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| jelkner | anthony_p, so good to virtually see you! | 20:01 |
| klarios | Hello all! | 20:02 |
| jelkner | hello klarios! | 20:02 |
| jelkner | great to see you | 20:02 |
| jelkner | thursday's rock | 20:02 |
| klarios | great to see you as well | 20:02 |
| klarios | Agreed. I saw the book youre publishing. itll be great help | 20:02 |
| jelkner | LOL | 20:03 |
| jelkner | let's see how that goes | 20:03 |
| jelkner | but doing the project that way will definitely help us focus | 20:03 |
| klarios | I think its a great place to start, I will be tined with it | 20:03 |
| jelkner | basically i'm going to ask ved to teach me bookkeeping | 20:03 |
| klarios | hey anthony_p how are you? | 20:03 |
| jelkner | and i'll write what i learn | 20:03 |
| klarios | great jelkner especially if we use all open source material | 20:04 |
| jelkner | of course you know i will klarios | 20:04 |
| jelkner | ;-) | 20:04 |
| jelkner | actually, i have a dream that 5 years from now we can incorporate the bookkeeping we learn into business tracker | 20:04 |
| klarios | in fact that is something i want to bring up at our meeting at 4:30. A software suggestion that could help us all | 20:04 |
| jelkner | once our django skills reach that point | 20:05 |
| anthony_p | hey @jelkner | 20:05 |
| anthony_p | hey klarios | 20:05 |
| klarios | +1 i agree, business tracker would be able to compete if we had book keeping | 20:05 |
| anthony_p | i'm doing okay | 20:05 |
| klarios | hey johan_f ! | 20:05 |
| johan_f | hello klarios | 20:05 |
| jelkner | johan_f, marin and blu are here | 20:05 |
| johan_f | hello anthony_p | 20:06 |
| anthony_p | hey johan_f | 20:06 |
| klarios | great! say hi for them for me jelkner | 20:06 |
| anthony_p | school is starting back up for me next week | 20:06 |
| klarios | to them* | 20:06 |
| klarios | this is my 3rd day of school. I am making sure to keep thursdays as free as ever | 20:07 |
| klarios | anthony_p: do you know what your schedule looks like? | 20:07 |
| klarios | for me its MWF busy until noon and thursday and saturdays are free mostly | 20:08 |
| anthony_p | yeah, busy mondays, two classes on wednesday, and an 11AM class on tuesday and thursday | 20:09 |
| klarios | gotcha. | 20:09 |
| klarios | alright since its time to start we can do some updates and agenda Items we have for decidim | 20:09 |
| anthony_p | plus the internship class that doesn't have regular class time | 20:09 |
| klarios | sounds good, I have other club activities but they dont interfere with NOVA web time/work | 20:10 |
| anthony_p | i was able to get the test decidim server back up, but not by fixing the error, i had to reinstall from scratch | 20:10 |
| klarios | when you reinstalled did the gem dependencies issues still exist? | 20:11 |
| anthony_p | made a backup of the server after the reinstall so that it can just be rebuilt from backup | 20:11 |
| jelkner | anthony_p, are you thinking of coming down next thursday? | 20:11 |
| jelkner | that's the day elenor and nairuti will be attending | 20:12 |
| anthony_p | it'll be my first week of classes so I'd rather see how it plays out first before doing any trips down to arlington | 20:12 |
| jelkner | sounds good | 20:12 |
| johan_f | its good that it is back up | 20:12 |
| jelkner | no need, but i know you like to participate in those planning discussions | 20:12 |
| jelkner | so i wanted to mention it | 20:12 |
| klarios | got it. that's good any changes that happen and it can just be rebuilt | 20:12 |
| anthony_p | there was a different dependency issue with the gems that was a recent thing for doing a fresh install | 20:12 |
| anthony_p | it was related to a change made in a gem that decidim relied on | 20:13 |
| anthony_p | i did older versions of the gems for decidim and that gem in particular in order to get it running | 20:14 |
| klarios | i see. then does the accountability module work let you choose projects after reinstalling? | 20:14 |
| johan_f | Do you remember what version of decidim the test server is running? | 20:15 |
| anthony_p | i need to check back in on that dependent gem to see if it was fixed and if we can upgrade to the latest version | 20:15 |
