| SITarabuta | rip jelkner | 00:24 |
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| jelkner | ACTION logs off | 00:25 |
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| ubuntourist | jelkner, it is becoming increasingly apparent that CAcert has suffered from serious neglect. Alas. I'm exploring other ways. | 15:38 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, Meanwhile, in an effort to annoy people as much as the <blink> tag did... | 15:40 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, The ICA MatterMost portal has JUST implemented animated emoji. Yesterday morning, I could read. Now I get a headache looking at the site. | 15:41 |
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| jelkner | i'm on the phone with stefan | 15:44 |
| jelkner | ACTION catching up now... | 15:45 |
| jelkner | ok, just finished a good conversation with stefan | 15:46 |
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| jelkner | to share with y'all | 15:46 |
| jelkner | 1. he will deliver Business Tracker to Agaric today | 15:46 |
| jelkner | 2. Adrian and i meet with david today at 1 pm | 15:46 |
| jelkner | stefan will want to meet with inana_16 and me (and anyone else interested) tomorrow | 15:47 |
| inana_16 | ok | 15:47 |
| jelkner | The story here is big | 15:47 |
| inana_16 | lelkneralfaro, | 15:47 |
| inana_16 | German and I are on https://meet.novawebdevelopment.org/MDLatinoCaucus | 15:47 |
| jelkner | We (by "we" I mean Stefan ;-) | 15:47 |
| inana_16 | waiting for y and Cesiah | 15:48 |
| lelkneralfaro | inana_16, okay, I will join in a few minutes | 15:48 |
| inana_16 | ok | 15:48 |
| jelkner | wrote an platform app that a fellow coop was able to replace the propriatary Harvest app with | 15:48 |
| jelkner | we need to let folks know what we did | 15:48 |
| SITarabuta | :-) | 15:48 |
| jelkner | along with "see what we can do, you might want to look at Business Tracker" | 15:49 |
| jelkner | and "Anyone need our really good skills for another project?" | 15:49 |
| jelkner | inana_16, you and i need to reach out to the network | 15:49 |
| jelkner | put principle 6 in practice | 15:49 |
| jelkner | i'll report back after we meet with david | 15:50 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, mattva01 says we can just self sign | 15:50 |
| jelkner | i ordered a key | 15:50 |
| SITarabuta | How much are those? | 15:51 |
| SITarabuta | I thought they are 4 figures | 15:51 |
| jelkner | no, an encryption key | 15:52 |
| jelkner | i bought 2 for $58 | 15:52 |
| SITarabuta | ohh ok | 15:53 |
| SITarabuta | Off topic: If any of you missed it, check the Dashboard of https://novawebdevelopment.org/ | 15:53 |
| SITarabuta | I will remove it soon ;-) | 15:53 |
| inana_16 | lelkneralfaro, yeah i need to tell u something before Cesiah arrives | 15:54 |
| lelkneralfaro | inana_16, okay, joining now | 15:54 |
| jelkner | https://solokeys.com/ | 15:55 |
| jelkner | btw. Did ubuntourist ever find is diet coke? | 15:55 |
| jelkner | So, ubuntourist, I'll generate a NOVA Web Development self-signed X.509 key | 15:56 |
| jelkner | put it on this physical key, and print it out on a piece of paper, and lock both of them in the ACFCU safe deposit box | 15:57 |
| jelkner | *after* using the key to sign everyone's own personal, self signed keys | 15:57 |
| jelkner | we use those to sign the Operating Agreement | 15:57 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, I have a new version of the operating agreement with Signature objects inserted for each of the six of us | 15:58 |
| jelkner | i now just need to confirm the signing plan works | 15:59 |
| jelkner | btw. It seems you need to upgrade to LibreOffice 7 | 15:59 |
| jelkner | but that's easy to do | 15:59 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta, remember, zOnny's B'Day is two days from now | 16:00 |
| jelkner | and lelkneralfaro three days from then | 16:00 |
| jelkner | ok, i'm going to get back to work on taxes | 16:00 |
| jelkner | i spend all day yesterday finishing NOVALACIRO taxes | 16:00 |
| jelkner | which is *way* too long to spend | 16:01 |
| jelkner | but i'm documenting well | 16:01 |
| jelkner | so next time, it will take an hour instead | 16:01 |
| jelkner | s/spend/spent | 16:01 |
| SITarabuta | I hope he found it jelkner\ | 16:08 |
| SITarabuta | Oh ok, so zOnny is on 13th and lelkneralfaro is on 14th? | 16:09 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, Sorry. I stepped away for quite a while. | 16:19 |
