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jkoleah | good morning everyone | 10:32 |
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scooper | Good morning Jkoleah | 10:42 |
svaye | Good morning scooper | 10:45 |
svaye | Good morning jkoleah | 10:45 |
scooper | good morning svaye | 10:46 |
svaye | scooper I won't be able to come to the office this week because I have to take care of my little siblings | 10:47 |
svaye | I will work from home please consider | 10:48 |
scooper | ok but you just need to be online regularly that all..... | 10:48 |
svaye | I will be online regularly | 10:48 |
scooper | secondly I tried pushing to the Rural Stove project but I m seeing permission deny.... I think it's something I need to handle | 10:49 |
scooper | because I have already created a local branch on my computer called scooper...... | 10:50 |
scooper | But I m trying how to figure it out and push to the repository you created... The team need the work from the email I received from Jeff this morning.. | 10:51 |
scooper | did you check your mail svaye???? | 10:51 |
scooper | fkoikoi | 10:52 |
fkoikoi | yes | 10:52 |
scooper | did you clone the work??? | 10:52 |
scooper | ACTION asking fkoikoi?? | 10:54 |
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scooper | ACTION waiting for fkoikoi respond...... | 10:55 |
janet | That's what fkoikoi is doing | 10:55 |
scooper | sweet.... | 10:56 |
fkoikoi | spencer can you please paste the link here, I can't access my git account | 10:56 |
jelkner | Good morning everyone. | 10:57 |
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scooper | Good morning Jeffery Elkner, now was your night???? | 10:58 |
jelkner | Fine my friend, is dcammue here? | 10:59 |
janet | Good morning Jeff | 10:59 |
jelkner | Good morning janet | 10:59 |
fkoikoi | Good morning Jeff | 10:59 |
jelkner | Good morning fkoikoi | 10:59 |
jelkner | svaye, is dammue around? | 11:00 |
svaye | Good morning Jeff | 11:00 |
jelkner | i wanted to talk to the two of you about our plan for the CIW curriculum | 11:00 |
svaye | I am working from home Jeff so I can't say | 11:00 |
jelkner | ok, got it | 11:00 |
fkoikoi | He's trying to connect Jeff | 11:00 |
jelkner | i'll start | 11:01 |
jkoleah | good morning Jeff | 11:01 |
jelkner | and he can look at the logs for whatever he misses | 11:01 |
jelkner | good morning jkoleah, great to see you! | 11:01 |
jkoleah | yeah, me too | 11:01 |
jelkner | jkoleah, i need to talk to the web group, but i'll touch base with you after | 11:02 |
jelkner | svaye, i can see you completed the quiz | 11:02 |
jkoleah | okay | 11:02 |
svaye | Yes Jeff | 11:02 |
scooper | Jeff | 11:02 |
jelkner | scores are not bad, but you need to get 75% or higher to earn the certification | 11:02 |
jelkner | so we need to talk about the strategy to move forward | 11:03 |
scooper | We been here since 10 base on your instruction(python team) | 11:03 |
svaye | So I we going to retake the quiz | 11:03 |
svaye | sorry I meant are | 11:03 |
jelkner | well, we can decide what we want to do | 11:03 |
jelkner | what do you think? | 11:03 |
jelkner | do you remember what i showed you i did after i took the quiz? | 11:04 |
svaye | yes | 11:04 |
dcammue | Good morning Jeff | 11:04 |
jelkner | i like to make "mini experiments" for each question i get wrong on the quizzes | 11:05 |
jelkner | https://jelkner.github.io/webdesign/ciw/ | 11:05 |
Gap | hi jeff gabriel here | 11:05 |
jelkner | hello, Gap! | 11:06 |
Gap | How're you jeff | 11:06 |
jelkner | so, svaye and dcammue, what do you think will help you the most? | 11:06 |
dcammue | to put the questions that we missed into website as you do | 11:07 |
jelkner | how i am, Gap, depends mostly on how much progress we are making! | 11:07 |
jelkner | great, dcammue | 11:07 |
jelkner | why don't you work on that, and prepare to present that to me on Saturday | 11:07 |
