| jelkner | Good morning mulbah, scooper, svaye, and tboimah! | 11:44 |
|---|---|---|
| jelkner | You've been here almost 15 minutes, and I'm only noticing now. | 11:44 |
| jelkner | I was busy getting ready. | 11:44 |
| tboimah | I'm fine and you sir? | 11:44 |
| mulbah | Good moring jeff | 11:45 |
| jelkner | If anyone is bored looking for something to do, check out https://codeberg.org/jelkner/mcssnovawebsters/src/branch/main/robots.py | 11:45 |
| jelkner | if that doesn't load, i have it in pastebin also at https://pastebin.com/4eNvUNAD | 11:45 |
| jelkner | Good morning dcammue | 11:46 |
| dcammue | Good morning Jeff, how was You trip? | 11:47 |
| jelkner | It was great, dcammue, thanks for asking | 11:47 |
| dcammue | y | 11:47 |
| jelkner | https://weblog.elkner.net/blog/64/ | 11:47 |
| jelkner | Today I'm here in Washington DC at HacDC with the famous Ubuntourist | 11:48 |
| dcammue | Yeah I was thinking about you the whole while. | 11:48 |
| jelkner | Good morning fkoikoi! | 11:48 |
| fkoikoi | Good Morning Jeff | 11:49 |
| ubuntourist | Ahoy, all. | 11:50 |
| ubuntourist | I'm "dark and surly" as usual. (jelkner on the other hand is his usual "bright and early" self.) | 11:51 |
| jelkner | Did y'all get to look at this: https://github.com/code4nova/SIS-MCSS yesterday? | 11:52 |
| jelkner | We'll talk when the meeting starts, but that will be *very* important! | 11:52 |
| jelkner | We are only missing Janet | 11:54 |
| jelkner | We can start early if she gets here | 11:55 |
| fkoikoi | alright | 11:55 |
| LittleWebster | jelkner : mulbah : ubuntourist : scooper : dcammue : tboimah : fkoikoi : svaye | 12:00 |
| LittleWebster | Tick Tock! | 12:00 |
| LittleWebster | It's 12:00 UTC o'clock and NOVA Web Development's meeting is starting. | 12:00 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for today: | 12:00 |
| LittleWebster | Discuss asking Jallah to join our group (added by jelkner) | 12:00 |
| LittleWebster | MCSS Websters present progress reports (added by jelkner) | 12:00 |
| LittleWebster | Continue with Robots development (added by jelkner) | 12:00 |
| LittleWebster | Talk about Questions in: https://github.com/code4nova/SIS-MCSS/blob/main/docs/ProjectPlanning.md (added by jelkner) | 12:00 |
| LittleWebster | Have a nice day, Websters! | 12:00 |
| jelkner | Good afternoon, Monrovians! | 12:00 |
| jelkner | Let's start our meeting. | 12:00 |
| jelkner | First agenda item: can we invite Jallah to join the group? | 12:01 |
| jelkner | Jallah has been the only person regularly messaging me on Zulip | 12:01 |
| mulbah | +1 | 12:01 |
| svaye | +1 | 12:01 |
| svaye | Good morning | 12:02 |
| scooper | Good morning Jeff | 12:02 |
| dcammue | +1 | 12:02 |
| scooper | Sorry I'm a bit late, when to take my first phase | 12:02 |
| scooper | *went | 12:02 |
| tboimah | +1 | 12:03 |
| jelkner | +1 | 12:03 |
| jelkner | So we agree, and let's do it, but let me talk a bit about my concerns | 12:03 |
| jelkner | I told Jallah that I can't afford to send any more of a stipend each month than I already am. | 12:04 |
| jelkner | He said he doesn't care, he just wants to learn, but I care. | 12:04 |
| jelkner | To make this work, and for you all to become IT professionals, will require *lots of time*! | 12:04 |
| jelkner | When I talked about this project with the Sup, I told him I needed to be able to pay you the same amount of money you would make hawking Orange and Lone Star minutes after school | 12:05 |
| jelkner | so that you could work for NOVA Web Development instead of Orange and Lone Star | 12:06 |
| jelkner | I need your help understanding the economic realities you face, so we can plan together accordingly | 12:06 |
| jelkner | anyway, we want to seek outside funding, but for now, we have what we have. | 12:06 |
