| sitarabuta | !agenda | 01:16 |
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| sitarabuta | !remind | 01:16 |
| *-* nothing to see here *-* | 01:16 | |
| sitarabuta | hmm this is not good. | 01:16 |
| sitarabuta | !remind | 01:18 |
| *-* nothing to see here *-* | 01:18 | |
| sitarabuta | what is happening. | 01:19 |
| sitarabuta_ | !remind | 01:27 |
| Discuss https://possiblefutures.tech/ and synergies with MSP and CJS (jelkner) | 01:27 | |
| Moving to Europe on July 16th (sitarabuta) | 01:27 | |
| Becoming a Member? (abuchholz) | 01:27 | |
| sitarabuta | !remind Welcome to OFTC and say hello to LittleWebster | 01:28 |
| 'Welcome to OFTC and say hello to LittleWebster' added to message queue | 01:28 | |
| sitarabuta | !agenda | 01:34 |
| LittleWebster | Warning: There are no items on the agenda! | 01:34 |
| sitarabuta | !forcerun | 01:35 |
| sitarabuta | !forceru | 01:40 |
| sitarabuta | !forcerun | 01:40 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, I went a'beering at the Saloon.... Speak softly this morning. ;-) | 12:36 |
| ubuntourist | Also, are we completely, officially off Freenode? If so, I'll drop #novawebdev from my Freenode "autojoin" list. | 12:37 |
| jelkner | I did. | 12:37 |
| jelkner | Stefan says passwords were compromised | 12:37 |
| jelkner | i'm working on an email to folks now about tomorrow | 12:38 |
| jelkner | to tell Colombene and interns where to find us | 12:38 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist: why am i not green? | 12:38 |
| jelkner | you and mjsir911 have a green circle next to your names, but not me | 12:38 |
| ubuntourist | This I do not understand: I set you, stefan, marco and myself up the same way... So, I dunno why you're not green. (At least I think I set you up the same as the three of us...) | 12:39 |
| ubuntourist | I will look again. | 12:40 |
| ubuntourist | I know stefan has been adjusting things after I did stuff. Perhaps he's changed the colors... ;-) | 12:41 |
| jelkner | i need to switch computers, drats | 12:44 |
| jelkner | sound is not working from my browser | 12:44 |
| jelkner | i'll be back | 12:44 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist: it's not my browser | 12:55 |
| jelkner | it's community bridge | 12:55 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, mind = sieve. jelkne'rs classroom? | 12:55 |
| jelkner | micky emailed about an update | 12:55 |
| jelkner | seems sound doesn't work | 12:55 |
| ubuntourist | Yeah, I saw the notice this morning. | 12:55 |
| ubuntourist | Uh-oh! | 12:56 |
| jelkner | can you meet me in my Meet.coop room? | 12:56 |
| jelkner | https://ca.meet.coop/b/jef-a1f-1y7-7zr | 12:56 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, How do you know sound's not working? | 12:56 |
| jelkner | i never get the echo | 12:57 |
| ubuntourist | Because I think it's working for me. | 12:57 |
| jelkner | let me try | 12:57 |
| jelkner | but the sound check always echos | 12:57 |
| ubuntourist | There's no echo test any more. | 12:57 |
| jelkner | not so now | 12:57 |
| jelkner | ahh | 12:57 |
| jelkner | never mind | 12:57 |
| jelkner | see you there | 12:57 |
| ubuntourist | Micky said that in her e-mail. | 12:57 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off | 14:04 |
| mjsir911 | ubuntourist: its an away thing probably if its gone now | 14:09 |
| ubuntourist | ? | 14:09 |
| mjsir911 | the green dot next to to our names might be an "away" flag | 14:10 |
| mjsir911 | *but* I don't think thats it, I see "@"s next to our names and not jelkner, looks to just be a normal permission thing :P | 14:11 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911, When you or I or Stefan get on, the sidebar lists us as green -- which I believe indicates we're channel ops (or better). When jelkner gets on, he is not green, | 14:11 |
| mjsir911 | yup! thats probably it | 14:12 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911, and he demonstrated that he doesn't have chanop privs despite the fact that chanserv says he does. | 14:12 |
