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jelkner | !agenda | 11:10 |
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LittleWebster | Warning: There are no items on the agenda! | 11:10 |
jelkner | Hmm... no one here and nothing on the agenda. | 11:23 |
mulbah | Good morning Jeff | 11:58 |
svaye | Good morning Jeff | 12:02 |
mulbah | Hello svaye how are you doing | 12:03 |
svaye | I am good, how are you mulbah | 12:03 |
mulbah | Good as well | 12:04 |
svaye | What's going on here | 12:06 |
jelkner | Good afternoon, svaye | 12:09 |
jelkner | I thought we were meeting at 12 noon your time | 12:09 |
jelkner | svaye, i only have 50 more minutes | 12:09 |
svaye | Yes it's 12:09 now | 12:09 |
jelkner | oh | 12:10 |
jelkner | my bad, as we say | 12:10 |
jelkner | i thought it was 5 hours different | 12:10 |
jelkner | i guess now it's only 4 | 12:10 |
svaye | I am sorry I am a little bit late | 12:10 |
jelkner | i really meant 11 am, but i didn't know it | 12:10 |
jelkner | let me check something on my phone | 12:11 |
jelkner | i have a clock app that has Monrovia time | 12:11 |
svaye | Okay Jeff next time I can be online by 11 am | 12:11 |
jelkner | Yup, it has the right time, jelkner had the wrong time! :-( | 12:12 |
jelkner | Anyway, i will normally be available from 11 am to 12 noon your time | 12:12 |
jelkner | since then i have to go teach at the community college | 12:12 |
jelkner | svaye, did you receive the email from ciw? | 12:12 |
svaye | Okay I will be onli | 12:12 |
jelkner | it should have come last night to your novawebdev email address | 12:13 |
svaye | yes I received the email yesterday evening | 12:13 |
jelkner | perfect | 12:13 |
jelkner | so my first question is whether you can access the online curriculum | 12:14 |
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jelkner | i can see you are enrolled | 12:15 |
svaye | I can come to the lab everyday so technically yes I can access the online curriculum | 12:15 |
jelkner | but when i look at your account it says, "last login: never" | 12:15 |
jelkner | great, svaye | 12:15 |
jelkner | try to login now | 12:15 |
jelkner | in the 45 minutes we have now, let's talk about how to start using the course | 12:16 |
svaye | Should I login or sign in | 12:16 |
jelkner | +1 | 12:16 |
svaye | Should I use my novaweb email to sign in? | 12:17 |
jelkner | +1 | 12:18 |
jelkner | oh, i have a password for you | 12:18 |
jelkner | did it include that in the email? | 12:18 |
jelkner | you can change the password | 12:18 |
jelkner | but i set one when i enrolled you | 12:18 |
svaye | can you please send me the password | 12:20 |
mulbah | hello Jeff | 12:22 |
jelkner | svaye: i just clicked a button to "send password link" | 12:22 |
jelkner | you should get another email from CIW with a link to set your password | 12:22 |
svaye | I got it thanks Jeff | 12:24 |
jelkner | excellent | 12:24 |
jelkner | let me know once you have logged in | 12:25 |
mulbah | Jeff will Mr. Cole meet us today | 12:25 |
jelkner | mulbah: i have no idea | 12:26 |
jelkner | if you emailed him, and he said he would, he is a pretty reliable guy | 12:27 |
svaye | I have logged in Jeff | 12:27 |
jelkner | but he is getting older, and like me, his mind is deteriorating :-( | 12:27 |
jelkner | so sometimes he forgets | 12:27 |
jelkner | mulbah: he likes email the best | 12:28 |
jelkner | so please keep trying to communicate with him that way | 12:28 |
mulbah | okay | 12:28 |
jelkner | i will see him on June 24th | 12:28 |
jelkner | but it would be best if you can get started with him before then | 12:28 |
jelkner | svaye: great! | 12:28 |
svaye | How do I get started? | 12:30 |