| klarios | got it. if it persists I guess there has to be a way to report it to them | 20:16 |
| klarios | right? | 20:16 |
| anthony_p | so, decidim is on 0.28.4, ruby is on 3.1.1, and the gem in question is concurrent-ruby which has to be 1.3.4 instead of 1.3.5 | 20:16 |
| klarios | are you upgrading on the test decidim? | 20:17 |
| anthony_p | they are aware of the issue because it's impacted many ruby projects | 20:17 |
| anthony_p | it's not a decidim specific issue | 20:17 |
| klarios | yeah makes sense | 20:17 |
| johan_f | when I try to ssh into the test server it states there is a host key verification error | 20:18 |
| anthony_p | ah, yeah, so we need to put an ssh key in there for you | 20:19 |
| anthony_p | i switched it up to use ssh rather than password for the decidim account | 20:19 |
| johan_f | understood | 20:19 |
| johan_f | will you send it using bitlocker? | 20:19 |
| klarios | also the password in bitwarden is the one on the bottom/ description | 20:19 |
| johan_f | *bitwarden | 20:20 |
| anthony_p | so, if you generate your own ssh key and send me the public key, i can put it in for you and you can use your private key to log in | 20:20 |
| anthony_p | if you need help walking through that we can do so after dealing with other agenda items and after the meeting | 20:20 |
| klarios | I have access as well so I can help as well | 20:20 |
| klarios | alright so next thing I wanted to bring up was accepting a member from the Jetro web team to come to these meetings and formulate plans to use decidim along with us | 20:21 |
| klarios | jelkner: I know you mentioned this to them, any idea on who could join us? | 20:21 |
| anthony_p | +1 | 20:22 |
| klarios | he might not be online lol | 20:23 |
| jelkner | klarios, sorry | 20:23 |
| jelkner | i got distracted | 20:23 |
| klarios | that alright no worries | 20:23 |
| jelkner | with people in the room | 20:23 |
| jelkner | super klarios | 20:23 |
| jelkner | i'm on that | 20:24 |
| jelkner | you see all the emails i send | 20:24 |
| jelkner | this is a process | 20:24 |
| jelkner | Thomas asked me for "3 or 4 tasks" | 20:24 |
| jelkner | i sent him 4 | 20:24 |
| jelkner | as user stories | 20:24 |
| jelkner | the 4th one was Decidim | 20:24 |
| jelkner | since that is the most challenging in terms of what they need to learn | 20:25 |
| jelkner | i'm thinking Thomas or Freena (or better, both) should do it | 20:25 |
| klarios | I want the process to be equal for everyone involved. I cant feel well going into decidim knowing that someone who should be getting the knowledge isnt | 20:25 |
| jelkner | especially since Thomas has a lot of skills | 20:25 |
| jelkner | the could learn from anthony_p within a year how to help him manage Decidim on the server | 20:26 |
| jelkner | we practice transparency klarios | 20:26 |
| jelkner | so everything is open to all | 20:26 |
| jelkner | but what we are weak on now is accoutability | 20:26 |
| klarios | I agree, but I also want to give them the chance to ask questions and rely on us as well | 20:27 |
| jelkner | and for that we need to struggle to get our members to: | 20:27 |
| jelkner | 1. explicitly take on responsibility | 20:27 |
| jelkner | 2. be accountable to all of us to deliver (and communicate effectively when problems arise) | 20:27 |
| jelkner | until we learn to do taht | 20:27 |
| jelkner | that | 20:28 |
| jelkner | we won't be ready to be a business | 20:28 |
| jelkner | in the service industry (which we are in) especially | 20:28 |
| klarios | +1 we can teach each other accountability and responsibility. We really just need him to show up | 20:28 |
| jelkner | ok,let's do it comrade! | 20:28 |
| jelkner | i'm with you | 20:29 |
| klarios | thank you. The sooner he is here, the faster we can all learn | 20:29 |
| klarios | can we expect him next week? | 20:29 |
| jelkner | i don't know | 20:29 |
| jelkner | you see the emails and irc chats | 20:29 |
| jelkner | i meet with jetro often | 20:29 |
| jelkner | and email them more often | 20:30 |
| jelkner | we are moving forward | 20:30 |
| jelkner | but we have a long way to go | 20:30 |
