| jelkner | !agenda | 20:12 |
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| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 20:12 |
| LittleWebster | The IRC bot RFP. Does NOVA Web actually do work for pay? (added by jelkner) | 20:12 |
| LittleWebster | Project management software exploration report (added by jelkner) | 20:12 |
| LittleWebster | Tech Worker Owners meeting 11/13 @ 4:30 pm (added by jelkner) | 20:12 |
| ved | hui | 20:21 |
| jelkner | hello, anthony_p, ledmer, and ved! | 20:28 |
| ledmer | Hi! | 20:28 |
| jelkner | I need to leave right at 17:00, so let's start on time, and move the meeting | 20:29 |
| jelkner | Thanks for joining Devesh | 20:29 |
| jelkner | will you be able to meet with us on Saturday? | 20:29 |
| klarios | good afternoon all | 20:29 |
| Devesh | Hi everyone | 20:29 |
| anthony_p | hello, good to see everyone | 20:29 |
| anthony_p | how are we doing? | 20:30 |
| jelkner | !startmeeting | 20:30 |
| jelkner | oh, that doesn't work yet ;-) | 20:30 |
| Devesh | What time Saturday, Jeff? | 20:30 |
| jelkner | !agenda | 20:30 |
| LittleWebster | Warning: There are no items on the agenda! | 20:30 |
| ledmer | yes not yet | 20:30 |
| ledmer | but soon | 20:30 |
| jelkner | but the queue did clear | 20:30 |
| jelkner | let me copy and paste | 20:30 |
| jelkner | <LittleWebster> This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 20:31 |
| jelkner | <LittleWebster> The IRC bot RFP. Does NOVA Web actually do work for pay? (added by jelkner) | 20:31 |
| jelkner | <LittleWebster> Project management software exploration report (added by jelkner) | 20:31 |
| jelkner | <LittleWebster> Tech Worker Owners meeting 11/13 @ 4:30 pm (added by jelkner) | 20:31 |
| jelkner | jamesoconnr, great to see you | 20:31 |
| jamesoconnr | Great to be back | 20:31 |
| jelkner | btw, let's make it goal for next week that i am not the only one entering items for the agenda | 20:31 |
| johan_f | +1 | 20:32 |
| jelkner | that will be one way to both measure who is thinking about how to lead us forward, as well as a way to help train us to do that | 20:32 |
| klarios | +1 we should come to consensus and have a brief meeting about what should be in the agenda for the upcoming week | 20:32 |
| ved | +1 | 20:32 |
| klarios | we should do so for all upcoming weeks | 20:32 |
| jelkner | klarios, i think people should just add what they think needs to be discussed | 20:33 |
| jelkner | no need to add yet another meeting | 20:33 |
| jelkner | we have enough to do getting folks to this one | 20:33 |
| klarios | +1 we need to understand whether were on the same page as ewll | 20:33 |
| anthony_p | I get the urge to do so, but having a meeting about a meeting tends to be counterproductive | 20:33 |
| jelkner | +1! | 20:33 |
| jelkner | please, NO meta meetings | 20:34 |
| klarios | +1 I agree, I think having a planning doc would be a good idea | 20:34 |
| klarios | weekly planning doc | 20:34 |
| jelkner | klarios, Decidim!!!!! | 20:34 |
| klarios | Yes decidim! | 20:34 |
| jelkner | please start using it! | 20:34 |
| anthony_p | the meeting itself should be enough to suffice to cover issues, but if we find that there are enough issues to go over/cover on a regular basis, we may want to look at extending meeting times in the future to 45 minutes or an hour | 20:34 |
| jelkner | with the help of johan_f, i have been making baby steps | 20:35 |
| jelkner | we need to do much more of that | 20:35 |
| jelkner | so please do | 20:35 |
| anthony_p | i've been putting in meetings into decidim regularly, for this meeting time slot | 20:35 |
| klarios | +1 we should make a process, I have free time to do so today | 20:35 |
| jelkner | anthony_p, i think now (and johan_f, please correct me if i'm wrong) | 20:36 |
| anthony_p | please feel free to go in there and update the meeding with any planning meetings for the meeting beforehand | 20:36 |
| johan_f | yeah under the meeting time slot we can have the agenda | 20:36 |
| jelkner | a meeting discussion can be a process | 20:36 |
| jelkner | and questions can then be added to it | 20:36 |
| jelkner | https://decidim.novawebdevelopment.org/processes/novavasen/f/48/debates | 20:36 |
| jelkner | debates, rather | 20:36 |
| jelkner | so if you're not sure if an item should go in the agenda | 20:37 |
| jelkner | make it a debate | 20:37 |
| jelkner | and add it only when you let other weigh in | 20:37 |
| jelkner | if there is something you need discussed, however, just add it to the agenda, we're still a small enough group we can do that | 20:38 |
| anthony_p | i do try to have the meetings set up for at least 2 weeks out, feel free to update them as we need | 20:38 |
