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| nrcerna | Morning lelkneralfaro | 15:16 |
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| nrcerna | !remind | 15:16 |
| How can we make the Decidim home page more welcoming? (jelkner) | 15:16 | |
| Is there a place I should be filing Decidim issues? (jelkner) | 15:16 | |
| lelkneralfaro | good morning nrcerna | 15:17 |
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| jelkner | !remind | 15:20 |
| How can we make the Decidim home page more welcoming? (jelkner) | 15:20 | |
| Is there a place I should be filing Decidim issues? (jelkner) | 15:20 | |
| nrcerna | !remind new project http://CitizenCommandCenter.org | 15:20 |
| 'new project http://CitizenCommandCenter.org' added to message queue | 15:20 | |
| nrcerna | !remind Can we market Spanish translations? | 15:21 |
| 'Can we market Spanish translations?' added to message queue | 15:21 | |
| jelkner | nrcerna: can we meet in BBB in 8 minutes? | 15:22 |
| nrcerna | yes :) jelkner | 15:22 |
| jelkner | cool, i'm there now | 15:22 |
| nrcerna | !remind | 15:23 |
| How can we make the Decidim home page more welcoming? (jelkner) | 15:23 | |
| Is there a place I should be filing Decidim issues? (jelkner) | 15:23 | |
| new project http://CitizenCommandCenter.org (nrcerna) | 15:23 | |
| Can we market Spanish translations? (nrcerna) | 15:23 | |
| nrcerna | !remind AEA issues | 15:35 |
| 'AEA issues' added to message queue | 15:35 | |
| nrcerna | !remind | 15:40 |
| How can we make the Decidim home page more welcoming? (jelkner) | 15:40 | |
| Is there a place I should be filing Decidim issues? (jelkner) | 15:40 | |
| new project http://CitizenCommandCenter.org (nrcerna) | 15:40 | |
| Can we market Spanish translations? (nrcerna) | 15:40 | |
| AEA issues (nrcerna) | 15:40 | |
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| SITarabuta : Hisham : abuchholz : +jelkner : nrcerna : lelkneralfaro : @mjsir911 : @ChanServ : wolcen | 16:00 | |
| Good afternoon everyone! | 16:00 | |
| It's 16:00 UTC and NOVA Web Development's bi-weekly meeting is starting. | 16:00 | |
| This is the agenda for today: | 16:00 | |
| How can we make the Decidim home page more welcoming? (jelkner) | 16:00 | |
| Is there a place I should be filing Decidim issues? (jelkner) | 16:00 | |
| new project http://CitizenCommandCenter.org (nrcerna) | 16:00 | |
| Can we market Spanish translations? (nrcerna) | 16:00 | |
| AEA issues (nrcerna) | 16:00 | |
| Have a nice day! | 16:00 | |
| nrcerna | Hello Everyone! | 16:00 |
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| jelkner | Good morning NOVA Websters! | 16:00 |
| Andrei | Hey everyone! | 16:00 |
| abuchholz | Hello | 16:00 |
| Hisham | Hello | 16:01 |
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| SITarabuta | Hellos! | 16:01 |
| nrcerna | :-D | 16:01 |
| nrcerna | Ok, let's start! | 16:01 |
| nrcerna | first item: How can we make the Decidim home page more welcoming? | 16:01 |
| jelkner | we now have 2 Decidim sites | 16:02 |
| SITarabuta | I realized you can't do anything on that website without logging in first. Not welcoming. | 16:02 |
| lelkneralfaro | SITarabuta, :D | 16:02 |
| nrcerna | right SITarabuta | 16:02 |
| SITarabuta | ;-) | 16:02 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta: that can't be correct | 16:02 |
| jelkner | as an organizer, i give someone a url | 16:03 |
| SITarabuta | And yet it is...? I think | 16:03 |
| jelkner | when they go to that url | 16:03 |
| jelkner | they should see something that makes them want to register | 16:03 |
| jelkner | if they don't, the site fails | 16:03 |
| jelkner | the main decidim sites does that | 16:03 |
| jelkner | ours do not | 16:03 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 16:03 |
| SITarabuta | https://ustechworkercoops.org/ | 16:03 |
| SITarabuta | Prompts you to register | 16:03 |
| lelkneralfaro | yes it does prompt you to register | 16:04 |
| abuchholz | can confirm | 16:04 |
| jelkner | yes SITarabuta and lelkneralfaro | 16:04 |
| jelkner | but it makes the case *why* you want to register | 16:04 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner is saying "Want to" | 16:04 |