| jelkner | ACTION done with that | 12:06 |
| jelkner | scooper: I'll tell Jallah to come talk with you | 12:07 |
| jelkner | and I'll set up a NOVA Web email for him and add him to our mcsswebsters alias | 12:07 |
| jelkner | Next item: webster reports | 12:07 |
| jelkner | you all should tell us what you've been working on during the past week | 12:08 |
| jelkner | and I want you to start including more details | 12:08 |
| jelkner | don't just say "Vimtutor" | 12:08 |
| jelkner | What new key combinations did you learn in vim? | 12:08 |
| jelkner | How are you practicing to get better at using it? etc. | 12:08 |
| jelkner | Same with Unix and Python, give *details*. | 12:08 |
| jelkner | take it away websters... | 12:09 |
| jelkner | ACTION waits for the crew to start typing what they did last week | 12:10 |
| jelkner | scooper: what's happening? | 12:15 |
| ubuntourist | You can all type summaries at the same time. Many short messages are better than few long messages. | 12:15 |
| jelkner | +1 | 12:16 |
| ubuntourist | If you only type... | 12:16 |
| ubuntourist | ...a few words on a line... | 12:16 |
| ubuntourist | ...we will see... | 12:16 |
| ubuntourist | ...much faster! | 12:16 |
| scooper | Jeff as it relate to what | 12:17 |
| jelkner | why is no one typing | 12:17 |
| jelkner | ? | 12:17 |
| mulbah | jeff i bening working on my program this week and list week but challenge 7 is giveing me hade time but i promise u next week i will show u new key combinations on vim and i will do my best on the unix comman | 12:18 |
| fkoikoi | last week was great, I worked on the robot program from challenge 1 to 6 and I also learned about the "wc" command that count the file lines, the number line and the character. I also learned about the find command, and the grep command | 12:18 |
| scooper | I'm following te conversion bewteen you and the students | 12:18 |
| jelkner | excellent, mulbah and fkoikoi | 12:19 |
| jelkner | what about dcammue, svaye, tboimah, and janet | 12:19 |
| fkoikoi | As for this week I worked on the robot challenge 7 (moving the robot). I try to move both the player and the robot but it is moving in one direction. | 12:20 |
| svaye | ACTION worked on the robots are coming program from challenge 1 to 6, but challenge 7 I didn't complete. I also learn some new commands like the "wc" command that count, and also the grep the dev/null and -name "host". | 12:21 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi: until we get you using git, you could setup an account in pastebin.com, copy the code there, and send me the link | 12:21 |
| jelkner | then i could help you with any challenges you are facing | 12:21 |
| jelkner | thanks svaye | 12:22 |
| jelkner | dcammue, tboimah, and janet, were waiting for you... | 12:22 |
| tboimah | okay, I have been learning some keys in vimtutor, i learn the H,J,K, and L key that make you to go left, down, up, and right respectively and i all also learn :q which means to quit and :qw which means to quit and save and i also learn X which means to delete a character under the cursor i also i to insect text and A to Append text, on the unix command i learn find, grep, kill, alise,command and etc, on python i work on my robots game and i am done | 12:22 |
| tboimah | with challenge 1,2,3,4,5,but challenge 6 and 7 given me a hard time. thanks. | 12:22 |
| jelkner | thanks, tboimah | 12:23 |
| jelkner | two to go... | 12:23 |
| janet | Hi jeff, alright i learn about the h,j,k, and l key in vim,also the <esc>,x, i and others,am still making effort to learn the others, Am still trying to make the robot move in challenge 7. | 12:23 |
