| nrcerna | !agenda | 14:49 |
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| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 14:49 |
| LittleWebster | Discussion of PD (professional development) - Decidim Fest and Platform Cooperatives Now! (added by jelkner) | 14:49 |
| LittleWebster | Formalizing our internship process (added by jelkner) | 14:49 |
| LittleWebster | Do we send our clients invoices for hosting after a year? (added by abuchholz) | 14:49 |
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| nrcerna | !agenda | 19:44 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 19:44 |
| LittleWebster | Discussion of PD (professional development) - Decidim Fest and Platform Cooperatives Now! (added by jelkner) | 19:44 |
| LittleWebster | Formalizing our internship process (added by jelkner) | 19:44 |
| LittleWebster | Do we send our clients invoices for hosting after a year? (added by abuchholz) | 19:44 |
| abuchholz | !agenda | 19:55 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 19:55 |
| LittleWebster | Discussion of PD (professional development) - Decidim Fest and Platform Cooperatives Now! (added by jelkner) | 19:55 |
| LittleWebster | Formalizing our internship process (added by jelkner) | 19:55 |
| LittleWebster | Do we send our clients invoices for hosting after a year? (added by abuchholz) | 19:55 |
| LittleWebster | nrcerna : abuchholz : sitarabuta : jelkner : lelkneralfaro | 20:00 |
| LittleWebster | Tick Tock! | 20:00 |
| LittleWebster | It's 20:00 UTC o'clock and NOVA Web Development's meeting is starting. | 20:00 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for today: | 20:00 |
| LittleWebster | Discussion of PD (professional development) - Decidim Fest and Platform Cooperatives Now! (added by jelkner) | 20:00 |
| LittleWebster | Formalizing our internship process (added by jelkner) | 20:00 |
| LittleWebster | Do we send our clients invoices for hosting after a year? (added by abuchholz) | 20:00 |
| LittleWebster | Have a nice day, Websters! | 20:00 |
| nrcerna | Hello everyone! | 20:00 |
| lelkneralfaro | hello | 20:00 |
| jelkner | G'day, all! | 20:00 |
| sitarabuta | Good night everyone! | 20:00 |
| abuchholz | Good night sitarabuta | 20:00 |
| abuchholz | sleep well ;) | 20:00 |
| sitarabuta | :-) | 20:00 |
| nrcerna | alright, lets start | 20:00 |
| nrcerna | first item: Discussion of PD (professional development) - Decidim Fest and Platform Cooperatives Now | 20:01 |
| nrcerna | yours jelkner | 20:01 |
| jelkner | yup, and pretty self explainatery | 20:01 |
| jelkner | principle 5 is education and training | 20:02 |
| jelkner | and we need to do that | 20:02 |
| nrcerna | yup | 20:02 |
| jelkner | nrcerna can give her own opinion, but i found the Platform Cooperatives Now! course to be very worthwhile | 20:02 |
| nrcerna | It was really good ;-) | 20:03 |
| jelkner | so, i think we should send another nova webster or two to this third iteration | 20:03 |
| jelkner | i'll pay for it | 20:03 |
| jelkner | any takers? | 20:03 |
| colombene | !agenda | 20:03 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 20:03 |
| LittleWebster | Discussion of PD (professional development) - Decidim Fest and Platform Cooperatives Now! (added by jelkner) | 20:03 |
| LittleWebster | Formalizing our internship process (added by jelkner) | 20:03 |
| LittleWebster | Do we send our clients invoices for hosting after a year? (added by abuchholz) | 20:03 |
| jelkner | don't all step forward at once :-( | 20:03 |
| nrcerna | :eyes: | 20:04 |
| jelkner | let me say again, this is important | 20:04 |
| nrcerna | Maybe a cat ate their fingers jelkner | 20:05 |
| sitarabuta | hold on | 20:05 |
| jelkner | i don't know how we will build a successful business if we don't train ourselves and network | 20:05 |
| sitarabuta | i need a little bit of context | 20:05 |
| jelkner | cool, sitarabuta | 20:05 |
| sitarabuta | what is the Platform Cooperatives Now! course? | 20:05 |