| SITarabuta | In fact, you can view approximately 0% of the website without having an account. Pretty annoying | 16:04 |
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| SITarabuta | I see jelkner | 16:04 |
| mr_german | Good morning! | 16:04 |
| jelkner | Good morning, mr_german | 16:05 |
| ubuntourist | "Register now! Save the world and collect valuable prizes!" ;-) | 16:05 |
| jelkner | +1 | 16:05 |
| SITarabuta | ubuntourist knows the deal | 16:05 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist understands | 16:05 |
| SITarabuta | 100% Free guaranteed! | 16:05 |
| jelkner | so, ubuntourist, between you and me, we need to get the rest of the developers to understand | 16:05 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 16:05 |
| ubuntourist | "Fun for the whole family! Two for one discount! Hurry! Offer ends soon!" | 16:06 |
| jelkner | LoL | 16:06 |
| SITarabuta | I like this one more | 16:06 |
| SITarabuta | We should combine them | 16:06 |
| nrcerna | We talked about this with lelkneralfaro I was trying to see if we can customize the Homepage in order to make it better | 16:07 |
| nrcerna | more "welcoming" | 16:07 |
| jelkner | yes, nrcerna | 16:07 |
| jelkner | that's what we need | 16:07 |
| jelkner | and we really need it | 16:07 |
| jelkner | the alternative is to put Decidim behind some other website | 16:07 |
| jelkner | so the main url goes to a real home page | 16:08 |
| nrcerna | but seem like all the decidim websites are kinda the same since they respond to their layout | 16:08 |
| jelkner | that sounds bad | 16:08 |
| ubuntourist | Seriously, images / screen shots that quickly lead one to assess "Oh, this is a site for assembling, meeting, activism" | 16:08 |
| SITarabuta | A real Django webpage | 16:08 |
| nrcerna | so I'll keep reading and trying to se how can we make it, the other website just added some banners but is the same layout | 16:08 |
| jelkner | enough banners is all we need, nrcerna | 16:09 |
| jelkner | they should be eye catching | 16:09 |
| nrcerna | ACTION thinking about it | 16:09 |
| SITarabuta | Instead of messing with it and breaking it, it might actually be smart to have it behind a django website where we can do anything (as much as jelkner as it as a joke, it might be a good idea) | 16:09 |
| jelkner | and let folks know what the site is about | 16:09 |
| ubuntourist | Smiling faces, marching for a cause, graphs and charts showing "trends" for polls or votes, checklists of action items achieved, Yay! | 16:09 |
| jelkner | and why folks would want to get involved | 16:09 |
| SITarabuta | s/jelkner as it/jelkner said it/ | 16:10 |
| jelkner | all joking aside, ubuntourist, our sites don't even give anyone any idea what the site is about | 16:10 |
| nrcerna | So if we go with that SITarabuta means that I have enough freedom to design it, right? | 16:10 |
| jelkner | beyond the url | 16:10 |
| jelkner | and the title | 16:10 |
| SITarabuta | infinite freedom nrcerna :) | 16:10 |
| jelkner | +1 | 16:10 |
| SITarabuta | well.. up to our skills ;) | 16:10 |
| nrcerna | and then just change a little bit the decidim theme (fonts and colors) | 16:10 |
| jelkner | yup | 16:10 |
| nrcerna | Sounds good | 16:10 |
| nrcerna | Great then | 16:11 |
| jelkner | nrcerna: i can work with you on content | 16:11 |
| nrcerna | cool jelkner | 16:11 |
| nrcerna | Ok, let's move on | 16:11 |
| jelkner | +1 | 16:11 |
| nrcerna | next item: Is there a place I should be filing Decidim issues? | 16:11 |
| jelkner | i'll ask after | 16:11 |
| jelkner | i used email | 16:11 |
| jelkner | do you want me filing git issues somewhere? | 16:12 |
| lelkneralfaro | https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/projects/decidim-aea/-/issues | 16:12 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 16:12 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, the last two comments were serious. When I see something quickly that indicates either "like-minded people" or data resulting from use of the application, that's when I decide it's worthwhile to register. | 16:12 |
| lelkneralfaro | https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/projects/decidim-ustwc/-/issues | 16:12 |
| nrcerna | thanks lelkneralfaro | 16:12 |