jelkner | does that make sense? | 11:07 |
jelkner | on saturday we can discuss taking the quizzes again | 11:08 |
jelkner | i think it is a good idea to keep taking the quizzes until you score more than 85% | 11:08 |
dcammue | then with that, we will atleast remember what those Html do | 11:08 |
jelkner | since if you can do that in each lesson, you will be in a good position to earn the certification when the time comes | 11:08 |
jelkner | +1 | 11:08 |
jelkner | besides, dcammue, it is *really* about the skill, not the test | 11:09 |
jelkner | but the test does help us develop the theory and language for the skills we are developing | 11:09 |
svaye | Okay Jeff | 11:10 |
jelkner | what we need, svaye and dcammue, is to be able to create websites for customers that they will be willing to pay us for | 11:10 |
jelkner | so that Jetro Web Development can become a viable business | 11:10 |
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dcammue | sure | 11:11 |
jelkner | ok, svaye and dcammue, you two work on creating some "mini experiments" that use concepts from the quiz questions you got wrong | 11:11 |
jelkner | and we will discuss again on saturday | 11:11 |
jelkner | anything else before i talk to other groups? | 11:12 |
scooper | ACTION Jeff next is the python team right??? | 11:12 |
jelkner | yes, scooper | 11:12 |
dcammue | and not just to pay us, but to have the mind-set that they will be in contact for us also | 11:12 |
scooper | great | 11:12 |
dcammue | in-case of any business | 11:12 |
jelkner | yes dcammue, but those are basically the same thing | 11:13 |
Gap | @jelkner when will i join the programminng group | 11:13 |
jelkner | someone needs a website and thinks "Jetro Web Development does a good job, and is great to work with!" | 11:13 |
jelkner | so they their business to Jetro | 11:14 |
jelkner | ok, let me move to the Python group | 11:14 |
jelkner | scooper, do you want to tell me what you've been working on | 11:14 |
jelkner | ? | 11:14 |
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scooper | +1 as a team | 11:14 |
scooper | kindly pull from out python study class repository | 11:15 |
scooper | *our | 11:15 |
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jelkner | scooper, you should always paste a link when you type something like that | 11:16 |
scooper | and cd in to a folder called Summer-Time-W-Jeff | 11:16 |
jelkner | or else i have to go looking for it | 11:16 |
scooper | ok | 11:16 |
scooper | You need to show me how to copy a particular link from a directory | 11:16 |
jelkner | the link will be from the web application | 11:17 |
jelkner | not your local machine | 11:17 |
jelkner | you work on your local machine | 11:17 |
scooper | I only know how to copy a link with a bunches of directories not a single one | 11:17 |
jelkner | but when you push to git.mcssliberia.org it is easily visible from the web interface | 11:18 |
jelkner | so that's your homework then, to practice with that | 11:18 |
jelkner | if you ask some of the other folks in your group, i bet they can figure it out | 11:18 |
scooper | sure I will ask one of them | 11:19 |
jelkner | in the mean time, can you tell me what projects you are working on? | 11:19 |
Gap | jeff am waiting on you to get started | 11:19 |
jelkner | are you using the GASP Python Course like i suggested? | 11:19 |
scooper | from 1-5 | 11:19 |
scooper | +1 | 11:19 |
jelkner | excellent! | 11:19 |
jelkner | 5 is Robots Are Coming! | 11:19 |
jelkner | that is a very challenging project | 11:20 |
jelkner | i just started it with my Summer class | 11:20 |
jelkner | https://ict.gctaa.net/nvccSummer2023/goals/week04.html | 11:20 |
scooper | not that one Jeff | 11:20 |
jelkner | i gave them a mini-quiz | 11:20 |
scooper | I mean from Challenge 1 -5 | 11:20 |
jelkner | oh, which sheet? | 11:20 |
jelkner | each sheet has challenges | 11:20 |
scooper | Hmm sheet two | 11:21 |
