IRC log of #novawebdev for Sunday, 2021-05-02

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nrcernaMorning lelkneralfaro 15:16
nrcerna!remind15:16
How can we make the Decidim home page more welcoming? (jelkner)15:16
Is there a place I should be filing Decidim issues? (jelkner)15:16
lelkneralfarogood morning nrcerna 15:17
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jelkner!remind15:20
How can we make the Decidim home page more welcoming? (jelkner)15:20
Is there a place I should be filing Decidim issues? (jelkner)15:20
nrcerna!remind new project http://CitizenCommandCenter.org 15:20
'new project http://CitizenCommandCenter.org' added to message queue15:20
nrcerna!remind Can we market Spanish translations?15:21
'Can we market Spanish translations?' added to message queue15:21
jelknernrcerna: can we meet in BBB in 8 minutes?15:22
nrcernayes :) jelkner 15:22
jelknercool, i'm there now15:22
nrcerna!remind15:23
How can we make the Decidim home page more welcoming? (jelkner)15:23
Is there a place I should be filing Decidim issues? (jelkner)15:23
new project http://CitizenCommandCenter.org (nrcerna)15:23
Can we market Spanish translations? (nrcerna)15:23
nrcerna!remind AEA issues15:35
'AEA issues' added to message queue15:35
nrcerna!remind15:40
How can we make the Decidim home page more welcoming? (jelkner)15:40
Is there a place I should be filing Decidim issues? (jelkner)15:40
new project http://CitizenCommandCenter.org (nrcerna)15:40
Can we market Spanish translations? (nrcerna)15:40
AEA issues (nrcerna)15:40
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SITarabuta : Hisham : abuchholz : +jelkner : nrcerna : lelkneralfaro : @mjsir911 : @ChanServ : wolcen16:00
Good afternoon everyone!16:00
It's 16:00 UTC and NOVA Web Development's bi-weekly meeting is starting.16:00
This is the agenda for today:16:00
How can we make the Decidim home page more welcoming? (jelkner)16:00
Is there a place I should be filing Decidim issues? (jelkner)16:00
new project http://CitizenCommandCenter.org (nrcerna)16:00
Can we market Spanish translations? (nrcerna)16:00
AEA issues (nrcerna)16:00
Have a nice day!16:00
nrcernaHello Everyone!16:00
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jelknerGood morning NOVA Websters!16:00
AndreiHey everyone!16:00
abuchholzHello16:00
HishamHello16:01
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SITarabutaHellos!16:01
nrcerna:-D16:01
nrcernaOk, let's start!16:01
nrcernafirst item: How can we make the Decidim home page more welcoming?16:01
jelknerwe now have 2 Decidim sites16:02
SITarabutaI realized you can't do anything on that website without logging in first. Not welcoming.16:02
lelkneralfaroSITarabuta, :D16:02
nrcernaright SITarabuta 16:02
SITarabuta;-)16:02
jelknerSITarabuta: that can't be correct16:02
jelkneras an organizer, i give someone a url16:03
SITarabutaAnd yet it is...? I think16:03
jelknerwhen they go to that url16:03
jelknerthey should see something that makes them want to register16:03
jelknerif they don't, the site fails16:03
jelknerthe main decidim sites does that16:03
jelknerours do not16:03
jelknerACTION done16:03
SITarabutahttps://ustechworkercoops.org/16:03
SITarabutaPrompts you to register16:03
lelkneralfaroyes it does prompt you to register16:04
abuchholzcan confirm16:04
jelkneryes SITarabuta and lelkneralfaro 16:04
jelknerbut it makes the case *why* you want to register16:04
ubuntouristjelkner is saying "Want to"16:04
SITarabutaIn fact, you can view approximately 0% of the website without having an account. Pretty annoying16:04
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SITarabutaI see jelkner16:04
mr_germanGood morning!16:04
jelknerGood morning, mr_german 16:05
ubuntourist"Register now! Save the world and collect valuable prizes!" ;-)16:05
jelkner+116:05
SITarabutaubuntourist knows the deal16:05
jelknerubuntourist understands16:05
SITarabuta100% Free guaranteed!16:05
jelknerso, ubuntourist, between you and me, we need to get the rest of the developers to understand16:05
jelknerACTION done16:05
ubuntourist"Fun for the whole family!  Two for one discount!  Hurry! Offer ends soon!"16:06
jelknerLoL16:06
SITarabutaI like this one more16:06
SITarabutaWe should combine them16:06
nrcernaWe talked about this with lelkneralfaro I was trying to see if we can customize the Homepage in order to make it better16:07
nrcernamore "welcoming"16:07
jelkneryes, nrcerna 16:07
jelknerthat's what we need16:07
jelknerand we really need it16:07
jelknerthe alternative is to put Decidim behind some other website16:07
jelknerso the main url goes to a real home page16:08
nrcernabut seem like all the decidim websites are kinda the same since they respond to their layout16:08
