| jelkner | !agenda | 10:27 |
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| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 10:27 |
| LittleWebster | Discuss communication expectations (email and irc) and how to use these to learn together. (added by jelkner) | 10:27 |
| LittleWebster | Demonstrate Robot chasing Player in robots.py (added by jelkner) | 10:27 |
| LittleWebster | Share the questions the attendance app team has (added by jelkner) | 10:27 |
| scooper | Good morning Jeff | 11:21 |
| jelkner | Good morning scooper | 11:42 |
| jelkner | Good morning mulbah | 11:42 |
| mulbah | Good morning too jeff | 11:43 |
| jelkner | Good morning janet | 11:44 |
| mulbah | how are you doing? | 11:44 |
| jelkner | i'm doing well on this fine saturday morning. how are you? | 11:44 |
| jelkner | good morning tboimah | 11:44 |
| jelkner | tboimah, i replied to your email | 11:44 |
| tboimah | I am fine and you? | 11:44 |
| janet | HI,jeff | 11:45 |
| jelkner | we'll talk about that when class starts at 12 noon | 11:45 |
| tboimah | that email was not send by my one it was send by the group. | 11:45 |
| jelkner | even better | 11:46 |
| jelkner | but then when i replied, it only went to tboimah and scooper (with a cc to the supe) | 11:46 |
| tboimah | okay see the respond and with some questions. | 11:46 |
| jelkner | so we need to talk about that, how to use email effectively | 11:46 |
| jelkner | yes, tboimah, that's how i want us to proceed | 11:46 |
| tboimah | okay | 11:47 |
| mulbah | jeff my email is giving me problem | 11:52 |
| jelkner | you need to talk to scooper about that mulbah | 11:52 |
| mulbah | any time i put my password in, it can tell me long in failed | 11:56 |
| jelkner | ahh, that should be an easy fix, i need to change your password | 11:58 |
| LittleWebster | mulbah : jelkner : scooper : tboimah : thehedgeh0g : janet | 12:00 |
| LittleWebster | Tick Tock! | 12:00 |
| LittleWebster | It's 12:00 UTC o'clock and NOVA Web Development's meeting is starting. | 12:00 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for today: | 12:00 |
| LittleWebster | Discuss communication expectations (email and irc) and how to use these to learn together. (added by jelkner) | 12:00 |
| LittleWebster | Demonstrate Robot chasing Player in robots.py (added by jelkner) | 12:00 |
| LittleWebster | Share the questions the attendance app team has (added by jelkner) | 12:00 |
| LittleWebster | Have a nice day, Websters! | 12:00 |
| jelkner | Good afternoon all | 12:00 |
| jelkner | i see that most of us are not here | 12:00 |
| jelkner | scooper, any idea why? | 12:00 |
| scooper | WHere | 12:01 |
| scooper | you mean online Jeff | 12:01 |
| scooper | ONly Jallah is absence today | 12:01 |
| jelkner | there's svaye | 12:01 |
| jelkner | and fkoikoi | 12:01 |
| jelkner | keep in mind that our bot, LittleWebster, records who is in attendance at the start of our session | 12:02 |
| jelkner | everyone should try be be logged in then, so that they show up as present | 12:02 |
| scooper | Every body is present excluding Jallah, who said he lost his uncle this morning | 12:02 |
| jelkner | please send him my symapthies | 12:03 |
| scooper | Ok Jeff | 12:03 |
| jelkner | for the rest of you, please try to log in before class starts next saturday | 12:03 |
| jelkner | so you show up as present | 12:03 |
| jelkner | ok, let me begin | 12:03 |
| dcammue_ | Good morning Jefff, how are you and the family? | 12:04 |
| jelkner | we have three agenda items | 12:04 |
| jelkner | the first is a theme i've been trying to get in place for several weeks now | 12:04 |
| jelkner | how we use three tools: | 12:04 |
| jelkner | 1. irc | 12:04 |
| jelkner | 2. email | 12:04 |
| jelkner | 3. pastebin | 12:04 |
| jelkner | to learn | 12:04 |
| jelkner | we're not there yet | 12:04 |
| jelkner | so i want to focus on that first | 12:05 |
