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| jelkner | !remind Quick update on finances | 14:12 |
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| jelkner | ping inana_16 | 15:09 |
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| inana_16 | !remind Check in, what we did this week. | 15:26 |
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| jelkner | Good morning, cmoran! | 15:29 |
| cmoran | hello! | 15:29 |
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| jelkner | cmoran, we're on https://meet.novawebdevelopment.org/hangout too | 15:31 |
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| lelkneralfaro : @ubuntourist : GFbot : SITarabuta : amina : abuchholz : cmoran : inana_16 : zOnny : +jelkner : wolcen : @ChanServ : @mjsir911 | 16:00 | |
| Quick update on finances (jelkner) | 16:00 | |
| Check in, what we did this week. (inana_16) | 16:00 | |
| Following up, MLLC (inana_16) | 16:00 | |
| inana_16 | Good morning everyone! :) | 16:00 |
| jelkner | Good morning! | 16:00 |
| GFbot | hello | 16:00 |
| jelkner | GFbot, so good to see you this early morn ;-) | 16:00 |
| lelkneralfaro | good morning | 16:00 |
| abuchholz | good afternoon | 16:00 |
| GFbot | jelkner ;) | 16:00 |
| inana_16 | ACTION waiting for everyone to say hi | 16:00 |
| amina | Good morning! | 16:00 |
| inana_16 | Okay let's start... | 16:01 |
| inana_16 | First item: Our wiki is not that useful for documentation (see https://novawebdevelopment.org/wikis/electronic-document-signing/) | 16:01 |
| jelkner | ok, i'll make this quick | 16:01 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, as is totally appropriate | 16:01 |
| jelkner | is often asking me to document | 16:02 |
| jelkner | i want to comply | 16:02 |
| SITarabuta | morning! | 16:02 |
| jelkner | and the wiki should be the place to do that | 16:02 |
| jelkner | but it doesn't support tech docs well | 16:02 |
| jelkner | we should fix that | 16:02 |
| jelkner | case in point | 16:02 |
| ubuntourist | I forget: Public vs. private implemented? | 16:02 |
| jelkner | here is what i tried to do on our wiki: https://novawebdevelopment.org/wikis/electronic-document-signing/ | 16:03 |
| ubuntourist | IIRC, the answer is still "no" which matches my experience. | 16:03 |
| jelkner | when it looked so unreadable i stopped | 16:03 |
| jelkner | here is it on The Blog: https://weblog.elkner.net/blog/34/ | 16:03 |
| jelkner | where it looks just the way i want it. | 16:03 |
| jelkner | let's get our wiki to support tech docs | 16:04 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 16:04 |
| inana_16 | Thanks jelkner | 16:04 |
| ubuntourist | When I document, I often want to share my documentation beyond members. | 16:04 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION is done. | 16:05 |
| abuchholz | WIP. | 16:05 |
| inana_16 | Next item: Make LitteBrother post agenda to the IRClogs. | 16:06 |
| ubuntourist | I'll file it as a feature request, but since jelkner just got finished making a feature request here, I don't feel too bad about adding it to the agenda. | 16:06 |
| ubuntourist | Particularly, since it's so germane to IRC meetings. ;-) | 16:07 |
| jelkner | +1 | 16:07 |
| ubuntourist | Not much to say about it beyond the agenda item itself. | 16:07 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION is done. | 16:07 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, we need this, so thanks | 16:07 |
| jelkner | our irclogs are our minutes | 16:08 |
| jelkner | the agenda should be at the top | 16:08 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 16:08 |
| inana_16 | Thanks | 16:08 |
| inana_16 | next item: update our website | 16:08 |
| ubuntourist | (Actually, I was going to look at the code and see if I wanted to fix it rather than issue a feature request.) | 16:08 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION is REALLY done. ;-) | 16:08 |
| inana_16 | regarding this I started to take some screenshots in order to file some issues | 16:09 |
| jelkner | this is a request for inana_16 lelkneralfaro zOnny GFbot mostly | 16:09 |
| jelkner | but since our website is our main marketing tool | 16:09 |
| jelkner | we need to keep it up to date | 16:09 |
| jelkner | needs to have our new members | 16:09 |
| jelkner | our new partners | 16:09 |
| jelkner | our new portfolio apps well featured | 16:09 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 16:09 |
| ubuntourist | Maybe self-controlled member pages... | 16:10 |
| inana_16 | I think is a good idea that GFbot can help me code, zOnny to understand some dev stuff and concepts that we are going to market and lelkneralfaro to make some decisions about that | 16:10 |
| jelkner | +1 | 16:10 |
| GFbot | :D | 16:10 |
