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| nrcerna | !remind | 15:21 |
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| Documenting work, hours, payment (jelkner) | 15:21 | |
| LibreOrganize idea for CMS (abuchholz) | 15:21 | |
| jelkner | GM, nrcerna! | 15:36 |
| nrcerna | GM jelkner | 15:36 |
| jelkner | Any chance you could meet me in my BBB classroom? | 15:36 |
| jelkner | i can give you the URL and pass code | 15:37 |
| jelkner | if you are available | 15:37 |
| nrcerna | Yes | 15:37 |
| jelkner | got it, nrcerna? | 15:38 |
| jelkner | nrcerna? | 15:40 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, i have class in 10 minutes | 15:40 |
| jelkner | but i wanted to talk to you first | 15:40 |
| jelkner | if you can meet me now, cool | 15:40 |
| jelkner | if not, we will need to wait until after school | 15:40 |
| nrcerna | !remind Improving skills to move forward | 15:52 |
| 'Improving skills to move forward' added to message queue | 15:52 | |
| nrcerna | ACTION AWAY, brb for our IRC meeting | 18:26 |
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| nrcerna | !remind | 19:45 |
| Documenting work, hours, payment (jelkner) | 19:45 | |
| LibreOrganize idea for CMS (abuchholz) | 19:45 | |
| Improving skills to move forward (nrcerna) | 19:45 | |
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| abuchholz | !remind | 19:58 |
| Documenting work, hours, payment (jelkner) | 19:58 | |
| LibreOrganize idea for CMS (abuchholz) | 19:58 | |
| Improving skills to move forward (nrcerna) | 19:58 | |
| abuchholz : amina : @ubuntourist : +jelkner : lelkneralfaro : SITarabuta : nrcerna : @mjsir911 : @ChanServ : wolcen | 20:00 | |
| Good afternoon everyone! | 20:00 | |
| It's 16:00 UTC and NOVA Web Development's bi-weekly meeting is starting. | 20:00 | |
| This is the agenda for today: | 20:00 | |
| Documenting work, hours, payment (jelkner) | 20:00 | |
| LibreOrganize idea for CMS (abuchholz) | 20:00 | |
| Improving skills to move forward (nrcerna) | 20:00 | |
| jelkner | Good afternoon, nrcerna! | 20:00 |
| nrcerna | Hello everyone! | 20:00 |
| Have a nice day! | 20:00 | |
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| abuchholz | Good Afternoon! | 20:00 |
| ubuntourist | Hey-ho | 20:00 |
| amina | Hello! | 20:00 |
| nrcerna | Alright, let's start | 20:01 |
| nrcerna | First item: Documenting work, hours, payment | 20:01 |
| lelkneralfaro | Hello | 20:01 |
| nrcerna | that's you jelkner | 20:01 |
| jelkner | i'll keep this *real* short | 20:01 |
| jelkner | we have work to do on MSP and CJS | 20:01 |
| jelkner | folks are asking | 20:01 |
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| jelkner | i am expecting that: | 20:01 |
| jelkner | 1. time worked will be entered into BT | 20:02 |
| jelkner | 2. I will be billed at our agreed upon hourly rate | 20:02 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 20:02 |
| nrcerna | Great, thanks jelkner | 20:02 |
| nrcerna | We're going to do it. | 20:03 |
| nrcerna | Next item: LibreOrganize idea for CMS | 20:03 |
| nrcerna | abuchholz ;-) | 20:03 |
| abuchholz | So I'm sure many of you have heard my new idea. But I'm going to reiterate what I think LibreOrganize needs CMS wise | 20:04 |
| abuchholz | I built a porotype using TDD | 20:04 |
| jelkner | NICE! | 20:04 |
| jelkner | the 3 magic letters ;-) | 20:04 |
| abuchholz | Essentially my idea was pages but with the ability to add custom widgets | 20:04 |
| abuchholz | These widgets can be text areas, sliders, image gallery's, etc. | 20:05 |
| abuchholz | I just want to show it off after the meeting in jitsi and see what people have to say about it before I invest lots of time | 20:05 |
| jelkner | awesome | 20:05 |
| nrcerna | :-D | 20:05 |
| ubuntourist | abuchholz, any particular widget library / framework in mind? | 20:05 |
