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fkoikoi | Good morning shmohamud | 12:33 |
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scooper | good morning shmohamud | 12:36 |
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fkoikoi | Good morning shmohamud | 13:01 |
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shmohamud | glld d\\\ | 13:21 |
shmohamud | good day | 13:21 |
fkoikoi | good morning shmohamud | 13:26 |
shmohamud | good day fkoikoi | 13:28 |
shmohamud | is scooper here today? | 13:28 |
fkoikoi | yes but he went out to buy something | 13:29 |
shmohamud | that's fine | 13:29 |
shmohamud | would you like to get started or wait for scooper? | 13:29 |
fkoikoi | let's get started please | 13:30 |
shmohamud | sounds good | 13:30 |
shmohamud | write me a list of numbers from 0 to 3 using the range function | 13:31 |
shmohamud | can you do that? | 13:31 |
fkoikoi | let me try | 13:31 |
shmohamud | +1 | 13:32 |
fkoikoi | my_list = ["1", "3"] | 13:40 |
fkoikoi | print(my_list) | 13:40 |
shmohamud | this is good, but it's not using the range function | 13:43 |
shmohamud | are you familiar with the range and list method? | 13:44 |
sysadmin_ | good morning shmohamud | 13:47 |
fkoikoi__ | my_list = 3 | 13:47 |
fkoikoi__ | for numbers in range (1, my_list): | 13:47 |
fkoikoi__ | print(my_list) | 13:47 |
shmohamud | good morning sysadmin | 13:47 |
sysadmin_ | hahahah is me Spencer | 13:47 |
shmohamud | Lol I know, you have multiple aliases | 13:48 |
sysadmin_ | but my nick name is refusing to change that why | 13:48 |
shmohamud | I should just start saying Spencer :) | 13:48 |
shmohamud | fkoikoi, another good attempt but I asked you to simply create a list using the range and list methods. What you've shared is iterating through a range | 13:49 |
fkoikoi__ | alright | 13:49 |
sysadmin_ | superheroes = ["thor", "batman", ["superman", "wonder woman"], ["spider man", "haulk"]] | 13:49 |
sysadmin_ | print(superheroes[3][0]) | 13:49 |
fkoikoi__ | let me try again | 13:50 |
sysadmin_ | output is "spider man" | 13:50 |
shmohamud | well done spencer! | 13:50 |
shmohamud | fkokoi, let's see if Spencer can help | 13:50 |
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shmohamud | Spencer, can you generate a list using range and list methods, from 0 to 4. | 13:51 |
shmohamud | Also fkoikoi, can you share your homework when you get the chance? | 13:51 |
scooper | Plese rephrase the question again I done understand... | 13:52 |
shmohamud | create a list [0,1,2,3] using the range and list() methods | 13:52 |
shmohamud | have you used the list() method before? | 13:52 |
scooper | you mean getting the index in a list??? | 13:53 |
shmohamud | no no, I mean creating a new list | 13:53 |
shmohamud | I'll demonstrate because I think the question is not clear | 13:53 |
shmohamud | so, to do this, we can do: new_list = list(range(4)) | 13:54 |
shmohamud | can you both try that out? | 13:54 |
fkoikoi__ | +1 | 13:54 |
scooper | +1 | 13:55 |
shmohamud | what version of python are you guys running? | 13:55 |
scooper | It's done but not displaying anything....... | 13:55 |
shmohamud | I forgot to add, print(new_list) | 13:56 |
scooper | version 3.9 | 13:56 |
shmohamud | Ok good | 13:56 |
shmohamud | question: what if I want to know the length of a list, what built-in function can we use? | 13:57 |
scooper | output is <class list> | 13:57 |
scooper | len | 13:58 |
shmohamud | I don't know why it showing as <class list> instead of showing the actual list - any idea why Spencer? | 13:58 |
shmohamud | +1 len is correct. Very useful function. | 13:58 |
scooper | So that mean you want to checking the total number of items in a list right??? | 13:59 |
scooper | *check | 13:59 |