| inana_16 | BTW lelkneralfaro need a picture of you, I already have one we can see if you agreed on using that for the website | 16:11 |
| ubuntourist | For example, a page where I could advertise myself and my projects -- such as they aren't, | 16:11 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, abuchholz and zOnny are working on articles | 16:11 |
| lelkneralfaro | inana_16, okay | 16:11 |
| jelkner | which would be good for that | 16:11 |
| ubuntourist | and others could do the same. But to avoid craziness, maybe just ONE page per member and the member can then link to external sites. | 16:12 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, That's a different animal. | 16:12 |
| inana_16 | like a bio? ubuntourist | 16:12 |
| inana_16 | I mean bio page? | 16:12 |
| ubuntourist | inana_16, That's more like what I'm thinking, yes. Bio / resume / CV. | 16:12 |
| inana_16 | nice | 16:13 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION is done | 16:13 |
| inana_16 | it could be something as a profile like this https://novawebdevelopment.org/members/ubuntourist ? | 16:13 |
| inana_16 | ACTION thinking | 16:14 |
| ubuntourist | inana_16, yeah that's basically what I'm thinking of. People click on the mini-profile on the main page and it takes them to the individual's page. | 16:14 |
| inana_16 | +1 | 16:15 |
| jelkner | +1 | 16:15 |
| ubuntourist | inana_16, Of course that may not scale well for huge groups. | 16:15 |
| SITarabuta | +1 | 16:15 |
| lelkneralfaro | !remind Reset Password for novaweb site not working for me | 16:15 |
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| inana_16 | Ok, next item: Quick update on finances | 16:16 |
| jelkner | Gallaudet payment arrived today! | 16:16 |
| jelkner | We can breath a sign of relief, and not worry about anything for a few weeks ;-) | 16:16 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 16:16 |
| inana_16 | thanks jelkner | 16:17 |
| inana_16 | next item: Check in, what we did this week | 16:17 |
| inana_16 | Ok this should be everyone sharing | 16:18 |
| jelkner | continued to work on digital signature (slow but stead progress) | 16:18 |
| jelkner | met with cooperators in dc who are going to help us with accounting and taxes | 16:18 |
| jelkner | finished novalaciro taxes | 16:18 |
| SITarabuta | RAGU stuff being fixed, deployed BusinessTracker to Agaric, and live right now, deploying BusinessTracker to NOVA Web Development | 16:18 |
| jelkner | finished moving PRIMEs to Interns | 16:19 |
| SITarabuta | Also started working on DoctestQuiz | 16:19 |
| jelkner | amina and cmoran are here, yeah! | 16:19 |
| abuchholz | Finishing touches on SoundAdvice, Begin working on LibreOrganize issues and cleaning it up | 16:19 |
| ubuntourist | A wee bit o' GASP, a marathon helping David from Gallaudet get his running very own running Pac-u-Lator and Sound Advice instance, failed adventures in digital signing... and... I'm forgetting something else. ;-) | 16:19 |
| ubuntourist | Ah, adding new interns to meet.novawebdevelopment.org as hosters. | 16:20 |
| inana_16 | CIDU, testing website almost done (waiting to show it to Clayton today), We did meet with Cesiah from MLLC, we're following up, we had a great meeting with jelkner , abuchholz , SITarabuta and zOnny | 16:20 |
| inana_16 | We joined the mattermost (patio) chat | 16:21 |
| lelkneralfaro | ACTION worked on contract, invoice and finance stuff with inana_16, zOnny jelkner. Met with some customers/partners. Worked on some django. Broke Ubuntu and had to reinstall :( | 16:21 |
| ubuntourist | Oh yeah. That too. Lots of stuff I'm forgetting to list. | 16:21 |
| zOnny | ACTION Updates to CIDU website and AEA request updates | 16:21 |
| ubuntourist | lelkneralfaro, +1 for breaking stuff! Welcome! ;-) | 16:22 |
| lelkneralfaro | ubuntourist, lol thanks for the welcome, but yeah it was no fun | 16:22 |
| ubuntourist | Speaking of CIDU... in hangouts after this: Thoughts on the e-mail I sent about a group trying to organize a similar group elsewhere. | 16:23 |
| jelkner | let's chat on hangouts about that, ubuntourist | 16:23 |
| inana_16 | +1 | 16:23 |
| inana_16 | next item: Following up, MLLC (inana_16) | 16:23 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, That's why I said "in hangouts". | 16:23 |
| jelkner | yes, i was just saying i'd join you | 16:24 |
| ubuntourist | s/hangouts/hangout/g; ;-) | 16:24 |
| inana_16 | lelkneralfaro, and I are working on this, but I want to paste to have it in our IRC | 16:24 |
| GFbot | Me and inana_16 had a meeting with MD latino caucus this week so im waiting for her to tell me about the migration. | 16:24 |
| inana_16 | according of what we did in the past: The first contract was on November 10, 2018 | 16:25 |