scooper | let me confirm it | 11:21 |
jelkner | Gap, do you plan on joining the programming group? | 11:21 |
scooper | Turning the Table | 11:22 |
Gap | yes | 11:22 |
jelkner | yes, that is sheet 2 | 11:22 |
jelkner | you develop a math quiz | 11:22 |
scooper | +1 base on your instruction | 11:23 |
jelkner | Gap, i would ask you to use the same resource the rest of the group is using | 11:23 |
Gap | for the gasp sheet i am on project 5 | 11:23 |
jelkner | http://www.openbookproject.net/pybiblio/gasp/course/index.html | 11:23 |
jelkner | What do you mean "project 5"? | 11:24 |
jelkner | the course materials are arranged in "worksheets" | 11:24 |
Gap | i mean challange 5 sheet 2 | 11:24 |
jelkner | got you | 11:24 |
jelkner | let me look at that challenge | 11:24 |
Gap | should i send my code | 11:25 |
jelkner | no, Gap | 11:25 |
jelkner | they need to teach you how to use git | 11:25 |
jelkner | you commit your changes to your git repository | 11:25 |
jelkner | then you can just paste a link to the code | 11:25 |
jelkner | and eveyone can see it | 11:25 |
jelkner | for example | 11:25 |
jelkner | https://github.com/Singh-Harsidak/summer2023-CSC221/blob/master/sheet3/prettypictures.py | 11:26 |
jelkner | that is the sheet 3 project one of my students at NVCC did | 11:27 |
jelkner | scooper, you can see how i am linking to a particular file | 11:27 |
scooper | +1 | 11:27 |
Gap | jeff i lost my gmail password so i lost my github account because i reset my phone but wasn | 11:27 |
scooper | it take me strange to the file | 11:27 |
Gap | wasn't having backup on ti | 11:27 |
jelkner | Gap, we have our own gitea server! | 11:27 |
jelkner | you don't need to use github | 11:28 |
jelkner | we have git.mcssliberia.org | 11:28 |
Gap | how can i login from the terminal | 11:28 |
jelkner | you need to ask our sys admin team | 11:28 |
jelkner | mulbah and tboimah | 11:28 |
jelkner | they need to be able to handle requests like that | 11:28 |
jelkner | if they can't | 11:29 |
jelkner | they need to ask their mentor, Kevin, to help them learn how | 11:29 |
jelkner | but i think they can | 11:29 |
jelkner | scooper can too, i believe | 11:29 |
jelkner | that would also be a good thing for fkoikoi to know how to do | 11:30 |
jelkner | add users to our git server | 11:30 |
jelkner | jkoleah, what are you planning to do? | 11:30 |
jkoleah | I'm planning to do system administration Jeff | 11:31 |
jelkner | great | 11:31 |
jkoleah | that's my goal | 11:31 |
jelkner | that means you'll be working with mulbah and thomas | 11:32 |
jelkner | kevin is the mentor working with you | 11:32 |
jkoleah | okay | 11:32 |
jelkner | have you met with them yet? | 11:32 |
jkoleah | you mean with the team? | 11:33 |
jkoleah | or with Kevin? | 11:33 |
Gap | jeff still not getting it right | 11:34 |
jelkner | Still not getting what right, Gap? | 11:37 |
jelkner | scooper, i just pushed a solution to challenge 5 | 11:37 |
jelkner | https://git.mcssliberia.org/python-team/PythonStudy/src/branch/main/GASP/Sheet2/mathquiz.py | 11:37 |
Gap | to navigate the shell and log into my github account to send my project | 11:38 |
scooper | +1 I m seeing it | 11:38 |
jelkner | Gap, we are not using Github! | 11:38 |
jelkner | we are using our own server | 11:39 |
jelkner | git.mcssliberia.org | 11:39 |
Gap | ok let me go to it | 11:40 |
jelkner | you will need an account | 11:40 |
scooper | Do you have an account there?? | 11:40 |
jelkner | yes, scooper, of course ;-) | 11:40 |
jelkner | https://git.mcssliberia.org/jelkner | 11:40 |
jkoleah | Jeff | 11:40 |
scooper | not you Jeff, I m asking Gap | 11:40 |
jelkner | LOL | 11:41 |
jelkner | ok, sorry | 11:41 |
jelkner | Jallah | 11:41 |
jkoleah | yeah, you was asking me | 11:41 |
jelkner | i was asking you which of the three study groups you planned to join? | 11:41 |
jelkner | but you answered | 11:42 |
jelkner | sys admin | 11:42 |