| jelkner | ok, i'm waiting for NOVA Web to respond with my request for work | 20:38 |
| johan_f | yes we could have a process for meetings specifically but i think it would be more intuitive to have a debate module under the NOVA assembly | 20:38 |
| jelkner | on the irc bot | 20:38 |
| jelkner | it is really important that the dev team: | 20:38 |
| jelkner | 1. figure out how to assign work | 20:38 |
| klarios | jelkner: Yeah I agree, it would be more organized | 20:39 |
| jelkner | 2. assigns it and gets ti done! | 20:39 |
| ved | i did respond | 20:39 |
| jelkner | we need to integrate our activity with the emerging jetro devs too | 20:39 |
| jelkner | my apologies, ved | 20:39 |
| jelkner | i didn't see it | 20:39 |
| jelkner | by email? | 20:40 |
| jelkner | anyway, 10 minutes have passed, and we have 3 items | 20:40 |
| jelkner | so let's move on | 20:40 |
| jelkner | i'll look for the email tomorrow morning | 20:40 |
| jelkner | items two: | 20:40 |
| jelkner | Project management software exploration report (added by jelkner) | 20:41 |
| jelkner | Both my colleague at ACC, Chris Jones, and anthony_p, have been asking for this | 20:41 |
| ved | yes | 20:42 |
| jelkner | i am taking a grad course starting nov. 14 in project management, so i'll have to look into for the course anyway | 20:42 |
| anthony_p | theres the obvious one that comes up first when searching for it, OpenProject, and open source project management software | 20:42 |
| jelkner | so Chris and I are setting up an account to use with our students here: | 20:42 |
| anthony_p | but that's just one option | 20:42 |
| jelkner | https://www.openproject.org/ | 20:42 |
| klarios | yes open project is very avaliable and reliable | 20:42 |
| jelkner | and it's Rails, which aligns with our tech focus for this year | 20:43 |
| anthony_p | that's helpful | 20:43 |
| jelkner | so at this point this is just an FYI | 20:43 |
| ledmer | Ok should we all set up an account? | 20:43 |
| jelkner | i leave that up to you, ledmer | 20:43 |
| jelkner | my only concern is that folks aren't using our Decidim | 20:43 |
| jelkner | if we keep piling on more tech, and not really learning to use it to change the way we interact with the world and each other | 20:44 |
| jelkner | we aren't accomplishing anything | 20:44 |
| anthony_p | there are other options that we should look at first before coming to a final decision | 20:44 |
| jamesoconnr | +1 jelkner | 20:44 |
| klarios | decidim is and could be a really good project management tool. We just need to be more effective at this moment | 20:45 |
| jelkner | +1 | 20:45 |
| anthony_p | but we do need to use these tools to actually make installations and maintenance worthwhile | 20:45 |
| jelkner | Chris and I will be using OpenProject with our students | 20:45 |
| jelkner | so i'll report back on it | 20:45 |
| ledmer | nice | 20:45 |
| ledmer | !agenda | 20:45 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 20:45 |
| LittleWebster | The IRC bot RFP. Does NOVA Web actually do work for pay? (added by jelkner) | 20:45 |
| LittleWebster | Project management software exploration report (added by jelkner) | 20:45 |
| LittleWebster | Tech Worker Owners meeting 11/13 @ 4:30 pm (added by jelkner) | 20:45 |
| jelkner | right now, let's please work with johan_f to learn to use Decidim! | 20:45 |
| jelkner | cool, ledmer | 20:46 |
| jelkner | ok, one more item and i'm done | 20:46 |
| klarios | +1 I agree. If there were options to add more project management features eitehr into decidim or business tracker, we would not need to seek anything else | 20:46 |
| jelkner | anthony_p, klarios are you on top of the tech coop meeting on 11/13? | 20:46 |
| anthony_p | i'm not sure that decidim is really a great option for software project management, a specific tool will be better suited for that, because there's a big difference between the software development process and more general processes | 20:46 |
| klarios | yes, I wll be able to attend | 20:46 |
| anthony_p | yes | 20:46 |
| ledmer | +1 anthony_P | 20:46 |
| jelkner | thank you! | 20:46 |
| klarios | @everyone we are discussing the topic of quarterly projects with the cooperatives. We have to create a presentation revolving around the tech and business aspect of our products. We decided when we will present on December | 20:47 |
| jelkner | we need to share to load on our networking | 20:47 |
| klarios | at the tech worker owner meeting | 20:47 |
| jelkner | so i am relived that i can count on you two to cover that | 20:48 |
| anthony_p | a lot of project management tools for software dev are more likely to have integration with source control like git, which can tie it together and improve it's usability | 20:48 |