| nrcerna | https://platform.coop/ | 20:06 |
| jelkner | https://platform.coop/blog/platform-co-ops-now-3rd-edition/ | 20:06 |
| jelkner | it is an online course run by the New School in NYC and Mondragon University in Spain | 20:06 |
| jelkner | it is exactly about what we hope to do | 20:07 |
| jelkner | build free software platforms as a cooperative | 20:07 |
| colombene | I took it before, I'm not sure it totally applies to us, are you thinking of some learning in particular? | 20:07 |
| jelkner | colombene: that's an interesting response | 20:07 |
| jelkner | let's talk after | 20:07 |
| jelkner | i'd love to know why you don't think it applies to us | 20:08 |
| colombene | ok | 20:08 |
| jelkner | i felt it totally did | 20:08 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 20:08 |
| nrcerna | next item: Formalizing our internship process | 20:08 |
| jelkner | this is just a quick update | 20:08 |
| jelkner | colombene: i started filling in the document you provided | 20:08 |
| colombene | ok great | 20:08 |
| jelkner | and realized just how important it is to better track our data | 20:09 |
| jelkner | i should have been doing this all along | 20:09 |
| jelkner | but sadly (and naturally), i haven't been | 20:09 |
| jelkner | so i am going to use this opportunity to reconstruct as much as i can | 20:09 |
| jelkner | starting with our current interns and working backwards | 20:09 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 20:09 |
| nrcerna | Thanks jelkner | 20:10 |
| nrcerna | next item: Do we send our clients invoices for hosting after a year? | 20:10 |
| nrcerna | I already started a thread on zulip regarding this under "Operations: Money > Hosting" abuchholz | 20:10 |
| abuchholz | yeah so jelkner, sitarabuta, and I had a conversation about this | 20:10 |
| abuchholz | and I saw your message on Zulip nrcerna | 20:10 |
| nrcerna | Not sure if you saw it | 20:10 |
| nrcerna | cool | 20:11 |
| jelkner | ACTION told abuchholz how grateful he was that he was brining this up! | 20:11 |
| jelkner | so it is not only me whining about it | 20:11 |
| ubuntourist | cron job: automated billing... ;-) | 20:11 |
| jelkner | this should be built into BT | 20:11 |
| abuchholz | yep +1 | 20:11 |
| nrcerna | +1 | 20:11 |
| abuchholz | sitarabuta, you have any concerns, thoughts, ideas? | 20:11 |
| sitarabuta | yes | 20:11 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION braces for channel flood... ;-) | 20:12 |
| sitarabuta | the architecture was not made for this at all - invoice items are just strings (can't tell the difference between recurring and not) - we need a new model that stores this stuff specifically | 20:12 |
| sitarabuta | ubuntourist, almost ;-) | 20:13 |
| ubuntourist | +1 to building metadata into the model | 20:13 |
| sitarabuta | we are starting to hit those limits that agaric was hitting with BT | 20:13 |
| jelkner | exactly | 20:13 |
| jelkner | we knew they were coming | 20:13 |
| jelkner | this is the test | 20:13 |
| ubuntourist | Sanjay has mentioned this in conversations w/ me. | 20:13 |
| jelkner | can we really build useful software? | 20:13 |
| sitarabuta | well we can it's just that we kinda got ourselves in a dead end | 20:14 |
| sitarabuta | but stuff can be fixed i assume | 20:14 |
| sitarabuta | with enough work ;-) | 20:14 |
| jelkner | sitarabuta: don't get me started on agile best practices, and how this kind of thing happens all the time etc,etc. | 20:14 |
| lelkneralfaro | why don't we generate an invoice and send it? | 20:15 |
| sitarabuta | well, we forget | 20:15 |
| jelkner | of course it *can* be fixed, as replaceafill always says "It's software" | 20:15 |
| sitarabuta | that's the issue :D | 20:15 |
| sitarabuta | It's all just bits | 20:15 |
| lelkneralfaro | let's generate the invoices today | 20:15 |
| lelkneralfaro | and send them | 20:15 |