| jelkner | tboimah and janet, if you look at the version of robots i'm working on with you all, it uses h,j,k, and l to move left, down, up, and right | 12:24 |
| dcammue | For me I have been woking on the robots program, and I having hard time to really understand the "vimtutor", especially to set the key to start or run the program by making the robot to follow the player with one step only. secondly last week was our 1st period test week so I didn't paid more attention the the lesson.And also for the meeting last week, I learned about the "wc", dev/null and -name "host". | 12:24 |
| jelkner | so we can have a game that will help you learn to use those keys | 12:24 |
| dcammue | okay | 12:25 |
| jelkner | dcammue: we need to work on being more specific | 12:26 |
| jelkner | when you say you are having a hard time with the vim tutor, what do you mean? | 12:26 |
| jelkner | when you type vimtutor at the prompt in your terminal | 12:26 |
| jelkner | you see a screen of text | 12:27 |
| jelkner | you should read the whole thing | 12:27 |
| jelkner | and ask if there are words used that you don't understand | 12:27 |
| dcammue | To set the key for running the program. | 12:27 |
| jelkner | then at the bottom of the first screen it tells you to press the "j" key over and over until Lesson 1.1 appears at the top of the screen | 12:28 |
| jelkner | "j" is the down key | 12:28 |
| jelkner | dcammue, what do you mean "set the key" | 12:28 |
| jelkner | i don't understand | 12:28 |
| dcammue | I'm talking about the vimtutor Jeff. | 12:29 |
| jelkner | yes, i understand | 12:29 |
| jelkner | ok, let's move on | 12:30 |
| jelkner | one last thing i want to say about this. | 12:30 |
| jelkner | let's work on taking "baby steps" | 12:30 |
| jelkner | learning to do that in technology is really important | 12:31 |
| jelkner | you solve large problems by breaking them down into smaller and smaller pieces | 12:31 |
| jelkner | until you get a piece small enough you can solve it | 12:31 |
| jelkner | none of you emailed me during the week | 12:31 |
| jelkner | if you need my help on something, i would like you to do that | 12:31 |
| jelkner | send me an email that with a specific question | 12:32 |
| jelkner | and i will write back with a specific answer | 12:32 |
| jelkner | little by little, we will learn and grow our skills | 12:32 |
| jelkner | but we need to keep pushing ahead | 12:32 |
| jelkner | step-by-step | 12:32 |
| mulbah | i email u yestday jeef but u did't respone | 12:32 |
| jelkner | did you, mulbah? | 12:32 |
| jelkner | to which email? | 12:33 |
| mulbah | +1 | 12:33 |
| jelkner | I don't see it | 12:33 |
| jelkner | did you use jeff.elkner@novawebdevelopment.org ? | 12:33 |
| mulbah | i use my email | 12:33 |
| jelkner | mulbah.kolleh@novawebdevelopment.org ? | 12:34 |
| mulbah | i use my personal email | 12:35 |
| jelkner | you are young interns working for NOVA Web Development | 12:35 |
| jelkner | you should use your professional email for correspondence with me relating to your internship | 12:36 |
| jelkner | we are making good progress using irc | 12:36 |
| jelkner | we should work on learning to use email too | 12:36 |
| jelkner | mulbah: could you please send the email again from your nova web email to mine? | 12:36 |
| jelkner | why not do that now, so we can confirm i received it before our meeting ends | 12:37 |
| fkoikoi | Jeff, I don't have a nova web development account | 12:37 |
| ubuntourist | mulbah, what address did you send to? Not what address did you send from. | 12:37 |
| jelkner | freena.koikoi@novawebdevelopment.org | 12:37 |
| jelkner | yes you do | 12:37 |
| jelkner | scooper: we need your help teaching the interns to use their nova web email | 12:38 |
| jelkner | ok, let's set that as a goal for next week | 12:38 |