jelkner | i'm looking at that now | 12:30 |
jelkner | the first thing we want you to do is to take the pre-assessment | 12:30 |
jelkner | it is a 55 question test | 12:30 |
jelkner | you won't understand most of it | 12:31 |
jelkner | but that's ok | 12:31 |
svaye | Who is my instructor | 12:31 |
jelkner | me ;-) | 12:31 |
jelkner | this is the same learning material i use with my web students at the career center | 12:32 |
jelkner | i asked them to set up a small section for me to teach you and Daniel | 12:32 |
jelkner | svaye: Daniel will be back Monday, yes? | 12:32 |
jelkner | I need to get him enrolled too. | 12:32 |
svaye_ | Daniel will be back Monday | 12:33 |
jelkner | great | 12:33 |
jelkner | i will enroll him then | 12:34 |
jelkner | and he can take the pre-assessment too | 12:34 |
jelkner | can you see the pre-assessment? | 12:34 |
svaye_ | Yes should I click on it | 12:34 |
jelkner | wait | 12:34 |
jelkner | make sure you have at least an hour before you start | 12:35 |
jelkner | it is 55 questions with a time limit of 2 hours | 12:35 |
jelkner | it won't take you 2 hours | 12:35 |
jelkner | since you don't know most of the material | 12:35 |
jelkner | when you read a question and don't understand much of it, just make your best guess | 12:35 |
svaye_ | So I shoul start by 1 pm my time | 12:35 |
jelkner | you can start whenever you like | 12:36 |
jelkner | i will be able to see your score | 12:36 |
svaye_ | Okay | 12:36 |
jelkner | then we can start with Lesson 1 on Monday | 12:36 |
jelkner | i am going to enroll Daniel now | 12:36 |
svaye_ | Okay Jeff | 12:37 |
jelkner | great, svaye_ | 12:37 |
jelkner | thanks! | 12:37 |
jelkner | i got your email about tomorrow | 12:37 |
jelkner | have a great time at your aunt's wedding! | 12:37 |
svaye_ | I will start the pre assessment now | 12:37 |
jelkner | super | 12:37 |
jelkner | see you Monday | 12:37 |
svaye_ | Thanks Jeff | 12:37 |
svaye_ | Have a nice day Jeff | 12:37 |
jelkner | i'm going to log off and head to Maine for vacation | 12:37 |
jelkner | you too! | 12:37 |
jelkner | ACTION logs off for today | 12:38 |
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mulbah | hey svaye | 12:39 |
mulbah | where are you | 12:40 |
svaye_ | I am in the lab | 12:40 |
mulbah | Hello tboimah | 12:47 |
tboimah | I am Good mulbah and you? | 12:48 |
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mulbah | How are you doing Mr. Cole | 12:59 |
ubuntourist | Shhhhhhowtime! | 13:00 |
ubuntourist | Hi, all. | 13:00 |
shmohamud | Hello | 13:00 |
ubuntourist | I'm mostly awake. | 13:00 |
ubuntourist | How are you all? | 13:00 |
svaye_ | I am fine how are you | 13:01 |
ubuntourist | Mostly awake. ;-) | 13:01 |
mulbah | i'm good sir | 13:01 |
mulbah | am one of the system administrator | 13:02 |
ubuntourist | So, let's get down to the practical questions first, so that I know what the layoit is. | 13:02 |
mulbah | so what is the plain for today Sir | 13:02 |
ubuntourist | 1. Are you all physically in the same place right now? | 13:02 |
tboimah | Good morning ubuntourist | 13:03 |
ubuntourist | ACTION is waiting for an answer before the next question.... | 13:04 |
mulbah | I'm no | 13:04 |
mulbah | -1 | 13:05 |
ubuntourist | OK. | 13:05 |
tboimah | by monday we will try to be at the same area | 13:05 |
ubuntourist | OK. | 13:05 |
tboimah | but for today no | 13:05 |
ubuntourist | 2. Have you all used "apt install" on your computers to install software? | 13:06 |
tboimah | +1 | 13:06 |
tboimah | yoe | 13:06 |
tboimah | yes | 13:06 |
scooper | Good morning Cole aka ubuntourist | 13:06 |
ubuntourist | Excellent. | 13:06 |
scooper | Good morning my Programmer shmohamud | 13:07 |
