IRC log of #novawebdev for Thursday, 2021-08-19

LittleWebsterThis is the agenda for the next meeting:14:49
LittleWebsterDiscussion of PD (professional development) - Decidim Fest and Platform Cooperatives Now! (added by jelkner)14:49
LittleWebsterFormalizing our internship process (added by jelkner)14:49
LittleWebsterDo we send our clients invoices for hosting after a year? (added by abuchholz)14:49
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LittleWebsterThis is the agenda for the next meeting:19:44
LittleWebsterDiscussion of PD (professional development) - Decidim Fest and Platform Cooperatives Now! (added by jelkner)19:44
LittleWebsterFormalizing our internship process (added by jelkner)19:44
LittleWebsterDo we send our clients invoices for hosting after a year? (added by abuchholz)19:44
LittleWebsterThis is the agenda for the next meeting:19:55
LittleWebsterDiscussion of PD (professional development) - Decidim Fest and Platform Cooperatives Now! (added by jelkner)19:55
LittleWebsterFormalizing our internship process (added by jelkner)19:55
LittleWebsterDo we send our clients invoices for hosting after a year? (added by abuchholz)19:55
LittleWebsternrcerna : abuchholz : sitarabuta : jelkner : lelkneralfaro20:00
LittleWebsterTick Tock!20:00
LittleWebsterIt's 20:00 UTC o'clock and NOVA Web Development's meeting is starting.20:00
LittleWebsterThis is the agenda for today:20:00
LittleWebsterDiscussion of PD (professional development) - Decidim Fest and Platform Cooperatives Now! (added by jelkner)20:00
LittleWebsterFormalizing our internship process (added by jelkner)20:00
LittleWebsterDo we send our clients invoices for hosting after a year? (added by abuchholz)20:00
LittleWebsterHave a nice day, Websters!20:00
nrcernaHello everyone!20:00
jelknerG'day, all!20:00
sitarabutaGood night everyone!20:00
abuchholzGood night sitarabuta 20:00
abuchholzsleep well ;)20:00
nrcernaalright, lets start20:00
nrcernafirst item: Discussion of PD (professional development) - Decidim Fest and Platform Cooperatives Now20:01
nrcernayours jelkner 20:01
jelkneryup, and pretty self explainatery20:01
jelknerprinciple 5 is education and training20:02
jelknerand we need to do that20:02
jelknernrcerna can give her own opinion, but i found the Platform Cooperatives Now! course to be very worthwhile20:02
nrcernaIt was really good ;-)20:03
jelknerso, i think we should send another nova webster or two to this third iteration20:03
jelkneri'll pay for it20:03
jelknerany takers?20:03
LittleWebsterThis is the agenda for the next meeting:20:03
LittleWebsterDiscussion of PD (professional development) - Decidim Fest and Platform Cooperatives Now! (added by jelkner)20:03
LittleWebsterFormalizing our internship process (added by jelkner)20:03
LittleWebsterDo we send our clients invoices for hosting after a year? (added by abuchholz)20:03
jelknerdon't all step forward at once :-(20:03
jelknerlet me say again, this is important20:04
nrcernaMaybe a cat ate their fingers jelkner 20:05
sitarabutahold on20:05
jelkneri don't know how we will build a successful business if we don't train ourselves and network20:05
sitarabutai need a little bit of context20:05
jelknercool, sitarabuta 20:05
sitarabutawhat is the Platform Cooperatives Now! course?20:05
jelknerit is an online course run by the New School in NYC and Mondragon University in Spain20:06
jelknerit is exactly about what we hope to do20:07
jelknerbuild free software platforms as a cooperative20:07
colombeneI took it before, I'm not sure it totally applies to us, are you thinking of some learning in particular?20:07
jelknercolombene: that's an interesting response20:07
jelknerlet's talk after20:07
jelkneri'd love to know why you don't think it applies to us20:08
jelkneri felt it totally did20:08
jelknerACTION done20:08
nrcernanext item:  Formalizing our internship process 20:08
jelknerthis is just a quick update20:08
jelknercolombene: i started filling in the document you provided20:08
colombeneok great20:08
jelknerand realized just how important it is to better track our data20:09
jelkneri should have been doing this all along20:09
jelknerbut sadly (and naturally), i haven't been20:09
jelknerso i am going to use this opportunity to reconstruct as much as i can20:09
jelknerstarting with our current interns and working backwards20:09
jelknerACTION done20:09
nrcernaThanks jelkner 20:10
nrcernanext item:  Do we send our clients invoices for hosting after a year?20:10
nrcernaI already started a thread on zulip regarding this under "Operations: Money > Hosting" abuchholz 20:10
abuchholzyeah so jelkner, sitarabuta, and I had a conversation about this20:10
abuchholzand I saw your message on Zulip nrcerna 20:10