jkoleah | yeah | 11:42 |
jelkner | then i asked if you have met with mulbah and thomas yet? | 11:42 |
jelkner | which you didn't answer | 11:42 |
Gap | jeff do you create account for me on that server? | 11:43 |
jelkner | Not me, Gap | 11:43 |
jelkner | We need to grow our power | 11:43 |
scooper | Get to mulbah or thomas my friend | 11:43 |
jelkner | Things need to be done there in Monrovia, not here in Virgina | 11:43 |
jkoleah | yeah Jeff, I've met with them but not about joining the two of them | 11:44 |
jelkner | ok, now you need to do that | 11:44 |
jelkner | you need to arrange a time to meet with them | 11:44 |
Gap | tboimah say he doesn't have internet connection | 11:44 |
jelkner | tell them you want to join with their study | 11:44 |
jelkner | and ask them what they are working on | 11:44 |
jkoleah | okay | 11:45 |
jelkner | ok, python group, with 15 minutes left for me | 11:45 |
jelkner | anything else i can do? | 11:45 |
scooper | +1 | 11:45 |
jelkner | you should look at my solution to challenge 5 in sheet 2 | 11:45 |
jelkner | and study it | 11:45 |
jelkner | we should do this as a "conversation in code" | 11:45 |
jelkner | when you are stuck, you send me a link | 11:46 |
fkoikoi | +1 | 11:46 |
jelkner | i write some code and send it back to you | 11:46 |
scooper | did you found problem in those challenges if +1, please point to it and illustrate how we can solve then in a better way.... | 11:46 |
jelkner | then you study it, and ask me questions on what i did if you don't understand | 11:46 |
jelkner | you didn't send me a link yet, scooper | 11:46 |
jelkner | so what are you talking about? | 11:46 |
jelkner | you should paste a link here in the chat | 11:47 |
jelkner | if you have a question | 11:47 |
scooper | https://git.mcssliberia.org/python-team/PythonStudy.git | 11:47 |
jelkner | that's the whole repo, scooper | 11:48 |
jelkner | which file are you talking about? | 11:48 |
scooper | in a directory called Summer-Time-W-Jeff. Take that for now please... | 11:48 |
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jelkner | scooper, let's learn how to do this | 11:48 |
scooper | it will be done in a better way next time........ | 11:48 |
jelkner | click on that directory in the browser | 11:48 |
scooper | I just did | 11:49 |
jelkner | when you do, the url in your browser will change to this: | 11:49 |
jelkner | https://git.mcssliberia.org/python-team/PythonStudy/src/branch/main/Summer-Time-W-Jeff | 11:49 |
jelkner | i see 4 files | 11:49 |
jelkner | which file do you want me to look at? | 11:49 |
scooper | https://git.mcssliberia.org/python-team/PythonStudy/src/branch/main/Summer-Time-W-Jeff/mathquiz.py | 11:49 |
jelkner | there we go! | 11:50 |
jelkner | thanks | 11:50 |
scooper | thank you too for forcing me to do such | 11:50 |
jelkner | we need to keep refining our process as we get more skilled | 11:51 |
jelkner | fkoikoi, can i ask you a question? | 11:51 |
fkoikoi | sure Jeff | 11:51 |
jelkner | when i look at the link scooper just sent, i see most of the code we need to complete the challenge, but i also see a lot of redundancy | 11:51 |
jelkner | lines 5 to 7 do the same thing as lines 9 to 11 | 11:52 |
jelkner | why do you have that redundancy? | 11:52 |
jelkner | we want the solution to be as clear and understandable as we can make it | 11:52 |
Gap | jeff am doning a assignment, i am enroll in the ALX cohort-18 software engineer program am doing my task that's why i am not following withe the conversation but i'll get back to read what so ever your discuss and ask tboimah to add me to the server | 11:52 |
jelkner | Great, Gap | 11:53 |
jelkner | Please let us know how that goes | 11:54 |
Gap | also can i get your email so i can be added to the zulup chat | 11:54 |
jelkner | i just looked at the website | 11:54 |
jelkner | did you have to pay for access to it? | 11:54 |
Gap | no i was enroll free | 11:55 |