| mjsir911 | Ah, probably needs to be auto-opped | 14:13 |
| ubuntourist | Personally, I suspect he's got something strangely configured (or not configured) at his end: Something not quite done in his HexChat cliient. | 14:13 |
| mjsir911 | Oh, yeah, maybe | 14:13 |
| ubuntourist | I've also set chanserv to autoop people who have the magjic... | 14:13 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911, /msg chanserv info #novawebdev | 14:14 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911, /msg chanserv access #novawebdev list | 14:14 |
| mjsir911 | I see, AUTOOP | 14:14 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911, and, it works for you, me and stefan just fine. As expected. So, I don't think it's an OFTC problem. | 14:15 |
| mjsir911 | hmm yeah I'm out of ideas if auto-op is working | 14:16 |
| ubuntourist | Well, we can continue to dig. (Honestly, I think he's a bit over concerned: Based on what he said, he's only ever had to ban someone once in the 20+ years he's been using IRC. And that's the only thing he says he needs OP for.) | 14:18 |
| mjsir911 | yes, but on the other hand, having a gree dot next to your name is fun :D | 14:19 |
| ubuntourist | There is that. I can lord it over him. Nyah-nyah! ;-) | 14:19 |
| ubuntourist | So. How's life post-vaccination treating you? | 14:20 |
| mjsir911 | I wish I could say its different than post-vaccination, but I don't really go out all that much ubuntourist :< | 14:21 |
| mjsir911 | Once things open up I'll probably start attending in-person meetups of various kinds | 14:21 |
| mjsir911 | s/post/pre | 14:21 |
| ubuntourist | Well, for me, I am both a "social drinker" and a "social musician". And so, for 18 months I was neither drinking nor playing. I'm back to playing with other people, and occasionally, drinkiing -- considerably less often than before. | 14:23 |
| ubuntourist | Getting back to making music -- albeit not well -- has been great! | 14:24 |
| ubuntourist | Gotta do a LOT more of that! | 14:24 |
| mjsir911 | I'm glad to hear things are going back to normal for you! I am getting closer myself to purchasing a guitar, so hopefully that happens soon... | 14:24 |
| ubuntourist | I'm intrigued by weird instruments, even if I never buy any. There's a company in Baltimore that makes a "harpejji". I wish I knew someone who had one, just because I want to sit down with it for an hour or two and fool with it. | 14:26 |
| ubuntourist | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harpejji | 14:27 |
| ubuntourist | https://www.marcodi.com/ | 14:27 |
| mjsir911 | Oh that does look strange! but pretty cool, too | 14:28 |
| ubuntourist | https://youtu.be/Wr87Z7rZiWE | 14:30 |
| mjsir911 | I still have dreams for a "vim music instrument", but not knowing anything of the ecosystem doesn't really help being able to describe it better | 14:31 |
| ubuntourist | (That was one of the better examples of what you can do with it. There's also videos of Stevie Wonder "singing" its praises.) | 14:31 |
| mjsir911 | yeah! It seems like they have some big name celebrities with this specific retailer | 14:32 |
| ubuntourist | I'm still liking your idea of the laser guitar, though I've seen other examples of "break the beam" sound instruments. | 14:32 |
| ubuntourist | Want a laugh? | 14:33 |
| mjsir911 | always :) | 14:33 |
| mjsir911 | the laser harp seems to be more realistic | 14:33 |
| ubuntourist | In an effort to stop robo-callers, I decided to have a bit of fun: | 14:33 |
| ubuntourist | The three tones that precede "The number you have reached ... is not in service" are very specific, and meant to tell automatic systems to hang up. (A lot do not, but at least SOME still do.) | 14:34 |
| ubuntourist | It always struck me that those tones were a rhythmically incorrect, slightly out of tune introduction to a bit of classical music. | 14:35 |
| ubuntourist | So, I've made a phone message that plays the tune and then "sings" it with words I've composed: "At the tone... don't hang up... leave your num-ber... Don't forget... also leave... a con-cise... reason why... you have called." | 14:36 |