| jelkner | question: how many times a week does jelkner want to receive an email with a link to a pastebin with code and questions? | 12:05 |
| jelkner | ACTION waits for folks to reply | 12:06 |
| dcammue_ | +1 two to tree times. | 12:06 |
| tboimah | two times a week | 12:06 |
| jelkner | yes, dcammue_ that sounds about right | 12:06 |
| tboimah | before sutarday | 12:07 |
| jelkner | yes! | 12:07 |
| jelkner | and the earlier the better | 12:07 |
| jelkner | a monday email would be lovely | 12:07 |
| jelkner | since it gives me time to respond | 12:07 |
| jelkner | by tuesday, say | 12:07 |
| jelkner | and then you can respond to my response on wednesday | 12:07 |
| jelkner | and we can move forward! | 12:07 |
| jelkner | so, tboimah sent me an email | 12:08 |
| jelkner | i didn't see it until this morning | 12:08 |
| jelkner | but i already responded | 12:08 |
| jelkner | now after our short class today, you will look at my response, see what you can do with it, and then email me again | 12:08 |
| jelkner | i want to see code | 12:08 |
| jelkner | if you are going to learn to be programmers | 12:09 |
| jelkner | we need to talk in code | 12:09 |
| jelkner | you sent me code (and questions) | 12:09 |
| jelkner | and i send you back code (with comments and questions) | 12:09 |
| jelkner | so i did that | 12:09 |
| jelkner | i'll try to write bits of code that will address your questions | 12:09 |
| jelkner | like i did for tboimah this morning | 12:10 |
| mulbah | okay sir | 12:10 |
| jelkner | you need to study them and decide if you understand what is going on | 12:10 |
| jelkner | great | 12:10 |
| tboimah | i send you a message on pestebin did you saw it? | 12:10 |
| jelkner | when, tboimah | 12:10 |
| jelkner | no, i didn't see it | 12:10 |
| tboimah | on friday after our meeting class | 12:11 |
| jelkner | in irc | 12:11 |
| jelkner | or email? | 12:11 |
| tboimah | +1 | 12:11 |
| tboimah | ric | 12:11 |
| tboimah | irc | 12:11 |
| jelkner | let me look now | 12:11 |
| jelkner | oh yes, tboimah, i did see that | 12:12 |
| svaye_ | +i svaye | 12:13 |
| jelkner | it looks like you don't yet understand the idea of how this program works | 12:13 |
| tboimah | because that was what we discuss the other day that we will be sending you our program every tursday and friday? | 12:13 |
| jelkner | the robots don't respond to keyboard presses | 12:13 |
| jelkner | they respond to the player moving | 12:13 |
| jelkner | study what i sent you today | 12:13 |
| jelkner | and you will hopefully get the idea | 12:14 |
| tboimah | that was part of the question i email you | 12:14 |
| jelkner | yes, tboimah | 12:14 |
| jelkner | and i replied | 12:14 |
| jelkner | ;-) | 12:14 |
| jelkner | your task today will be to study what i sent you | 12:14 |
| dcammue_ | thanks | 12:14 |
| jelkner | ok, i have one more question for scooper and everyone, and then i'll let you get to work | 12:15 |
| dcammue_ | okay we will | 12:15 |
| jelkner | scooper, the team that is developing the attendance tracker will need mcss to be involved as an active customer | 12:15 |
| tboimah | okay please don't forget that will be sending you our program every trusday and friday. | 12:16 |
| jelkner | how do we do that? | 12:16 |
| scooper | Ok | 12:16 |
| jelkner | tboimah, send me links in emails | 12:16 |
| tboimah | okay | 12:16 |
| jelkner | you can send them *any time* | 12:16 |
| jelkner | scooper, the developers have questions they need answered | 12:17 |
| scooper | So what are those necessary information you need or obligation you are about to give me | 12:17 |
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| jelkner | i posted them in irc thrusday | 12:17 |
| jelkner | https://irclogs.novawebdevelopment.org/%23novawebdev/2022-10-13.log.html | 12:17 |
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| jelkner | but here they are again: | 12:18 |