| jelkner | i thought thomas said he would be here today now | 20:30 |
| klarios | its also important to not overextend him or you or us | 20:30 |
| jelkner | but then i asked for the 7 am meeting | 20:30 |
| jelkner | +1! | 20:30 |
| jelkner | i agree klarios | 20:30 |
| jelkner | that's the biggest danger | 20:30 |
| jelkner | if only one person is doing most of the work | 20:31 |
| jelkner | they can't sustain it | 20:31 |
| jelkner | and it is not good for any of us | 20:31 |
| klarios | they should have a rotation system then | 20:31 |
| klarios | 1 week thomas, 1 week freena | 20:31 |
| jelkner | long story short on this klarios | 20:31 |
| jelkner | i am working with isaac zawolo to help jetro get an office | 20:32 |
| jelkner | when they have that | 20:32 |
| jelkner | it will be much easier for them to be reliable | 20:32 |
| jelkner | since some of them will live at the office | 20:32 |
| jelkner | and the infrastructure (generator, wifi router) will be located there | 20:32 |
| jelkner | we can then expect them to be here | 20:33 |
| jelkner | every week | 20:33 |
| klarios | true. a lot of it is out of our control for now, but when it is in control we want at least 1 member of jetro to come to our meetings | 20:33 |
| jelkner | that will be a demand SJC will make for continued support | 20:33 |
| jelkner | since without it, we won't reach our goal | 20:33 |
| jelkner | +1 | 20:33 |
| anthony_p | the lack of a permanent office and regular in person work likely contributes a lot to our accountability issues as well | 20:33 |
| jelkner | i'll refer them to the log of this conversation and reinforce what you just said | 20:34 |
| klarios | anthony_p: true, its hard for people to commit and be accountable through a screen | 20:34 |
| anthony_p | i feel like we could benefit from an always open voice chat channel of some sort to hang out in | 20:35 |
| anthony_p | sorry, that's off topic | 20:35 |
| klarios | thats why I believe the "user stories" can be great for accountability | 20:35 |
| jelkner | not at all anthony_p | 20:35 |
| klarios | once our module in decidim works we need to enforce that | 20:36 |
| jelkner | the only push back i'll give is the voice part | 20:36 |
| jelkner | low tech is best methinks | 20:36 |
| jelkner | irc | 20:36 |
| jelkner | because it is always on | 20:36 |
| jelkner | it's a social engineering question more then a technical one | 20:36 |
| jelkner | we can always spin up a jitsi meet when you want to talk or look at someone | 20:36 |
| klarios | i think its great for the folks in liberia since other techs arent reliable. It can be great for us, that's why I always suggest BBB | 20:37 |
| klarios | ir jitsy | 20:37 |
| klarios | or* | 20:37 |
| jelkner | klarios, it is not great for us because? | 20:37 |
| jelkner | remember, we are required to maintain meeting minutes | 20:37 |
| jelkner | do we? | 20:37 |
| jelkner | no, except *yes* | 20:38 |
| jelkner | because we auto log everything here | 20:38 |
| klarios | voice chat, jitsy, bbb would be great for us IRC is also great but takes away the people aspect | 20:38 |
| klarios | but yes logging everything is also super important | 20:38 |
| klarios | we can record our meetings in jitsy and BBB | 20:38 |
| anthony_p | so, yes and no on the voice thing | 20:38 |
| anthony_p | i'm more suggesting that because it can potentially foster a stronger sense of connection and communication, but i'm not suggesting it should be used for official business or meetings | 20:39 |
| jelkner | then by all means anthony_p | 20:39 |
| klarios | I say we stick to IRC if a member of Jetro is fully committed to stay here, in order to maintain transparency. we will record meetings, do notes, and post them on decidim | 20:39 |
| jelkner | i would love to here that y'all were meeting on jitsi regularly! | 20:40 |
| jelkner | +1 klarios | 20:40 |
| anthony_p | think of the suggestion as more of a way to emulate communications in an office setting, you can chat and talk with folks in the office, keep up and share expertise that isn't necessarily about running the business but about personal growth and stuff like that | 20:40 |
| jelkner | totally anthony_p | 20:41 |