| sitarabuta | jelkner, to a certain degree, agile got us here ;-) | 20:15 |
| ubuntourist | [fr]agile. | 20:16 |
| sitarabuta | ^ | 20:16 |
| colombene | maybe ux can help :) | 20:16 |
| sitarabuta | indeed | 20:16 |
| sitarabuta | ACTION done | 20:17 |
| nrcerna | team work | 20:17 |
| nrcerna | that's great | 20:17 |
| abuchholz | so... what's the final decision | 20:17 |
| abuchholz | I'm confused | 20:17 |
| sitarabuta | well the decision is that there is a lot of work involved | 20:17 |
| nrcerna | Well, we need to send the ones that are pending now | 20:17 |
| jelkner | abuchholz: i suspect that in the short run, "the simplest thing that works" is a spreadsheet | 20:17 |
| colombene | louis seemed to suggest a manual send for now | 20:17 |
| sitarabuta | and we will probably do it | 20:17 |
| nrcerna | I guess | 20:18 |
| jelkner | which is what lelkneralfaro was driving at | 20:18 |
| sitarabuta | but not soon enough | 20:18 |
| jelkner | but in the long run, we should build this into BT | 20:18 |
| abuchholz | alright cool, thanks for the clarification | 20:18 |
| sitarabuta | spreadsheets are *very* simple in this scenario | 20:18 |
| lelkneralfaro | definitely, I will generate invoices for CJS, Fipol and CIDU today | 20:18 |
| nrcerna | what "long run" means? | 20:18 |
| jelkner | that is *if* we think BT should continue to develop into a useful product | 20:18 |
| jelkner | that scales with us as we grow | 20:18 |
| sitarabuta | note the date when you billed that person and then keep checking every other day to see when the time comes for another bill | 20:18 |
| jelkner | it should track our businees | 20:18 |
| nrcerna | thanks lelkneralfaro | 20:19 |
| jelkner | nrcerna: not sure | 20:19 |
| jelkner | depends on the developers | 20:19 |
| colombene | nrcerna and lelkneralfaro and I also discussed project mgmt a bit, maybe we can discuss how these can tie together | 20:19 |
| jelkner | my feeling is we need a monthly report | 20:19 |
| jelkner | that appears at some regular day each month | 20:20 |
| jelkner | with a list of recurring invoices to be sent out that month | 20:20 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 20:20 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro: we need to invoice AEA too | 20:21 |
| nrcerna | thanks everyone, discussing and caring about this is really good | 20:21 |
| lelkneralfaro | for hosting? | 20:21 |
| jelkner | as soon as we get the green light they want to renew | 20:21 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, | 20:21 |
| jelkner | i'm working on that | 20:21 |
| nrcerna | cool | 20:21 |
| nrcerna | I have a question | 20:22 |
| nrcerna | Regarding MHAction | 20:22 |
| nrcerna | are we going to create a contract? abuchholz , lelkneralfaro | 20:22 |
| abuchholz | We sent them the info the needed | 20:22 |
| abuchholz | from my understanding they said no need for a proposal and that they were chill | 20:23 |
| lelkneralfaro | they say they will write the contract | 20:23 |
| lelkneralfaro | in the latest email | 20:23 |
| nrcerna | I just want to avoid things as we faced with Bowen and NEURODIVERGENT-U | 20:23 |
| abuchholz | yeah | 20:23 |
| lelkneralfaro | we will sign it if we agree to it | 20:23 |
| abuchholz | +1 | 20:23 |
| nrcerna | Ok, cool | 20:23 |
| nrcerna | anything else? | 20:24 |
| jelkner | not for here, but for BBB yes | 20:24 |
| ubuntourist | Anything happening at Gallaudet? | 20:24 |
| jelkner | sitarabuta: just got an email from susan | 20:24 |
| jelkner | he can update us in BBB | 20:24 |
| sitarabuta | yep | 20:24 |
| ubuntourist | OK... Closing hexchat... | 20:24 |
| nrcerna | ACTION Drops the bag of gravel | 20:24 |
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| nrcerna | Bye | 20:25 |
| jelkner | great, nrcerna, thanks! | 20:25 |
| colombene | thank you n! | 20:25 |
| jelkner | c y'all in BBB | 20:25 |
| nrcerna | :) | 20:25 |
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