| scooper | I will check it out and get back to you, Jeff is it urgent that I make a follow up at all cost today???? | 12:18 |
| jelkner | 1. What browsers will teachers be using (basically, what mobile phone OS?) | 12:18 |
| jelkner | 2. Do teachers share classrooms? | 12:19 |
| jelkner | 3. Do teachers have id numbers we can use to identify them in the database? | 12:19 |
| jelkner | 4. Do students have id numbers we can use to identify them in the database? | 12:19 |
| jelkner | 5. How many classes to teachers teach each day? | 12:20 |
| scooper | 1 ans: These are the browsers widely use in Liberia firefox, chrome, internet explorer etc | 12:20 |
| jelkner | IE is not on phones | 12:20 |
| jelkner | so teachers will be using the phone browser | 12:20 |
| scooper | 2 ans: Teachers using phone and computer Jeff | 12:20 |
| jelkner | scooper, this is important | 12:21 |
| scooper | 2 ans Andriod for is widely use in liberia | 12:21 |
| scooper | Andriod phone is widely use in liberia Jeff | 12:21 |
| jelkner | my experience there last summer leads me to conclude that this will only work for teachers if it is: | 12:21 |
| jelkner | 1. easy to use | 12:21 |
| jelkner | 2. pretty reliable | 12:21 |
| jelkner | desktop computers are not a good idea | 12:22 |
| jelkner | since the power will be out too often | 12:22 |
| scooper | 2 ans do teacher share class: Yes Teachers share class: proximately one teacher is entitle to teacher 4-5 classes | 12:22 |
| jelkner | i remember sitting in the dark when the power went out | 12:22 |
| jelkner | watching staff at mcss busy on their phones | 12:22 |
| jelkner | that's when i realized we needed a system geared toward mobile | 12:23 |
| jelkner | this is something you should discuss with the supe | 12:23 |
| scooper | Jeff Nine percent our staff uses phone but at time people feel tempted to use computer | 12:23 |
| scooper | *Ninety percent | 12:24 |
| jelkner | scooper, if the supe wants to track attendance data using an automated system, *all* teachers will need access to a mobile device | 12:24 |
| scooper | ANS: DO Students have ID Number: Yes Students have been introduce to ID number this year | 12:24 |
| jelkner | or they won't be able to take attendance | 12:25 |
| jelkner | great, ID numbers will help us a lot | 12:25 |
| jelkner | since we need some way to identify students in the system | 12:25 |
| scooper | Jeff, what are our target for now | 12:25 |
| jelkner | can you please send us a description of the ID number? | 12:26 |
| jelkner | How many digits? What is it's format? | 12:26 |
| scooper | is it only the Senior HIgh School all ranging from all division??? | 12:26 |
| jelkner | i'm not sure what you're asking? | 12:26 |
| jelkner | do you mean who is the target for taking attendance? | 12:26 |
| jelkner | please explain | 12:27 |
| scooper | Mulbah ID is 042 : School is D Twe High School 2 Janet ID # 335 School G.W. Gibson | 12:27 |
| jelkner | with a 3 digit id number, you can only have 1000 unique students | 12:28 |
| jelkner | with ID numbers ranging from 000 to 999 | 12:28 |
| scooper | I mean is this holistic or we are only target attendance for Senior High Division | 12:28 |
| jelkner | that won't work | 12:28 |
| jelkner | scooper, let me try to help you understand our situation | 12:29 |
| jelkner | 1. the supe would like to have reliable data for the entire MCSS system | 12:29 |
| scooper | Do you understand my question Jeff? | 12:29 |
| jelkner | the United Nations wants that | 12:29 |
| jelkner | so, how do you do that? | 12:29 |
| jelkner | Answer: you start with a 2 million dollar grant, you bring in a team of people to work with every school, develop the system, train the staff, etc. | 12:30 |
| jelkner | do we have any of that? | 12:30 |
| jelkner | NO! | 12:30 |
| jelkner | we have a small group of volunteers | 12:30 |