| klarios | yeah totally agree anthony_p | 20:41 |
| klarios | we can just simulate for now though | 20:41 |
| jelkner | i just think that video chat fails to reproduce that | 20:41 |
| jelkner | it's like the "hallway track" at a conference | 20:41 |
| klarios | jelkner: +1 | 20:41 |
| anthony_p | i agree that video chat does fail to reproduce that | 20:41 |
| jelkner | so much happens spontenously | 20:41 |
| klarios | it both succeeds and fails lol | 20:41 |
| anthony_p | that's why i suggested an open audio channel of some sort, video is far more distracting | 20:41 |
| jelkner | you over hear someone saying something as you walk by | 20:41 |
| jelkner | and you stop and say hi | 20:42 |
| jelkner | i found what you said really interesting | 20:42 |
| jelkner | i'm becoming more and more of a Luddite ;-) | 20:42 |
| jelkner | i think we need to meet people in the real world | 20:43 |
| anthony_p | i do to, but we have geographic separation | 20:43 |
| jelkner | yes, so we need to make do | 20:43 |
| jelkner | i agree | 20:43 |
| jelkner | btw, check out this if you have time: | 20:43 |
| jelkner | https://www.techwontsave.us/episode/259_how_to_see_tech_like_a_luddite_w_jathan_sadowski | 20:43 |
| anthony_p | my thoughts are more along the lines of experiences with gaming and social things, where there's just an audio chat room you can drop in and keep up with folks while doing the thing the channel is related to | 20:44 |
| jelkner | i deeply feel the three principles of unity for NOVA Web | 20:44 |
| anthony_p | but not neccessary to be in | 20:44 |
| klarios | like discord basically anthony_p | 20:44 |
| jelkner | and my favorite is "We want to help build the world we want to live in" | 20:44 |
| anthony_p | something like discord | 20:44 |
| anthony_p | but preferable if we could just find a dedicated audio thing | 20:44 |
| jelkner | +1 anthony_p | 20:45 |
| jelkner | mumble or something | 20:45 |
| jelkner | it's so hard | 20:45 |
| anthony_p | yeah, it just makes it easier to keep in touch and hold each other accountable | 20:45 |
| jelkner | the only people with the resources to make that stuff work effectively are the billionaire tech oligarchs | 20:45 |
| klarios | also good for establishing connections. People will be excited to come to work | 20:45 |
| anthony_p | communication while working an issue becomes faster if everyone working it can just drop into a voice channel | 20:45 |
| klarios | ! | 20:45 |
| jelkner | and the distopian nightmare they are creating along with it make me want nothing to do with it | 20:46 |
| klarios | alright we can try to look into it anthony_p if you have any suggestions thatd be great | 20:46 |
| jelkner | perhaps what we meed are local communities we intentionally build | 20:46 |
| jelkner | one in Arlington, one in Blacksburg, one in Baltimore | 20:47 |
| jelkner | that meet here for business, and do periodic "gatherings" to meet up in person | 20:47 |
| klarios | itd be amazing if others from anywhere could join as well | 20:47 |
| anthony_p | i'm seeing a small open source project called Voice Chat Room based on WebRTC | 20:47 |
| anthony_p | and socket.io | 20:48 |
| klarios | ill be right back | 20:48 |
| anthony_p | i do get where you're coming from with wanting to avoid some of these tech trends being used by the industry, but a voice chat room that is independently controlled by us based on open source software is just another small tool that could help facilitate communication within NOVA and potentially Jetro too | 20:50 |
| jelkner | i'm not at all opposed to that anthony_p | 20:51 |
| jelkner | it's just i think we have other more pressing priorities | 20:51 |
| jelkner | i have that nagging feeling that my life is on hold | 20:51 |
| anthony_p | we do, i don't disagree, but accountability is one of them, and improved communication improves accountability | 20:52 |
| jelkner | until we can say we have a viable business | 20:52 |
| jelkner | so once our revenue stream becomes steady | 20:52 |
| jelkner | and we feel confident we'll be staying around for awhile | 20:52 |
