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| jelkner | ubuntourist: ping | 20:00 |
| jelkner | mjsir911: hi! | 20:00 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, | 20:00 |
| mjsir911 | Good morning jelkner | 20:00 |
| jelkner | morning where you are, maybe ;-) | 20:01 |
| jelkner | it's always morning somewhere | 20:01 |
| jelkner | how are you? | 20:01 |
| mjsir911 | Yes indeed, it just ticked over | 20:01 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, about to start class (I think) with Nathaniel, though network and power have been bad. | 20:01 |
| mjsir911 | I'm doing well, hanging in there | 20:01 |
| jelkner | mjsir911: how is the west coast? | 20:01 |
| mjsir911 | Much less snowy than the east coast it looks like :) | 20:02 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911, hail [no snow] and well-met! ;-) | 20:02 |
| jelkner | i've got my first vaccine shot already, mjsir911 | 20:02 |
| mjsir911 | o/ | 20:02 |
| jelkner | with the next one in a few weeks | 20:02 |
| mjsir911 | Glad to hear it, my dad has just got his as well | 20:02 |
| jelkner | looking forward to getting back to "normal" | 20:02 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911, Been having fun with "pip install scamp". enjoying it enough to pay $300 for a several-week course w/ the author. | 20:03 |
| jelkner | well, i just wanted to say hi, i'm getting ready to pack up and head over to drop off a computer with ubuntourist | 20:03 |
| jelkner | stay well, mjsir911 | 20:03 |
| mjsir911 | you too! | 20:03 |
| mjsir911 | ubuntourist: will look into it :D | 20:03 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911, Spent the semester trying to teach Altair 8800 (Intel 8080, circa 1975) machine language to both Jeff and his class. | 20:04 |
| mjsir911 | Yeah I heard! any fun projects with that? it seems rather limited | 20:05 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911, Now building a Sparkfun Red Hat Co.Lab BBC micro:bit robot for a HacDC class we're hoping to offer. | 20:05 |
| mjsir911 | Trying to dig through my history but I stumbled upon a music DSL (similar to scamp?) that I forgot to send your way | 20:06 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911, I like assembly languages. So, in that sense, it was fun. But yes. Very limited. I disagreed with Jeff on the value of using that as the model. | 20:06 |
| mjsir911 | Wow that sounds pretty awesome. I've definitely been slowing down with hardware recently, but still wanna make a turtle roomba one day :| | 20:06 |
| ubuntourist | BRB | 20:07 |
| ubuntourist | Back. | 20:08 |
| mjsir911 | Yeah ubuntourist assembly is fun, but I have fun doing stuff with it! | 20:08 |
| mjsir911 | It looks like [soul](https://soul-lang.github.io/SOUL/) might be what I'm thinking of | 20:08 |
| mjsir911 | ah yeah, demo: https://soul.dev/lab/ | 20:09 |
| ubuntourist | Jeff was swooning over the nostalgia of the old beastie and expecting students to swoon as well. (I swoon over old hardware too, sometimes. But I don't expect people under 40 to swoon with me.) | 20:09 |
| mjsir911 | When I was messing around with a limited instruction set assembly, I made my own forth in it! :P | 20:10 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911, Exactly! Toggling switches to watch LEDs is of very limited fun. Maybe 5 minutes. Not a whole semester! | 20:10 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911, There are modern systems with relatively simple instruction sets that would have been much more fun to work with. | 20:11 |
| mjsir911 | But yeah, I can probably imagine extracting a semester's worth of fun by maybe having a simulator & an assembler to run on my laptop | 20:11 |
| mjsir911 | My curriculum used [MARIE](http://www.cs.uni.edu/~fienup/cs041s11/lectures/Supplement_MARE_AL.pdf) which had a dumb java program for the simulating, so I made my own simulator | 20:12 |
| mjsir911 | basically could've done the same for the 8080 | 20:12 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911, Linux already provides the simh package which simulates a bunch o' machines, including the 8080 | 20:13 |
| ubuntourist | But, because he was so enamored by toggle switches and LEDs, the students never reached that stage. (Well, a few that I pushed did.) | 20:14 |
| ubuntourist | Most never understood anything about mnemonics and assemblers that produce binaries from the source. | 20:16 |
| mjsir911 | ubuntourist: simh seems wonderful! Maybe I should've wrote the MARIE simulator based on that... | 20:16 |
| ubuntourist | I hadn't really looked at it before this class, though I was vaguely aware of it. Now, I want to dig up some of my ollld DEC/PDP code and see what simh does with it. | 20:18 |
| ubuntourist | But I'd rather work with scamp, and build the wee Red Hat robot. ;-) | 20:18 |
| mjsir911 | Yup, that all seems very fun | 20:19 |
| ubuntourist | Flint is trying to make a wee music studio, but going about it in his usual chaotic, "I'll do everything in Bash" approach. | 20:19 |
| ubuntourist | Still, he's making something approaching "progress". He's trying to emulate (a strong word) an "echoplex" (see Wikipedia) with Bash, arecord, aplay, and aseqdump piped through grep and cut... | 20:21 |
| mjsir911 | ah, sounds like a mess and a challenge | 20:22 |
| ubuntourist | A horrible approach, but... Oh, and his buddy Chris Yarger set up a Gitea instance for him. Surprisingly, the domain gitbox.org was available. | 20:23 |
| ubuntourist | So, since he asked for it, and chris set it up, I'm trying to encourage flint to actually USE git. ;-) | 20:24 |
| ubuntourist | his echoplex monstrosity is out there now. (user = flint). | 20:24 |
| mjsir911 | Reminding me of all the infrstructure setup I've been procrastinating. Looking to set up a user-less sourcehut instance for myself | 20:24 |
| mjsir911 | I see! I'm glad to have the repos for some projects ya'll are working on now, will keep an eye out | 20:25 |
| mjsir911 | and gitbox.org is a great domain | 20:25 |
| ubuntourist | Looks like Liberia is still having power / network issues, and my 3:00 with Nathaniel is a no-show. | 20:26 |
| mjsir911 | Ah that's too bad, is that where he is now? Or is this a different nathaniel? | 20:27 |
| ubuntourist | I'm trying to keep most of my stuff on codeberg.org/ubuntourist, but I've started mirroring some of that to gitbox.org/ubuntourist | 20:27 |
| mjsir911 | Yeah, there's too many git hosting options now that I'm using. I figure it would be best to canonicalize my repos on my website | 20:27 |
| ubuntourist | Dunno which Nathaniel you're thinking of, but this is Isaac Zawolo's son. He and another guy are trying to set up Linux labs at 3 schools, and learn sys admin and HTML. | 20:29 |
| mjsir911 | Ah I see, different nathaniel :P | 20:29 |
| ubuntourist | (I had never met him. Jeff introduced us online about two months ago.) | 20:30 |
| mjsir911 | Well ubuntourist, I've gotta get back to work now. It was nice catching up! | 20:32 |
| ubuntourist | See ya round | 20:32 |
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