| scooper | Firstly I will take this gradually by focusing on the Senior HIgh Schools first | 12:30 |
| jelkner | with no budget | 12:30 |
| jelkner | until i can make those limits clear, we won't get very far | 12:31 |
| jelkner | the question is, should we even try this with volunteers and no budget? | 12:31 |
| jelkner | i think we can, if we have: | 12:31 |
| jelkner | 1. active participation from some MCSS staff willing to be pilot testers | 12:32 |
| jelkner | 2. a group of volunteer developers who are reliable and will put sustained long term effort into the project | 12:32 |
| jelkner | i believe we have 2 | 12:32 |
| jelkner | for one thing, we have me | 12:32 |
| jelkner | and my students | 12:33 |
| jelkner | plus we have community volunteers like roy mosby and matt gallagher | 12:33 |
| jelkner | they will only continue to volunteer if they get something out of it | 12:33 |
| jelkner | what do they get out of it? | 12:33 |
| jelkner | 1. practice learning to apply the tech they love toward an interesting project | 12:34 |
| jelkner | 2. the chance to feel they are making a difference and helping to do something good | 12:34 |
| scooper | Can I come in a little bit??? | 12:35 |
| jelkner | please! | 12:35 |
| scooper | With a few questions I would like to ask?? As it relate to This project the sup is the appropriate person who have the finally saying. I think I saw a mail from you and the sup respond by giving you the permittion to go ahead with this project | 12:37 |
| jelkner | you have easier access to him than i do, but yes | 12:38 |
| jelkner | i emailed him and asked if we should proceed. | 12:38 |
| jelkner | he wrote back yes | 12:38 |
| jelkner | otherwise, i wouldn't be doing it | 12:38 |
| scooper | But my question here, will MCSS paid those that I volunteering? is that what you mean??? | 12:38 |
| jelkner | i have no knowledge of any budget for anything | 12:39 |
| jelkner | scooper, on my side of this, we are doing it assuming no budget | 12:39 |
| scooper | If yes, we now have a serious challenges according to you: the ID Number that was issued to each students only have three digit, what can be done in this situation Jeff | 12:40 |
| jelkner | we need to change that | 12:40 |
| scooper | The entire coding that was introduce??? | 12:40 |
| jelkner | we need an id number that will allow for each student who ever attends MCSS to have a unique number | 12:40 |
| jelkner | that's the kind of thing we need to talk with the supe about | 12:41 |
| jelkner | how does it work now? | 12:41 |
| jelkner | are student records kept with only names? | 12:41 |
| jelkner | what happens if there are two Spencer Coopers? | 12:41 |
| jelkner | how do we tell them apart? | 12:41 |
| jelkner | when you applied to UoPeople, scooper | 12:42 |
| jelkner | you needed to ask for your diploma | 12:42 |
| jelkner | so MCSS keeps you on file | 12:42 |
| jelkner | and records that you, Spencer Cooper, have a diploma | 12:43 |
| scooper | SUre | 12:43 |
| jelkner | how are you identified? | 12:43 |
| jelkner | we need to know that to build our system | 12:43 |
| jelkner | if we want to automate a syste | 12:43 |
| jelkner | m | 12:43 |
| jelkner | we first need to know how the current paper system works | 12:43 |
| jelkner | that's where we need you, my friend | 12:44 |
| jelkner | it will be a great learning opportunity for you | 12:44 |
| jelkner | since you'll be seeing ICT design from the inside | 12:44 |
| scooper | Firstly I was identify by the time I entered Tubman HIgh School, secondly Which 10 grade section I was in next follow by 11 next 12 | 12:44 |
| jelkner | using a real world example with which you are closely connected | 12:44 |
| jelkner | where are the records kept? | 12:45 |
| jelkner | only at Tubman high? | 12:45 |
| scooper | I know we done have a good record system | 12:45 |
| jelkner | or at the MCSS centeral office | 12:45 |