| klarios | +1 anthony_p I agree, lets bring it up. I think we should start now regardess of how much money we make, we want to get people to developing good communication habits | 20:52 |
| jelkner | you won't have any difficultly getting me to become interested in making our life together more fun and more personally rewarding | 20:53 |
| klarios | its the world we want to help build | 20:54 |
| anthony_p | we can bring it up in the meeting, and ill do legwork to find us a good open source option | 20:54 |
| jelkner | okie dokie klarios, but as i keep saying, if this business can't survive it's fourth reboot | 20:54 |
| klarios | thank you anthony_p | 20:54 |
| klarios | jelkner: I think we are past the survival point right now. We know we have people who show up, we just have to make sure they keep showing up and delivering | 20:55 |
| jelkner | the world i will want to live in will in a small town in Mexico | 20:55 |
| jelkner | klarios, this is a very important discussion | 20:56 |
| jelkner | we most definitely are *not* beyond the survival point | 20:56 |
| klarios | true. Well were not well off but we gotta give ourselves a bit of vredit | 20:56 |
| jelkner | first principle: We want to make a living, not a killing. | 20:56 |
| anthony_p | we'd be closer to past the survival point if we can get the CPA stuff going | 20:56 |
| jelkner | the 1st 1/2 of that is "we want to make a living" | 20:57 |
| klarios | true | 20:57 |
| jelkner | we are not making a living | 20:57 |
| jelkner | and until we do | 20:57 |
| anthony_p | i think that's our nearest goal within reach and capabilities | 20:57 |
| jelkner | we are not past the "survival point" | 20:57 |
| jelkner | you two are students | 20:57 |
| jelkner | if we can't generate work and revenue, you will have to move on in your life after you graduate | 20:57 |
| jelkner | soon for anthony_p | 20:57 |
| jelkner | i've been through this several times before klarios, you need to understand that | 20:58 |
| anthony_p | i'm a special case, i'm getting paid a disability retirement income | 20:58 |
| anthony_p | i'll survive | 20:58 |
| jelkner | louie, stephan, andrian and natalia ran the coop for two years | 20:58 |
| klarios | yeah that's true. We need to make it work now with the team that is avaliable | 20:58 |
| jelkner | where are they now? | 20:58 |
| jelkner | yes, my good friend | 20:58 |
| jelkner | that is a saving grace | 20:58 |
| anthony_p | but the others in nova are not as fortunate as me and need to make a living when they finish school | 20:59 |
| jelkner | you and i talked about how that may make the 4th reboot actually possible | 20:59 |
| jelkner | but you still want generate some revenue | 20:59 |
| anthony_p | if nova isn't providing, they'll have to move on, you as well kei | 20:59 |
| jelkner | and you can't do this alone in any case | 20:59 |
| jelkner | exactly klarios | 20:59 |
| anthony_p | and the cpa thing is a huge opportunity, and we need to clinch it | 20:59 |
| anthony_p | because it's not just revenue, it's connections | 21:00 |
| jelkner | i thinking about my next blog post | 21:00 |
| jelkner | titled: "Walking on Two Legs: A Business Plan for NOVA Web Development?" | 21:00 |
| klarios | true. lets try our best all! I will too | 21:00 |
| jelkner | i am hoping we can have two equal parts to our business plan | 21:01 |
| jelkner | 1. CPA (the more immediate 1/2) | 21:01 |
| jelkner | 2. Decidim (the more profound 1/2) | 21:01 |
| jelkner | if we could do both those things | 21:02 |
| jelkner | and 1 could really put us in a place to do 2 | 21:02 |
| jelkner | we could have a wonderful business | 21:02 |
| jelkner | but we don't have 1 yet | 21:02 |
| jelkner | and i feel like my life is on hold until i know if we do | 21:02 |
| jelkner | they said they would let us know in january | 21:03 |
| jelkner | i will reach out to them in the beginning of february if we don't hear from them by then | 21:03 |
| klarios | we got to bug them a little. we dont have all the time in the world either | 21:03 |
| klarios | if its situational i understand | 21:04 |
| jelkner | they have a democratic process klarios | 21:04 |
| jelkner | which takes time | 21:04 |
| jelkner | so i don't plan to be a pest | 21:04 |