| ubuntourist | I should have mentioned: I was exploring ways to abuse our Let's Encrypt key for signing. | 16:20 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, I'm sipping on my Diet Coke now... | 16:20 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, I won a YubiKey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YubiKey) years ago, but found it to be more of a nuisance than an aid. | 16:23 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta, lelkneralfaro is the 16th | 16:23 |
| jelkner | next Sunday | 16:23 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, it is just going to be a place to store the key we use to sign everyone else's key | 16:24 |
| jelkner | so the digital signatures will be signed by the coop | 16:24 |
| jelkner | and the coop's private key will be kept in the safe deposit box | 16:24 |
| jelkner | that's my understanding, anyway | 16:25 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, Have you succeeded in using an X.509 signature on a document yet? | 16:27 |
| inana_16 | lelkneralfaro, | 16:27 |
| inana_16 | please come back | 16:27 |
| inana_16 | to the channel | 16:28 |
| inana_16 | just 5 mins | 16:28 |
| lelkneralfaro | inana_16, lol ok | 16:28 |
| lelkneralfaro | inana_16, you're learning that i disappear | 16:28 |
| inana_16 | lol | 16:28 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, yes | 16:31 |
| jelkner | but this has been a comedy of errors (bugs) | 16:31 |
| jelkner | seahorse has a bug that keeps LibreOffice from reading its keys | 16:32 |
| jelkner | but, LibreOffice can read from the Firefox keystore | 16:32 |
| jelkner | so, you need to load the key into firefox | 16:32 |
| jelkner | then sign from LibreOffice | 16:32 |
| jelkner | it's a mess | 16:32 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, Documented on the wiki, per chance? (I was researching the same thing, and was reaching similar conclusions, but hadn't tried yet.) | 16:32 |
| jelkner | but matt left me documentation which i will follow today | 16:32 |
| ubuntourist | Ah. | 16:33 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, will document | 16:33 |
| jelkner | but with so many things broken | 16:33 |
| jelkner | let me get through the process first | 16:33 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, this is my task | 16:33 |
| jelkner | while i appreciate the help | 16:33 |
| ubuntourist | your cross to bear (of small brain). ;-) | 16:33 |
| jelkner | LoL | 16:34 |
| jelkner | but i'm also stubborn, ubuntourist | 16:34 |
| jelkner | both stubborn and stupid | 16:34 |
| jelkner | so i wont' give up ;-) | 16:34 |
| inana_16 | love the gift u made SITarabuta | 16:35 |
| inana_16 | I was sharing my screen to a partner I saw that during the demonstration lol SITarabuta | 16:35 |
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| SITarabuta | ubuntourist, I am glad you found it ;-) | 16:53 |
| SITarabuta | inana_16, haha oops ! | 16:53 |
| inana_16 | lol | 16:55 |
| inana_16 | I thought that it was a paid advertisement lol | 16:56 |
| SITarabuta | Side note: Jitsi has some big issues with sharing your screen on Linux when you have multiple monitors. | 17:03 |
| SITarabuta | ACTION executed the magical touch | 18:32 |
| inana_16 | ACTION AWAY | 18:56 |
| jelkner | !remind | 19:09 |
| jelkner | !remind Our wiki is not that useful for documentation (see https://novawebdevelopment.org/wikis/electronic-document-signing/) | 19:10 |
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| jelkner | !help | 19:11 |
| LittleBrother | Available commands: !event, !help, !ping, !remind, !remove, !time | 19:11 |
| jelkner | ACTION makes note to self, making wiki work with reStructuredText like The Blog would make it really useful! | 19:13 |
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| SITarabuta | meeting is over | 19:15 |
| abuchholz | !remind | 19:15 |
| SITarabuta | and my magical touch is spreading happiness | 19:15 |
| SITarabuta | !remind | 19:15 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta, do we have our Operating Agreement in a place where it can be seen publicly? | 19:20 |
| jelkner | I have a copy on my own website | 19:20 |
| SITarabuta | it is right? let me see | 19:20 |
| jelkner | but folks should be able to see it on the novaweb domain, not mine | 19:20 |
| SITarabuta | I remember you told me to put it at novawebdevelopment.org/public or something like that | 19:20 |
| jelkner | yup | 19:20 |
| SITarabuta | Indeed this is valid https://novawebdevelopment.org/public/ | 19:20 |
| SITarabuta | And this is the full link https://novawebdevelopment.org/public/documents/NOVAWebLimitedLiabilityCompanyOperatingAgreement.pdf | 19:21 |
