| scooper | !agenda | 11:12 |
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| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 11:12 |
| LittleWebster | Discuss plans for all members regarding study at UoPeople (added by jelkner) | 11:12 |
| jelkner | !agenda | 11:23 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 11:23 |
| LittleWebster | Discuss plans for all members regarding study at UoPeople (added by jelkner) | 11:23 |
| jelkner | Good morning scooper | 11:23 |
| scooper | Good morning Jeff | 11:23 |
| jelkner | I was hoping to see more than one agenda item for today | 11:24 |
| scooper | hmmm | 11:24 |
| jelkner | i really need your help in leading this process, scooper | 11:24 |
| jelkner | without that, we won't succeed | 11:24 |
| scooper | Normally before I put items on the agenda I have to consult you first.... | 11:25 |
| jelkner | no you don't | 11:25 |
| jelkner | let's talk abut that | 11:25 |
| jelkner | about | 11:25 |
| scooper | OK I m listening .... | 11:26 |
| jelkner | while it's true that you and i as partners in this enterprise need to communicate effectively | 11:26 |
| jelkner | i think we will only succeed if leadership becomes more democratic and more distributed | 11:26 |
| jelkner | i am working *real hard* this summer in building capacity on this side of the pound | 11:27 |
| jelkner | pond ;-) | 11:27 |
| jelkner | as the British call it | 11:28 |
| jelkner | but Jetro Web Development needs to develop effectively on its own | 11:28 |
| jelkner | i want to support your effort any way i can | 11:28 |
| jelkner | but if you don't have an independent effort that is on its way to becoming self-sustaining | 11:29 |
| jelkner | we won't be able to succeed | 11:29 |
| scooper | Sure.. | 11:29 |
| jelkner | i get concerned when i don't see motion forward in monrovia | 11:30 |
| jelkner | it makes me nervous | 11:30 |
| jelkner | we have so far to go | 11:31 |
| jelkner | i can be plenty patient | 11:31 |
| jelkner | but when motion stops, i begin to think we will not reach our goal | 11:31 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 11:32 |
| scooper | I understand Jeff | 11:32 |
| scooper | And I feel sense what it take for someone like you to invest in this | 11:32 |
| scooper | especially beginner developer like Jetro Web.... | 11:33 |
| scooper | It mean we should all put in enough effort as a team to make this dream a reality or else we will not go any where | 11:34 |
| scooper | From my observation, if I m right you I talking about the Rural Cooking Stove | 11:34 |
| jelkner | no, i'm not really talking about anything specific | 11:35 |
| scooper | which Jetro Web team didn't contribute significantly | 11:35 |
| jelkner | that's ok | 11:35 |
| scooper | ACTION done | 11:35 |
| jelkner | i'm not concerned about that | 11:35 |
| jelkner | scooper, the truth is that the skills are not there yet for us to be able to expect that a project like that can be completed by Jetro | 11:36 |
| jelkner | so that's not what i'm talking about | 11:36 |
| jelkner | let's revisit what we need | 11:36 |
| jelkner | we need: | 11:36 |
| scooper | Jeff, can you please be specific so we can not our fault. With that we will be able to pick up from there | 11:36 |
| jelkner | 1. html, css, and javascript skills combined with some design (an artistic skill that i don't have) for effective front-end development | 11:37 |
| jelkner | 2. programming and database skills for effective back-end development | 11:37 |
| jelkner | 3. system administration skills for deployment of applications and the maintainance of the machines on which they run | 11:38 |
| jelkner | that's what we need | 11:38 |
| jelkner | all i am asking is that we continue to show progress in these areas | 11:38 |
| jelkner | i know how independence day week is, since i was there last year | 11:39 |
| jelkner | things shut down | 11:39 |
| jelkner | that's fine | 11:39 |
| jelkner | but now we are back | 11:39 |
| jelkner | and there are no plans, no agenda items, and no evidence that Jetro is thinking together about how to get back to work | 11:39 |
| jelkner | that's my concern | 11:40 |
| jelkner | are the three groups taking ownership of their learning process? | 11:40 |
| jelkner | are they thinking - what do i need to learn? how can i learn the skills i need? | 11:41 |
| scooper | It's all my fault Jeff. But the team been visiting the lab throughout the week. | 11:41 |
| jelkner | that's great | 11:41 |
| jelkner | it may be that i am just over reacting because i don't know what is happening | 11:41 |
| jelkner | that happens a lot | 11:41 |
| scooper | the reason I didn't instruct or remind fkoikoi to place an agenda is because of the agenda you placed before leaving.... | 11:42 |
