can go to our NWD document folder and you'll find it as "price list"16:05
jelknerinana_16, it should be on our website too16:05
inana_16lelkneralfaro, shared this as well16:05
inana_16https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vhgM3kujoKbk7TkW8uv4-PZzZjEVJmep00O75S2nCs0/edit?usp=sharing16:05
jelknerso anyone can find it16:05
inana_16the old documentation we had about that16:06
inana_16so I think is going to be really helpful16:06
ubuntouristNot migrating to mayfirst?16:06
jelknerwe are, ubuntourist 16:06
jelknerjust little by little16:06
jelkneras zOnny suggested16:06
SITarabutaalso, please name stuff clearly (we are over the date 8 char limit and over Windows' 260)16:06
ubuntouristNe'er mind then. ;-)16:07
inana_16That's an old document that lelkneralfaro and replaceafill created16:07
jelknerleave the old junk where it was16:07
jelknerand bring over only what we need16:07
jelknerso we don't drown in the old crap16:07
SITarabutawasn't that me jelkner LOL16:07
jelknerSITarabuta, it was zOnny 16:07
jelknerbut maybe you to16:07
jelknerhe reminded us to keep things simple16:07
inana_16+116:07
jelknerwhen inana_16 and jelkner were about to make them complicated16:07
SITarabuta+116:08
inana_16+10016:08
inana_16lol16:08
inana_16Okay, we're messy I guess jelkner 16:08
inana_16Next item:16:08
inana_16Check in financial stuff with Jeff16:09
ubuntouristWe have different ideas on "simple". Remembering "old documents are over there while new documents are over here" has gotten us in trouble before.16:09
jelknerok, this is the last meeting in july16:09
ubuntouristThe usual response being "I'm a bear of small brain and can't remember where we put stuff."16:09
ubuntouristACTION is done.16:09
jelknerwe are ok financially for the end of month payments16:10
jelknerso now august is the big test16:10
jelknerwe need a minimum of $6K in august to stay afloat16:10
jelknerso we need to begin now thinking about how to generate that revenue16:10
jelknerhere are the main things we need to do:16:11
jelkner1. get our price list together16:11
ubuntouristMay need to apply pressure to David / Christian re Sound Advice state of contract... it keeps getting kicked down the road a bit.16:11
jelkner2. bring closure to projects we are working on and invoicing them16:11
jelkner3. look for new projects16:11
jelknerubuntourist, i read that we have a contract on that already16:12
jelknerthe one zOnny signed last july16:12
jelkneris still in force16:12
jelknerit includes 100 hours between now and oct 116:12
jelknerand 100 hours after oct 116:13
jelknerso let's get some work done for david16:13
jelknerand send him the invoice16:13
abuchholzI have been working on SoundAdvice16:13
jelknerwe don't need a new contract16:13
abuchholzWe met on Tuesday and David gave me a good idea of what he wanted 16:13
jelknerabuchholz, it is really important that we decide if PAldea and you are the team on this16:14
jelkneri talked with PAldea this morning16:14
ubuntouristjelkner, technically, yes, but I thought the conversation with him indicated that there was some sort of wiggling necessary to bill. I guess we should try sending an invoice sometime soon and see what happens.16:14
jelkner+116:14
abuchholzI have started working on several of these things, but Kevin, Paul, and I will eventually need to work with the physical equipment.16:14
jelknerthat's exactly what we should do, ubuntourist 16:14
jelknerACTION done16:15
inana_16Thanks jelkner 16:15
inana_16Alright, anything else?16:15
SITarabutaUhm, my item16:15
SITarabutalol16:16
SITarabuta!remind16:16
SITarabutadangit16:16
zOnny!do not remind16:16
inana_16lol16:16
inana_16Sorry SITarabuta 16:16
inana_16!remind16:16
SITarabutait was at the top16:16
SITarabutasaid16:16
ubuntouristYeah, the reminders really need to go into a log...16:17
inana_16Nothing to see there16:17
SITarabutaMeeting - argh16:17
inana_16I see16:17
SITarabutaAnyway so:16:17
SITarabutaI know it has been like this for a very very long time. I am just proposing a vote, maybe others think the same.16:17
SITarabuta Would it be better to have the meeting on Monday, at least while school is out? There is always something going on Sunday and I have to carry my laptop. Don't others have the same issue?16:18
SITarabutaAm I the only one? :(16:18
inana_16yeah, sometime SITarabuta 16:18
abuchholzI don't mind monday16:18
inana_16sometimes*16:18
lelkneralfaroMonday is good for me too16:19
abuchholzPoll time :P16:19
inana_16+16:19
jelkneri won't be able to make monday16:19
inana_16+116:19
jelknerjust to let you all know16:19
ubuntouristThe definition of "week" has become a bit more amorphous for me. ;-) I'm mentally trying to think: What's slated for Monday already?16:19
inana_16:(16:19
SITarabutahold on hold on we have jelkner and ubuntourist who have strong opinions i am sure16:19
abuchholzlul16:19
jelkneri don't have an opinion, SITarabuta 16:19
jelknerjust a reality16:19
jelkneri can't make monday meetings16:20
SITarabutaoh..16:20
jelknerwe picked sunday for that reason16:20
jelkneraugust 24 i'm back at APS16:20
ubuntouristSITarabuta, Monday at 12:00 - 12:30 is open.16:20
jelkneri can make sundays16:20
jelknerbut not monday to friday16:20
jelknerwe used to meet thursday evening16:20