jelknerthat sounds bad16:08
ubuntouristSeriously, images / screen shots that quickly lead one to assess "Oh, this is a site for assembling, meeting, activism"16:08
SITarabutaA real Django webpage16:08
nrcernaso I'll keep reading and trying to se how can we make it, the other website just added some banners but is the same layout16:08
jelknerenough banners is all we need, nrcerna 16:09
jelknerthey should be eye catching16:09
nrcernaACTION thinking about it16:09
SITarabutaInstead of messing with it and breaking it, it might actually be smart to have it behind a django website where we can do anything (as much as jelkner as it as a joke, it might be a good idea)16:09
jelknerand let folks know what the site is about16:09
ubuntouristSmiling faces, marching for a cause, graphs and charts showing "trends" for polls or votes, checklists of action items achieved, Yay!16:09
jelknerand why folks would want to get involved16:09
SITarabutas/jelkner as it/jelkner said it/16:10
jelknerall joking aside, ubuntourist, our sites don't even give anyone any idea what the site is about16:10
nrcernaSo if we go with that SITarabuta  means that I have enough freedom to design it, right?16:10
jelknerbeyond the url16:10
jelknerand the title16:10
SITarabutainfinite freedom nrcerna :)16:10
jelkner+116:10
SITarabutawell.. up to our skills ;)16:10
nrcernaand then just change a little bit the decidim theme (fonts and colors)16:10
jelkneryup16:10
nrcernaSounds good16:10
nrcernaGreat then16:11
jelknernrcerna: i can work with you on content16:11
nrcernacool jelkner 16:11
nrcernaOk, let's move on16:11
jelkner+116:11
nrcernanext item: Is there a place I should be filing Decidim issues?16:11
jelkneri'll ask after16:11
jelkneri used email16:11
jelknerdo you want me filing git issues somewhere?16:12
lelkneralfarohttps://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/projects/decidim-aea/-/issues16:12
jelknerACTION done16:12
ubuntouristjelkner, the last two comments were serious. When I see something quickly that indicates either "like-minded people" or data resulting from use of the application, that's when I decide it's worthwhile to register.16:12
lelkneralfarohttps://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/projects/decidim-ustwc/-/issues16:12
nrcernathanks lelkneralfaro 16:12
lelkneralfarowhatever works for you jelkner 16:12
ubuntouristACTION is done16:12
jelknerperfect16:12
jelknerno, lelkneralfaro what works for you?16:12
lelkneralfaroemail or git issue or phone call16:12
jelknercool16:12
lelkneralfaroor text16:12
jelknerLoL16:13
jelkneror carrier pigeon?16:13
lelkneralfaroyes, that last one is preferable actually16:13
nrcernalol16:13
jelknersoooo accomodating you NOVA Web peopler are!16:13
SITarabutamore reliable lelkneralfaro16:13
ubuntouristsemaphore, ASL...16:13
jelknergit issues is best16:13
jelknerfor tracking16:13
jelknerACTION done16:13
nrcernanext item: New project http://CitizenCommandCenter.org16:14
nrcernaSo this is the one that jelkner sent (that Micky share with him)16:14
jelkneri am so glad to hear we are going to do this16:15
ubuntouristmicky et al demo'ed it in a S&T several weeks ago. (I remember asking about the dichotomy between the URL and the title on the page.)16:15
nrcernaI just want to mention that we sell ourselves as a team and is going to be the first project that we're going to work with them like that16:15
jelknernrcerna: so we need to stand and deliver, right?16:16
nrcernalelkneralfaro, and I are going to meet with her this tuesday to know more details16:16
ubuntouristCurrently S-L-O-W. Very slow. BTW, that search engine library I mentioned might come in handy for something like this, if16:16
nrcernajelkner, you mentioned that you talked with SITarabuta about this as well16:17
ubuntouristthe new native framework (Rails? Django?) isn't speedy enough.16:17
SITarabutaubuntourist I thought there was not website in place. It just loaded16:17
jelknernrcerna: yes, i did16:17
nrcernaso if you can and want to join us would be great SITarabuta 16:17
jelkneri wanted to make sure he had our back on this16:17
jelknerplease, SITarabuta 16:17
SITarabutaIs this the Ruby thingy jelkner?16:17
jelknerthis needs to be a whole team effort16:17
jelknerYup16:17
nrcernayes16:17
SITarabutaAh cool, we talked about it16:17
nrcernanice16:17
SITarabutaHowever16:18
SITarabutaI don't know how much we can improve it considering we don't know the inner workings and optimization stuff that we know for Django16:18
SITarabutathe little 'tricks'16:18
nrcernayet SITarabuta 16:19
SITarabutahehe, discovering them in the midst of a project? Maybe not the best thing to do ;-)16:19