| klarios | anthony_p: when should we plan our presentation for the tech worker coops? | 20:49 |
| jelkner | so anthony_p, you, ledmer, jamesoconnr, thomas and gabriel should figure out how you want to manager your dev workflow | 20:49 |
| anthony_p | we should meet using video chat or in person | 20:49 |
| ledmer | sounds good | 20:50 |
| klarios | +1 I will be in person for the month of december and start of january before the spring semester | 20:50 |
| jelkner | and the business folks can be the ones learning Decidim primarily | 20:50 |
| anthony_p | klarios, we should meet about the presentation before or after a meeting in arlington in person, if you can make it, or schedule a video chat | 20:50 |
| jelkner | since we can use it to *decide* what we need to do | 20:50 |
| klarios | anthony_p: lets discuss the meeting details on decidm | 20:51 |
| klarios | as well as brainstroming | 20:51 |
| jelkner | i'll be meeting with ved, ledmer, and Devesh on Saturday at the Library | 20:51 |
| Devesh | What time will that take place? I'm taking the SAT in the morning, so any time after 12 should work. | 20:52 |
| anthony_p | ledmer, jamesoconnr, if we're going to set up a software development process/project management, we should create a room for the topic on zulip and contain it there | 20:52 |
| jelkner | i'll bring up again (and again, and again ;-) my ask for help learning to use Decidim | 20:52 |
| jelkner | since we can't offer support for it until we really know how to use it | 20:52 |
| jelkner | and we don't | 20:52 |
| jelkner | so that is a fundamental part of our coop development | 20:52 |
| jamesoconnr | +1 | 20:53 |
| klarios | +1 | 20:53 |
| anthony_p | +1 | 20:53 |
| jelkner | anything else? | 20:53 |
| jelkner | i have to leave at 17:00 sharp | 20:53 |
| ledmer | ok so should we make a discussion in decidim or what? | 20:53 |
| jelkner | ledmer, we should make lots of discussions in decidim | 20:53 |
| jelkner | don't wait, just do it | 20:54 |
| klarios | I am going to create a meeting discussion for the coop presentation | 20:54 |
| jelkner | i put a link to what i'm doing | 20:54 |
| jelkner | i started two debates for the VASEN luncheon we are planning | 20:54 |
| klarios | if you would like to make a discussion for the project management software that would be favorable | 20:54 |
| jelkner | Where to hold it? | 20:54 |
| jelkner | and | 20:54 |
| klarios | ledmer: | 20:54 |
| jelkner | Who to invite | 20:54 |
| jelkner | on 11/7, Naruti and Eleanor will be meeting with us to plan the event | 20:55 |
| klarios | yes i saw | 20:55 |
| ved | devesh the meeting is from 10-12 | 20:55 |
| ved | so unless we push it you wont be able to make it | 20:55 |
| Devesh | Yeah, I'll be done with the SAT around 11:30 or so | 20:55 |
| jelkner | push it? | 20:55 |
| jelkner | Devesh, ledmer, ved 12 noon to 2 pm? | 20:56 |
| jelkner | i need to leave at 4:30 pm to Fredericksburg | 20:56 |
| anthony_p | actuallyi created a discussion for project management | 20:56 |
| jelkner | and i already have the room reserved | 20:56 |
| johan_f | jelkner I made a blog post about the Budgets module (under NOVA WEB Blog) and how we can use it potentially for the NOVA VASEN luncheon | 20:56 |
| jelkner | ved, let's keep it as is | 20:56 |
| jelkner | and you fill in Devesh afterwards | 20:57 |
| johan_f | check it out when you can: https://decidim.novawebdevelopment.org/assemblies/novaweborg/f/18/posts | 20:57 |
| anthony_p | its under discussions in the NOVA assembly on the decidim | 20:57 |
| jelkner | thanks johan_f! | 20:57 |
| jelkner | ved, ledmer, and i should talk about that on saturday | 20:57 |
| Devesh | I will try to come to the tail end of the meeting if possible. | 20:57 |
| jelkner | It's a block away, Devesh | 20:57 |
| ledmer | nice | 20:58 |
| jelkner | so that might work | 20:58 |
| jelkner | ok, i have to go | 20:58 |
| anthony_p | https://decidim.novawebdevelopment.org/assemblies/novaweborg/f/44/debates/6 | 20:58 |
| Devesh | I am taking it at yorktown, so it is a little farther | 20:58 |
| ved | ok | 20:58 |
| jelkner | ah | 20:58 |
| jelkner | never mind | 20:58 |
| anthony_p | take care @jelkner | 20:58 |
| jelkner | See you all in our Decidim! ;-) | 20:58 |
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| klarios | thank you all for meeting. Have a good day! | 20:58 |
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| ledmer | bye | 20:59 |
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| anthony_p | thanks all! take care! | 20:59 |
| klarios | goodbye! | 20:59 |
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