| jelkner | you mean UoPeople? | 11:42 |
| scooper | and secondly you told me that you are busy this week and will meet us on saturday which is today | 11:42 |
| scooper | no | 11:42 |
| scooper | you said that your last week at the summer class will end this week | 11:43 |
| jelkner | yes, scooper, that is all true | 11:43 |
| jelkner | that's what i am saying | 11:43 |
| scooper | and you are busy with review for your students and will not turn up | 11:43 |
| jelkner | when i get busy, nothing would make me happier than to return and find out that you have been moving forward while i am away | 11:43 |
| jelkner | we need to be able to do that | 11:44 |
| jelkner | our goal is to create an organization that can sustain itself over the long term | 11:44 |
| scooper | sorry again but we been working together in the lab | 11:44 |
| jelkner | which means it's success does not depend on a few people, but on many people | 11:44 |
| jelkner | that way, individuals (including eventually you and me) can come and go, but the co-op will still continue | 11:45 |
| jelkner | if we want to make a real impact on the lives of our members and on the economic development of Liberia | 11:45 |
| jelkner | that's what we need | 11:46 |
| jelkner | maybe some specifics will help | 11:46 |
| jelkner | svaye has been very responsible | 11:46 |
| jelkner | when i logged into the CIW curriculum, i can see that she completed the lesson 1 quiz | 11:47 |
| jelkner | and i can see which questions she got wrong and which she got right | 11:47 |
| jelkner | she said she wants to review the questions she got wrong and to try to make mini web pages to develop her hands on skills with the lesson 1 content | 11:48 |
| jelkner | that's good | 11:48 |
| jelkner | but that was several weeks ago | 11:48 |
| jelkner | and i feel now we are moving too slow | 11:48 |
| jelkner | dcamune did not even finish the lesson 1 quiz | 11:49 |
| jelkner | i only see 1 question that he answered | 11:49 |
| jelkner | so i don't know how to help him | 11:49 |
| jelkner | i will be teaching 2 sections of the web design class this year | 11:49 |
| jelkner | i have been working on a calendar for them | 11:49 |
| jelkner | https://ict.gctaa.net/sections/webdev/calendar/ | 11:50 |
| jelkner | i was hoping svaye and dcamune could keep up with that class | 11:50 |
| jelkner | similarly with the python group | 11:51 |
| jelkner | i gave a final exam last week | 11:51 |
| jelkner | https://ict.gctaa.net/nvccSummer2023/goals/resources/CSC221Summer2023FinalExam.pdf | 11:52 |
| jelkner | it would be wonderful if the programming students working with you could follow along | 11:53 |
| jelkner | i wonder how they would do on this exam? | 11:53 |
| jelkner | does this help, scooper? | 11:54 |
| scooper | Alot Jeff | 11:54 |
| scooper | If you can recall I did ask you for excuse regarding the programming team.... This week is our last for this term as UoPeople | 11:55 |
| jelkner | yes, i recall | 11:56 |
| scooper | so I appeal to you that we be consider till our exam can finish | 11:56 |
| jelkner | that's why i added the only agenda item i see on the agenda for today | 11:56 |
| jelkner | !agenda | 11:56 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 11:56 |
| LittleWebster | Discuss plans for all members regarding study at UoPeople (added by jelkner) | 11:56 |
| scooper | because it's really challenging especially for me that is doing Statisitc this term | 11:56 |
| jelkner | we need a strategy, scooper | 11:57 |
| scooper | OK what it's | 11:57 |
| jelkner | i'm not sure | 11:57 |
| jelkner | we need to develop it together! | 11:57 |
| scooper | Ok | 11:57 |
| jelkner | that's what i'm trying to say ;-) | 11:57 |
| jelkner | firstly, think about the broad goa | 11:58 |
| jelkner | goals | 11:58 |
| scooper | But we I still studying programming especially python.. | 11:58 |
| scooper | *are | 11:58 |
| jelkner | ok, that's fine | 11:58 |
| jelkner | the ultimate test of our process will be our ability to do things with the skills we are developing | 11:59 |
| jelkner | to serve customer needs | 11:59 |
| jelkner | that's why projects like Rural Clean Cooking stove are so important | 12:01 |
| jelkner | since if we can't deliver value to customers, we won't have a business | 12:01 |
| jelkner | and we need to practice that a lot! | 12:01 |
| jelkner | but we aren't ready yet | 12:01 |
| jelkner | i understand that | 12:01 |
| jelkner | first, we need to develop our skills in web, programming, and system admin | 12:02 |
| jelkner | that is our product | 12:02 |
| jelkner | our skill in those areas | 12:02 |
| jelkner | which will enable us to build web sites for customers that meet their needs | 12:02 |