| jelkner | mcss websters will work with scooper to learn to use nova web email | 12:38 |
| scooper | OK SIr | 12:39 |
| jelkner | i'd like to move on to the next agenda item, which is very important | 12:39 |
| jelkner | scooper: this is mainly for you | 12:39 |
| jelkner | are you getting this? | 12:39 |
| scooper | I'm here Jeff | 12:39 |
| jelkner | I am working with a group of volunteers to begin developing a student information system (SIS) for MCSS | 12:40 |
| scooper | We did talk about it this gone wednesday right | 12:40 |
| jelkner | we want to design it of MCSS's particular needs | 12:40 |
| jelkner | great | 12:40 |
| jelkner | so the developers have questions they need answered | 12:40 |
| scooper | I told you when the classess begin every thursday I will like to part | 12:40 |
| jelkner | they need you all to be what we call our "on site customer" | 12:41 |
| jelkner | you need to tell us what you need | 12:41 |
| jelkner | we don't know without you | 12:41 |
| scooper | OK right now | 12:41 |
| jelkner | so, Roy asked several questions about how MCSS teacher take attendance | 12:41 |
| jelkner | I need answers by next Thursday | 12:41 |
| jelkner | when we have our next meeting | 12:41 |
| jelkner | you can see Roy's questions here: https://github.com/code4nova/SIS-MCSS | 12:42 |
| scooper | Will give you details today, beause I'm a bit busy with UoPeople assignments | 12:42 |
| jelkner | I'll type some the questions here: | 12:42 |
| jelkner | Opps, https://github.com/code4nova/SIS-MCSS/blob/main/docs/ProjectPlanning.md | 12:43 |
| jelkner | That's the specific document | 12:43 |
| jelkner | Browser stats of teachers? What browser will teachers be using? | 12:43 |
| jelkner | Many of these questions are for the Sup | 12:44 |
| jelkner | we need to know if they will be using thier own phones | 12:44 |
| jelkner | or phones given them by MCSS | 12:44 |
| jelkner | we need to set up a pilot | 12:44 |
| jelkner | i think Tubman High is the place to do that | 12:44 |
| jelkner | since it is next door to the MCSS Office | 12:44 |
| jelkner | We need a group of volunteer Tubman High teachers to be the testers for our program | 12:45 |
| jelkner | to start using it as soon as we can give them something to test | 12:45 |
| jelkner | we need to know what browser on their phone they will have | 12:45 |
| jelkner | next question... | 12:45 |
| jelkner | Do teachers: | 12:45 |
| jelkner | Share classrooms? | 12:46 |
| jelkner | Specialize(do kids change classrooms for different classes?) or generalize(teach same students all day)? | 12:46 |
| jelkner | Teach multiple groups if children ? (A day, B day) | 12:46 |
| jelkner | Teach multiple groups if children ? (A day, B day) | 12:46 |
| jelkner | oops | 12:46 |
| jelkner | Is attendance for just classes or should it include exams? | 12:47 |
| jelkner | That's enough to get started | 12:47 |
| jelkner | baby steps | 12:47 |
| jelkner | I'll email the Sup to ask him to look at our irc log | 12:47 |
| jelkner | we need a small group (say 5) teachers | 12:47 |
| jelkner | who will help us start taking attendance using our app | 12:48 |
| jelkner | we'll need to work with scooper and the Sup to make this happen | 12:48 |
| jelkner | and we will need to find out what *specifically* they need | 12:48 |
| jelkner | for example, they could say: | 12:48 |
| jelkner | "I want to load the attendance app on my phone and see a list of my classes" | 12:49 |
| jelkner | "I want to click on a class and see a list of students" | 12:49 |
| jelkner | "I want to click on a student to mark them present / absent" | 12:49 |
| jelkner | Something like that is how we need to start | 12:50 |
| jelkner | The developers will talk more on Thursday | 12:50 |