shmohamud | Yes, exactly | 13:59 |
scooper | let me demonstrate to see if that what you mean | 14:00 |
shmohamud | Ok | 14:00 |
scooper | value = ["Spencer","Freena","Shmohamud","Jeff"] | 14:01 |
scooper | newvalue = len(value) | 14:01 |
scooper | print(newvalue) | 14:01 |
scooper | This program will check the total number of item in a list | 14:01 |
shmohamud | yes, could you do it without declaring a new variable? | 14:02 |
shmohamud | without declaring newvalue | 14:02 |
scooper | value = len(["Spencer","Freena","Shmohamud","Jeff"]) | 14:03 |
scooper | print(value) | 14:03 |
shmohamud | usually we want to keep the list as a list | 14:03 |
shmohamud | can you do it without changing the list from a list to an int? | 14:03 |
shmohamud | Correct, but I was hoping for a slightly different response | 14:04 |
shmohamud | fkokoi are you following? | 14:04 |
fkoikoi__ | +1 | 14:04 |
shmohamud | did you complete your homework? | 14:05 |
fkoikoi__ | yes | 14:05 |
shmohamud | "fkoikoi, write a for loop that loops through a list of names ["freena", "jeff", "spencer", "sahnun"] and prints out "Hello from Monrovia {name}"" | 14:06 |
scooper | you want me to keep the list constant??? | 14:06 |
shmohamud | yes, keep the list as a list | 14:06 |
shmohamud | fkoikoi, can you paste your answer here so we can go over the homeowrk | 14:06 |
scooper | let me try and see | 14:06 |
shmohamud | +1 | 14:07 |
fkoikoi__ | my_team = ("programmers") | 14:08 |
fkoikoi__ | programmers = ["freena", "Jeff", "spencer", "sahnun"] | 14:08 |
fkoikoi__ | for value in programmers: | 14:08 |
fkoikoi__ | print(f"Hello {value} from Monrovia\n") | 14:08 |
shmohamud | well done fkoikoi! | 14:09 |
shmohamud | why did you declare a my_team variable at the top? | 14:10 |
fkoikoi__ | thanks | 14:13 |
scooper | Shmohamud | 14:13 |
scooper | I though of using split method but it's not working | 14:13 |
shmohamud | no need for a split | 14:14 |
shmohamud | value = ["Spencer","Freena","Shmohamud","Jeff"] | 14:14 |
shmohamud | newvalue = len(value) | 14:14 |
shmohamud | print(newvalue) | 14:14 |
shmohamud | print(len(value)) | 14:14 |
shmohamud | does that make senes? | 14:15 |
scooper | Ooh sorry was not following | 14:15 |
scooper | please repeat | 14:15 |
shmohamud | so you wrote a 3 line program to begin | 14:15 |
scooper | ok I m seeing what you did | 14:15 |
shmohamud | then it went to two lines when you took the length of the list directly | 14:16 |
shmohamud | I kept it at two lines, but I kept value as equal to the list | 14:16 |
fkoikoi__ | I declare my_team a variable because I want to assign is to a value called "programmers" | 14:16 |
shmohamud | does that make sense? | 14:16 |
fkoikoi__ | *it | 14:17 |
scooper | Talking to me or fkoikoi? | 14:17 |
shmohamud | you scooper :) | 14:17 |
shmohamud | print(len(value)) | 14:17 |
shmohamud | that was what I was hoping for | 14:17 |
scooper | yes but Why the len is repeated twice??? | 14:17 |
shmohamud | it's not...! | 14:18 |
shmohamud | value = ["Spencer","Freena","Shmohamud","Jeff"] | 14:18 |
shmohamud | newvalue = len(value) | 14:18 |
shmohamud | print(newvalue) | 14:18 |
shmohamud | ^^ that's the original | 14:18 |
shmohamud | instead of creating newvalue, we should just print it on the next line: print(len(value)) | 14:18 |
shmohamud | does that make sense? | 14:19 |
scooper | please give me two minutes let me analysis the program before responding | 14:19 |
shmohamud | fkoikoi: why do you assign programmers to a string and where do you plan to use it, since it's not being used in the program | 14:19 |
shmohamud | Ok scooper | 14:19 |
shmohamud | I'll be right back, going to the restroom | 14:20 |
scooper | Ok | 14:22 |
shmohamud | back | 14:23 |
scooper | This program is not running | 14:23 |