jelknerif you want me to continue participating at the meetings, they can't be monday to friday during the work day16:21
SITarabutamaybe we could do monday 3 / 4 pm? I don't know, I am just putting out ideas16:21
jelknerif you don't need me here16:21
SITarabutawe do jelkner16:21
ubuntouristPersonal preference, though slight: Stick with Sundays. Today my brain is bear-like and moving things around is giving me a headache. ;-)16:22
SITarabutait's just that for now i don't have much control of my life. still living with parents ;)  we always leave on sunday. i was thinking if others have the same issue16:22
SITarabutawe can keep sunday if it is an inconvenience16:22
jelknerhistorically, sunday has been good16:22
lelkneralfaroWhy don't we keep Sunday meetings for now16:22
lelkneralfaroand if someone has to miss, and they haven't been requested to present/address an issue16:23
jelknerbtw, there is reason behind our past practice16:23
lelkneralfarorelated to them, then it's okay if they skip?16:23
jelknerwe wanted a weekend that had one "weekday" and one "weekend day"16:23
jelknerwe have friday and saturday off16:23
jelkneras you get older you may appreciate that16:24
ubuntouristThe logs are there for people who miss. It does mean they can't weigh in during the meeting, but an e-mail follow-up for important stuff works.16:24
jelknersince you have a day off when business is open16:24
jelknerto take care of things16:24
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, +116:24
SITarabutaok. let's keep it Sunday16:24
SITarabutaACTION done16:24
inana_16Anything else?16:24
ubuntouristAnd there's always "remind" to try to bring up something before-hand even if the person doing the reminding can't present. (Designate a proxy.)16:25
ubuntouristACTION is done.16:25
jelknerone small thing16:25
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, +116:25
jelkneri'd like to propose eliminating the practice of signing in on the website for these meetings16:25
jelknersince it is redundant16:25
jelknerthe man with two watches problem16:26
SITarabutaOhhhh, maybe we could make it so that an event can have checking in disabled16:26
jelkner+116:26
SITarabutaso that way people can't check in at all.16:26
ubuntouristI feel that way about the man with two document repositories. ;-)16:26
zOnnyjelkner -116:26
abuchholzoh boy new feature16:26
SITarabutaan "uncheckable" event16:26
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, lol16:26
SITarabutaabuchholz it is literally a BooleanField with an IF statement.16:27
jelknerubuntourist, sadly, the alternative is worse16:27
abuchholzi know lol16:27
abuchholzbut its never that easy ;)16:27
jelknerACTION done16:27
abuchholzfile an issue jelkner16:27
lelkneralfaroI haven't checked in to the past three meetings :/ so I'm a step ahead of you jelkner 16:28
SITarabutaI got it don't worry16:28
abuchholzWait16:28
abuchholzbefore we drop the bag of gravel16:28
ubuntouristMaybe LittleBrother could map ubuntourist <-> kevin.cole and do the checkin for us.16:28
abuchholzWe need people to accept merge requests for libreorganize16:28
abuchholzsome have been opened for a month16:28
inana_16ACTION Worry about running late16:28
abuchholzACTION done.16:29
ubuntouristinana_16, That's SITarabuta 's job...16:29
inana_16can you continue this on hangout?16:29
inana_16ACTION Drops the bag of gravel16:29
inana_16Thanks everyone16:29
jelknerthanks, inana_16!16:29
lelkneralfarothanks everyone! see you next time. 16:29
inana_16Have a great weekend16:29
jelknerzOnny, are you coming over?16:29
inana_16https://meet.novawebdevelopment.org/hangout16:30
zOnnyjelkner where r u?16:30
jelkneri'm here, zOnny, where are you! ;-)16:30
lelkneralfaroinana_16, I have to go, but feel free to email me any more pricing questions and we can set up another meeting if you want somebody to talk to about it.16:30
abuchholzcant join hangout at the moment I kinda have to go. PAldea contact me on discord about SoundAdvice pls16:31
PAldeaabuchholz, alright16:31
abuchholzthanks16:31
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jelkner!remind19:25
jelkner!remind Can we move end of week meeting to 4 pm starting 8/27?19:26
"Can we move end of week meeting to 4 pm starting 8/27?" added to message queue19:26
jelknerinana_16, i just added our August meetings to the calendar19:29
inana_16thanks jelkner 19:29
jelkneri made the sunday 12 noon meeting reoccur 12 times, but only did 3 for the thursday meeting19:30
jelknersince i will ask that we move back to 4 pm on thursdays starting august 2719:30
jelkneri'll be back at APS then19:30
jelknerand can't make a 12 noon meeting19:30
jelkneri hope that won't conflict with anyone19:31
jelknerif it does, i will just have to miss the thursday noon meetings, inana_16 19:31
jelkneri put that on the agenda for this sunday19:31
inana_16hold on jelkner I'm in a meeting with zOnny and German19:31
jelknernp19:32
jelknerthat's all i got19:32
jelknerwe can talk later, inana_16 19:32
jelknerinana_16, ping21:11
jelknerinana_16, i'm back21:42
jelknerare we meeting on planning?21:42
jelknerinana_16, one more quick thing21:52
jelknerare you here?21:52

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