jelkner | great | 11:55 |
fkoikoi | Jeff | 11:55 |
jelkner | what are you learning? | 11:55 |
jelkner | Freena | 11:55 |
Gap | for now we're on git command line and introduction to bash | 11:56 |
jelkner | As our community grows, with more skills and more experience, we will be able to share more resources | 11:56 |
fkoikoi | the reason why there is redundancy is because | 11:56 |
jelkner | excellent, Gap | 11:56 |
jelkner | that's a good sign | 11:56 |
jelkner | that's how i start | 11:56 |
jelkner | let us know how you like it | 11:56 |
jelkner | i'm waiting fkoikoi | 11:57 |
jelkner | because.... | 11:57 |
fkoikoi | a minute Jeff | 11:57 |
jelkner | i only have a few minutes fkoikoi | 11:57 |
jelkner | i need to leave for class | 11:57 |
jelkner | scooper, do you have a few minutes before i leave | 11:58 |
Gap | jeff i would like to work with you to help me with my project | 11:58 |
scooper | +1 | 11:58 |
scooper | Your question to fkoikoi | 11:59 |
jelkner | Gap, i really can't do that kind of individual tutoring | 11:59 |
scooper | is ask why there are too many redundant in the code right?? | 11:59 |
jelkner | i have *so* many things going on | 11:59 |
jelkner | and no time | 11:59 |
jelkner | we need to work in groups | 11:59 |
jelkner | so that we are helping each other | 11:59 |
jelkner | yes, scooper | 11:59 |
jelkner | the point i was trying to make | 12:00 |
scooper | the rundandancy are in the code because the | 12:00 |
jelkner | is that git allows you to change your solution over time | 12:00 |
fkoikoi | The there is a difference in the two code Jeff, challenge 5 to 7 does multiplication while challenge 9 to 11 does addition | 12:00 |
jelkner | so that the old version is kept in the git history | 12:00 |
Gap | can i get your email jeff so i can join the zulup and send you what all we're doing | 12:00 |
jelkner | you make a git commit message like "Finish Challenge 3" | 12:00 |
jelkner | and then if you ever need to see what your code looked like at that time, you look back at that revision | 12:01 |
jelkner | so you can then *change* the code | 12:01 |
jelkner | you don't need to keep the old code in the current file | 12:01 |
jelkner | Gap, i want to be clear | 12:01 |
jelkner | i am trying to help Jetro Web Development develop into a functioning democratice worker cooperative | 12:02 |
jelkner | to both provide rewarding and meaningful career opportunities for its members | 12:03 |
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jelkner | *and* to help the development of Liberia as a country | 12:03 |
Gap | i got you and it's my major aim to be with the team jeff | 12:03 |
Gap | programming | 12:03 |
jelkner | yes please, this is about building the team | 12:03 |
jelkner | fkoikoi, scooper do you understand what i mean about commit history? | 12:04 |
jelkner | i can't show you now, since i need to go | 12:04 |
jelkner | but if it is not clear, i can do a demostration on saturday after our meeting | 12:04 |
scooper | getting your point but we need to read your previous instruction carefully before responding | 12:05 |
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scooper | Because there are lot of interruption in the conversation Jeff | 12:05 |
jelkner | scooper, its best to try to learn to use irc that way | 12:06 |
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jelkner | there can be several conversation going on at once | 12:06 |
jelkner | that's why on my client (hexchat), when i type your nick, scooper, the message shows up in a different color | 12:07 |
scooper | got | 12:07 |
jelkner | that makes it easier to follow threads that pertain to you even when there is a lot of other chatter | 12:07 |
scooper | the point you was making here is that | 12:07 |
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scooper | went every we make a changes to our previous code | 12:08 |