| lelkneralfaro | whatever works for you jelkner | 16:12 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION is done | 16:12 |
| jelkner | perfect | 16:12 |
| jelkner | no, lelkneralfaro what works for you? | 16:12 |
| lelkneralfaro | email or git issue or phone call | 16:12 |
| jelkner | cool | 16:12 |
| lelkneralfaro | or text | 16:12 |
| jelkner | LoL | 16:13 |
| jelkner | or carrier pigeon? | 16:13 |
| lelkneralfaro | yes, that last one is preferable actually | 16:13 |
| nrcerna | lol | 16:13 |
| jelkner | soooo accomodating you NOVA Web peopler are! | 16:13 |
| SITarabuta | more reliable lelkneralfaro | 16:13 |
| ubuntourist | semaphore, ASL... | 16:13 |
| jelkner | git issues is best | 16:13 |
| jelkner | for tracking | 16:13 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 16:13 |
| nrcerna | next item: New project http://CitizenCommandCenter.org | 16:14 |
| nrcerna | So this is the one that jelkner sent (that Micky share with him) | 16:14 |
| jelkner | i am so glad to hear we are going to do this | 16:15 |
| ubuntourist | micky et al demo'ed it in a S&T several weeks ago. (I remember asking about the dichotomy between the URL and the title on the page.) | 16:15 |
| nrcerna | I just want to mention that we sell ourselves as a team and is going to be the first project that we're going to work with them like that | 16:15 |
| jelkner | nrcerna: so we need to stand and deliver, right? | 16:16 |
| nrcerna | lelkneralfaro, and I are going to meet with her this tuesday to know more details | 16:16 |
| ubuntourist | Currently S-L-O-W. Very slow. BTW, that search engine library I mentioned might come in handy for something like this, if | 16:16 |
| nrcerna | jelkner, you mentioned that you talked with SITarabuta about this as well | 16:17 |
| ubuntourist | the new native framework (Rails? Django?) isn't speedy enough. | 16:17 |
| SITarabuta | ubuntourist I thought there was not website in place. It just loaded | 16:17 |
| jelkner | nrcerna: yes, i did | 16:17 |
| nrcerna | so if you can and want to join us would be great SITarabuta | 16:17 |
| jelkner | i wanted to make sure he had our back on this | 16:17 |
| jelkner | please, SITarabuta | 16:17 |
| SITarabuta | Is this the Ruby thingy jelkner? | 16:17 |
| jelkner | this needs to be a whole team effort | 16:17 |
| jelkner | Yup | 16:17 |
| nrcerna | yes | 16:17 |
| SITarabuta | Ah cool, we talked about it | 16:17 |
| nrcerna | nice | 16:17 |
| SITarabuta | However | 16:18 |
| SITarabuta | I don't know how much we can improve it considering we don't know the inner workings and optimization stuff that we know for Django | 16:18 |
| SITarabuta | the little 'tricks' | 16:18 |
| nrcerna | yet SITarabuta | 16:19 |
| SITarabuta | hehe, discovering them in the midst of a project? Maybe not the best thing to do ;-) | 16:19 |
| jelkner | it's how the world works, SITarabuta | 16:19 |
| nrcerna | we have been learning that way, right? | 16:19 |
| ubuntourist | Start with a database dump to a standard SQL format... At least, that's where I'd start. | 16:19 |
| SITarabuta | to a certain degree nrcerna | 16:19 |
| nrcerna | I know that is going to be challenging SITarabuta | 16:20 |
| SITarabuta | I mean if it is all about the data, and the website looks simple, why can't we just port it to django? (maybe I missed something, in that case, sorry!) | 16:20 |
| nrcerna | for you SITarabuta and lelkneralfaro | 16:20 |
| nrcerna | mmm no, she didnt mentioned that I guess | 16:21 |
| jelkner | They want us to fix it, not rewrite it, SITarabuta | 16:21 |
| ubuntourist | That's the quickest way to "divorce" the data from the current platform (with the understanding that you'll need to do it again just before "going live".) | 16:21 |
| SITarabuta | Ah, so they are aware of the code and everything. Fair point | 16:21 |
| jelkner | if we want our little coop to survive, you are going to have to get used to the idea that for a long while we will be doing stuff like that | 16:22 |
| jelkner | fixing other people's messes | 16:22 |
| SITarabuta | Completely agree. Just trying to avoid it where possible | 16:22 |