jelknerit's how the world works, SITarabuta 16:19
nrcernawe have been learning that way, right?16:19
ubuntouristStart with a database dump to a standard SQL format... At least, that's where I'd start.16:19
SITarabutato a certain degree nrcerna16:19
nrcernaI know that is going to be challenging SITarabuta 16:20
SITarabutaI mean if it is all about the data, and the website looks simple, why can't we just port it to django? (maybe I missed something, in that case, sorry!)16:20
nrcernafor you SITarabuta and lelkneralfaro 16:20
nrcernammm no, she didnt mentioned that I guess16:21
jelknerThey want us to fix it, not rewrite it, SITarabuta 16:21
ubuntouristThat's the quickest way to "divorce" the data from the current platform (with the understanding that you'll need to do it again just before "going live".)16:21
SITarabutaAh, so they are aware of the code and everything. Fair point16:21
jelknerif we want our little coop to survive, you are going to have to get used to the idea that for a long while we will be doing stuff like that16:22
jelknerfixing other people's messes16:22
SITarabutaCompletely agree. Just trying to avoid it where possible16:22
jelknerif you leave NOVA Web that is what you will be doing too, as a lowly grunt16:22
ubuntouristjelkner, Ah. In that case, I retract. I was thinking this might be a rewrite, given the slowness and 1980's styling. 16:22
jelknerMicky said fix16:22
SITarabutaubuntourist I am starting to like that styling;-)  Pretty simple16:23
jelkneri'll leave it to the dev team to figure that out16:23
nrcerna:-/ SITarabuta 16:23
ubuntouristSITarabuta, I thought style was one of the issues.16:23
jelkneri'm just saying, the jump to a greenfield "let's write it again from scratch"16:23
jelkneris always going to be tempting16:23
jelknerbut it is almost always a bad idea16:23
SITarabutaubuntourist just in general, for me, not for websites we actually build16:23
nrcernaOk, we will know what they're expecting of us after the first meeting16:24
SITarabutajelkner LibreOrganize succeeded;-)  seriously though, we probably shouldn't. I am just worried that our options are limited16:24
ubuntouristSITarabuta, Well, if you're talking "just for me", I'm reasonably happy with the total lack of styling at http://research.gallaudet.edu/Tutorials/16:25
ubuntouristSITarabuta, ;-)16:25
SITarabutaubuntourist, me likey ;-)16:25
abuchholzI like how the table shifts when you hover over the link16:25
nrcernaACTION Crying 16:26
SITarabutaabuchholz lol16:26
SITarabutaACTION moving on...16:26
nrcernaOk, next item:16:26
nrcernaCan we market Spanish translations?16:27
jelknernrcerna: why not?16:27
nrcernaThis past week I've been working on Lee Carter's translations16:27
jelknersince you will be the one doing it16:27
jelknerand it's your business16:27
nrcernaand I was mentioning lelkneralfaro that would be a great way to make easy income16:27
jelkneri'm not sure how lucrative it is16:28
jelknerbut it is worth exploring16:28
jelknersince we have the skill16:28
nrcernaHisham, can you help us to find something related?16:28
HishamI sure can16:28
SITarabutaThe pay rate is abominable though, right?16:28
nrcernalelkneralfaro, came up with 0.15/word16:28
Hishammost definitely16:28
nrcernaBut we can get a good income translating website for example16:29
jelkner1 minute left16:29
HishamDoes it have to be for websites though?16:29
SITarabutaHmm maybe it's not that bad. 7 words would be a dollar16:29
SITarabutaOh my goodness, one minute left16:29
SITarabutaACTION heavy breathing16:29
nrcernaOk, we've been discussing the last item (AEA)16:29
nrcernaso we can continue that after16:30
jelknerSITarabuta, abuchholz how are we on Sanjay's next BT issue?16:30
nrcernaACTION Drops the bag of gravel16:30
SITarabutaACTION 12:30... No. That can't be.16:30
jelknerSITarabuta: time flies when you're having fun ;-)16:30
SITarabuta;-)16:30
jelkneri didn't want to put it on the agenda, but i want to ask each week16:31
abuchholzjelkner We haven't made any progress. I told him it might be a little while cause we have school and Stefan is finishing up Nuerodivergent16:31
jelknerwe need to keep that process moving16:31
jelknerahh16:31
jelknerok16:31
abuchholzso I told him we would work on it if not the first week of may16:31
jelknervery well16:31
abuchholzthe second16:31
jelknerlet's move to BBB16:31
abuchholzalright16:31
nrcerna:D16:31
jelknerso my fingers can rest...16:31
nrcernathanks everyone16:31
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AndreiGuys I don't think I can log on to BBB16:37
AndreiI'm not currently home and my mobile data is pretty shaky16:38
lelkneralfaroAndrei, no problem!16:43
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