| ubuntourist | So, call 202-234-0213 now and listen. 34 seconds. | 14:37 |
| mjsir911 | Is it just for artsy purposes? Those tones you sing wouldn't be picked up from automated services, right? | 14:37 |
| ubuntourist | I generated the tones. So more than artsy. It does the "instrumental" part first. It should trigger automated systems that pay attention. | 14:38 |
| ubuntourist | The sung part is two synthetic voices singing in harmony. | 14:39 |
| mjsir911 | wow! That's pretty cool, like modern day phreaking :) with a bit of an artsy spin | 14:39 |
| mjsir911 | So, you've gave in & bought a phone ubuntourist? | 14:42 |
| ubuntourist | courtesy of Python, (import numpy, sounddevice, soundfile and math), festival, and a bit of MuseScore3 to help me test. | 14:42 |
| ubuntourist | Nope. That's still my landline. | 14:42 |
| mjsir911 | Ah, I see | 14:43 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911, But it's getting MUCH harder to resist: I'm planning to write to the city council in protest: Several businesses have completely given up the idea of service that does not require a phone. | 14:44 |
| mjsir911 | I agree ubuntourist, in just trying to not download *apps* on my phone I've had to give up on using doordash. They're customer request could not computer "I don't have a phone to download the app on" | 14:45 |
| ubuntourist | Some restaurants are no longer providing menus: You have to call up their menu on your phone, and pay via Venmo or whatever hellish system they provide. | 14:45 |
| mjsir911 | I'll be soon to join you as well, I'm sure. I'm really hoping my next phone is a dumb phone once I purchase a music player: https://www.fiio.com/m6 | 14:46 |
| ubuntourist | I love tech, but the faceless, corporate monster that it has become is pure evil. I'm actually considering hiring a lawyer for a problem I have: | 14:47 |
| ubuntourist | In April 2020, I finally switched to Verizon FiOS, because I really needed better bandwidth at home, and that's the only way to get it for this building. Fine. | 14:49 |
| ubuntourist | Verizon helpfully noticed that I was paying AT&T for my long-distance service, and sent them a notice saying "That's okay, you can go away now, we've got that covered". Again, this was the right thing to do. | 14:50 |
| ubuntourist | But the problem: AT&T closed the account, but continue to charge me every month. Everyone I've spoken with at AT&T says that I must be mistaken. And my credit union says it cannot prevent AT&T from making the withdrawals. | 14:51 |
| ubuntourist | I even had one AT&T rep claim that the company has never had any service in Washington, DC. | 14:52 |
| mjsir911 | Oof, yeah, this does sound a situation where you need a lawyer to write an angry letter. | 14:52 |
| mjsir911 | Sounds more to me like a bureaucracy problem than a tech problem, though | 14:52 |
| ubuntourist | Verizon helpfully provided me with documentation (order number, date, etc) verifying that they told AT&T to close the account. AT&T claims that I do not have an account with them any longer, and therefore they cannot cancel withdrawals for an account that does not exist. | 14:54 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911, Yeah, but the bureaucracy bows to the machine. | 14:54 |
| mjsir911 | Fair enough, its easier to launder responsibility into the black box nobody tries to understand | 14:55 |
| mjsir911 | ML/AI is just the next step at that, where *nobody* understands what its doing | 14:55 |
| ubuntourist | It's like watching a cashier who cannot do basic math punch numbers into a cash register, and when you try to point out an error in the receipt, they are completely baffled, and convinced you are trying to cheat the system. | 14:55 |
| ubuntourist | EXACTLY! | 14:56 |
| ubuntourist | And now I'm reading about cities that want to prevent the average citizen from using facial recognition tech (okay) but make an exception for law enforcement... Um... Surveillance state? 1984? | 14:57 |
