IRC log of #novawebdev for Thursday, 2020-10-08

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nrcerna!remind15:03
Development / Back End services (nrcerna)15:03
May First membership meeting / board elections - https://mayfirst.coop/en/membership-meeting/ (ubuntourist)15:03
jelknernrcerna, GM, can you meet me on planning?15:04
nrcernayes15:04
nrcerna!remind brief report about meeting with Ajoke16:40
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nrcernaACTION AWAY17:40
nrcernaACTION Back18:55
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Development / Back End services (nrcerna)19:03
May First membership meeting / board elections - https://mayfirst.coop/en/membership-meeting/ (ubuntourist)19:03
brief report about meeting with Ajoke (nrcerna)19:03
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ubuntourist!remind19:48
Development / Back End services (nrcerna)19:48
May First membership meeting / board elections - https://mayfirst.coop/en/membership-meeting/ (ubuntourist)19:48
brief report about meeting with Ajoke (nrcerna)19:48
nrcerna!remind19:49
Development / Back End services (nrcerna)19:49
May First membership meeting / board elections - https://mayfirst.coop/en/membership-meeting/ (ubuntourist)19:49
brief report about meeting with Ajoke (nrcerna)19:49
ubuntourist!remind October is both National Co-Op Month and DC Co-Op Month, with events semi-planned...19:50
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nrcernaLet's try this chris119 ;)19:53
nrcernado you have time to meet me after our meeting? So I can give you a LibreOrganize tour chris119 19:54
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PAldea : chris119 : lelkneralfaro : amina : GFbot : zOnny : @ubuntourist : DevinMcF : SITarabuta : abuchholz : nrcerna : @ChanServ : wolcen : @msirabella20:00
Good afternoon everyone!20:00
It's 16:00 UTC and NOVA Web Development's bi-weekly meeting is starting.20:00
This is the agenda for today:20:00
Development / Back End services (nrcerna)20:00
May First membership meeting / board elections - https://mayfirst.coop/en/membership-meeting/ (ubuntourist)20:00
brief report about meeting with Ajoke (nrcerna)20:00
October is both National Co-Op Month and DC Co-Op Month, with events semi-planned... (ubuntourist)20:00
Have a nice day!20:00
nrcernaHello everyone!20:00
abuchholzGood Afternoon20:00
SITarabutahi20:00
ubuntouristHiya20:00
lelkneralfarohello20:00
PAldeaHi!20:00
nrcerna;-)20:01
nrcernaalright, let's start20:01
nrcernafirst item: Development / Back End services20:01
nrcernathat's me 20:01
nrcernaRegarding this I noticed that we need to advertise our Back end Skills,20:01
ubuntourist+120:02
nrcernaIt would be great if the developers, SITarabuta, abuchholz , zOnny, can briefly explain the kind of services we can offer 20:02
nrcerna(Since I'm lost about all the technical stuff) and put all that information together 20:02
nrcernand think about prices so that way we can avoid expending time trying to figure it out how much are we going to charge.20:02
ubuntourist(Not sure how many people want Altair-8800 assembler expertise, though. 😏20:02
abuchholzI mean I don't want to say we can do everything. But most things clients want are definitely achievable;e 20:03
zOnnyI'm front-end support 20:03
SITarabutaWell we offer web development - making Django apps, customizing web sites with cute CSS, we also do other stuff that I am kind of forgetting about20:03
abuchholz+1 to what stefan said20:03
zOnnyvery cute css20:03
nrcernaOk, so we can have the Back end and Front End services we do, since we need to update that on the website20:03
SITarabutaSome want sysadmin support - Oh no! My database is borked! Can you fix it?20:03
ubuntouristI think the key is to find a way to explain to non-technical people what "Django" etc mean, and why having such skills sets us apart.20:04
abuchholzyeah website should say backend and frontend20:04
SITarabutaAnd we'll pay you nothing for it! But you are good guys right!? Right?!?!?!20:04
nrcernaand this could help chris119 that is here with us today to know more about what we do20:04
abuchholzLol20:04
nrcerna+1 ubuntourist 20:04
SITarabutaDjango - Amazing Python Web Framework that helps us build the websites. It's basically what the makes up the business logic of an application20:05
abuchholz+120:05
chris119back/front works20:05
ubuntourist(Some people are just sold by techno-babble and words they've never heard, but being able to say why we think Python / Django is better than PHP / Drupal in a way they understand is important.20:05
abuchholzDjango is our specialty... but that doesn't mean we aren't afraid to do other things. SoundAdvice being one of those20:05
abuchholz+1 ubuntourist 20:06
nrcernabut I think we need details, in some of the things right?20:06
chris119someone looking to get services should be directed20:06
chris119to front end or back end services20:06
abuchholzwhat details I don't really understand20:06
abuchholzWe do django apps20:06