shmohamud | Good morning Scooper :) | 13:07 |
ubuntourist | I mentioned in e-mail to tboimah that we can do some stuff with IRC but I want to improve on that a little bit. | 13:08 |
ubuntourist | In the past, we've tried doing audio and video, but the bandwidth has been crappy. | 13:08 |
ubuntourist | However, there are "low-bandwidth" solutions that don't require as much connectivity. | 13:09 |
scooper | shmohamud can we go private since the main chat is busy | 13:09 |
shmohamud | yes we can | 13:09 |
scooper | Just in case you are in mood to tutor me and freena... | 13:09 |
ubuntourist | I would like to try setting up some of those solutions and testing them out. | 13:09 |
ubuntourist | First, audio. | 13:10 |
ubuntourist | Linux has a lot of programs that work in pairs. These are called client/server programs. | 13:11 |
ubuntourist | The web is like that: You have a big computer (a server computer) with web server program like Apache or Nginx | 13:12 |
ubuntourist | and you have individual personal computers with client software called web browsers like Firefox, Chromium, etc. | 13:13 |
ubuntourist | For low-bandwidth audio, we're going to try client software called "mumble" on your personal computers, and "murmur" on the server in Germany. | 13:13 |
ubuntourist | Before we do that, does anyone know how to add me as a user on the server in Germany? | 13:14 |
tboimah | I once yeah about that mumble and we once us it before but we was facing problem with audio | 13:15 |
mulbah | I have murmur on my computer | 13:15 |
ubuntourist | mulbah, murmur should be on the server. Mumble should be on the personal computers -- unless you were running your computer as a server for other people to connect to. | 13:16 |
ubuntourist | tboimah, Well. That's disappointing. I was hoping mumble / murmur using the computer in Germany would work. | 13:17 |
ubuntourist | Okay. Let's scrap that idea. | 13:17 |
tboimah | yeah i have use mumble before | 13:18 |
tboimah | on my personal computer | 13:18 |
ubuntourist | Have you installed "tmux" on the server in germany? | 13:18 |
tboimah | no | 13:18 |
mulbah | -1 | 13:19 |
ubuntourist | (What is the name of that server, so that I don't have to keep typing "the server in germany"?) | 13:19 |
mulbah | the server name is students.mcssliberia.org | 13:20 |
ubuntourist | mulbah, thanks. | 13:20 |
mulbah | You welcome | 13:21 |
ubuntourist | So, guess: How do you think you would install tmux? (It's pretty simple.) | 13:21 |
tboimah | sudo apt install tmux | 13:21 |
mulbah | by typing sudo apt install in the terminal | 13:22 |
mulbah | tmux | 13:22 |
ubuntourist | tboimah, mulbah , yup. So, someone install it on students.mcessliberia.org | 13:22 |
ubuntourist | ACTION waits while that gets installed. | 13:22 |
tboimah | should we ssh in students.mcssliberia.org before installing it | 13:23 |
ubuntourist | tboimah, that's the only way I would know... | 13:24 |
tboimah | okay just wanted to confirm it | 13:24 |
ubuntourist | While someone is doing that. Can anyone tell me if there is a user on students.mcssliberia.org that is shared between several people? | 13:26 |
ubuntourist | If not, we're going to create one. | 13:26 |
tboimah | I don't think so | 13:26 |
mulbah | no everyone have their own account | 13:27 |
ubuntourist | I am guessing that you each have your own user account, but I want a user named "students" or something like that, where all of you (and I) will have the password. | 13:27 |
ubuntourist | Because we're all going to log into the same account and I'll show the magic of why tmux is cool. | 13:28 |
tboimah | yeah that would be cool | 13:28 |