| inana_16 | We agreed to charge Joselyn the amount of $400 | 16:25 |
| inana_16 | We agreed to charge them $30 /hour “Add-On Services” | 16:25 |
| inana_16 | Including: | 16:25 |
| inana_16 | Development of a basic website with a Content Management System (CMS), | 16:25 |
| inana_16 | Purchasing of a domain name for one year, | 16:25 |
| inana_16 | Hosting for one year. | 16:25 |
| inana_16 | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PI07AXDDB7TunAqvhJJMAtgH0SQq-82FoOr0k_sh2Z8/edit?usp=sharing | 16:25 |
| inana_16 | This year we plan to disregard almost 2 years that we've been paying for, right? | 16:25 |
| inana_16 | Send a new invoice with a new hosting cycle and domain payment. ($120 / per year) (When this should start?) | 16:25 |
| inana_16 | WE NEED: Send all the past Contract and invoices (in any case), | 16:26 |
| jelkner | tan pronto que sea posible? | 16:26 |
| inana_16 | So now, the following questions: | 16:26 |
| inana_16 | The amount for the domain? (Maybe zOnny can help me with that) | 16:26 |
| inana_16 | When the new hosting cycle should start? | 16:26 |
| inana_16 | Are we going stick with $30 or $60 / hour | 16:26 |
| jelkner | now that we have business tracker, we won't let these things lapse any more | 16:26 |
| GFbot | :D | 16:26 |
| inana_16 | That's the main discussion we are going to have with lelkneralfaro | 16:26 |
| ubuntourist | Famous last words. ;-) | 16:26 |
| inana_16 | yes jelkner | 16:26 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta, 3 minutes left | 16:27 |
| SITarabuta | indeed! | 16:27 |
| jelkner | aren't you nervours? | 16:27 |
| SITarabuta | a bit ;-) | 16:27 |
| inana_16 | Ok I just wanted to have this information here | 16:27 |
| SITarabuta | but I believe in you guys! | 16:27 |
| inana_16 | ACTION done | 16:27 |
| inana_16 | anyone has anything else? | 16:27 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, famous last words to you too. ;-) | 16:27 |
| SITarabuta | O_O | 16:28 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION neighs (nays) | 16:28 |
| inana_16 | ACTION drops the bag of gravel | 16:28 |
| jelkner | great job, inana_16! | 16:28 |
| inana_16 | Thanks everyone | 16:28 |
| inana_16 | https://meet.novawebdevelopment.org/hangout lelkneralfaro | 16:28 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, can you join us on hangout? | 16:28 |
| jelkner | see y'all sunday | 16:29 |
| lelkneralfaro | yes | 16:29 |
| lelkneralfaro | I cant log in to novaweb | 16:29 |
| lelkneralfaro | unrelated | 16:29 |
| GFbot | inana_16 so i have to wait? | 16:29 |
| inana_16 | yeah, let you know today so we can start | 16:29 |
| inana_16 | GFbot | 16:30 |
| GFbot | ok | 16:30 |
| inana_16 | quiza podemos entrar a otro canal luego para trabajar sobre eso lelkneralfaro | 16:35 |
| lelkneralfaro | inana_16, si mejor | 16:35 |
| inana_16 | despues de lo que va a mostrar Stefan lelkneralfaro lol | 16:36 |
| lelkneralfaro | inana_16, haha okay :) | 16:36 |
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| inana_16 | hold on lelkneralfaro | 17:22 |
| lelkneralfaro | inana_16, hmm> | 17:26 |
| lelkneralfaro | inana_16, ? | 17:26 |
| lelkneralfaro | inana_16, I have to grab something so I won't be in front of my laptop for 20 minutes. You can text me on Signal and we can talk. I'll be on my phone, just can't look at the document until i get back | 17:29 |
| SITarabuta | jelkner, inana_16, and others who might be using BusinessTracker. I will restart it a few times in the next 10 minutes, so time tracking might reset. Sorry about that! Gotta fix some minor issues | 17:29 |
| SITarabuta | Reset, I mean currently tracking time | 17:30 |
| SITarabuta | not already tracked! | 17:30 |
| SITarabuta | like the Track Time page might complain about CSRF token ;-) | 17:30 |
| SITarabuta | jelkner, inana_16 business tracker is back up! Record of Services also works now. Try it out, it is pretty cool ;-) | 17:47 |
| abuchholz | jelkner wikis has a new code button. Should be better than the old one ;) | 17:52 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta, abuchholz i'll try out both features later today | 17:53 |
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| abuchholz | lelkneralfaro try resting your password now | 18:03 |
| abuchholz | should work thanks to Stefan | 18:04 |
| lelkneralfaro | abuchholz, I'll give it a shot | 18:05 |
| lelkneralfaro | abuchholz, yup that did it! | 18:07 |
| abuchholz | great | 18:07 |
| inana_16 | busy lelkneralfaro ? | 18:08 |
| lelkneralfaro | inana_16, nope, I can talk now | 18:08 |
| inana_16 | ok | 18:08 |
| lelkneralfaro | inana_16, where are we talking? | 18:09 |
| inana_16 | https://meet.novawebdevelopment.org/planning | 18:09 |
| inana_16 | always use this or hangouts | 18:09 |