| jelkner | but we need to know how students at Tubman attend classes | 12:50 |
| jelkner | I believe you all go from class to class and the teacher stays in the same room | 12:50 |
| jelkner | I think the main idea is that "Teachers have classes" | 12:51 |
| jelkner | and "Classes have students" | 12:51 |
| jelkner | ok, that's enough for now | 12:51 |
| jelkner | we only have a little over an hour left | 12:52 |
| jelkner | so let's get back to robots | 12:52 |
| jelkner | did you all see the latest version i put in pastebin this morning? | 12:52 |
| jelkner | it uses the h,j,k,l keys for left, down, up, and right | 12:52 |
| jelkner | what else does it do now? | 12:52 |
| jelkner | i added something this morning | 12:53 |
| jelkner | who can tell me what it does? | 12:53 |
| jelkner | https://pastebin.com/4eNvUNAD | 12:53 |
| svaye | +1 | 12:54 |
| jelkner | While I wait for your answer, I'll start working on the next challenge | 12:54 |
| svaye | i downloaded it | 12:54 |
| tboimah | +1 | 12:54 |
| jelkner | Run it, study the code, and tell me what it does | 12:55 |
| janet | +1 | 12:55 |
| svaye | the player is not moving | 13:00 |
| mulbah | okay jeff | 13:00 |
| fkoikoi | Jeff, could you please send the link over | 13:00 |
| jelkner | I just did, fkoikoi | 13:01 |
| jelkner | https://pastebin.com/4eNvUNAD | 13:01 |
| fkoikoi | thanks | 13:01 |
| scooper | I just send a few lines to your gmail base on your request. More will come after my survey.... | 13:02 |
| jelkner | scooper: can you please use jeff.elkner@novawebdevelopment.org for this? | 13:03 |
| scooper | +1 sir | 13:03 |
| mulbah | you saw my message jeff | 13:09 |
| jelkner | I did, mulbah, it says hello jeff | 13:10 |
| jelkner | so now you know you can email me | 13:10 |
| jelkner | if you send me a detailed question, mulbah, i'll send you a detailed reply | 13:10 |
| jelkner | svaye: i got yours too | 13:11 |
| jelkner | we have less than an hour to go | 13:12 |
| jelkner | so let's use this time to get from me what you need | 13:12 |
| jelkner | or, if you have enough to do already, we're done | 13:12 |
| jelkner | you tell me | 13:12 |
| jelkner | i was planning on working on robots | 13:13 |
| jelkner | but maybe you're not ready for that yet? | 13:13 |
| jelkner | if so, we can do it next week | 13:13 |
| jelkner | and i can give you the week to study the version i just gave you | 13:13 |
| jelkner | and you can come to class next week ready to tell me what i added to it, and what it does | 13:13 |
| mulbah | okay jeff | 13:14 |
| jelkner | i found an error in sheet G | 13:15 |
| jelkner | which i need to fix | 13:15 |
| jelkner | the first parameter to Box is corner, not center | 13:16 |
| jelkner | i'll fix that today | 13:16 |
| jelkner | we need Box for the robots | 13:16 |
| jelkner | so i need to fix the documentation before we start adding them | 13:16 |
| svaye | okay | 13:18 |
| mulbah | i promise next week i will show you good work jeff | 13:18 |
| jelkner | ok, everyone | 13:19 |
| jelkner | i'll see you next week | 13:19 |
| jelkner | that will give you lab time today | 13:19 |
| jelkner | to work | 13:19 |
| fkoikoi | alright Jeff | 13:20 |
| jelkner | have a great week | 13:20 |
| jelkner | and happy birthday to Freena! | 13:20 |
| fkoikoi | Thanks Jeff | 13:20 |
| fkoikoi | have a great week too | 13:20 |
| jelkner | thanks | 13:20 |
| jelkner | next week we'll have Jallah with us | 13:20 |
| svaye | Have a great day too jeff | 13:21 |
| jelkner | bye everyone | 13:21 |
| tboimah | so soon jeff | 13:21 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off | 13:21 |
| sysadmin | Jeff I made a mistake by opening the email nova on the sysamin account. | 13:21 |
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