tboimah | but i think we will need to contact the Jeff and the others because they are the admin for the server | 13:29 |
mulbah | sure | 13:29 |
ubuntourist | Oh. I was thinking that maybe someone here had admin permissions on that system. Bother. | 13:30 |
tboimah | he was trying to that but i don't why? | 13:30 |
tboimah | he was trying to that but i don't know why | 13:31 |
ubuntourist | OK... We'll have to wait on that too. Who -- besides Jeff -- has admin privileges? | 13:31 |
tboimah | tmarklson | 13:31 |
tboimah | i also have privilleges but i stay having problem with my password | 13:32 |
ubuntourist | tboimah, Can you explain what goes wrong? Are you able to "ssh tboimah@students.mcssliberia.org" successfully? | 13:34 |
ubuntourist | (And does someone share an e-mail address for tmarklson so that I can send a message?) | 13:36 |
tboimah | $ ssh tboimah@students.gctaa.net that was the server | 13:38 |
tboimah | and i can i ssh in to that | 13:39 |
mulbah | tboimah i don't think that is the server | 13:39 |
tboimah | it is the server mulbah | 13:39 |
tboimah | that was what Jeff send me to ssh into | 13:40 |
mulbah | so the server is tudents.gctaa.net | 13:40 |
tboimah | sure according to Jeff | 13:40 |
mulbah | Hmmmmmmmm.. | 13:41 |
mulbah | Really? | 13:41 |
ubuntourist | mulbah is correct, I think: students.gctaa.net is Jeff's server that he uses with all of his students. But I'm looking for somrone who can log in to students.mcssliberia.org which is the server in Germany. | 13:41 |
mulbah | because the server we log into the other time was students.mcssliberia.org | 13:42 |
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tboimah | scooper can you ssh into the students.mcssliberia.org | 13:43 |
mulbah | I'm trying to login but it is tell me ssh: connect to host students.mcssliberia.org port 22: Connection timed out | 13:43 |
ubuntourist | gctaa has been alive for many years, and I don't think Jeff will want you messing with that one. mcssliberia is your system. | 13:43 |
ubuntourist | mulbah, good: We can diagnose problems from that error message. | 13:44 |
mulbah | what do you mean by that | 13:44 |
mulbah | but we can use tmate today | 13:45 |
ubuntourist | I mean that the error you gave me indicates that the problem is not with a password or user name. So. We will look somewhere else for the trouble. | 13:45 |
mulbah | to do terminal sharing | 13:45 |
ubuntourist | mulbah, tmux. Okay, how? | 13:46 |
mulbah | u mean how can we use tmate to do terminal sharing | 13:47 |
tboimah | what mulbah is saying it is also a good idea we can us tmate for today | 13:47 |
ubuntourist | mulbah, Yep. We need a server, on the internet, where someone in today's meeting has admin privileges. | 13:48 |
tboimah | when you type tmate in the terminal you will a ssh message and then copy and past in here and we will also ssh into it | 13:48 |
ubuntourist | mulbah, somewhere that one of you participating today can use "sudo" and somewhere that I have a login. | 13:49 |
ubuntourist | You all keep saying "tmate". So maybe I'm not up to date. I haven't used anything called "tmate". | 13:50 |
ubuntourist | Let me look. | 13:50 |
ubuntourist | Ah. It looks like you are ahead of me. | 13:50 |
mulbah | okay | 13:50 |
mulbah | try this in your terminal ssh 3hrGjarvKNe99q69fCQwrqYgC@lon1.tmate.io | 13:51 |
ubuntourist | mulbah, thanks! We have a solution then. | 13:53 |
mulbah | you welcome | 13:53 |
mulbah | we can practices command there | 13:54 |
ubuntourist | All participants, ssh there. | 13:54 |
tboimah | i am already there | 13:55 |
ubuntourist | Great, Is it jus you two and me? | 13:55 |
tboimah | yeah | 13:55 |