shmohamud | which program? | 14:23 |
scooper | value = ["Spencer", "Freena", "Shmohamud","Jeff"] | 14:23 |
scooper | newvalue = len(value) | 14:24 |
scooper | print(newvalue) | 14:24 |
scooper | print(len(value) | 14:24 |
scooper | this is what you wrote right??? | 14:24 |
shmohamud | yes, excpt remove the print(newvalue) | 14:24 |
scooper | value = ["Spencer", "Freena", "Shmohamud","Jeff"] | 14:25 |
scooper | newvalue = len(value) | 14:25 |
scooper | print(newvalue) | 14:25 |
scooper | #print(len(value) | 14:25 |
shmohamud | why did you keep newvalue and print(newvalue) --- please remove them | 14:26 |
shmohamud | fkoikoi - do you have a response to my question earlier? | 14:26 |
fkoikoi__ | yes | 14:26 |
shmohamud | please share | 14:27 |
scooper | shmohamud | 14:28 |
scooper | our goal here is to maintain the list right??? | 14:28 |
shmohamud | yes, do not change it to len(value) | 14:28 |
shmohamud | and to print the length of it on the next line | 14:28 |
scooper | value = ["Spencer", "Freena", "Shmohamud","Jeff"] | 14:29 |
fkoikoi__ | I wanted to used programmers with the if statement but it want giving me error | 14:29 |
scooper | newvalue = len(value) | 14:29 |
scooper | #print(type(newvalue)) | 14:29 |
scooper | print(type(len(value))) | 14:29 |
fkoikoi__ | something like this | 14:29 |
scooper | If we introduce the "type" to know the data type of this program it will still display int | 14:29 |
shmohamud | scooper, the goal was to keep it shorter to two lines! | 14:29 |
shmohamud | and when did we ask for the type? | 14:29 |
shmohamud | O.O | 14:29 |
scooper | You said previously that the program should not change it data type, am I right?? | 14:30 |
shmohamud | fkoikoi - ok, but what's the need to declare a variable programmers if we can just declare the string wherever we need it? | 14:30 |
shmohamud | Ah, true scooper | 14:30 |
scooper | That why said I want to analyze the program but responding | 14:31 |
shmohamud | scooper we're overcomplicating this now I think. Let's take a step back | 14:31 |
scooper | *before | 14:31 |
shmohamud | value = ["Spencer","Freena","Shmohamud","Jeff"] | 14:31 |
shmohamud | newvalue = len(value) | 14:31 |
shmohamud | print(newvalue) | 14:31 |
shmohamud | my question is, can you combine line 2 and 3 into one line? | 14:32 |
shmohamud | instead of declaring newvalue | 14:32 |
shmohamud | fkoikoi - does my question make sense? I'm not sure how you wanted to use the variable but please share if you had a plan to use it | 14:34 |
fkoikoi__ | okay | 14:34 |
scooper | I got confuse from this statement of your shmohamud "I kept it at two lines, but I kept value as equal to the list" | 14:36 |
fkoikoi__ | my_teame = "programmers" | 14:36 |
fkoikoi__ | if programmers = ["freena", "Jeff", "spencer", "sahnun"] | 14:36 |
fkoikoi__ | for value in programmers: | 14:36 |
fkoikoi__ | print(f"Hello {value} from Monrovia\n") | 14:36 |
shmohamud | Scooper: Ah, that's fair. So, what I mean is if we do: value = len(["Spencer", "Freena", "Shmohamud", "Jeff"]) | 14:37 |
shmohamud | The result is going to be the length, an Int. I prefer to keep it as a list, as it is. | 14:38 |
shmohamud | Because, maybe down the road in the program, we would want to access the list, not just the length of the list | 14:38 |
shmohamud | Does that make sense? | 14:38 |
scooper | Yes | 14:39 |
shmohamud | Ok, so do you have the second line for me now? :) | 14:39 |
fkoikoi__ | or should I rewrite the program this way: | 14:39 |
fkoikoi__ | programmers = ["freena", "Jeff", "spencer", "sahnun"] | 14:39 |
fkoikoi__ | for value in programmers: | 14:39 |
fkoikoi__ | print(f"Hello {value} from Monrovia\n") | 14:39 |
shmohamud | Fkoikoi - I don't see where you're using the my_teamme variable | 14:39 |