nrcernaNot sure if you saw it20:10
jelknerACTION told abuchholz how grateful he was that he was brining this up!20:11
jelknerso it is not only me whining about it20:11
ubuntouristcron job: automated billing... ;-)20:11
jelknerthis should be built into BT20:11
abuchholzyep +120:11
abuchholzsitarabuta, you have any concerns, thoughts, ideas?20:11
ubuntouristACTION braces for channel flood... ;-)20:12
sitarabutathe architecture was not made for this at all - invoice items are just strings (can't tell the difference between recurring and not) - we need a new model that stores this stuff specifically20:12
sitarabutaubuntourist, almost ;-)20:13
ubuntourist+1 to building metadata into the model20:13
sitarabutawe are starting to hit those limits that agaric was hitting with BT20:13
jelknerwe knew they were coming20:13
jelknerthis is the test20:13
ubuntouristSanjay has mentioned this in conversations w/ me.20:13
jelknercan we really build useful software?20:13
sitarabutawell we can it's just that we kinda got ourselves in a dead end20:14
sitarabutabut stuff can be fixed i assume20:14
sitarabutawith enough work ;-)20:14
jelknersitarabuta: don't get me started on agile best practices, and how this kind of thing happens all the time etc,etc.20:14
lelkneralfarowhy don't we generate an invoice and send it?20:15
sitarabutawell, we forget20:15
jelknerof course it *can* be fixed, as replaceafill always says "It's software"20:15
sitarabutathat's the issue :D20:15
sitarabutaIt's all just bits20:15
lelkneralfarolet's generate the invoices today20:15
lelkneralfaroand send them20:15
sitarabutajelkner, to a certain degree, agile got us here ;-)20:15
ubuntourist[fr]agile. 20:16
colombenemaybe ux can help :)20:16
sitarabutaACTION done20:17
nrcernateam work20:17
nrcernathat's great20:17
abuchholzso... what's the final decision 20:17
abuchholzI'm confused20:17
sitarabutawell the decision is that there is a lot of work involved20:17
nrcernaWell, we need to send the ones that are pending now20:17
jelknerabuchholz: i suspect that in the short run, "the simplest thing that works" is a spreadsheet20:17
colombenelouis seemed to suggest a manual send for now20:17
sitarabutaand we will probably do it20:17
nrcernaI guess20:18
jelknerwhich is what lelkneralfaro was driving at20:18
sitarabutabut not soon enough20:18
jelknerbut in the long run, we should build this into BT20:18
abuchholzalright cool, thanks for the clarification20:18
sitarabutaspreadsheets are *very* simple in this scenario20:18
lelkneralfarodefinitely, I will generate invoices for CJS, Fipol and CIDU today20:18
nrcernawhat "long run" means?20:18
jelknerthat is *if* we think BT should continue to develop into a useful product20:18
jelknerthat scales with us as we grow20:18
sitarabutanote the date when you billed that person and then keep checking every other day to see when the time comes for another bill20:18
jelknerit should track our businees20:18
nrcernathanks lelkneralfaro 20:19
jelknernrcerna: not sure20:19
jelknerdepends on the developers20:19
colombenenrcerna and lelkneralfaro and I also discussed project mgmt a bit, maybe we can discuss how these can tie together20:19
jelknermy feeling is we need a monthly report20:19
jelknerthat appears at some regular day each month20:20
jelknerwith a list of recurring invoices to be sent out that month20:20
jelknerACTION done20:20
jelknerlelkneralfaro: we need to invoice AEA too20:21
nrcernathanks everyone, discussing and caring about this is really good20:21
lelkneralfarofor hosting?20:21
jelkneras soon as we get the green light they want to renew20:21
lelkneralfarojelkner, 20:21
jelkneri'm working on that20:21
nrcernaI have a question20:22
nrcernaRegarding MHAction20:22
nrcernaare we going to create a contract? abuchholz , lelkneralfaro 20:22
abuchholzWe sent them the info the needed20:22
abuchholzfrom my understanding they said no need for a proposal and that they were chill20:23
lelkneralfarothey say they will write the contract20:23
lelkneralfaroin the latest email20:23
nrcernaI just want to avoid things as we faced with Bowen and NEURODIVERGENT-U20:23
lelkneralfarowe will sign it if we agree to it20:23
nrcernaOk, cool20:23
nrcernaanything else?20:24
jelknernot for here, but for BBB yes20:24
ubuntourist Anything happening at Gallaudet?20:24
jelknersitarabuta: just got an email from susan20:24
jelknerhe can update us in BBB20:24
ubuntouristOK... Closing hexchat...20:24
nrcernaACTION Drops the bag of gravel20:24
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jelknergreat, nrcerna, thanks!20:25
colombenethank you n!20:25
jelknerc y'all in BBB20:25
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