| ubuntourist | Anyway, I'm just becoming an old luddite ranting against the system. Time to go off and do somthing else. ;-) | 14:59 |
| mjsir911 | Yep, it was nice talking ubuntourist! | 14:59 |
| ubuntourist | Yes, good catching up. Hope to hear you on guitar someday. ;-) | 14:59 |
| jelkner | sitarabuta: ping | 18:06 |
| sitarabuta | jelkner, are you identified? | 18:06 |
| sitarabuta | jelkner, pong | 18:06 |
| sitarabuta | You should have op | 18:06 |
| jelkner | * End of /MOTD command. | 18:07 |
| jelkner | * jelkner sets mode +i on jelkner | 18:07 |
| jelkner | I believe I am identified | 18:07 |
| jelkner | kevin couldn't figure this out | 18:07 |
| jelkner | he looked at it this morning | 18:07 |
| sitarabuta | Well | 18:07 |
| jelkner | also, mjsir911 should be given the highest access | 18:07 |
| sitarabuta | He has it | 18:07 |
| jelkner | cool | 18:08 |
| sitarabuta | mjsir911, ubuntourist, you and I have op | 18:08 |
| sitarabuta | *should* | 18:08 |
| jelkner | when ubuntourist looked this morning, he didn't | 18:08 |
| sitarabuta | did you /ns identify password | 18:08 |
| jelkner | hexchat does that on longin | 18:08 |
| jelkner | login | 18:08 |
| sitarabuta | Right... | 18:09 |
| sitarabuta | It does work for me | 18:09 |
| sitarabuta | It seems to also work for mjsir911 - he has the green circle | 18:09 |
| jelkner | yup | 18:09 |
| mjsir911 | ACTION is debugging as well for a second | 18:09 |
| jelkner | don't know what's wrong with me | 18:09 |
| mjsir911 | ok, so manual opping works | 18:09 |
| sitarabuta | Yep | 18:10 |
| jelkner | so why don't i get it on login | 18:10 |
| jelkner | ? | 18:10 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist and i tried this morning | 18:10 |
| sitarabuta | Let me remove you from the list | 18:10 |
| mjsir911 | jelkner: can you try /part ing and re-joining the channel | 18:10 |
| sitarabuta | and re-add you | 18:10 |
| *** jelkner has left #novawebdev (Leaving) | 18:11 | |
| sitarabuta | I re-added you. You still didn't get it. Hmm | 18:11 |
| mjsir911 | hmm, seems keeping the connection open while rejoining the channel doesn't do anything | 18:11 |
| sitarabuta | Did you verify your account on OFTC.net jelkner? | 18:11 |
| jelkner | not sure | 18:11 |
| sitarabuta | I don't know if it has anything to do with it, but let me tell you the steps | 18:11 |
| mjsir911 | sitarabuta: NickServ info jelkner gives: VERIFIED: YES | 18:12 |
| jelkner | oh, sorry | 18:12 |
| sitarabuta | Ah, smart. Thanks mjsir911 | 18:12 |
| jelkner | i have had a verified account here since the OLPC days | 18:13 |
| jelkner | 10 years ago | 18:13 |
| jelkner | or more | 18:13 |
| sitarabuta | Holy cow! | 18:13 |
| sitarabuta | Veteran ;-) | 18:13 |
| jelkner | 2007 | 18:13 |
| jelkner | i just looked ;-) | 18:13 |
| jelkner | olpc used this for communication | 18:13 |
| jelkner | but i had forgotten my password | 18:14 |
| sitarabuta | Could you reset it? | 18:14 |
| jelkner | so i had to send an email requesting a reset | 18:14 |
| jelkner | they were very responsive | 18:14 |
| jelkner | sitarabuta: could i reset what? | 18:14 |
| sitarabuta | the password | 18:14 |
| jelkner | why? | 18:14 |
| sitarabuta | But you already replied to that ;-) | 18:15 |
| sitarabuta | Because you forgot it! :-) | 18:15 |
| jelkner | yeah, it's all good now | 18:15 |
| jelkner | so, we still don't know why i don't get channel op | 18:15 |
| jelkner | i'll leave that in your capable hands | 18:16 |
| sitarabuta | You are now CHANOP instead of MASTER | 18:16 |
| sitarabuta | I wonder if that is gonna fix it. Probably not. | 18:16 |
| *** mjsir911 has left #novawebdev (WeeChat 3.1) | 18:16 | |
| *** mjsir911 has left #novawebdev (WeeChat 3.1) | 18:16 | |
| sitarabuta | Wait. | 18:16 |
| jelkner | no, sitarabuta, i'm not | 18:16 |
| mjsir911 | btw sitarabuta, when auto-op is off I'm still given voice | 18:16 |
| sitarabuta | There is also AUTOVOICE I think, mjsir911 | 18:17 |