| jelkner | they said january | 21:04 |
| jelkner | i'll reach out at the beginning of february | 21:05 |
| anthony_p | they still have a week | 21:05 |
| klarios | i see alrighty | 21:05 |
| jelkner | +1 anthony_p | 21:05 |
| anthony_p | if it's democratic, they may not even hold votes until near the end of the month after vetting and discussion | 21:05 |
| klarios | something we want to get to do as well | 21:06 |
| jelkner | so, when can we start using our Decidim to manage tasks? | 21:06 |
| jelkner | that's what i want to know | 21:06 |
| jelkner | i'm ready to start using it as soon as you tell me too | 21:06 |
| jelkner | i ask johan_f about it all the time | 21:07 |
| jelkner | i have plenty of tasks to enter | 21:07 |
| anthony_p | i'm still looking into it | 21:07 |
| anthony_p | i think i'm running into versioning/compatibility issues with the recent concurrent-ruby issue | 21:07 |
| anthony_p | like the plugin not working the same between different versions of decidim, because the version installed is on a soon to be deprecated version of ruby | 21:08 |
| anthony_p | but to upgrade to the latest version of decidim will break it because of a gem dependency | 21:09 |
| anthony_p | which is something i need to figure out how to work around or fix | 21:09 |
| klarios | thats tricky | 21:09 |
| jelkner | anthony_p, as i know you know, large, complex systems like this regularly create problems like this | 21:09 |
| klarios | are you doing this on the test decidim | 21:09 |
| klarios | ? | 21:09 |
| jelkner | which is exactly why we have a business plan around it | 21:09 |
| johan_f | anthony_p do you know why the projects aren't appearing in the accountability module? | 21:09 |
| anthony_p | not yet | 21:10 |
| jelkner | if NOVA Web becomes adept at this | 21:10 |
| jelkner | we can offer support doing that | 21:10 |
| jelkner | i'm thinking this will take us at least a year of dedicated work to do | 21:10 |
| jelkner | and you anthony_p can't be the only one who knows how to do it | 21:11 |
| anthony_p | yep | 21:11 |
| jelkner | if we get the cpa gig, we will start generating some revenue | 21:11 |
| anthony_p | i think we need to get people learning ruby | 21:11 |
| jelkner | indeed | 21:11 |
| anthony_p | i think that would be the strongest base for dealing with decidim | 21:11 |
| klarios | definitely, I will also maybe get into recruiting here see who I come across with | 21:12 |
| klarios | alright Im gonna get the agenda and notes for next meeting. We took a long time here but I dont think we should have a time contraint to these meetings unless we definitely need it | 21:13 |
| klarios | I think 1 hour works great | 21:14 |
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| jelkner | but that is a big investmetn | 21:16 |
| jelkner | it's on my radar | 21:16 |
| jelkner | again, i won't put the time in until i feel the odds of NWD becoming an ongoing concern are higher | 21:16 |
| jelkner | then i'll write a ruby book ;-) | 21:16 |
| jelkner | to teach myself ruby | 21:16 |
| jelkner | i'm commited to that | 21:16 |
| jelkner | when the time comes | 21:16 |
| jelkner | you can count on it if we get there | 21:16 |
| anthony_p | i'm still having a time with it, since i'm trying to learn it through learning decidim | 21:16 |
| anthony_p | i may have to start supplementing with ruby specific training | 21:16 |
| anthony_p | do some learning projects | 21:16 |
| anthony_p | i'm worried i may be missing some contexts that are slowing my bug fixing capabilities | 21:16 |
| anthony_p | well, we should have time constraints because people may plan around the times of the meetings, and that's their personal life and time | 21:16 |
| anthony_p | but i'm all for staying around and chatting about issues if i have the time and others do too | 21:17 |
| anthony_p | but there should definitely be a hard cutoff for people that need to see to other concerns in their life and not made to feel like they need to stay for any reason | 21:17 |
| anthony_p | but it's never bad or incorrect to ask individuals if they have the time or desire to talk after meetings as long as we respect that they can and my say no | 21:19 |