| jelkner | nice! | 19:21 |
| jelkner | thanks! | 19:21 |
| SITarabuta | np ;-) | 19:21 |
| jelkner | i'm going to remove it from my own site | 19:21 |
| jelkner | soon | 19:22 |
| SITarabuta | okay | 19:22 |
| jelkner | but i already linked to it | 19:22 |
| jelkner | so i need to find those links and change them first | 19:22 |
| SITarabuta | jelkner, about https://novawebdevelopment.org/wikis/electronic-document-signing/ | 19:25 |
| SITarabuta | Should I follow these steps to get myself a key/certificate? | 19:25 |
| SITarabuta | I am a bit confused o_O | 19:25 |
| inana_16 | Hey zOnny need to call u regarding CIDU's | 19:30 |
| jelkner | inana_16, should we talk tomorrow? | 19:45 |
| jelkner | it's getting late in the day | 19:45 |
| inana_16 | hold on | 19:45 |
| jelkner | and after trying to call the IRS about your tax id, i'm going to read | 19:46 |
| inana_16 | 15 mins | 19:46 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, last I heard, we have a four o'clock meeting... | 19:57 |
| jelkner | ahh, i thought it was 3 pm | 19:58 |
| jelkner | i was there, and no one showed | 19:58 |
| ubuntourist | Oh. Maybe I'm wrong then... | 19:58 |
| jelkner | but you're right (as usual), ubuntourist | 19:58 |
| jelkner | i think it was 4 | 19:58 |
| jelkner | but we left it open | 19:58 |
| jelkner | remember | 19:58 |
| jelkner | we said "at this point, you should work together and call a meeting when you need one" | 19:59 |
| jelkner | but i think i also said i would be there just in case | 19:59 |
| jelkner | so let me go | 19:59 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, Amina's here | 20:00 |
| inana_16 | jelkner, I'm on planning now | 20:03 |
| jelkner | inana_16, my bad | 20:03 |
| jelkner | i'm meeting with amina | 20:03 |
| inana_16 | ok | 20:04 |
| inana_16 | maybe tomorrow? | 20:04 |
| jelkner | i forgot i had that until ubuntourist reminded me | 20:04 |
| jelkner | how about after? | 20:04 |
| inana_16 | yeah | 20:04 |
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| amina | Hi everyone! Has anyone here used React js? | 20:06 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta, zOnny, abuchholz, could one of you please answer amina's question? | 20:06 |
| SITarabuta | Oh boy React JS ;-) | 20:06 |
| SITarabuta | I have not touched that yet, sorry! | 20:07 |
| abuchholz | Likewise | 20:07 |
| zOnny | me neither | 20:07 |
| abuchholz | it does look like they have good documentation https://reactjs.org/tutorial/tutorial.html | 20:08 |
| amina | What kind of front end development do we use at NOVA web development? | 20:09 |
| SITarabuta | We use a raw stack of HTML + CSS + JavaScript / JQuery where necessary. Bootstrap would be a framework that we include everyone that just makes CSS styles nicer. | 20:10 |
| SITarabuta | So not that raw because of Bootstrap | 20:10 |
| SITarabuta | But otherwise mostly raw ;-) | 20:10 |
| SITarabuta | everywhere* not everyone haha | 20:10 |
| SITarabuta | I would say it limits us most of the time because we can't do cool dynamic pages, but it keeps things simple, fast, and bugs free most of the time. | 20:11 |
| SITarabuta | amina, I hope that answers your question. | 20:11 |
| amina | Yes, it does. Thank you! | 20:14 |
| zOnny | amina: React components are awesome and when u combine them with django there is probably no other need for any other javascript library, literaly or even a front end framework. | 20:18 |
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| amina | !remind | 20:44 |
| amina | !help | 20:45 |
| LittleBrother | Available commands: !event, !help, !ping, !remind, !remove, !time | 20:45 |
| ubuntourist | !remind Make LitteBrother post agenda to the IRClogs. | 20:46 |
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| amina | !remind | 20:47 |
| jelkner | inana_16, i'm on planning now | 20:56 |
| jelkner | inana_16, still here? | 20:57 |
| SITarabuta | Can I have Louis' email address? I have to create a Business Tracker account for him and I don't want to misspell it :/ | 21:11 |
| SITarabuta | nvm ^ | 21:18 |
| zOnny | jelkner: are u around? | 21:37 |
| zOnny | ubuntourist: are you around? | 21:38 |
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| ubuntourist | zOnny, Around. | 21:47 |
| zOnny | ubuntourist: https://meet.novawebdevelopment.org/planning please | 21:47 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off for the day | 22:45 |
| jelkner | i'll be on *early* tomorrow ;-) | 22:45 |
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