scooper | we should not join the old and the revise code together right? is that point we were speaking from?? | 12:09 |
scooper | I recommend a little domenstration of that as mentioned previously Jeff..... | 12:10 |
scooper | But not now since you need to leave..... | 12:10 |
scooper | Because this will also help us if we are working on future projects as a team.... especially project like the Rural Cooking Stove........ | 12:12 |
scooper | ACTION Drop the Gravel | 12:12 |
jelkner | scooper, i just put together a little demo | 12:13 |
scooper | Thanks | 12:13 |
jelkner | i just made another commit to my mathquiz.py | 12:14 |
scooper | How can I get access of it | 12:14 |
jelkner | https://git.mcssliberia.org/python-team/PythonStudy/src/branch/main/GASP/Sheet2/mathquiz.py | 12:14 |
jelkner | so if you look at that now, it has changed | 12:14 |
jelkner | but if you look at the history | 12:14 |
scooper | this page cann't be found https://www.mathquiz.py/ | 12:15 |
jelkner | https://git.mcssliberia.org/python-team/PythonStudy/commits/branch/main/GASP/Sheet2/mathquiz.py | 12:15 |
scooper | got it | 12:15 |
jelkner | you will see two commits | 12:15 |
jelkner | https://git.mcssliberia.org/python-team/PythonStudy/commit/4119c5e53778783df3d5315c6f49a43243c876e7 | 12:15 |
jelkner | if you click on the previous commit | 12:15 |
jelkner | you see the old version | 12:15 |
jelkner | scooper, i was glad to hear that Gap was being asked to study git | 12:16 |
jelkner | we all need to learn it | 12:16 |
jelkner | git is our *version control system* | 12:16 |
jelkner | we use it to track changes to our code over time | 12:16 |
jelkner | learning to use it effectively will be really important for us | 12:17 |
jelkner | ok, last thing scooper | 12:17 |
jelkner | please don't try to do everything | 12:17 |
jelkner | you and i need to focus on our main task, which is being *project managers* | 12:17 |
jelkner | that means we need to have a "big picture" view of everything that is going on | 12:18 |
jelkner | and need to help coordinate all the different activities of the group | 12:18 |
jelkner | that is your job, scooper | 12:18 |
jelkner | i depend on you for that | 12:18 |
jelkner | it does *not* mean you know how to do everything | 12:18 |
scooper | Jeff I m only interested in learning Python, html, css and a little bit of javascript to the fullest the rest | 12:19 |
jelkner | it *does* mean you know who does know, and you can help coordinate their activity to see that it gets done | 12:19 |
jelkner | great | 12:19 |
scooper | the rest the other team will handle that for us | 12:19 |
jelkner | ok, scooper, i really need your help with the legal aspects of our effort | 12:19 |
jelkner | i have no idea how to form a worker cooperative in Liberia | 12:20 |
jelkner | we need to find that out, soon | 12:20 |
jelkner | like i said, i want my monthly support to come through Secosol | 12:20 |
jelkner | so that Secosol directly is supporting Jetro Web Development | 12:20 |
jelkner | and payment goes from Secosol to the coop | 12:21 |
jelkner | not from jelkner to scooper | 12:21 |
jelkner | i really want that to happen soon | 12:21 |
jelkner | for two reasons: | 12:21 |
jelkner | 1. i can get a tax deduction for my contribution to Secosol | 12:21 |
jelkner | 2. we can look for other funding besides me | 12:22 |
jelkner | including the Kamal Foundataion, btw. so that we can build a school | 12:22 |
jelkner | an ICT focused school | 12:22 |
jelkner | with solar panels and reliable wifi | 12:22 |
sysadmin_ | sweet | 12:23 |
Gap | jeff that's great | 12:23 |
jelkner | ok, i gotta go | 12:23 |
jelkner | see you on thursday at this same time | 12:23 |
fkoikoi_ | okay | 12:23 |
Gap | ok, have a nice day | 12:24 |
sysadmin_ | Thanks Jeff | 12:24 |
jelkner | you too, everyone! | 12:24 |
jelkner | see you thursday | 12:24 |
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