| jelkner | i'm with anthony_p! | 21:20 |
| jelkner | meetings should start on time and end on time | 21:20 |
| jelkner | that is a basic show of respect | 21:21 |
| jelkner | so folks can plan their lives | 21:21 |
| anthony_p | ah, we lost klarios | 21:25 |
| ledmer | !agenda | 21:28 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 21:28 |
| LittleWebster | IRC update - where are we with our ircbot and channel ops? (added by jelkner) | 21:28 |
| LittleWebster | Brief announcement: Ved and Jeff are writing a business book (added by jelkner) | 21:28 |
| jelkner | So good to see you jamesoconnr! | 21:29 |
| anthony_p | hello all | 21:29 |
| jelkner | makes my day ;-) | 21:29 |
| jamesoconnr | Hello! | 21:30 |
| Ved_C | !agenda | 21:30 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 21:30 |
| LittleWebster | IRC update - where are we with our ircbot and channel ops? (added by jelkner) | 21:30 |
| LittleWebster | Brief announcement: Ved and Jeff are writing a business book (added by jelkner) | 21:30 |
| devesh | !agenda | 21:30 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 21:30 |
| LittleWebster | IRC update - where are we with our ircbot and channel ops? (added by jelkner) | 21:30 |
| LittleWebster | Brief announcement: Ved and Jeff are writing a business book (added by jelkner) | 21:30 |
| devesh | Okaye everyone let's get started. | 21:31 |
| devesh | Let's start with the IRC Bot. Any if on that? | 21:31 |
| devesh | info | 21:31 |
| jelkner | that's mind devesh | 21:31 |
| Ved_C | !help | 21:31 |
| LittleWebster | Available commands: !add, !agenda, !help, !remove | 21:31 |
| jelkner | and ledmer is here, so that's good | 21:31 |
| jelkner | but i was hoping tboimah would be here too | 21:32 |
| jelkner | did you see my user stories to Thomas? | 21:32 |
| jelkner | two of them involved irc | 21:32 |
| jelkner | 1. i want the bot deployed | 21:32 |
| jelkner | 2. i want him (tboimah) to become a channel op | 21:32 |
| jelkner | and to help me become a channel op on #jetrowebdev | 21:33 |
| jelkner | i realized we don't have anyone with those skills | 21:33 |
| jelkner | and we need to better understand and be able to control our key infrastructure | 21:33 |
| jelkner | so, unless ledmer has something to say about when this could be deployed | 21:33 |
| jelkner | i'm done | 21:33 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 21:34 |
| ledmer | I wanna begin with the cannel op part | 21:34 |
| ledmer | that is fairly easy | 21:34 |
| ledmer | we just need you the only chanel op to run a command | 21:34 |
| ledmer | I found about it with Mulbah | 21:36 |
| jelkner | so can you update on this next week? | 21:36 |
| ledmer | yeah | 21:36 |
| jelkner | great, so we're done for now | 21:36 |
| Ved_C | Devesh? | 21:36 |
| devesh | It sounds like we can move on to the next point on our agenda. | 21:36 |
| ledmer | I just have to look back on what we did | 21:36 |
| devesh | Ved and Jeff have an annoucement to make. | 21:36 |
| jelkner | ok the other item from me is an announcement | 21:37 |
| jelkner | http://www.openbookproject.net/books/sebookkeeping/ | 21:37 |
| jelkner | it's just a start | 21:38 |
| jelkner | but here is the plan | 21:38 |
| jelkner | Ved_C, jelkner and someone from Jetro web will work on an online OER Bookkeeping book | 21:38 |
| jelkner | we can use that to both learn bookkeeping and share what we learn with the rest of the solidarity economy | 21:39 |
| jelkner | that's all on that | 21:39 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 21:39 |
| devesh | The next item would be choosing the chair for the next meeting. | 21:39 |
| anthony_p | that's great! | 21:39 |
| devesh | Is there anyone that wants to chair next meeting? | 21:39 |
| klarios | hey all. Sorry Im late my computer died | 21:40 |
| ledmer | I can do it next | 21:40 |
| devesh | Sounds good. | 21:40 |
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| devesh | Anything else we want to touch base on this meeting? | 21:40 |
| anthony_p | i plan to look at a dedicated voice channel | 21:41 |
| ledmer | voice channel? | 21:41 |
| anthony_p | i'm going to be looking at different open source voice chat options | 21:41 |