| sitarabuta | jelkner, | 18:17 |
| mjsir911 | yes but that's *also* not applied to jelkner | 18:17 |
| sitarabuta | it applies after a log in and out usually | 18:17 |
| sitarabuta | mjsir911, right.. It doesn't give him anything. | 18:17 |
| mjsir911 | sitarabuta: applies after parting & re-joining | 18:17 |
| sitarabuta | Usually does that when the user is not identified | 18:17 |
| sitarabuta | mjsir911, oh I see | 18:17 |
| mjsir911 | no need for a full reconnection & I would like to debug without one, complicates things where the problem might be "chanserv checks for verification before hexchat auto-logs in" | 18:18 |
| jelkner | gentleman, i've got to get things ready for the PRIME interns | 18:18 |
| sitarabuta | alright jelkner. | 18:18 |
| jelkner | so i'm signing off until tomorrow. | 18:18 |
| mjsir911 | o/ | 18:18 |
| jelkner | ACTION leaves | 18:18 |
| sitarabuta | This is weird mjsir911. I made a test account 2 days ago and played with all this stuff and there was nothing broken. Could it be on jelkner's end? | 18:19 |
| sitarabuta | It also seems to work for us, so... | 18:19 |
| mjsir911 | sitarabuta, can you type /mode somewhere and give me the result? | 18:22 |
| sitarabuta | For this channel, we have: | 18:22 |
| mjsir911 | specifically I want your user mode, mine is +Ri | 18:22 |
| sitarabuta | Oh ok | 18:23 |
| sitarabuta | Crap what did AI do | 18:23 |
| sitarabuta | NOOO | 18:23 |
| sitarabuta | Ahhh stupid commands always get them wrong. | 18:23 |
| mjsir911 | um, the previous mode was +nt | 18:23 |
| sitarabuta | Thanks. | 18:23 |
| sitarabuta | Hm. I thought it would be /mode sitarabuta to get my mode, but I guess that does not work. | 18:24 |
| sitarabuta | In anyway, mode mode is +iR | 18:24 |
| sitarabuta | same as yours. | 18:25 |
| mjsir911 | I'm going to stick with my theory of "hexchat is logging in after chanserv is identifying", that sounds plausible & it took a while for jelkner to rejoin with what should've just been a /part /join | 18:25 |
| mjsir911 | If you have the time to reproduce/test that, it'd be appreciated. basically just identifying with nickserve 10 seconds after you join the channel as an admin | 18:25 |
| sitarabuta | HexChat is doing something else for me though. When I start it up, it waits for me to be identified and then join any channels. | 18:26 |
| sitarabuta | Sure, I can do that. | 18:26 |
| mjsir911 | hmm, I couldn't say then. it sounds like your hexchat is acting sanely | 18:26 |
| sitarabuta | Yep ;-) jelker could have some weird settings. I will meet with him tomorrow and he'll screenshare. Maybe other weird stuff is happening. | 18:27 |
| sitarabuta | Also, ChanServ here gives permissions based on the username not the nickname. It could be that jelkner has a different username. | 18:27 |
| sitarabuta | To quote OFTC's docs: "Levels are assigned based on accounts not on nicks, any linked nick assigned to an access list will allow any other similarly linked nick the same access." | 18:27 |
| mjsir911 | perhaps sitarabuta | 18:40 |
| sitarabuta | !remind | 23:39 |
| Discuss https://possiblefutures.tech/ and synergies with MSP and CJS (jelkner) | 23:39 | |
| Moving to Europe on July 16th (sitarabuta) | 23:39 | |
| Becoming a Member? (abuchholz) | 23:39 | |
| Welcome to OFTC and say hello to LittleWebster (sitarabuta) | 23:39 | |
| *** sitarabuta has left #novawebdev (Leaving) | 23:39 | |
| sitarabuta | Damn I locked myself out by setting the channel to invite only earlier, by accident. | 23:41 |
| sitarabuta | !forcerun | 23:43 |
| sitarabuta | !forcerun | 23:47 |
| @sitarabuta : @mjsir911 : LittleBrother | 23:47 | |
| Tick Tock! | 23:47 | |
| It's {utc_time} UTC o'clock and NOVA Web Development's meeting is starting. | 23:47 | |
| This is the agenda for today: | 23:47 | |
| sitarabuta | !forcerun | 23:49 |
| sitarabuta | !forcerun | 23:51 |
| sitarabuta | !forcerun | 23:52 |
| sitarabuta | !forcerun | 23:52 |
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