| jelkner | anyway, UoPeople is one of the resources we have to help guide our learning | 12:03 |
| jelkner | but it is only one | 12:03 |
| jelkner | we also have the certifications | 12:03 |
| jelkner | CIW for web | 12:04 |
| jelkner | PCEP for Python | 12:04 |
| jelkner | we still need to choose one of Linux system administation | 12:04 |
| jelkner | I believe Kevin is looking into that | 12:04 |
| jelkner | anyway, we need a strategy | 12:05 |
| jelkner | so use these tools effectively | 12:05 |
| jelkner | that's why I put the agenda item that i did for today | 12:05 |
| jelkner | scooper: it will get easier as you gain experience with all this | 12:05 |
| jelkner | then you will be able to provide more leadership in the process | 12:06 |
| jelkner | should everyone be taking classes at UoPeople? | 12:06 |
| jelkner | would it be better for some people to take a term off to focus on a certification? | 12:06 |
| jelkner | we have very limited reasources | 12:06 |
| jelkner | using them wisely is our only hope | 12:07 |
| jelkner | so we need to decide on a learning plan for each of our members | 12:07 |
| jelkner | one they like | 12:07 |
| jelkner | and are willing to work hard to acheive | 12:07 |
| scooper | I can manage that money, everyone can enroll Jeff | 12:07 |
| jelkner | does this make sense? | 12:07 |
| scooper | But we need to ask them for their view Jeff..... | 12:08 |
| jelkner | but should they, scooper? | 12:09 |
| jelkner | yes, we need to ask them their view!!! | 12:09 |
| jelkner | we are working to develop a cooperative | 12:09 |
| jelkner | https://ncbaclusa.coop/resources/7-cooperative-principles/ | 12:11 |
| jelkner | The first principle of a worker cooperative is: | 12:11 |
| jelkner | Voluntary and Open Membership | 12:11 |
| jelkner | The voluntary part here is really important | 12:12 |
| jelkner | we assume all the participants *want* to be doing this | 12:12 |
| jelkner | i don't know if i am effectively communicating | 12:13 |
| scooper | I m following along | 12:13 |
| jelkner | if in a year from now, i can't come to Jetro Web Development and say "I have a small community organization that needs a website" | 12:13 |
| scooper | and also reading from the website | 12:13 |
| jelkner | can you build it for them? | 12:13 |
| jelkner | if you can't say "Yes we can" by next June | 12:14 |
| jelkner | we will not be on the path to success | 12:14 |
| jelkner | so, each of the voluntary members of Jetro Web Development needs to take both personal and collective responsibility for developing our skills | 12:15 |
| jelkner | if we want to succeed | 12:15 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 12:16 |
| scooper | Thanks Jeff all recommendations and measures will be highly put into placed again... | 12:17 |
| scooper | that is the only way we can make this happen...... | 12:17 |
| scooper | \me done | 12:18 |
| scooper | ACTION done | 12:18 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off for a few minutes. Be back by 9 am (1 pm Monrovia time) | 12:33 |
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| scooper | ACTION signs off to use the restroom. Coming back shortly... | 12:38 |
| mulbah | Good morning Jeff | 12:50 |
| jelkner | Good morning mulbah | 12:59 |
| LittleWebster | jelkner : mulbah : scooper : thehedgeh0g | 13:00 |
| LittleWebster | Tick Tock! | 13:00 |
| LittleWebster | It's 13:00 UTC o'clock and NOVA Web Development's meeting is starting. | 13:00 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for today: | 13:00 |
| LittleWebster | Discuss plans for all members regarding study at UoPeople (added by jelkner) | 13:00 |
| LittleWebster | Have a nice day, Websters! | 13:00 |
| fkoikoi | Good Morning Jeff | 13:02 |
| mulbah | Good afternoon fkoikoi | 13:02 |
| jelkner | Good day, fkoikoi | 13:02 |
| jelkner | Hi all, if we're not meeting today, i'm going to sign off and get to work | 13:06 |
| scooper | Before the meeting begin Jeff... | 13:06 |
| scooper | Thomas will not be present today... but for the other folks don't know why they are not here yet..... | 13:07 |
| jelkner | scooper, let's try again next week | 13:07 |
| scooper | no excuse nothing at all | 13:07 |
| jelkner | let folks know that their stipends are contingent on their participation | 13:07 |
| jelkner | let me know when you all are ready to move forward | 13:08 |
| jelkner | i'll be available Monday at 11 am your time, but only if you email asking me to be here | 13:08 |
| jelkner | i'm not going to keep showing up and wasting my time | 13:08 |
| jelkner | have a great rest of your day | 13:08 |
| jelkner | see you soon, i hope | 13:09 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off for the day | 13:09 |
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