shmohamud | I think the above makes more sense, because when writing programs, it's best practice to have no unused variables. It takes up space and confuses the reader. | 14:40 |
shmohamud | Does that mek sense fkoikoi? | 14:40 |
fkoikoi__ | yes | 14:40 |
shmohamud | Awesome, so do you guys know how to concatatenate lists? | 14:41 |
shmohamud | list_a = [1,2,3] | 14:41 |
fkoikoi__ | But I didn't used the variable my_team in the first program | 14:41 |
shmohamud | list_b = [4, 5, 6] | 14:41 |
scooper | let me give it a try | 14:41 |
shmohamud | how do I concatenate (combine) the two lists? | 14:41 |
scooper | I think it work with the append function right | 14:42 |
shmohamud | fkoikoi --> exactly | 14:42 |
shmohamud | scooper -- show me what you're thinking :D | 14:42 |
scooper | list_a = [1,2,3] | 14:44 |
scooper | list_b = [4,5,6] | 14:44 |
scooper | list_a.append(list_b) | 14:44 |
scooper | print(list_a) | 14:44 |
shmohamud | scooper, that works, but what if I said I want the output to be: [1,2,3,4,5,6] instead of [1,2,3, [4,5,6]] | 14:45 |
shmohamud | how would you concatenate the lists? | 14:46 |
scooper | Let me think small | 14:46 |
shmohamud | +1 | 14:46 |
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scooper | shmohamud | 14:49 |
scooper | My thinking ability failed | 14:50 |
fkoikoi | can I try too | 14:50 |
scooper | +1 | 14:50 |
shmohamud | Lol, you're fine! This is new material | 14:50 |
shmohamud | Please try fkoikoi | 14:50 |
fkoikoi | list_a = [1,2,3,4] | 14:51 |
fkoikoi | list_b = [5,6,7,8] | 14:51 |
fkoikoi | list_a.extend(list_b) | 14:51 |
fkoikoi | print(list_a) | 14:51 |
shmohamud | well done fkoikoi! | 14:51 |
shmohamud | next question: can you do it without the extend function? | 14:52 |
fkoikoi | let me try | 14:52 |
fkoikoi | list_a = [1,2,3,4] | 14:53 |
fkoikoi | list_b = [5,6,7,8] | 14:53 |
fkoikoi | list_a.append(list_b) | 14:53 |
fkoikoi | print(list_a) | 14:53 |
shmohamud | that's what scooper attempted earlier, the issue is it outputs as : [1,2,3,4, [5,6,7,8]] | 14:54 |
shmohamud | so let me let you guys in on a simple way to do this: | 14:54 |
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shmohamud | combined_list = list_a + list+b | 14:55 |
shmohamud | combined_list = list_a + list_b | 14:55 |
scooper | ooh with the plus operator | 14:55 |
shmohamud | yes! | 14:55 |
shmohamud | try it and let me know how it gpes | 14:55 |
scooper | list_a = [1,2,3] | 14:58 |
scooper | list_b = [4,5,6] | 14:58 |
scooper | list_a.extend(list_b) | 14:58 |
scooper | print(list_a) | 14:58 |
scooper | sorry | 14:58 |
scooper | list_a = [1,2,3,4] | 14:58 |
scooper | list_b = [4,5,6,7] | 14:58 |
scooper | joinit = list_a + list_b | 14:58 |
scooper | print(joinit) | 14:58 |
shmohamud | it prints as expected right scooper? | 14:59 |
scooper | yes | 14:59 |
scooper | the is a question | 14:59 |
shmohamud | last topic for the day: slicing! | 14:59 |
shmohamud | yes scooper? | 14:59 |
scooper | this "format" which stand for "f" is also use for concatenation | 15:00 |
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scooper | why trying it in another way it render something else | 15:00 |
shmohamud | you mean append vs. + operator? | 15:00 |
scooper | NO | 15:00 |
scooper | I mean print(f"") | 15:01 |
scooper | with the value placed between the double quotation marks | 15:01 |
shmohamud | let me test on my system, can you give me an example of a string that prints differently based on whether you use formatted string? | 15:02 |
scooper | this is what I mean | 15:03 |
scooper | list_a = [1,2,3,4] | 15:03 |
scooper | list_b = [4,5,6,7] | 15:03 |
scooper | joinit = list_a + list_b | 15:03 |
scooper | #print(joinit) | 15:03 |