abuchholzthats the backend20:06
abuchholzand the frontend is HTML, CSS, JS making everything look nice20:07
nrcernaI remember that this week I told abuchholz something that zOnny told me: "what kind of work is this?:  back-end only, devops, theme, etc20:07
nrcerna..every field is different."20:07
SITarabutasome are just multiple things20:07
abuchholz+120:07
SITarabutasometimes backend leaks into devops and the other way20:07
nrcernaOkay20:07
ubuntouristSoftwear ™ We cover your back end. No if's and's or butts. 😏20:07
abuchholzlol20:07
nrcernaGreat,I'm just trying to understand so we can market that ;)20:08
nrcernaACTION done20:08
abuchholzour marketing point for backend is django apps20:08
chris119^20:09
ubuntouristAlso, I don't know what clients -- er, partners -- know or understand about distinctions like "back end", "front end", "full stack", etc.20:09
nrcerna*customized*20:09
abuchholzthat should be the main point20:09
abuchholz+120:09
nrcerna+120:09
abuchholzhowever, we can do other things within reason20:09
abuchholzBut really focusing on custom django apps20:09
nrcerna+120:09
abuchholzACTION done. Lets move to the next item20:09
ubuntouristACTION agrees. Move on.20:10
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nrcernaNext item: May First membership meeting / board elections - https://mayfirst.coop/en/membership-meeting/20:10
ubuntouristThis is me.20:10
chris1119Technical difficulties solved20:10
ubuntouristMore for jelkner and myself: Since we're paying members of May First, we should show up for meetings.20:10
ubuntouristIt's a democratically run organization. So, we have some voting rights / ability to steer the direction of that ship.20:11
ubuntouristMaybe even convince them to use LibreOrganize... 20:12
ubuntouristACTION is done.20:12
nrcernawow, that would be amazing ubuntourist 20:12
ubuntouristnrcerna, That's a jelkner fantasy. I'm the cynic, but willing to play along and promote. ;-)20:13
nrcerna;-)20:13
nrcernaOk20:13
nrcernanext item: brief report about meeting with Ajoke , lelkneralfaro can you please do it?20:13
lelkneralfarosure20:13
lelkneralfaroso nrcerna and I met with Ajoke yesterday from Gilded(?)20:14
lelkneralfaromaybe Guilded20:14
lelkneralfarowho are a cooperative that provide accounting services20:14
ubuntouristGuilded (as in crafts from the middle ages, not gilded as in gold-plated).20:15
lelkneralfaroit was a good introductory meeting and we let Ajoke know that we were interested in getting help with our accounting and taxes20:15
chris1119Thank you for the vocabulary20:16
lelkneralfaroand basically what they would do for an overhead fee is take care of all of our invoicing and contract work20:16
ubuntouristlelkneralfaro, would they use Business Tracker for the invoicing? 20:17
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, I doubt it20:17
nrcernaI was wondering the same20:17
zOnnyhow much $$?20:17
lelkneralfaroAjoke said she would send more information, I haven't checked yet20:17
nrcernashe said that she's going to send an email with that information zOnny 20:17
lelkneralfaronrcerna, did she follow up?20:17
nrcernanot yet lelkneralfaro 20:18
ubuntouristWe should find out what they would use, and see if Business Tracker can be augmented to suit their needs. Cheaper for them and a feather in our cap if it can be done.20:18
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, +120:18
nrcerna+120:19
nrcernathanks lelkneralfaro 20:19
lelkneralfarolast thing... we could also pay for them for accounting consultation20:19
ubuntouristThe big thing there, that is hellishly tough to compete with is anything that integrates with taxation.20:19
chris1119This is something I am currently getting into so I could also provide that service20:20
lelkneralfarowhich Ajoke didn't mention a price but I think I heard her say it would be a substantial fee20:20
chris1119Starting school later this month20:20
lelkneralfaroACTION done20:20
ubuntouristACTION is done20:20
nrcernaGreat, chris1119 20:20
nrcernathanks lelkneralfaro 20:20
nrcernaNext item: October is both National Co-Op Month and DC Co-Op Month, with events semi-planned...'20:21
ubuntouristMe again20:21
ubuntouristSo. I just forwarded the DC Stakeholder's Newsletter to everyone@novawebdevelopment.org. It reiterates that October is Co-Op month20:22
ubuntouristand provides links.20:22
ubuntouristI'll have to re-read it myself, and follow the links. But during the meeting that lelkneralfaro and I attended there was talk of20:22
ubuntouristDC doing "something" (or "somethings") for the month.20:23
ubuntouristI just want it to be on people's radar.20:23
ubuntouristACTION is done.20:23
nrcernaGreat, thanks ubuntourist 20:23
nrcernaso, anyone has anything to add?20:24
nrcernaACTION Drops the bag of gravel20:24
nrcernathanks everyone!20:24
abuchholzthanks20:24
nrcernahave a great weekend, see you on Sunday! ;-)20:25
lelkneralfarothanks!20:25

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