| jelkner | if you leave NOVA Web that is what you will be doing too, as a lowly grunt | 16:22 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, Ah. In that case, I retract. I was thinking this might be a rewrite, given the slowness and 1980's styling. | 16:22 |
| jelkner | Micky said fix | 16:22 |
| SITarabuta | ubuntourist I am starting to like that styling;-) Pretty simple | 16:23 |
| jelkner | i'll leave it to the dev team to figure that out | 16:23 |
| nrcerna | :-/ SITarabuta | 16:23 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, I thought style was one of the issues. | 16:23 |
| jelkner | i'm just saying, the jump to a greenfield "let's write it again from scratch" | 16:23 |
| jelkner | is always going to be tempting | 16:23 |
| jelkner | but it is almost always a bad idea | 16:23 |
| SITarabuta | ubuntourist just in general, for me, not for websites we actually build | 16:23 |
| nrcerna | Ok, we will know what they're expecting of us after the first meeting | 16:24 |
| SITarabuta | jelkner LibreOrganize succeeded;-) seriously though, we probably shouldn't. I am just worried that our options are limited | 16:24 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, Well, if you're talking "just for me", I'm reasonably happy with the total lack of styling at http://research.gallaudet.edu/Tutorials/ | 16:25 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, ;-) | 16:25 |
| SITarabuta | ubuntourist, me likey ;-) | 16:25 |
| abuchholz | I like how the table shifts when you hover over the link | 16:25 |
| nrcerna | ACTION Crying | 16:26 |
| SITarabuta | abuchholz lol | 16:26 |
| SITarabuta | ACTION moving on... | 16:26 |
| nrcerna | Ok, next item: | 16:26 |
| nrcerna | Can we market Spanish translations? | 16:27 |
| jelkner | nrcerna: why not? | 16:27 |
| nrcerna | This past week I've been working on Lee Carter's translations | 16:27 |
| jelkner | since you will be the one doing it | 16:27 |
| jelkner | and it's your business | 16:27 |
| nrcerna | and I was mentioning lelkneralfaro that would be a great way to make easy income | 16:27 |
| jelkner | i'm not sure how lucrative it is | 16:28 |
| jelkner | but it is worth exploring | 16:28 |
| jelkner | since we have the skill | 16:28 |
| nrcerna | Hisham, can you help us to find something related? | 16:28 |
| Hisham | I sure can | 16:28 |
| SITarabuta | The pay rate is abominable though, right? | 16:28 |
| nrcerna | lelkneralfaro, came up with 0.15/word | 16:28 |
| Hisham | most definitely | 16:28 |
| nrcerna | But we can get a good income translating website for example | 16:29 |
| jelkner | 1 minute left | 16:29 |
| Hisham | Does it have to be for websites though? | 16:29 |
| SITarabuta | Hmm maybe it's not that bad. 7 words would be a dollar | 16:29 |
| SITarabuta | Oh my goodness, one minute left | 16:29 |
| SITarabuta | ACTION heavy breathing | 16:29 |
| nrcerna | Ok, we've been discussing the last item (AEA) | 16:29 |
| nrcerna | so we can continue that after | 16:30 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta, abuchholz how are we on Sanjay's next BT issue? | 16:30 |
| nrcerna | ACTION Drops the bag of gravel | 16:30 |
| SITarabuta | ACTION 12:30... No. That can't be. | 16:30 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta: time flies when you're having fun ;-) | 16:30 |
| SITarabuta | ;-) | 16:30 |
| jelkner | i didn't want to put it on the agenda, but i want to ask each week | 16:31 |
| abuchholz | jelkner We haven't made any progress. I told him it might be a little while cause we have school and Stefan is finishing up Nuerodivergent | 16:31 |
| jelkner | we need to keep that process moving | 16:31 |
| jelkner | ahh | 16:31 |
| jelkner | ok | 16:31 |
| abuchholz | so I told him we would work on it if not the first week of may | 16:31 |
| jelkner | very well | 16:31 |
| abuchholz | the second | 16:31 |
| jelkner | let's move to BBB | 16:31 |
| abuchholz | alright | 16:31 |
| nrcerna | :D | 16:31 |
| jelkner | so my fingers can rest... | 16:31 |
| nrcerna | thanks everyone | 16:31 |
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| Andrei | Guys I don't think I can log on to BBB | 16:37 |
| Andrei | I'm not currently home and my mobile data is pretty shaky | 16:38 |
| lelkneralfaro | Andrei, no problem! | 16:43 |
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