mulbah | that is my terminal i'm sharing with your | 13:55 |
ubuntourist | Great. | 13:55 |
ubuntourist | So. Let's poke around with "dot files" | 13:55 |
mulbah | so which command we are going to learn good today? | 13:57 |
ubuntourist | First, "sudo apt install most" if it is not already on your system | 13:57 |
ubuntourist | ("most" is a type of program called a "pager" that lets you examine files without editing them, and has some other interesting features. | 13:58 |
mulbah | what is most? | 13:58 |
ubuntourist | You have probably already used "cat" to display the contents of a file. | 13:59 |
ubuntourist | But some files do not contain text and trying to display them results in garbage. For example, try: | 13:59 |
ubuntourist | cat /usr/bin/most | 14:00 |
mulbah | and we can also use less to view the contest of a too right | 14:00 |
ubuntourist | mulbah, yes "less" is a pager too. But "most" is a better one. | 14:01 |
ubuntourist | See? Garbage. | 14:01 |
ubuntourist | Try it now with "less" | 14:01 |
ubuntourist | (clear first) | 14:02 |
mulbah | it's a binary file | 14:03 |
ubuntourist | Less is smart enough to warn you. You can answer either way. If you say "y" you get garbage. If you say "n" it aborts. | 14:03 |
ubuntourist | Let's say "n" | 14:03 |
ubuntourist | Now try it with most | 14:03 |
mulbah | it is just binary number on the screen | 14:05 |
ubuntourist | Most understands that it is a binary file. It displays a "hexadecimal dump" format on the left, and tries to display readable stuff on the right. | 14:05 |
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ubuntourist | It also has help at the bottom of the screen. Type "H" | 14:06 |
tboimah | sure | 14:06 |
mulbah | okay | 14:06 |
ubuntourist | It is much, much more powerful than "less". | 14:06 |
sysadmin | ACTION fkoikoi | 14:07 |
ubuntourist | I recommend installing it on every computer you meet. It is one of the first "extras" that I install after setting up a new computer. | 14:07 |
mulbah | wow | 14:08 |
ubuntourist | Let's get out of that for now. Press "space" then "q" to quit. | 14:08 |
tboimah | sound great | 14:08 |
ubuntourist | Get in the habit of using it instead of "cat" or "less" or "vim" (I recommend only using vim when you want to CHANGE the contents of a file.) | 14:09 |
ubuntourist | OK. Back to "dot files" | 14:09 |
mulbah | okay sir | 14:09 |
tboimah | okay | 14:09 |
ubuntourist | FIles and directories that begin with "." are "hidden" because users shouldn't screw around with them often. | 14:10 |
ubuntourist | Some are "dangerous" to mess with. But, as you become better at systems administration, you will find that you can work with them carefully. | 14:10 |
ubuntourist | ls -A | 14:11 |
ubuntourist | shows the "dot files and dot directories". | 14:11 |
ubuntourist | You may have already looked at or edited some of these. (I don't know what you've explored so far.) | 14:12 |
ubuntourist | Let's look at a very basic one: | 14:12 |
ubuntourist | most .profile | 14:12 |
ubuntourist | Hello? | 14:15 |
mulbah | yeah hello | 14:16 |
mulbah | we are following | 14:16 |
ubuntourist | OK. It got quiet, and I wasn't sure. | 14:16 |
mulbah | do you have mumble install on your computer | 14:17 |
ubuntourist | So, ~/.profile and ~/.bashrc together control a LOT of how your personal interaction with your account works. | 14:17 |
ubuntourist | Yes. | 14:17 |
ubuntourist | I have mumble. | 14:17 |
mulbah | I'm thinking of a way that we can do audio chat | 14:18 |
ubuntourist | mulbah, go for it! | 14:18 |
mulbah | okay let we try it | 14:18 |
ubuntourist | mulbah, what would you like me to do? | 14:19 |