scooper | print("{list_a}{list_b}") | 15:03 |
scooper | list_a = [1,2,3,4] | 15:04 |
scooper | list_b = [4,5,6,7] | 15:04 |
scooper | #joinit = list_a + list_b | 15:04 |
scooper | #print(joinit) | 15:04 |
scooper | print("{list_a}{list_b}") | 15:04 |
shmohamud | print({list_a}{list_b}) is still two separate lists | 15:06 |
shmohamud | so it would print "[1,2,3,4][5,6,7,8]" right? | 15:07 |
scooper | sorry it is working | 15:07 |
scooper | but not print what was expected | 15:08 |
scooper | list_a = [1,2,3,4] | 15:08 |
scooper | list_b = [4,5,6,7] | 15:08 |
scooper | #joinit = list_a + list_b | 15:08 |
scooper | #print(joinit) | 15:08 |
scooper | print(f"{list_a}{list_b}") | 15:08 |
shmohamud | ok, what's unexpected about the output? | 15:08 |
scooper | It's printing the previous output I give you first | 15:09 |
shmohamud | can you write the unexpected output | 15:09 |
scooper | No it find for now Shmohamud | 15:10 |
shmohamud | Ok, so do you guys know how slicing works in Python? | 15:10 |
scooper | for me yes | 15:10 |
shmohamud | fkoikoi? | 15:11 |
shmohamud | test_list = [9, 41, 12, 3, 74, 15] | 15:12 |
fkoikoi | no | 15:12 |
shmohamud | scooper, can you show me a slice that gets [9, 41, 12, 3] | 15:12 |
scooper | let me give it a try | 15:12 |
shmohamud | +1 | 15:13 |
shmohamud | fkoikoi, slicing lists is about getting back a chunk of a list | 15:14 |
scooper | test_list = [9,41,12,3,74,15] | 15:15 |
scooper | print(test_list[0:4]) | 15:15 |
shmohamud | perfect | 15:15 |
shmohamud | do you see how that worked fkoikoi? We take a range and it prints all indices up to but not including the end of the range | 15:16 |
shmohamud | scooper, can you slice [74, 15] please? | 15:16 |
scooper | test_list = [9,41,12,3,74,15] | 15:17 |
scooper | print(test_list[4:]) | 15:17 |
shmohamud | awesome! | 15:18 |
shmohamud | alright well you guys we've had a great session. Any questions before we call it a day? | 15:18 |
scooper | Yes | 15:18 |
shmohamud | Ok, let's hear it | 15:18 |
scooper | these two are use for concatenation in python "f" and "+" why "f" didn't work as expected in the previous example give. Second when is it appropriate to use either of the two?? | 15:20 |
scooper | *secondly | 15:20 |
shmohamud | "f" isn't for concatenating strings, it's for formatting string literals | 15:21 |
shmohamud | + and "append" are used to concatenate strings | 15:21 |
shmohamud | I mean, extend **** | 15:21 |
shmohamud | Does that make sense? | 15:22 |
scooper | Yes | 15:22 |
shmohamud | any more good questions before we call it a day? | 15:23 |
scooper | so when is it appreciate to use either of the two | 15:23 |
shmohamud | check this out for more on formatted string literals: https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/inputoutput.html#tut-f-strings | 15:23 |
scooper | Thanks | 15:23 |
shmohamud | You're welcome. They're not interchangeable, there's no concatenating using "f". If you want a formatted string, use "f" if you want to concatenate lists, use the "+" operator | 15:24 |
shmohamud | fkoikoi, any questions before we call it a day? | 15:25 |
fkoikoi | I saw the examples about slicing lists but I didn't really get a clear understanding of it | 15:25 |
fkoikoi | would you make me understand please | 15:25 |
shmohamud | Ok, the best way to is to practice fkoikoi. | 15:26 |
shmohamud | For homework, take this list [9,41,12,3,74,15] | 15:26 |
shmohamud | and take slices of [9, 41], [9, 41, 12], [3,74], and [3, 74,15] | 15:27 |
shmohamud | For now, scooper, can you explain how slicing works? | 15:27 |
scooper | Yes | 15:27 |
scooper | fkoikoi | 15:27 |
scooper | according to python list have an index value | 15:28 |
scooper | which always begins with a zero index | 15:28 |