| scooper | I m using TUbman as my case study | 12:45 |
| scooper | each school keep their own record Jeff | 12:45 |
| jelkner | so you're homework is to begin to learn more about that record system | 12:45 |
| jelkner | or to find the person who understands it | 12:46 |
| jelkner | so they can answer our questions | 12:46 |
| jelkner | we can't design an attendance system unless we can get answers to these questions | 12:46 |
| scooper | I can help because I passed through the wall of Tubman HIgh, more beside I once work there Jeff | 12:46 |
| jelkner | i'll send an email to you and the supe spelling that out | 12:47 |
| jelkner | yes, my friend, that's my hope! | 12:47 |
| jelkner | ok, i think we're done for now | 12:48 |
| jelkner | i need to email you and the supe | 12:48 |
| scooper | Jeff to get this started, we can start like this: All MCSS School Senior HIgh School start from 10th grade to 12 | 12:48 |
| scooper | ok | 12:48 |
| jelkner | the students need to look at the email i sent | 12:48 |
| jelkner | yes, scooper, thinking about it like that can be helpful | 12:49 |
| jelkner | for us, we need to design what is called a "unique identifier" into our system | 12:49 |
| jelkner | it will be a number (or string of characters) | 12:49 |
| jelkner | each student in the system will have one of these | 12:49 |
| jelkner | and it will be used in the database to identify that student | 12:50 |
| jelkner | teachers will need a uniq id too | 12:50 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 12:50 |
| jelkner | scooper: i just sent 2 emails | 13:11 |
| scooper | Ok will check it | 13:11 |
| jelkner | i'm meeting with adrian and stefan in 45 minutes, scooper, so let me grab my first face between now and then ;-) | 13:12 |
| scooper | ok we are all here awaiting your return Jeff | 13:13 |
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| jelkner | ok everyone, see you next saturday | 13:58 |
| jelkner | in the mean time, *please* make progress and email me questions during the week | 13:58 |
| mulbah | jeff u side that u was going to change my password | 13:59 |
| jelkner | yes i did, mulbah | 13:59 |
| mulbah | so what is the password | 14:00 |
| jelkner | abuchholz: so good to see you sir! | 14:01 |
| abuchholz | Hello, we meeting on BBB? | 14:01 |
| jelkner | some of the folks here have been having trouble using their NOVA Web email | 14:01 |
| jelkner | abuchholz: we can, but they can't | 14:02 |
| jelkner | so let' | 14:02 |
| jelkner | s | 14:02 |
| jelkner | deal with stuff here first | 14:02 |
| abuchholz | sure | 14:02 |
| jelkner | scooper send an email with a screen shot showing that he couldn't access nova web email | 14:02 |
| jelkner | i replied, cc'ing you | 14:03 |
| jelkner | could you please look at that and let me know what you think? | 14:03 |
| abuchholz | sadly, there is not attachment | 14:03 |
| jelkner | scooper, can you please send it to abuchholz | 14:03 |
| dcammue_ | I mydelf Jeff I can't access mine too. | 14:03 |
| jelkner | everyone, we have abuchholz here for a short while | 14:03 |
| jelkner | let's see if we can get this email issue resolved | 14:04 |
| mulbah | scooper when outside | 14:04 |
| jelkner | drats | 14:04 |
| jelkner | oh well, we won't fix it for now | 14:04 |
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| jelkner | mulbah ask him to send abuchholz the same screen shot he sent me | 14:04 |
| jelkner | we'll deal with this later | 14:04 |
| jelkner | i need to go | 14:04 |
| dcammue_ | oka | 14:04 |
| jelkner | see you all next saturday | 14:05 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off for the day | 14:05 |
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| dcammue_ | tell the family hello for me. | 14:05 |
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| janet | Take care jeff! | 14:05 |
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