| inana_16 | but most of the time planning | 18:09 |
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| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, Happy Birthday! | 18:23 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro -.- | 18:30 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro thank u | 18:30 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, :) | 18:32 |
| jelkner | inana_16, can you meet me briefly on plannng? | 18:51 |
| inana_16 | I'm about to join the meeting with zOnny regarding CIDU | 18:51 |
| inana_16 | is going to be quick? | 18:51 |
| inana_16 | jelkner | 18:52 |
| jelkner | yes | 18:52 |
| jelkner | 2 minutes | 18:52 |
| inana_16 | ok | 18:52 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta, just tried to call you | 21:14 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta, sent email | 21:14 |
| jelkner | i'm logging off for the day | 21:15 |
| jelkner | cy'all sunday | 21:15 |
| jelkner | though i have no life, so i'll be here tomorrow and saturday too :-( | 21:15 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off for the evening | 21:15 |
| abuchholz | lul | 21:17 |
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| ubuntourist | !help | 22:32 |
| LittleBrother | Available commands: !event, !help, !ping, !remind, !remove, !time | 22:32 |
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| SITarabuta | LittleBrother has quit and gave up ;-) | 23:38 |
| SITarabuta | But he came back! | 23:39 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, that's me breaking and then unbreaking it. | 23:41 |
| SITarabuta | Ahh I see, ubuntourist ! Good to know. I thought he was hunted o_O | 23:42 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, and the breaking was stupid too. Shows what I get for not reading carefully. | 23:42 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, now I'm attempting to proceed much more cautiously -- but may give up. | 23:43 |
| SITarabuta | ubuntourist, I prefer not to read at all ;-) I just dig in and start changing stuff; then it breaks; then I try to restore the backup which I realize doesn't exist; then I start from scratch. | 23:44 |
| SITarabuta | ubuntourist, is it the remind in the log that you are working on? | 23:44 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner talks about the beauty of abstraction. I think it's the ugly of obfuscation. | 23:44 |
| SITarabuta | Indeed! And that is why I tell abuchholz how much I hate generic views. BURN THEM TO HELL! | 23:45 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, yeah. And in the "abstraction" stuff is handed to "handler" which hands it to "process". So, I'm going to add a | 23:46 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, "def do()" and a "def action()" and a "def verb()" because abstraction is sooo helpful. | 23:46 |
| ubuntourist | "if subject == noun: predicate = verb()" ;-) | 23:47 |
| SITarabuta | ubuntourist, thank you!! | 23:48 |
| SITarabuta | It's fun when instead of a simple "def post()", you have to do "def get_context_data()", "def form_valid()", "def get_form()", "def get_template()"... WHY!? It's like Agile | 23:49 |
| SITarabuta | makes me commit homicide | 23:49 |
| ubuntourist | So. I was looking for "write" or "put" because, you know, I want to find out how data gets written to the log files. But no. Worse yet, there's "log", "logging" and "logger" in the code and what they mean changes depending on the phase of the moon, I think. | 23:51 |
| ubuntourist | sometimes "log" refers reading from remind.log. Sometimes it refers to writing to "/logs/*" and sometimes it refers to debugging messages from the Python logging module. | 23:52 |
| SITarabuta | Yep, been there. Preferred not to touch it. I was too scared | 23:53 |
| SITarabuta | For simple scripts / programs like this, it is more of a hassle to "obfuscate" stuff agway ;-). Why can't they just use file.write() | 23:54 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, I should have been scared. Instead I was stupid. Sorcerer's apprentice: I ended up with a 1000-line agenda for a few minutes. | 23:54 |
| SITarabuta | Ohhhh boy.. That must've hurt | 23:55 |
| ubuntourist | (I intentionally set the cron to fire every minute for testing. But it didn't seem to be doing anything. I kept looking in the logs/ directory to see | 23:56 |
| ubuntourist | if something was changing. Finally it crashed and when I looked I see "oh. I've been 'logging' to remind.log.") But, I had made a backup before doing that. So, not too serious. | 23:58 |
| ubuntourist | If I'd read a bit more carefully, I would have seen that's what I was writing to. I just was thinking that "log" meant "log". Silly me. | 23:59 |
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