| abuchholz | The first step would be to get it working with django, and eventually maybe implement some javascript | 20:06 |
| abuchholz | its not a library/framework | 20:06 |
| abuchholz | its kinda like a textarea that creates the box and appends it to the page. | 20:06 |
| abuchholz | and then a image gallery that is appended to the page | 20:06 |
| abuchholz | I can show everyone on jitsi after the meeting | 20:06 |
| ubuntourist | You're getting nrcerna to hand-draw the sliders, then? ;-) | 20:06 |
| abuchholz | ACTION done. | 20:06 |
| nrcerna | Thanks abuchholz | 20:07 |
| abuchholz | Its a little easier to explain using words if that makes sense | 20:07 |
| abuchholz | like talking i mean | 20:07 |
| ubuntourist | abuchholz, okay. | 20:07 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION is done | 20:07 |
| nrcerna | next item: Improving skills to move forward | 20:07 |
| nrcerna | that's me | 20:08 |
| nrcerna | As you may know, I've been close to Agaric's workflow, they shared with me their Leads and Proposals Zulip's channel, | 20:08 |
| nrcerna | I can see the way they interact regarding those leads and proposals they send to their customers, Is very fascinating. | 20:08 |
| nrcerna | Months ago in a meeting with Clayton, Ben and zOnny, they mentioned that we can collaborate with them in some design, front end, and Drupal (if we are willing to learning) | 20:08 |
| jelkner | Agaric is the best example of cooperative love i've ever seen | 20:08 |
| jelkner | they live the principles of cooperation | 20:09 |
| jelkner | that's really cool | 20:09 |
| nrcerna | they're good friends and are trying to help us out by give us projects and some tasks | 20:09 |
| nrcerna | so the main thing is that we're learning a lot from them, but it would be great that lelkneralfaro and zOnny could start learning about Drupal | 20:10 |
| jelkner | +1 | 20:10 |
| jelkner | maybe zOnny first? | 20:10 |
| jelkner | since lelkneralfaro is just starting to grok Django | 20:10 |
| nrcerna | I know that sometimes is kinda difficult because of time and schedules | 20:10 |
| nrcerna | but it would be a great way to get some collaborations with them | 20:11 |
| ubuntourist | php.net used to be a great site for quick reference documentation. I haven't checked in ages, but I assume it still is. | 20:11 |
| ubuntourist | very useful to zOnny and lelkneralfaro and anyone wanting to customize / understand Drupal a bit, methinks. | 20:11 |
| nrcerna | ACTION done | 20:12 |
| lelkneralfaro | I've played around a bit with Drupal before (just deployed a simple site locally and messed around with the UI) I'd probably be a lot better now that I have some more programming experience | 20:12 |
| nrcerna | great lelkneralfaro | 20:12 |
| ubuntourist | (PHP is to Drupal as Python is to Django.) | 20:12 |
| jelkner | so this is a really important business discussion | 20:12 |
| jelkner | we've been having it for years | 20:12 |
| jelkner | the tradeoffs: | 20:13 |
| jelkner | 1. being flexible enough to go where the work is | 20:13 |
| jelkner | 2. avoiding the trap of spreading ourselves so thin we ain't good at anything | 20:13 |
| jelkner | in this case, given what we said about Agraic and all the love they've shown us | 20:14 |
| jelkner | i say we should do it | 20:14 |
| jelkner | with the aim to support both Django and Drupal | 20:14 |
| jelkner | we are going where the work is with trusted cooperators | 20:14 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 20:14 |
| SITarabuta | the thing is | 20:14 |
| nrcerna | I think that you can be flexible, they're core product is Drupal but I also see that they are really open to do other things jelkner | 20:14 |
| SITarabuta | I don't think partners care what their website is built on | 20:15 |
| nrcerna | that's other thing we could learn from them | 20:15 |