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mulbah | just give me a min | 14:20 |
ubuntourist | ACTION is checking mail for a minute while mulbah sets up... | 14:22 |
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mulbah | okay | 14:27 |
ubuntourist | ACTION is ready to follow instructions. | 14:28 |
mulbah | open up mumble and go to add new connection | 14:28 |
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ubuntourist | Yep. | 14:29 |
mulbah | where you will address put liunx | 14:29 |
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ubuntourist | Just "linux"? It needs an IP address... | 14:30 |
mulbah | yeah just liunx | 14:31 |
ubuntourist | OK... | 14:31 |
mulbah | not linux | 14:31 |
mulbah | and where you will see port put 64738 | 14:32 |
ubuntourist | Ok. l-i-u-n-x. and the port is already set to that default. | 14:33 |
ubuntourist | (I'm going with "ubuntourist" as the username, unless otherwise instructed.) | 14:34 |
mulbah | okay | 14:34 |
mulbah | waiting to see you there | 14:34 |
ubuntourist | It doesn't offer "Connect" - Connect is greyed out. I think because liunx is not a valid IP address. | 14:35 |
mulbah | really | 14:37 |
mulbah | than let me try another way | 14:37 |
ubuntourist | (It's looking for something.something.something -- either a numeric address like 134.246.4.3 or liunx.org or liunx.net or www.liunx.net... | 14:37 |
ubuntourist | I have a server set up. Never tried it with anyone else but you can try mine.... | 14:38 |
mulbah | okay | 14:38 |
ubuntourist | The address is "ubuntourist.studio" | 14:38 |
ubuntourist | (Default port, and whatever username you want.) | 14:38 |
mulbah | what is the port | 14:39 |
ubuntourist | 64738 - the default | 14:40 |
mulbah | okay | 14:40 |
mulbah | I am seeing view certificate | 14:41 |
mulbah | and "No" and "Yes" | 14:42 |
ubuntourist | Oh. Right. I forgot, I don't think your answer matters, but say "Yes" | 14:42 |
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ubuntourist | I will need to leave shortly. 10 or 15 minutes left. | 14:55 |
mulbah | okay | 15:02 |
mulbah | I'm reinstalling it | 15:02 |
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mulbah | but Mr. Cole are you on signal | 15:02 |
ubuntourist | Nope. I don't even have a cell phone. | 15:03 |
mulbah | I reconnect to the server in mumble | 15:05 |
mulbah | but i'm not seeing you there | 15:05 |
ubuntourist | OK. Let me rejoin | 15:05 |
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mulbah | okay thank for making my day nice | 15:15 |
ubuntourist | Well, again thanks very much for tmate! | 15:16 |
mulbah | so we will meet Monday right | 15:16 |
mulbah | by the same time | 15:17 |
ubuntourist | Yeah. Same time. That's 9:00 to 11:00 for me, and 1:00 to 3:00 for you right? | 15:17 |
mulbah | okay | 15:18 |
ubuntourist | Oh, I should ask: I don't have your name. Only "mulbah" | 15:18 |
mulbah | yeah that is it | 15:18 |
mulbah | Mulbah T Kolleh | 15:18 |
mulbah | is my name | 15:18 |
ubuntourist | Thanks! | 15:19 |
mulbah | do you have the book we are reading | 15:19 |
ubuntourist | Probably not. | 15:19 |
ubuntourist | What is it? | 15:19 |
mulbah | connect to the server let me sent you it | 15:20 |
mulbah | the book | 15:20 |
ubuntourist | Which server? I do not have an account on gtcaa or mcssliberia. | 15:21 |
mulbah | I mean on mumble | 15:21 |
mulbah | Think it will be better i send it to you on your email | 15:23 |
mulbah | bye | 15:25 |
mulbah | ACTION singing out | 15:26 |
mulbah | see you on monday | 15:26 |
mulbah | Thanks for the day again | 15:27 |
mulbah | Did you see my email Mr. Cole | 15:33 |
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