| anthony_p | voic chat | 21:41 |
| ledmer | sounds good | 21:42 |
| anthony_p | i want to maintain an open room that we can just drop into or hang out in for quicker/easier communication while working issues, outside of normal meetings | 21:42 |
| klarios | yeah, we thought of something like discord but open source | 21:42 |
| ledmer | dont we have bbb for that? | 21:43 |
| anthony_p | it wouldn't be for any official meetings or anything like that | 21:43 |
| klarios | ledmer: BBB can be pretty unrealiable at times | 21:43 |
| anthony_p | that's great for arranging video and voice chat meeting events and things like that | 21:43 |
| anthony_p | anyone that's a gamer, i'm thinking more like a mumble server that we can just drop into to chat or take care of tasks together in | 21:44 |
| anthony_p | something easy, lightweight, and quick to connect to | 21:44 |
| jelkner | jitsi is *very* reliable | 21:44 |
| klarios | I think it could be a great way to do the "user stories" approach that jeff mentioned. | 21:44 |
| jelkner | and we have it through our membership in May First | 21:44 |
| jelkner | so we don't need to set anything up | 21:45 |
| jelkner | just use it | 21:45 |
| anthony_p | can you maintain a full open connection to a jitsi setup so that people can just drop in? | 21:45 |
| jelkner | yup | 21:45 |
| klarios | I think so | 21:45 |
| jelkner | yes you can | 21:45 |
| jelkner | as long as a member hosts it | 21:45 |
| jelkner | we are all members | 21:45 |
| jelkner | through the coop | 21:45 |
| ledmer | I could help you guys | 21:46 |
| ledmer | to set up your accounts | 21:46 |
| ledmer | and teach you how to access jitsi | 21:46 |
| anthony_p | if we want to go that way, i've used jitsi, i've never run or moderated a room | 21:46 |
| klarios | also off topic but I wanted to introduce to you all a software brough up by the Peers at the tech network meeting. It can greatly benefit the business dept, its called odoo (its open source/free) Im testing to see if it works and how it works. https://www.odoo.com/ check it out when you can | 21:47 |
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| jelkner | klarios, we looked at odoo | 21:48 |
| klarios | I have jitsy access through nova web as well. I can try to give you access | 21:48 |
| jelkner | we have to be really intentional here | 21:48 |
| jelkner | techies love to play with tech, i get it | 21:48 |
| jelkner | but we will fail | 21:48 |
| jelkner | unless we work smart | 21:48 |
| jelkner | and keep our eyes on the prize | 21:48 |
| jelkner | if we are going to use decidim | 21:48 |
| jelkner | since we want to support decidim | 21:49 |
| jelkner | then we don't need anything else for now | 21:49 |
| anthony_p | i'll need to know where to sign up for the mayfirst stuff | 21:49 |
| jelkner | anthony_p, ledmer offered to help you with that | 21:49 |
| klarios | jelkner: I know, we cant do anything with it now but in the future it could be of use or interest | 21:49 |
| jelkner | please do it off meeting | 21:49 |
| devesh | Is that all for now? | 21:49 |
| ledmer | just gonna share the jitsi link | 21:50 |
| ledmer | https://meet.mayfirst.org/ | 21:50 |
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| devesh | Arlight! That sounds like that's it for this meeting. Have a great afternoon everyone!! | 21:50 |
| jelkner | thank you devesh! | 21:50 |
| klarios | thank you devesh! | 21:51 |
| jelkner | great job chairing your first meeting | 21:51 |
| jelkner | you rock! | 21:51 |
| johan_f | have a good afternoon everyone! | 21:51 |
| ledmer | great meeting | 21:51 |
| klarios | you all as well | 21:51 |
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| anthony_p | thanks for the great meeting! | 21:51 |
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| klarios | jelkner: If its ok I want to call with you soon. Maybe not today but when you are avaliable | 21:51 |
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| jelkner | shmohamud, you'll be here soon, yes? | 21:54 |
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| Ved | hi | 21:54 |
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