| SITarabuta | they don't know Drupal or Django | 20:15 |
| SITarabuta | they just want it to work | 20:15 |
| abuchholz | +1 SITarabuta | 20:15 |
| ubuntourist | We may be in a position to educate them in our "country's customs" ;-) i.e. Python / Django. | 20:15 |
| jelkner | definitely, SITarabuta | 20:15 |
| jelkner | but for us to make it work | 20:15 |
| jelkner | *we* have to understand our own teck | 20:15 |
| jelkner | tech | 20:15 |
| SITarabuta | so just a question | 20:15 |
| SITarabuta | what is our issue right now | 20:15 |
| SITarabuta | not having enough work | 20:16 |
| jelkner | yes | 20:16 |
| SITarabuta | or not being able to do work | 20:16 |
| jelkner | both | 20:16 |
| SITarabuta | hmm | 20:16 |
| jelkner | we are kind of caught in the middle | 20:16 |
| jelkner | we've been talking about this a lot | 20:16 |
| SITarabuta | it really depens | 20:16 |
| SITarabuta | depends | 20:16 |
| jelkner | we have the skills to do basic websites | 20:16 |
| jelkner | that doesn't pay really well | 20:16 |
| ubuntourist | Seeing a Drupal module and looking under then hood at the PHP may lead to "That's cool but we could implement that better in Django." | 20:17 |
| nrcerna | we need enough hours each month SITarabuta | 20:17 |
| SITarabuta | well, I am sure if someone came to us and said let's do this for $100.000 we would do it | 20:17 |
| SITarabuta | but the issue is | 20:17 |
| jelkner | we are not yet at the place were we can do the kind of custom dev work i hoped would become our bread and butter | 20:17 |
| SITarabuta | nobody comes to us with that money | 20:17 |
| ubuntourist | +1 | 20:17 |
| nrcerna | but basic websites are something easy achievable | 20:17 |
| SITarabuta | we don't know that jelkner | 20:17 |
| SITarabuta | we haven't even tried! | 20:17 |
| SITarabuta | because nobody approached us | 20:17 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta, we are trying every day | 20:18 |
| jelkner | when will i be able to vote? | 20:18 |
| jelkner | until we can deliver things like that | 20:18 |
| SITarabuta | That is not custom dev work | 20:18 |
| SITarabuta | Wait wait | 20:18 |
| jelkner | sure it is | 20:18 |
| SITarabuta | I can deliver that tomorrow jelkner | 20:18 |
| abuchholz | lol | 20:18 |
| SITarabuta | the problem is another one | 20:18 |
| nrcerna | I think we need to separate those things jelkner | 20:18 |
| SITarabuta | Is it something urgent | 20:18 |
| SITarabuta | or can I focus on other parts | 20:18 |
| SITarabuta | of LibreOrganize | 20:18 |
| SITarabuta | because if it is | 20:19 |
| SITarabuta | then you have it tomorrow - seriously | 20:19 |
| jelkner | let's talk after | 20:19 |
| jelkner | we've made enough points for the record here | 20:19 |
| nrcerna | this is an ongoing discussion as jelkner said yesterday | 20:19 |
| nrcerna | anyone has anything else? | 20:20 |
| nrcerna | ACTION Drops the bag of gravel | 20:20 |
| nrcerna | thank you everyone! | 20:20 |
| jelkner | let's talk on jitsi! | 20:21 |
| nrcerna | https://meet.novawebdevelopment.org/planning zOnny, lelkneralfaro | 20:21 |
| nrcerna | amina | 20:21 |
| nrcerna | https://meet.novawebdevelopment.org/planning | 20:21 |
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| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, would you and samantha want to have breakfast on Saturday? | 23:42 |
| jelkner | i need to drop off the altair at kevin's | 23:42 |
| lelkneralfaro | sure | 23:42 |
| jelkner | and mami needs the car by 11 am | 23:42 |
| jelkner | name the place and the time | 23:42 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, ask sam first | 23:43 |
| jelkner | we have tomorrow | 23:43 |
| jelkner | i'll call | 23:43 |
| jelkner | ACTION signing off for the evening | 23:43 |
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