scooper | looking at the list = [9,41,........] example that was given | 15:28 |
scooper | it has an index of 6 but when counting we will start counting it from zero that mean our numeric value here is 5 | 15:30 |
scooper | To get the slice of a value in a list we use the the name of the variable follow by this [ ] | 15:31 |
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scooper | in this [ ] you indicate where you want to start the counting from example. I want to start counting from zero | 15:32 |
scooper | and end on 2 | 15:32 |
scooper | That mean from zero index print 9 and 41, not do not include 12 | 15:33 |
shmohamud | fkoikoi, are you following? Spencer is doing a great job so far | 15:33 |
fkoikoi | sure | 15:34 |
scooper | example will be print(the name of the variable ["in here indicate where you want your counting to start. and include a colon between the start and ending point] | 15:35 |
scooper | does that make sense??? | 15:35 |
fkoikoi | yes scooper | 15:35 |
shmohamud | Ok fkoikoi, did you save tonight's homework? | 15:36 |
fkoikoi | yes | 15:36 |
shmohamud | Scooper I have homework for you too | 15:36 |
scooper | I almost ask for it | 15:36 |
shmohamud | Hahaha | 15:36 |
shmohamud | can you open this link? https://www.w3schools.com/python/python_lists_methods.asp | 15:37 |
scooper | I just did | 15:37 |
shmohamud | I want you to learn two new list methods, and come with examples to teach them to me and fkoikoi tomorrow. I recommend starting with sort() and reverse(). Have you learned those already? | 15:38 |
fkoikoi | no | 15:38 |
scooper | Yes I did sort before | 15:39 |
shmohamud | Ok, have you done pop()? | 15:39 |
scooper | and reverse with you few days ago | 15:39 |
shmohamud | Oh, I remember now | 15:39 |
shmohamud | Have you learned all the list methods on the list? Check and let me know now | 15:39 |
shmohamud | If you have, I have something else I'll give you | 15:39 |
scooper | No | 15:39 |
shmohamud | Which ones will you study and share on tomorrow? | 15:40 |
scooper | All | 15:40 |
shmohamud | ok, but can you choose two to come with examples on? | 15:40 |
scooper | you choose for me | 15:40 |
shmohamud | have you used all of them already? | 15:41 |
scooper | No but I m going to learn base on your instruction | 15:41 |
shmohamud | Ok, can you choose two now? Two is alot, I want you to learn them well and test in many different scenarios | 15:41 |
scooper | ok | 15:41 |
scooper | let me see | 15:41 |
shmohamud | I don't know which ones you haven't used so I want you to choose | 15:42 |
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shmohamud | +1 | 15:42 |
scooper | I will like to try reverse and insert... since reverse did not work this gone time | 15:43 |
shmohamud | Ok, I'm expecting two examples you can explain tomorrow. One for reverse, one for insert :) | 15:43 |
shmohamud | Sound good? | 15:43 |
scooper | Yes Programmer | 15:43 |
shmohamud | Hehe awesome. Any final questions before we call it a day? | 15:44 |
shmohamud | You guys are doing great, by the way :) | 15:44 |
scooper | Thanks | 15:44 |
fkoikoi | thqnks | 15:44 |
fkoikoi | thanks | 15:44 |
shmohamud | do you guys prefer we meet earlier, 9AM my time instead of 10am my time? | 15:46 |
scooper | If it's ok for you | 15:46 |
shmohamud | It's OK for me, so let's start doing 9AM my time :) | 15:47 |
fkoikoi | okay | 15:47 |
scooper | OK Shmohamud | 15:47 |
shmohamud | See you tomorrow at 9AM, have a wonderful evening and good luck with the homework. | 15:47 |
scooper | Ok | 15:47 |
scooper | Thanks for always be there | 15:47 |
fkoikoi | alright | 15:47 |
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shmohamud | you're welcome | 15:48 |
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